/lit/ - Literature

>>15197345
Fiction or non-fiction?
Ta-Nehisi Coates is the finest non-fiction writer in this generation. I haven't read his fiction, though.

>>15197367
Isn't he the one who want us to pay reparations? If we were ever stupid enough to do that there would be a long, long, line of wronged minority groups waiting for their payout.

>>15197345
Machado de Assis

>>15197397
Reparations would've been the right thing to do if we actually went through with them during reconstruction but now it's just too bloated.

>>15197397
>paying reparations when your family lineage had nothing to do with slavery.

They better have proof before asking for handouts.

ones that don't write about race

>>15197428
Living in the US = benefiting from the free labor of African slaves

>>15197428
I think it'd be fair to tax people that are still wealthy because of their ancestor's usage of slaves but if someone had a distant ancestor who was a slave owner while they're now on welfare it just wouldn't make sense. And it shouldn't be all black people getting reparations, just the ones whose ancestors were slaves in America. And then what do we do about things like this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptSZnTtGCQA
Would HE get reparations? That just wouldn't make sense.

>>15197447
Well I'm spic, so good luck getting me to pay.

How quickly /lit/ has forgotten! For shame!

>>15197397
Did you actually read his essay on it?
Why don't you read it and then get back to us.

>>15197447
no it doesnt you retard they did fuck all

>>15197522
If you live in the south it does. Their entire economy was based on slavery pre-civil war.

>>15197545
the economy of the south in 1850 was probably like a billion dollars in total, it's literally completely irrelevant

>>15197575
And that billion dollars is the foundation of any potential wealth gained by the south, regardless of what industry it was in

>>15197345
Machado de Assis for certain.

Maybe Ralph Ellison, Zora Neale Hurston, Jean Toomer, Claude McKay, Ngugi wa Thiong'o, Jay Wright, Will Alexander, Chelsea Achebe, Ben Okri, Christopher Okigbo, Werewere Liking

>>15197583
no it's not. The population went up by over 10 fold and those people entered into industry and they are the ones that created the wealth of the nation through capitalist industry

>>15197345
Mammy!

Ralph Ellison is certified /lit/core. Invisible Man redpilled me about race relations in the US.

>>15197345
Machado de Assis.

Then find yourself some other Latin-American ones (such as Lima Barreto and Cruz e Souza), then some real Africans. Derek Walcott is quite good, too.

Avoid the Americans.

>>15197626
is he a race realist or something?

Malcolm X's Autobiography (which is really written by Alex Haley) is good.

I hear chester himes wrote some great hardboiled detective novels.

>>15197345
"Rene Guenon" was actually a Black Senegalese man named Rakongo Gongo, who traveled to France from the French colony in Senegal and learned French and then acquired a French citizenship, western whytebois couldn't handle the pain of his deconstruction of western kkkulture and invented the lie that he was a pastey whyteboi

>>15197345
Thomas Sowell is a contender if you're interested in economics and conservatism.

>>15197660
No. Ellison's book is about how the various tribes and types of white people in the USA don't actually care about black people at all, but merely use them to advance preexisting agendas. The title, "Invisible Man," refers to the fact that, according to the narrator (who is never named), none of the white people in the story ever actually "sees" him, they merely see a blank canvas onto which they can project their ideas, their plans, and their schemes.

It's the same today. No white people actually care about black people in America, whether they're liberal white people, conservative white people, or any other kind of white people. Black people are just a prop used by both sides to advance competing agendas. The actual concerns of black people are never taken seriously by any white people, no matter what they claim their politics are.

>>15197600
You can't deny that southern slave owners were massively wealthy. And wealth has this funny way of snowballing. Haven't you ever received a small loan of a million dollars, pleb?

"Omeros" by Derek Walcott is probably the greatest English-language epic poem of the past century. The title is a romanization of "Homer." Btw, I don't consider Wordsworth, Whitman, Crane, or Eliot to have written epics, as they simply wrote long poems centered around themselves. Omeros is a true epic, and regardless ranks among those four in terms of aesthetic achievement. I highly recommend it.

>>15197732
Give a white liberal some advice on how to change this.
Or maybe you think we can't because we are a lost cause.

I don't get why anybody would ask a board full of neonazis about black literature. Nigga are you tarded. Shit maybe I'm tarded because this is those baiting threads so people come in and shit on black people

>>15197345
James Baldwin and Colson Whitehead are truly fantastic.

>>15197367
Chatterton-Williams is a significantly better writer.

>>15197345
Franz Fanon

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_House_of_Hunger
Recently read this from an African author. Was recommended by a friend. It's a short read but pretty good. It's basically about the struggles of a black schizoid and he namedrops a lot of literature. Author was legitimately crazy there's a documentary on YouTube somewhere.

>>15197397

I agree with reparations. The black population in the USA *should* pay for the privilege of a) being freed and b) not being wiped out. But they're incapable of wealth generation so the subject is irrelevant.

>>15197447
>>15197545
>>15197734
Slavery actually hurt the southern economy more than it helped and by the time of civil war cotton was at an all time low

>>15197345
Jesse Lee Peterson

>>15197732
Hahahaha oh my God how fucking narcissistic niggers are! This is how everyone views everyone! I don't give two shits about other people simply because we share the same colour.

Things Fall Apart is actually redpilled on gender relations and tracks the descent of the tribe from being based harem owners to cuckolds.

No Toni Morrison?

>>15198378
wtf is this racism? "incapable of wealth generation" by whose fucking fault but white America's

>>15198657
and in what way is "wealth generation" even a good measure of the value of anything human

>>15198378
You mother fucker! Your ass better be jiving me.

Wrath James White only

>>15197926
Seconded, James Baldwin is excellent

Teju Cole is really fantastic. I'm surprised nobody talks about him on here.

>>15197345
Incomplete list:

>Machado de Assis
>Frantz Fanon
>Derek Walcott
>W.E.B. du Bois
>Adolph L. Reed, Jr.
>Thomas Sowell
>James Baldwin
>Ralph Ellison
>Richard Wright
>Jean Toomer
>Langston Hughes
>August Wilson
>Wole Basedinka
>Ngugi wa Thiong’o
>Jay Wright
>Wilson Harris
>Aime Cesaire
>Amiri Baraka’s early work
>Charles R. Johnson
>Paul Beatty

>>15197345
basedinka, death and the knigs horseman

>>15197345
W.E.B.D. is good, although like many if not most AfroAms he has quite a lot of white genetics, which is why American blacks have higher IQs than purebred Africans, and Dubois talks about how lighter skinned Negroes were the natural leaders of the AfroAm community.
"The lighter, the brighter" is a good rule of thumb.

>>15197637
Why did black Americans never produce any wothwhile culture?

>>15201263
all of american popular music is black. all of sports.

>no Iceberg Slim

I unirocally like Toni Morrison, but I generally prefer short stories over novels, whomever the author. James Baldwin, James Alan McPherson, and Charles Johnson all come to mind. Jamaica Kinkade is also a decent short story writer.

>>15197345
Homer
Dante
Cervantes

>>15201710
shieeet, I knew that the greeks were black but the italians too?!

Only Iceberg Slim. Everyone else is just a poor imitation of a white liberal "writer"

>>15201720
Don’t even get me started on the Irish

>>15197367
Ta-Nehisi pls leave, even Cornell West knows yrou're shit

>>15197421
why would a government ever pay people who have been wronged by that government?
it's based on a false presumption of what governance is and does, it's like saying it's the right thing to dismantle our country and give everything to native tribes, only a child would think this is possible and use 'morality' as evidence.

>>15201805
west's criticisms of coates were really bad. there are a lot better criticisms of the afro-pessimism that coates peddles but west is not it.

>>15201817
government is a social contract that its people agree to. if they fail to live up to that contract, then it's reasonable to expect some recourse by its people. or why would anyone agree to live in a society?

try keeping your emotions out of it and read some political theory before posting your cringe edge takes

>>15201847
hence the "even" in front of "cornell west"
>>15201871
>government is a social contract that its people agree to
lost me there, my dawg. tell that to the nigerians, who essentially had governance forced upon them, either in the form of white exploitation or a shoddy nativist defense against said exploitation.
stop thinking like an eighteenth century ideologue and observe the observable, it'll help your political reasoning skills generally.

>telling me to keep my emotions out of it, but uinrioncally believes in some immaculately conceived pure rights government
fuck. king. hell. pls try and grow up

>>15201871
sorry but I actually did continue reading--
>why would anyone agree to live in a society?
who the fuck agrees to live in a society?
you are likely born into one and deal from there-- the 'desirable societies' you may be drawn to if you are born in a shit society will likely NOT be the ones who promote good morals but the ones who have high living standards, regardless of how they achieve them. if you are born OUTSIDE of society (then being faced with the option to agree to live in one) you probably wouldn't have the opportunity, or the capacity and would be rejected

srsly dude, this is all self-evident, stop talking shit

>>15198493
Exactly this. Our "fellow white people" would feed us to dogs if it raised their credit score.

>>15197732
can you imagine having 90% of your problems caused by an inability to see that you are not special and no one gives a shit about you?
tenacious stupidity i guess

>>15197345
Adolph L Reed Jr. and Cornell West.
>>15197367
TNC is a hack!

If you have any, send poems and works to /lit/ Discord with this code: uUwxBUk
We are making a collection of original works

>>15202410
In fact, they have done something very similar through political apparatus.
The destruction of the american middle class was carried out almost entirely by the upper class which is made up of mostly white people with a group of diversity representatives pre-ordained for their friendliness to the cause of creating a sort of hell on earth in order to increase the returns on some risky shortsighted investments like petrochemical extraction, exploitation of cheap third world labor, deforestation, probably raping and eating children but that one's only a strong hunch.

Apparently alexander dumas was a nigger and he writes pretty good

>>15197345
This looks cool. Obviously there are way too many black writers to name without a more specific request, but just from the NYRB Classics series I've really enjoyed:

Camara Laye -- The Radiance of the King (one of the best books I read last year, completely bizarre nightmare African Kafka)
Tayeb Salih -- Season of Migration to the North (fantastic read especially if you like Heart of Darkness)
Tete-Michel Kpomassie -- An African in Greenland (exactly what the title says, simply a good story)

>>15197345
Poetry:
Langston Hughes
James Baldwin
Gwendolyn Brooks
Aime Cesaire
Robert Hayden
Etheridge Knight
Alexander Pushkin (sort of)
Shakespeare

Rodger Reeves
Lucile Clifton
Terrence Hayes
Shane McCrae

Book is good, and it's a fact easily forgotten that the writer was pretty much murdered by Shell over oil

>>15197345
I like Wole Basedinka's poetry. He's like the Nigerian Seamus Heaney. No matter the number of years, I can always remember a verse like:

'Be ageless as dark peat, but only that rain's
Fingers, not the feet of men, may wash you over.
Long wear the sun's shadow; run naked to the night.'

>>15197626
Agreed

>>15203923
>Basedinka
top kek

See his translation of Euripides' Bacchus

>>15203634
SUPAMANNN DAT HOE!!!!

>>15197408
This

>>15197507
No frankly.

>>15197345

Borges, Bioy Casares ... Well basically every argentinian author