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leibiniz retroactively refuted guenon

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>>15189935
I converted to Islam, then a few years later I read guenon and joined a sufi order. Then a few years later I left Islam because the things he says still don't eliminate all the mental gymnastics you need to do in order to believe in Islam. I don't believe all paths lead to God or any of that. Once you have a deep knowledge of a tradition, believing this kind of modernist theory becomes less tenable

>>15189935
yes... brothers... i was initiated in the based tradition of healing crystals

>>15190218
forgot pic

Reminder that advaita is cryptobuddhism

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>>15190860
I answered your question, no response

>>15189935
hahaha it's the Guenon (pbuh) guy based based based based eat shit cringe hyllics cringe cringe cringe your worthless existence had been retroactively refuted before your birth by Guenon (pbuh) (pbuh) (pbuh) (pbuh) based based based based brothers

>>15190032
What religion are you most interested in right now?

>>15189935
i didn't find any

>>15189935
I will most likely be initiated into Hinduism during the next opportunity I have to travel to India

>>15192221
Some hindu schools are interesting but I don't hold much hope of finding anything there either. I have been to India and there is a lot of dodgy stuff there.

>>15192324
yeah, I guess you could say poopy stuff

>>15192337
I mean you can get involved in a cult and abused by a guru if you go there with some airy fairy notions of getting initiated and don't really know what you're getting yourself into.

>>15192221
Also, I've read basically 'everything'. Christian mysticism, kabbalah, sufi texts, buddhist and hindu philosophy and meditation manuals, taoist, zen, and the different forms of western esotericism and ancient greek philosophy. I've read nearly 2000 books in this area.

>>15192452
>Christian mysticism, kabbalah, sufi texts, buddhist and hindu philosophy and meditation manuals, taoist, zen, and the different forms of western esotericism and ancient greek philosophy. I've read nearly 2000 books in this area.
lmao. and you're still basically a bugman who does not know truth?

>>15192452
based, what is your most profound insight?

>>15192477
I know you are a christcuck who should kys

>>15192480
reading doesn't lead to the truth

>>15192498
and what brings me to te truth?

>>15190232
would be funny if those werevarious brands of candy wrappers

>>15190032
what made you a muslim to begin with? and what "mental gymnastics" made you leave the religion?

>>15192290
don't you have to spend minimum 3 years shitting on the street before the guru accepts you?

>>15192557
You have to find some kind of teaching that shows you 'the way' and some one who has already walked the path who can help you.

>>15192592
As I learnt more about it, it became more and more difficult to believe Mohammad really knew what he was talking about or that the Qur'an was from God. There are a lot of things he said that should make people doubt him.

>>15192557

Regular meditation, to be desu.

Raja yoga, Magick, Gnosticism, and also psychedelics for some can also do the

>>15192452
have you tried anything or just autistically went through the words?

>>15192618
>become a larping faggot hippie
No

Why should I? Basically all religions shit on dogma and ritual in their core texts. Tradition is dross.

>>15192618
there's no such thing as regular meditation, there are compendiums of people autistically arguing over every single technical detail of which meditation leads to deliverance and which fills you with literal demons that will eat your soul

>>15192619
>have you tried anything
Yes

>>15192635
while a society where the president literally tells you to drink bleach and that took 3 months to scientifically decide that maybe masks could help during a respiratory tract virus pandemic are much better

>>15192636
Keeping your mind fixed on an object won't make you get possessed by demons you terrified little christ cuck

>>15192645
did you cum?

>>15192660
nah

>>15192652
it will just fill your head with raising Qi and destroy your sleep and vitality, dragon sickness is a thing, and that's just 1 of the possible issues that you will just ignore cause you are just a retarded californian of the soul

>>15192665
what's the point then?

>>15192670
ok chink

>>15192670
>dragon sickness

Yeah in the lord of the rings

>>15192649
Not sure where you're going with this. Transcendental truths aren't about building nation states, which are invariably satanic/unaligned with the Dao/of Asuras projects.

I miss the ocean of bliss beyond the world experience , we are trapped in this meatcage
Many we severely depressed after experiencing such massive difference in states of being

>>15192623

Meditation exists in every cilture and religion buddy, its all a matter of aesthetics in the ens

>>15192636

Regular as in made regularly and diligently

>>15192652
>claims to know about Christian mysticism
>doesn't know Christians Meditate
my larpagan radar is going off

>>15192903
Have you even read any christian mystics? they were deluded as fuck. So obviously their 'meditation' wasn't anything good.

>>15192498
>reading doesn't lead to the truth
Dios mio
Anon u wasted all that time on 2000 books where u could have just read 50-100 spent the time meditating,living life

I just skipped all theory bullshit went for practical occult/meditation/contemplation

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>>15192709
>it's not real cause chinks are retarded at naming things
it's still real, meditation is not about rainbows and unicorns

>>15189935
I toy with the theory of there indeed being something like a Jungian collective unconsciousness (which you could also compare with Plato’s realm of the forms/archetypes), thought transference, etc. So different religions build up and/or draw from reservoirs of images, archetypes, visions, symbolism, etc. (creating what some have called ‘egregores’, maybe). Some devoted mystics then tap into this realm by sheer force of self-discipline and devotion. This is why Sufi saints get Sufi visions, Christian saints get Christian visions, Tibetan Buddhist Vajrayana meditators get Vajrayana visions, etc. If I get enough funding, I may test this in a lab. not really

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>>15192613
>There are a lot of things he said that should make people doubt him
Explain with some examples please

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>>15189935
yes

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>>15190860
See how little interest there is for three or four of these?
Keep it in one

I almost converted to Islam once but the issues with Islam was too much for me to make the plunge.

i converted to islam but then i left

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>>15196125
fuck off spamming retard

why don't you understand making five of these threads makes people hate guenon

>>15189935
I became a follower of the Tradition of Gaudiya Vaishnavism after reading Teachings Of Lord Kapila when I was 13.
Guenon is lame and not even a primary source.
You might as well have become Buddhist from reading Kerouac you loser.

>>15192452
I bet you haven't progressed to reading the puranic literature, Ramayana or the western equivalent epics.
I must suggest this. People praise Upanishads or Buddhist Tripitaka et c, but in my 25 years in this, going through all the stuff you did, it's Puranas that give you the real deal. Reading itself is a process which changes you, cultivates you.
Reading these feels sometimes like just wasting your time on crazy ancient myths, but the truth is that the crazy ancient myths carry truths that the technical philosophical sutras are just nibbling around the edges of.
Especially considering an average purana is around 2k pages if there's no commentary with it.
It is deep immersion. It colors your subconscious processes and dreams. That is massively more effective than cogitation.

>>15189935
islam

>>15197858
do you ever worry that maybe you’re turning into a schizo?

>>15194766
A lot of times he hears something Jews do and says hey we should do that too! He didn't seem to know the difference between folktales and the contents of the Bible so everything just ends up in the Quran.

Then there are the convenient revelations where he gets permission to have sex with and sometimes kill whoever he wanted at the time.

>>15197858
Yes you are right, I mostly read Vedanta, samkhya and yoga stuff. It's a good suggestion, I'll start reading the puranas.

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>>15199632
What do you want to know ?? Ask questions rather than just bumping

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>>15200199
I want more guenonists to respond to this thread.

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>>15202139
the only meme-traditions left are islam or orthodox christianity, and if you aren't an arab or a rusky you'll never be able to access them, it's over for westerners

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>>15199113
More evidence. No one is interested.
Go enjoy your meme theologian, but stop spamming it here.

>>15203359
shut up and start reading actual books

>>15203347
>it's over for westerners
Why? There is a Catholicism and Freemasonery.

>>15203412
Been reading this one lately.

Also why can't European and American Guenonists join Orthodoxy?

>>15189935

Yes, I returned to Christ, but only after I repented from Guénonianism and recognized the subversive and new-age nature of perennialism.

>>15203438
https://galkovsky.livejournal.com/46189.html

>>15203447
Because they are cringe and Christ is the only path. Drop Guénonianism and you're more than welcome.

>>15203476
You're an Orthodox Christian?

>>15203677
Yes.

>>15189935
why the retarded tranny jannies keep deleting nonduality posts under(fanfiction)offtopic , fucking illiterate mongoloids

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>>15203476
>muh jewish man from 2000 years ago is the only path

>>15203937
Yeah. It should be for Spam

>>15207101
but keep the 90% of shitposts, christcuckery alive?hmmmmmmmmmm

>>15203433
doesn't work unless you work hitting rocks with a hammer

>>15207216
I obviously don't like them doing it either
If you were genuine, you'd keep it to one thread

>>15203433
both of those are purely theoretical and dont lead anywhere, especially catholicism

Best place to start with Guenon?

>>15192452
Can you tell me, How does one become like a child and return to their mothers womb, and attain the kingdom of heaven?

>>15207427
Introduction to the study of the Hindu Doctrines

>>15198301
Bibek Debroy has written unabridged translations for the Ramayana, Mahabharata, Bhagavata Purana, and Markandeya Purana, and they're all really good.
>>15189935
I've been reading stuff here and there from every tradition, but for some reason I find Taoism particularly alluring on a level that's not merely intellectual.

>>15189935
Too be honest. I consider Philosophy a form of Religion. Pythagoras, Socrates, Plato & Plotinus all saw Philosophy as a religion with the goal of purifying the Soul. And Phil was corrupted by modernist enlightenment "philosophers"

And Philosophy is an inherently Perennialist religion too, you can study the metaphysics of all the worlds religions and come to your own conclusion

>>15207403
>dont lead anywhere
Freemasonry leads you right into hell though

>>15197858
based. I am learning Latin and Greek to read the epics in their original language. People think that only discursive knowledge can affect their mind, but it is the pure intuited knowledge facilitated by these epics that change people.

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>>15207993
Freemasonry leads you to do made up rituals with a bunch of old white guys.

>>15209075
and the nature of the rituals is demonic and cringe.

>>15209752
The nature of the rituals is just nothing. They do nothing.

How would Guenon (pbuh) refute existentialism?

>>15208194
This guy gets it

>>15207473
Here's a reasonably good translation of Devi-Bhagavata Purana, not as good as a Debroy trans but at least it exists:
>The Srimad Devi Bhagavatam (Devi Bhagavata Purana)
https://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=F95E6E95B5CFF9C7BF6931BBA00F1ABD

There's a good Vishnu Purana on there too.
Debroy's are usually the best quality ofc.

I'm a third through Debroy's Ramayana atm, massively better than the 19th century translation I read before.

guenon piss be upon him

>>15211249
Why is Debroy such high quality? I remember setting out to read his Mahabharata when I was younger and full of piss and vinegar and doing a bunch of research into why it was the best option, but now I forget.

Also, what exactly is the nature of the Puranas? I know they're all fairly late, or at least we can't prove they're older than many centuries into AD.

>>15203347
You can gain plenty from Islam or Orthodoxy if you join it. Neither are as race centric as people make them out to be. In the case of Orthodoxy especially Orthodox leaders have been very critical of local churches that just act as ethnic clubs.

>>15203433
Is Freemasonry or any of the other secret societies even worth doing anymore? Doesn't really seem like most modern Freemasons take the spiritual elements of it seriously.

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>>15190244
Buddhism wasn't even Buddhism after a few centuries.

>>15212302
Based

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rude

>>15212334
Debroy is just good at english and does good footnotes. Try out that Srimad Devi-Bhagavatam to see what I mean. That one is very pajeet-speak.
Puranas are collections of history, legend, philosophy. They're dated so late because that's when they were put to writing. Puranas are also Vedic, they are not Tantric.
They are famously layered in Symbolism.
That's just it, though, even if you accept a Christian Era dating, they are still great, older isn't always better.
Ramayana is a truly ancient epic, and is very good, but doesn't hold a candle to Markandeya or Bhagavata Purana.

>>15212334
Purana translates literally to "Ancient".