/lit/ - Literature

>>15154533
being a carpenter and probably being offered young qt's to marry.

>>15154533
Inventing Buddhism as a warm up.

Worked so well they ascribed it happening centuries before for lineagebux.

>>15154533
Fucking whores

What would be the equivalent of 4chan in the Roman era Levant?

>>15154533
talking with his buds about life and shit while hanging drywall and listening to physical mixtapes from a boom box
comfy af

getting his toes ducked by gentile women

He was doing plank and push-ups

>>15154533
Teaching the Elders in the Temple.
They understood nothing though.

>>15154533
watching anime, sleeping in and shit posting on /lit/

>>15154533
went to thailand, fucked ladyboys

The Gospels don't "competently skip over" that. Luke 2:52 says He grew in stature and wisdom.

>>15154802
>talking with his buds about life and shit while hanging drywall and listening to physical mixtapes from a boom box
Being a subcontractor is NOT comfy

>>15156423
How can God grow in wisdom???

>>15156933
Because hes fully human too.

>>15156866
I disagree

>>15156933
the same way he can grow in stature

>>15156936
Did he have wet dreams during puberty?

>>15156866
I just worked for a dude who hung drywall for an sc one summer. Busy, but fun.

>>15157006
Wet dreams are demonic influence and Christ was free from sin.

>>15154533
Making tables, beds, chairs, etc. with his father.

>>15154533
vibing

>>15157008
Imagine unironically believing this shit

>>15157006
Canonically, as fully human, he must have.

>>15157008
How can he be fully human if he didnt have wet dreams as a teenage boy?

Carpentry

I heard theories about him being on Tibet

>>15157275
Explain

>>15154533
he went to the far east.

>>15156936
You can’t be fully two different things at once. This is a contradiction and appealing to a Semitic desert demon doesn’t make the problem go away

>>15157674
'humans' and 'gods' are not 'things' one can 'be', your identity is not 'human' or 'god', they are 'properties' of the 'you'.
so in short, they are natures one can 'embody'. Christ in this case took on human nature while being the 'identity' of the eternal Logos who is of the same nature/essence as the eternal God the Father who people usually understand the term 'God' to refer to.

>>15157674
>Semitic desert demon

>>15156933
Christ have up some of His glory when He was incarnated, resulting in situations that could be resolved easily using omnipotence, that He still faced as a human would.

>>15157773
>Christ have up some of His glory
Protestant cringe. You can't diminish the eternal glory Christ shares with the Father from all eternity by his very being.

>>15157758
soifags aren’t anti-semitic

>>15157793
I didn't diminish His glory, just that He didn't use it. The devil, when tempting Him, still quoted scripture and didn't exclusively lie, but Christ still didn't throw Himself off a cliff nor had angels rescue Him during crucifixion.

>>15157802
Then why do they hate the parts in the OT where the God of Israel slaughters egyptians? Seems highly anti-semitic of them to criticize his actions.

>>15154985
damn our Lord and savior prince of light and truth on earth looked like THAT?

>>15157804
>He didn't use it
How can he ever not """use""" an eternal attribute which he possesses merely in virtue of being who he is?
>Christ still didn't throw Himself off a cliff nor had angels rescue Him during crucifixion
Because he willed those things as he is always in full control of both his humanity and his divinity. How does that make him """not use""" his Divine Glory?

>>15157834
Then perhaps we're disagreeing on terminology. I'm not exactly sure what word to use, but I personally imagine glory to not just include an attribute but also the glorious actions associated with that glory. I'm trying to describe that Christ's sheer power wasn't displayed and utilized consistently.

>>15154607

unironically wall writings

go read some of them they are pretty fun
same quality of posts

>>15157844
>glory to not just include an attribute but also the glorious actions associated with that glory
sure. but the continuous action of divine providence/foreknowledge is associated with his glory. And that's always in play even on the cross. Him freely willing to die on the cross does not mean that he "did not use" his divinity. He merely needed to have a humanity to be able to die freely.

>>15157834
If jesus could summon 10k angels instantly why was he screaming ELOI ELOI LAMA SABACHTANI while he was being tortured to death?

>>15157808
>Then why do they hate the parts in the OT where the God of Israel slaughters egyptians? Seems highly anti-semitic of them to criticize his actions.

>>15157896
Because he is smarter than you and chose to die freely for his people, fulfilling numerous prophecies in the meantime.

>>15157888
I find that agreeable, but that still doesn't explain how Christ mentions not knowing the time of His second coming.

>>15157911
This does not explain why hes screaming MY GOD MY GOD WHY DID YOU FORSAKEN ME as hes dying

>>15154533
Helping out mom and dad with chores, going to church, praying for hours on end, mundane shit. That's why the bible doesn't talk about it, it's not noteworthy.

>>15157956
>going to church

>>15157935
Read Psalm 22 where he is quoting that line from, every Jew hearing this would understand it as a reference to that psalm. Almost everything Christ does in the Gospels is fulfilling some kind of prophecy/referencing past events in Israel's history, even though all of these actions are completely natural for him to do as a human of his position placed into in those settings. It's actually amazing when you think about it, no ordinary human would be able to pull this off without having complete control over history.

>>15157134
wet dreams are not a part of actual humanity. They are a fruit of original sin.

>>15157967
>no, the israelites did not go to a temple for worship.
How is your dumb modern brain not understanding my dumb modern interpretation?

>>15157808
Anti-Judaism is not anti-Semitism.

>>15158005
>jesus went to church to worship himself you dumb modern person haha

>>15158005
Sorry brother, but you seem to don't know shit about how Second Temple Judaism worked.

Being a scheming kike. He honed his skills over years of training. Christianity was his final scheme

>>15158056
>brainlet who never finished the OT posts an image of himself.

>>15157916
>how Christ mentions not knowing the time of His second coming
Christ has two minds owing to his humanity and his divinity, so he obviously knows when the world he created will end and just chooses to use his humanity and not tell us because we are not meant to know. He "limits" himself not by forsaking his divinity, but by using his humanity. It's the same reason one can really say that he did not speak Chinese, but clearly God knows any language and Christ would freely speak it if he willed to.

>>15157896
>quotes the psalm that prophesied his death
Why would he do this

>>15157982
Is this the level of retardation that christianity forces you to arrive at?

>>15158073
>fag who greetexts without posting a wojak

>>15157008
Giving me a right laugh, thank you.

>>15158088
it's true though. you need to have a corrupted/unclean spirit to have wet dreams.

>>15157006
>>15157073
>>15157134
>>15158099
>NOOOO WHY DONT ALL HUMANS FIT INTO MY NEAT MATERIALISTIC POST-FALL CORRUPTED PICTURE OF REALITY!!!!

>the arguments about christology in this thread
Christ had both a divine and human nature. That’s the point. Now, speaking crudely and not as proper philosophers, one way this has been put by some traditions is by splitting it into a “higher self” and “lower self.” This “higher self” is seen as the self of enlightenment, unity with God, the atman or even paramatman, etc. Of course, the self is not divided. It is completely one. This is just a manner of speaking, just like how some Hindus split the Deity into Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva (creating, preserving, destroying) while still admitting it is One Deity, just like some Christians have the Trinity (with God having a triune nature but still somehow being one), etc.

“God” is literally “our higher selves”, like a glowing white star above our heads shooting its rays down into our body and psyche. We’re like rays of light coming from a sun. The rays seem separate from each other when you get to the ends of them, but they all come from the same sun. “Christ” was simply a human who was in direct contact, had a direct connection, with this “Higher Self” (Himself, God, His own Father in Heaven). However, Jesus of Nazareth (the specific bodily historical person) does not need to be worshipped or revered. His own divine Self is what can be worshipped or revered and can save those who are worthy regardless of whether they specifically call on the bodily historical Jesus of Nazareth. This is why He, Christ, said, “Before Abraham was, I am” (John 8:58)

>>15158128
>atman
Cringe.

>>15158100
The Desert Fathers and Mothers (pbut), the most Christ-like people who ever walked on earth, were constantly tormented by demons.

>>15158128
>self of enlightenment, unity with God, the atman
>Hindus
>monad
>Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva
Paganism is heretical.
>“Christ” was simply a human who was in direct contact, had a direct connection, with this “Higher Self” (Himself, God, His own Father in Heaven)
Arianism is heretical.
>Jesus of Nazareth (the specific bodily historical person)
>His own divine Self is what can be worshipped or revered
>bodily historical Jesus of Nazareth
Nestorianism is heretical.

>>15158156
You are heretical because you don’t understand Christ’s own sayings and teachings and threw away an unmediated relationship with Him for listening to some church. The churches and mainstream interpretations of Christianity are utterly corrupt. Second, you yourself can not explain Jesus of Nazareth simultaneously having a divine and human nature better than I can.

>>15158154
>Christ-like
Keyword being "like". Indeed, even great saints are constantly tempted. Even Christ himself was tempted, but only he had the power to never be tricked into sin because of his divine personhood. The Logos could never sin at any point.

>>15158062
>you seem to don't know shit
lol
Also, since the bible doesn't reveal Jesus's mundane teenage shit (because it's not noteworthy. Afterall, it is assumed that Jesus only began to deviate from judaic customs when he began to preach innovatively) then I'm left to interpret that Jesus either A) Worshiped at the temple just like everyone else, to avoid shaming them so early on. Not doing so would just 'dishonor' them, and Jesus wasn't about breaking the 10 commandments. Or B) Did it 'His Way', which would just cause the problem mentioned in option A.

@8088
@8097
>(You)-vore troll

>>15158154
But Jesus was the only one that never sinned.

>>15158171
>to avoid shaming them
By 'them', I'm referring to Jesus's parents.

>>15158163
>You are heretical
>"heretical", literally deriving from "to choose"
No, I don't pick and choose my beliefs like "traditionalist" larpers do. I just follow my Church.
>you don’t understand Christ’s own sayings
He very clearly debunks paganism, arianism and nestorianism in the very text you quote from on the literal first line.
>Second, you yourself can not explain Jesus of Nazareth simultaneously having a divine and human nature better than I can.
Sure I can (you secretly did too by calling him the one person Christ with two natures). The Church already did that better than an american hindu-worshipping larping bugman ever could hope to comprehend.

>>15158206
The real Church is made up of people from all times, places, cultures, traditions, and races.

>>15158163
>The churches and mainstream interpretations of Christianity are utterly corrupt.

>>15158166
They have wet dreams, and so have Jesus. Given the fact that He was fully human as well as fully divine gives us the place to say that it is conceivable that He had wet dreams, and since He was a man without sin, as you said, wet dreams cannot be a sin. Wet dreams are a natural bodily function that we have no control over. See Deut. 23:9-11.

>>15158217
And all of them would rightfully refute your pagan nonsense using the same text you quoted.

>>15158222
>Wet dreams are a natural bodily function that we have no control over.
>no control over
>keep away from everything impure
ummmm???

>>15158222
>Wet dreams are a natural bodily function that we have no control over.
Omg this! Just like homosexuality! Science has proven this! Sin doesn't exist! It is perfectly natural and we should not discrimanate!

>>15158222
>it is conceivable that He had wet dreams
Wet dreams are a result of giving into demonic influence.

>>15158225
The real church existed 15,000 years ago in Sumer as much as it existed in 400 BC in India. You can’t monopolize it by making an “official accredited institution which has officially listed out all the heresies to deny and dogmas to follow,” just by the very nature of reality and our own neurocognitive system.

Worshipping a specific bodily historical person and claiming anyone who does not worship him in the same way is a “pagan” is actually itself blasphemy. Would you worship the piss that came of Jesus’s dick? Or would you rather worship His own divine nature, which He lived His life trying to alert people to?

>>15157802
>soifags aren’t anti-semitic

>>15158263
>The real church existed 15,000 years ago in Sumer as much as it existed in 400 BC in India.
>our own neurocognitive system

>>15158273
That’s not an argument. But what do I expect from this board? I’m casting pearls before swine.

>>15154533
Having sex with men

@15158263
>Worshipping a specific bodily historical person
I don't worship a bodily person. I worship an eternal divine person (the Logos) who took on human nature, not human personhood.
>Or would you rather worship His own divine nature
No I wouldn't because that's blasphemy. One cannot worship abstract apophatic objects. Only the three persons of the Holy Trinity know what the divine nature is.

>>15158263
>in Sumer
>15,000 years ago
>existed

lmao. how would the Sumerians predate the world?

>>15158301
uhm, based?

>>15158301
5,000 years ago**
Good catch, Sumer wasn’t there 15k years ago

>>15158301
>lmao. how would the Sumerians predate the world?

>I don't worship a bodily person. I worship an eternal divine person (the Logos) who took on human nature, not human personhood.
Then we’re in agreement, only I try to put it as blasphemously as possible to stir up thought and to point out that spiritual truth is beyond any confined dogmatic religious forms.

>>15158263
>The real church existed 15,000 years ago in Sumer as much as it existed in 400 BC in India.
Relativism is cringe on 4channel these days. Get on with the times.

>>15158323
>I try to put it as blasphemously as possible to stir up thought and to point out that spiritual truth is beyond any confined dogmatic religious forms

@158310
>6500x6500
lol

>>15158324
It’s not relativism, you goofball. Is God really omnipotent and omniscient if he wasn’t in Sumer 5000 years ago?

>>15158323
>spiritual truth is beyond any confined dogmatic religious forms
Trying to set up a false dichotomy between spiritual truth and dogma (expressions of spiritual truth) is peak bugman behaviour.

>>15158283
>NO NO NO NOOOOO THAT IS NOT WHAT I SAID THAT IS A STRAWMAN YOU CAN JUST GREENTEXT MY ARGUMENT LIKE THAT

>>15158347
Dogmas are words written down on a paper. Direct experience goes beyond words written on a paper. Words written on a paper can mean all sorts of things and be changed by the writers’ own languages, cultures, traditions, historical events occurring, etc. There is a more perfect connection with God possible than the one you get (if you get one at all and aren’t just deluding yourself with the comfy feeling of belonging to a community) from reading books and taking part in rituals (which, again, are also socially, historically, and materially conditioned like words written on paper are).

>>15158338
>Is God really omnipotent and omniscient if he wasn’t in Sumer 5000 years ago?
There are different ways God can "be" in a "physical place". The way He is in a church when believers are gathered in prayer is different from the way He is around spiritually dead advaitins praying to idols.

>>15158362
>be changed by the writers’ own languages, cultures, traditions, historical events occurring, etc.
>which, again, are also socially, historically, and materially conditioned like words written on paper are
God is sovereign and controls all of history. Material words are contingent only insofar as God does not inspire and preserve them. But His gift of Holy Scripture to us is special and He promises to protect it from corruption.

>>15158362
>There is a more perfect connection with God possible than the one you get
No, meditating oneself away into nihilism is not a "connection" with the only true God.

Was /lit/ always like this? Shitposting soifaces at each other because no one is able to have a sincere discussion anymore?

>>15158403
No. Now it's the new /b/, minus the (child) porn.

>>15158374
>There are different ways God can "be" in a "physical place". The way He is in a church when believers are gathered in prayer is different from the way He is around spiritually dead advaitins praying to idols.
>>15158374
>There are different ways God can "be" in a "physical place". The way He is in a church when believers are gathered in prayer is different from the way He is around spiritually dead advaitins praying to idols.
How do you know. Did you go to all the advaitins? And not all Hindus are affair is. Some are called “Bhaktis,” (which means love, devotion), and they’re more similar to mainstream denominations of Christianity. They’re more dualistic, and worship a deity, or deity-person like Krishna, with beads and songs and statues and prayers. Maybe the state of consciousness they get into is much like the one you get into at church, but for them their way is perfect because they’ve grown up since childhood used to feeling religious devotion for these figures until the devotion has become organic and engrained in them. And how do you know that some advaitins or bhaktis aren’t saying the same thing, that those in the Christian churches don’t understand real spirituality? And why are they like that, I wonder? God wanted to punish them by raising them as Hindus and steeping them in Hindu religions and monasteries and tales of great Hindu yogis and saints? He wanted to punish them by making them so attached to a religion which isn’t Christianity? And don’t give me any nonsense about how they can convert to Christianity if they want to. You may as well say all of the Middle East could get over Islam and convert to Christianity.

> God is sovereign and controls all of history. Material words are contingent only insofar as God does not inspire and preserve them. But His gift of Holy Scripture to us is special and He promises to protect it from corruption.
Multiple religions and cultures have had scriptures which they claimed were divinely inspired. They’ve also had stories of great miracle-working benevolent and loving saints, prophets, yogis, etc., claiming to be in touch with God.

>>15158422
>minus the (child) porn
woah. didn't know /b/ was so based.

>>15158431
>How do you know. Did you go to all the advaitins? And not all Hindus are affair is. Some are called “Bhaktis,” (which means love, devotion), and they’re more similar to mainstream denominations of Christianity. They’re more dualistic, and worship a deity, or deity-person like Krishna, with beads and songs and statues and prayers. Maybe the state of consciousness they get into is much like the one you get into at church, but for them their way is perfect because they’ve grown up since childhood used to feeling religious devotion for these figures until the devotion has become organic and engrained in them. And how do you know that some advaitins or bhaktis aren’t saying the same thing, that those in the Christian churches don’t understand real spirituality? And why are they like that, I wonder? God wanted to punish them by raising them as Hindus and steeping them in Hindu religions and monasteries and tales of great Hindu yogis and saints? He wanted to punish them by making them so attached to a religion which isn’t Christianity? And don’t give me any nonsense about how they can convert to Christianity if they want to. You may as well say all of the Middle East could get over Islam and convert to Christianity.

>Multiple religions and cultures have had scriptures which they claimed were divinely inspired. They’ve also had stories of great miracle-working benevolent and loving saints, prophets, yogis, etc., claiming to be in touch with God.

>>15158402
Who said anything about meditating yourself away into nihilism? I love and embrace life.

>>15158431
>they’re more similar to mainstream denominations of Christianity
>worship a deity, or deity-person like Krishna
>worship "krishna"
>Christianity

>>15158446
>I love and embrace life.
The raging spiritually dead sodomite who visits various "parties" or "hindu prayer groups" says the same.

>>15158459
I don’t do any of those things myself (parties, Hindu prayer groups, sodomy). I wish anyone who does do them best of luck and hope they don’t get hurt or hurt others in the process, spiritually or physically.

>>15158431
>>15158442
>>15158451
OMG THESE BHAKTIS ARE SO MUCH LIKE CHRISTIANITY!!! LOOK!!! THEY WORSHIP SOMETHING DISTINCT FROM THEMSELVES!!!

>>15158459
That's just a snap-shot of a young degenerate's life. Revisit one, ten years later.

>>15158483
Crude racism?

>>15158493
I can give examples of any pagan race worshipping the most vile objects.

>>15158483
Is that a squatting toilet? What do you call those? I think Japan has a lot of those, right?

>>15158505
it's just the perennialist form of the holy of holies bro, it's jut like christianity.

>>15158499
I love you anon, take care of yourself. This board is crude. It’s filled with crude people being hateful and making fun of each other. It’s filled with unspiritual wicked people and atheists. Don’t spend too much time on it. I don’t like spending time on it much recently myself.

>>15158513
/lit/ is no longer a christian board.

>>15158446
>I love and embrace life just meditate bro

>>15158338
This is actually a good point. An eternal god should be represented in the earliest religions

>>15158374
Where does god promise hes going to protect the bible from corruption?

>>15158623
>earliest religions
you mean like the literal first religion in the Garden of Eden where Adam worshipped YHWH?

>>15158630
he even promises more, that his Church (the body that compiled the Bible in the first place) will be protected from corruption against the gates of hell. read the Gospel of Matthew.

>>15154533
He was really into skateboarding

>>15157062
TABLES CHAIRS AND OAKEN CHESTS
WOULD HAVE SUITED JESUS BEST
HE'D HAVE CAUSED NOBODY HARM
NO ONE ALARM

>>15154533
ur mom

>>15158681
God doesnt say anything about protecting scripture in Matthew

>>15154533
Making tables 'n' shit.

He went through a training arc.

>>15159139

Was he gonna need a montage?