/lit/ - Literature

>>15209918
Shill what he has to say

>>15209938
That's the thing, he has nothing to say.

>>15209918
how can I refute nothing???????????????

>>15209918
'Rather' 'like' 'him,' 'myself'.

Whatever you say he’ll reply: stop thinking and btfo you

>>15210150
what a based guy

Everything in spirituality can be refuted by simply being in a higher state, you can autistically argue with mental masturbation but noone really cares ,everyone just wants to be in a higher state then they're currently

>>15209918
How do I stop thinking?

>>15210334
Youve been here how long?

>>15209918
>ignorance is bliss
wow UG such brilliance

>>15210334
Replace thought by memes. React to external stimuli with well-rehearsed standard routines. For example, if you see a DFW thread, post "no discernible talent" or "why did he do it bros" or "this is water hehe".

yeah no shit how do you refute something like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yX_1gJ_51M

>>15209918
Is this guy going to be the new Guenon? He's another "exotic" meme-philosopher being forced by one or two obsessive anons.

>>15209918
You need to take a break from this website UG shiller. I won't lie. You urged me to look up this man, of course the information was met with dissatisfaction .. but alas. I commend you for your efforts. Maybe you've taught me a little about myself. Maybe I'M the one who is here too often. Blessings

literal who?

>>15209918
We are always talking about thought and thinking. What is thought? Have you ever looked at thought, let along controlling thought; let alone manipulating thought; let alone using that thought for achieving something material or otherwise? You cannot look at your thought, because you cannot separate yourself from thought and look at it. There is no thought apart from the knowledge you have about those thoughts -- the definitions you have. So if somebody asks you the question, "what is thought?" any answer you have is the answer that is put in there -- the answers that others have already given.

You have, through combinations and permutations of ideation and mentation about thoughts, created your own thoughts which you call your own. Just as when you mix different colors, you can create thousands of pastel colors, but basically all of them can be reduced to only seven colors that you find in nature. What you think is yours is the combination and permutation of all those thoughts, just the way you have created hundreds and hundreds of pastel colors. You have created your own ideas. That is what you call thinking. When you want to look at thought, what there is is only whatever you know about thought. Otherwise you can't look at thought. There is no thought other than what there is in what you know about thought. That's all that I am saying. So when that is understood the meaninglessness of the whole business of wanting to look at thought comes to an end. What there is is only what you know, the definitions given by others. And out of those definitions, if you are very intelligent and clever enough, you create your own definitions. That's all.

>>15212433
When you look at an object the knowledge you have about that object comes into your head. There is an illusion that thought is something different from objects, but it is you who creates the object. The object may be there, but the knowledge you have about that object is all that you know. Apart from that knowledge and independent of that knowledge, free from that knowledge, you have no way of knowing anything about it. You have no way of directly experiencing anything. The word "directly" does not mean that there is any other way of experiencing things other than the way you are experiencing things now. The knowledge you have about it is all that is there and that is what you are experiencing. Really, you do not know what it is.

In exactly the same way, when you want to know something about thought, or experience thought, it is the same process that is in operation there. There is no inside or outside. What there is is only the operation, the flow of the knowledge. So you cannot actually separate yourself from thought and look at it.

So when such a question is thrown at you, what should happen is [the realization] that none of the answers have any meaning, because all that is acquired and taught. So that movement stops. There is no need for you to answer the question. There is no need for you to know anything about it. All that you know comes to a halt. It has no momentum any more. It slows down, and then it dawns upon you that it is meaninglessness to try to answer that question, because it has no answer at all. The answers that others have given are there. So you have nothing to say on that thing called thought, because all you can say is what you have gathered from other sources. You have no answer of your own

>>15212372
The final boss. The man who ended philosophy and metaphysics.

>>15210334
>>15210370
"Society has put before you the ideal of a 'perfect man'. No matter in which culture you were born, you have scriptural doctrines and traditions handed down to you to tell you how to behave. You are told that through due practice you can even eventually come into the state attained by the sages, saints and saviors of mankind. And so you try to control your behavior, to control your thoughts, to be something unnatural" Read him

There can be only one

Bump

theres nothing to refute in him. he is just stating bare facts that have no intrinsic value in themselves.

the moment you start saying anything about them you start giving value from outside and the thing becomes something else.

his stuff is so radical that it ends up being useless, save perhaps for the fine descriptions he makes of how the organism works. but everyone is so focused on the anti guru shit that no one pays attention to that.

his only valuable work is the cookbook.

I thought he didn't want to be remembered or discussed at all.

>>15212803
I really enjoy this interview the interviewers are befuddled by U.G, but do a good job of keeping up
https://youtube.com/watch?v=NvuhC8IvdSs

Based

nah not the final boss. just a glitch in the game that leads you to turn off the console and stop playing the game at all.

>>15213241
Yes

>>15209956
Pyrrho, Nagarjuna and Wittgenstein already did that before him

>>15213546
U.G destroyed them all

>>15209918
There’s nothing to refute he doesn’t make any claims

http://www.otoons.com/osho/askosho_u.g.krishnamurti.htm

He got BTFO by OSHO several times.
He has no substance other than neuroticism

>>15214001
>Osho mad because U.G removed his followers illusions about conman Osho
Osho is like a mentally handicapped compared to U.G

>>15213724
True

>>15214039
>>15214001
No, but seriously Osho was a funny guy, a superb conman, must have had fun fucking 100s of impressionable western women

>>15214049
a highschooler after his first class of philosophy can say deeper things than this

>>15214067
Filtered. That statement holds more weight than anything your favorite philosopher has ever said

He's very bad at articulating himself and he has a very thick accent. What I've gathered is he's a pretentious turbo nihilist. His diet was apparently nothing but cheese or something insane like that and he said you shouldn't exercise. Fuck this retard.

>>15214536
Filtered

>>15213702
They basically said the same thing as UG though

>>15214866
or rather they didn't

>>15214876
Based

>>15214876
exactly, as W put it
>whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent

UG is just a hardcore quietist

>>15215877
https://youtube.com/watch?v=kOEA54Sqgno

>>15213546
They also all did it in less of a faggy way.

>>15209918
>becomes internationally famous and rich from shitty obvious lies and empty rambling
>make poser philosofags cum over literally nothing
based

>>15213279
>I think therefore I am: but in a diarrhea of words instead of succinctly
woah...

>>15216011
Lol

>>15216001
>>15215981
He really is the GOAT filter. Its always ad-hom, baseless accusations or flat out lies because he hurt your feelings and wrecked your spooks

>>15209918
>”anti guru”
>is a guru
What did poo mean by this?

>>15216083
>he hurt your feelings
how can non-controversial ramblings about nothing hurt my feelings, Jaden Smith?
your hero was a generic poo with, in his own words, nothing to say

>>15216083
Calm down. He’s no Stirner. Poos major crime is being deeply unoriginal.

>>15216090
Filtered
>>15216095
Filtered
>>15216099
Filtered

>>15216118
>Filtered
Cringe and bluepilled poo spammer

>>15216118
>nothing to say
>no argument
FILTERED *covers ears* FILTERED FILTERED *sniff* FILTEEEEEEEEEREEEEED

>>15216133
Being compared to Striner, calling him unoriginal, calling him a guru, calling him generic is laughable. It's not even worth responding to, that is why I said filtered

>>15216144
But he is literally a guru. How is an analytic proposition laughable?

>>15216157
He is not a guru lol

>>15216144
You dodged me when I called him out for his retarded lifestyle advice.

>>15216162
But...he is?

>>15216164
He doesn't give out lifestyle advice

>>15216167
Do you know what a guru is? Study him and his life then come back, he wanted all gurus dead for what they have done to humanity

>>15216162
Dude he has a guru rating page. Burden of proof is on you.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/gururating.org/u-g-krishnamurti/amp/

>>15216178
Yeah I do. And he fits the bill perfectly.

>>15216180
He had nothing to do with that, it's because of his background and friendship in his early life with Jiddu
>>15216187
How so?

>>15216191
He was raised, trained, and followed the paths that a guru would. He can brand himself however he wants but he lived the life of a guru.

>>15216191
Yeah but the page begs to differ. He is a guru with a rating. Obviously there’s a reason why.

>>15216195
>He was raised, trained, and followed the paths that a guru would.
In his early life he forced into the thesophical society, which he left and repudiated his entire past post his calamity on his 49th year
>he lived like a guru
Incorrect, he lived like a vagabond and lived smartly, luckily people came in his life and he made it work. He didn't stay at place more than 6 months.

>>15216206
Sounds like a guru to me.

>>15216199
Well you're wrong please show me where he claims he's a guru and that he's selling you anything, Goodluck with that

>>15209918
The anon who recommend this guy was amazing. This pajeet is the ultimate black pill.

>>15216211
Not all gurus try to sell you something. That’s rude.

>>15216210
Well I assure you, you're wrong you don't know anything about him, or the Indian tradition which he constantly shitted on lol

>>15216211
You don’t have to claim to be a guru to be a guru, though, for my money, claiming your an anti guru sure does sound like an easy way to land oneself in the position of a guru.

>>15216216
Then you can't be a guru, then there is no point of justification of such a thing lol

>>15216226
Again, what is he selling you? What technique? What tradition? If he's a guru to you then everyone's a guru

>>15216219
I know a bit about him actually, but as a rule of thumb I don’t read extensively into gurus.

>>15216232
>>15216210
Here you go
https://youtube.com/watch?v=sQ3eMqrMA1A

>>15216230
He’s selling anti guru. The technique is negation, inversion, and baseness. The tradition is that cultivated by the Theosophical society as well as other networks of gurus.

>>15216237
Yeah I’ve heard this before.

>>15216241
He's not selling anything, he profited from nothing, he was more or less penniless and a vagabond, no abode for large periods of his life.
>The tradition is that cultivated by the Theosophical society as well as other networks of gurus.
Incorrect and there's no comparison. U.G warns of such people, he was brought up in the traditions native to India and got out. Believe what you want

>>15216248
There's no plausible justification to call him a guru other than you being a contrarian or just being argumentative. He made no efforts at garnering any kind of status past the whole theosophical stuff which he was born into

>>15212433
woah

>>15216260
selling =/= making money. Obviously if we still discuss him today, he sold us something. And he seems pretty well kept and well advertised for someone penniless, in vagabondry, and homeless.
You can’t dismiss biography and genealogy as incorrect. The record stands.

>>15216272
There is a plausible justification, namely that he is a guru.

https://youtu.be/sx8f76kuGAY

this video always makes me happy. The people he's scolding are so dumb lmao.

>>15216278
He sold you nothing, what did he sell humanity? Is a gigantic blackpill something you find palatable? He would leave you no where. He made no motions at making a name for himself, sounds unbelievable right? Those books written were written by friends of his which he rejected copyright of and profits. Those YouTube videos? Recorded by a super close friend of his, she would just turn on the camera unbeknownst to U.G most of the time. Calling him a guru is disgusting and a totally misunderstanding.

>>15216286
And I've already btfo that absurd claim. He wanted all gurus/ saviors if mankind off the earth for promising heaven while selling you shoddy goods. Sounds like a guru! Lol

>>15216298
Apparently a "guru" tells people who visit him to fuck off and that he has nothing to sell or give lmao

>>15216274
What about what he said makes you say "woah"?

>>15216309
> He sold you nothing
Exactly. Just as the Maharishi sold Transcendental Meditation, monetary stuff aside.

>What did he sell humanity?
Like we’ve both agreed, nothing.

>Is a gigantic blackpill something you find palatable?
I don’t find that analogy to be useful, especially in the context of Krishnamirti who would disavow any pills.

>>15216320
How have you btfo’d that? So far all I see is you repeating the claims of a guru as a means of disproving the guru.

>>15216331
That’s one possibility, sure. Also he didn’t tell everyone to fuck off, obviously.

>>15216334
The part where he says nothing

To the dude I’ve been trolling all night, I just want you to know I too fell down the UGK toward the end of undergrad (read Mind as Myth, a chunk of the little book of questions or whatever the fuck the godawful one with his face on the cover is called and of course all the btfo interviews on youtube) and learned a lot and have only been halfheartedly fucking with you, but on a real note I hope you actually heed the dude’s teachings and interrogate everything, including his own teachings, so you can get over this bumbling fanboyism. You don’t even have the details down yet and you’re in here defending him like he’s your mom. Get your shit together and stop making posts about a dude who would bitchslap you out of existence if he knew you were doing that. Gotta go to bed though honey goodnight sleep tight.

>>15216408
Goodnight pal :)

>>15212864
Listened to the first half hour of this. Does UG just need to start with the Greeks?

>>15216701
He did that, he studied Western and Eastern philsophy.The Greeks need to read U.G mate ;)

>>15214536
>shouldn't exercise
where does he say this please lmao

>>15216743
Not him but he didnt exercise, or eat health foods, or vitamins, never went to a dentist, or doctor