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Why were all of the cool Catholic writers anarchists? Ellul, Chesterton, Tolkien, etc.

>>15206126
The Little Red Book at least makes you pumped up for revolutionary change though

>>15206186
>Chesterton
>anarchist

>>15206186
Was Ellul catholic? He was pretty harsh on church politics in anarchy and christianity

>>15206224
Exactly. It makes me angry.

>>15206099
Looking forward to reading this, and Teddy K. Been reading about ecology and urbanism, and the shift to reading about technology is going to be a natural one I think.

>>15206229

The man hated the government.

>Christianity recognizes the State, because Christianity recognizes death and the most hideous facts of existence.

>There are certain sayings which for the last 100 years or so have not been considered respectable, because they were religious...One of those statements is this: "The Family comes first; it comes before the State; its authority and necessity are anterior to those of the State."

>The frightful punishment of mere sex emancipation is not anarchy but bureaucracy....The total control of human life will pass to the State; and it will be a very Totalitarian State.

etc.

>>15206230
Ellul was a protestant.

>>15206230

He was something of a Christian tout court. In that sense, he was catholic, in the universal meaning of the term.

>>15206254
Be sure to read Ellul’s book on propaganda as well, but really all of his stuff is great. I think he’s best after going through some Uncle Ted first, who basically openly admits that he is very much in debt to him and wrote ISAIF as essentially a layman’s version of The Technological Society. ISAIF was pretty much Ellul-lite in my mind, and it was nice to have a basic familiarity with the ideas to be found in Ellul’s work from Ted when going through what is definitely a denser, thicker and more complex work.

>>15206259
That doesn't make him an anarchist.

>>15206293
He’s literally an anarchist though

A love-letter to anarchism

>>15206186
Chesterton and Tolkien were absolutely not anarchists, and Ellul was a Protestant

>>15206310
I thought that was The Conquest of Bread for a moment from the thumbnail and was about to bully you

>>15206310
More like a hit-piece on anarchism>>15206311

>>15206311
>Tolkien were absolutely not anarchists

>>15206099
Ellul is epochal. Such a cool dude.
effay as fuck, too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwL0BJek2bc

>>15206288
thanks for the suggestion. i'll read tk first.

>>15206299
Chesterton supported private ownership and he believed that it was essential to a healthy economy. Most of the theories of socialism and anarchism reject private ownership.
He believed that that hierarchical system was the ideal order. Anarchists tend to reject hierarchies in favor of a democratic or flat system of government.
He emphasized the need for a moral code in our economy. The anarchist view is not without moral principles, but tends to reject morality imposed by institutions such as religions. Chesterton believed that religious values were important to society. He believed that individuals needed to develop moral discipline, that is more robust than what anarchism advocates.
Most political systems are motivated by the desire for liberty or equality. Chesterton believed that while both motivations are admirable, neither should be the foundation of the economy: liberty and equality represent values that are externalized and separated, when they should be internalized and synthesized.

>>15206310
Gebaseert en gist-pilled

>>15206288
How did Ellul define and explain the phenomenon which Ted called "surrogate activities?" It sounds like an ass pull on Ted's part.

Would the world be better if we only allowed the internet to be used for the development, publication, and transmission of religious, literary and scientific texts?

>>15206324
Tolkien and Hoppe might have been friends had they met each other.

>>15207019

I like to think so.

>>15206324
>Posts a smarmy cappy emoji meme

His book Propaganda was even better / more depressing.

>>15207019
The Tom Wolfe BotV books being on opposite shelves always unsettles me.

>>15206343
not all anarchism has to be socialist or anti-religion.

If a Japanese person created shinto-anarchism then they could still be an anarchist even if it's not some russian marxist's definition of anarchism

>>15206099
Simulacra and Simulation

>>15206293
Anarchism doesn't always mean starbucks sipping tranny