/lit/ - Literature

>>15132364
Cringe lol, no such thing as Self/Soul, try again retard

>>15132435
and you will know them by their fruits

>>15132435
t. esl

>>15132364
Bruh, what is this circular logic bullshit? Cheap excuse of an idea. Uh, hurr, everything is one consciousness that dreams everything, durr. This is even lamer than the kike on the stick fairy tale.

>>15132456
>pajeet calling others esl
Lmao

>>15132553
Not hindu, also cope npc retard ofc you dont have a soul
>>15132459
Because the western mind is retarded and looks for ever new shiny false ideas instead of truth , this can be confirmed in practice ,in direct insight while christianity provides no burden of proof . Read nonduality then comeback

advaita is crypto-buddhism, if you want real hinduism you have to go back to schools that weren't created in 850AD

only advaita cultists deny this because of course they think their religion is the original religion. the few indians who actually follow advaita in india are borderline korean hyperwar enthusiasts, they think advaita is 50,000 years old and shankara lived on the moon

>>15132803
>unironically using Pajeet tier proofs to claim superiority of his fairy tale

>>15132435
>no such thing as Sel-
that utterly foolish claim was retroactively refuted by Shankaracharya (pic related)

>>15132988
buddhism is just beta version of upanishads
>>15132993
https://www2.uned.es/dpto-hdi/History%20of%20Non-dual%20Meditation%20Methods.pdf
universal proof , only lazy nigers like u have to do the work to confirm the truth.

bump

>>15132364
So who did it first, the Greeks or Hindus?

>>15134029
hindus , mass sages channeling wisdom

>>15132364
>heretical Advaita
No, thanks.

>>15134367
Based

>>15132459
Circular logic is objectively the most stable form of reasoning

Fuck Advaita, embrace BASED TRIKA

>>15132435
This assemblage gets it

>>15132364
>still talking about Advaita
Become sober you fool!

>>15134029
Very hard to say. Greece has a much more stable textual tradition. We only have manuscripts of the Hindu texts from 1000-1500 years after they were written, at earliest, and there are many signs of their being edited procedurally over the centuries.

For example we sometimes find older manuscripts of things than we had previously, so say the oldest manuscript we have of a given text is from 1600 AD and we suddenly find one from 700 AD. It's usually the case that the 700 AD version is a tiny part OF the 1600 AD text, and substantially modified even then, even though the the 1600 AD version claims to simply be "the" text, as it was originally written down some time around 500BC. In these instances we see how volatile textual traditions are in the Hindu subcontinent.

There are a few scholars who insist that the whole Vedic tradition is an unbroken development with fairly conservative texts due to mnemonic devices and such, but this is suppositional and badly supported. It's only Indian nationalists who do this. The consensus of the vast majority of scholars is that not even the most important texts can be dated with certainty of more than "a few centuries around this point." Let alone the thousands of other texts. For example there are many more texts traditionally attributed to Shankara than he probably wrote. Even some of the major, central texts ascribed to Shankara are seriously in doubt.

So all that being said, it's hard to say who did what first, because it's hard to say what texts represent what ideas at what points in time. In Greece things are a lot better. We have more manuscripts, more intertextual references, more textual stability in general. We can say pretty definitively that the 5th century BC was a time of great philosophical flourishing that likely developed out of late 7th and 6th century discourse, which is what the ancient sources do tell us. The 8th and early 7th centuries are very uncertain though.

In Greece, philosophical speculation seems to have accompanied urbanization and easier communication. The same is true in India, but India's urbanization lagged a little bit behind Greece according to archaeology. Greece was also smaller and easier to navigate, and had the Near East right next door, and it's absolutely certain that the early Greek intellectual world was in regular contact with Near Eastern discourses on cosmogony and cosmology, although we can only see a few fragments and traces of this commerce in Hesiod. The Brahmanas show the same discourses, but it's hard to tell how much "international" contact was going on and with whom.

>>15135056
Here's what Patrick Olivelle says about it:
In spite of claims made by some, in reality, any dating of these documents that attempts a precision closer than a few centuries is as stable as a house of cards. The scholarly consensus, well founded I think, is that the Brhadaranyaka and the Chandogya are the two earliest Upanisads. We have seen, however, that they are edited texts, some of whose sources are much older than others. The two texts as we have them are, in all likelihood, pre-Buddhist; placing them in the seventh to sixth centuries BCE may be reasonable, give or take a century or so.

Again, keep in mind that these are composite texts edited and re-edited over centuries, which we only have in manuscripts from the last thousand years (if that). So even if those two oldest Upanishads are actually contemporary, roughly, with the middle period of Greece's early philosophical development, we don't know which parts of them really reflect that period and which reflect later ideas. And we don't know by how much those speculations pre-dated or paralleled Greece's, although it's tempting to think that it's not coincidental that both these parts of the world were interested in philosophy at around the same times. Those are called axial age theories, but they're pretty out of date. McEvilley is an interesting maximalist book on them although he's not taken super seriously by more conservative scholarship.

>>15135067
Sorry, the Olivelle paragraph should just be one paragraph, I meant to greentext. The second paragraph of this post is me talking again.

>>15133124
Enjoyed reading this & seeing the various approaches outlined in a way that allows for a proper comparison. The technique in the very first chapter on Advaita itself seems the most direct & to the point - basically just be aware of the "I" so awareness kind of short circuits & the pure non-dual awareness can be experienced.

>>15135067
>>15135056
Zoroastrianism helps date the Vedas because it's a reaction to Vedism, and Avestan is nearly mutually intelligible with Vedic Sanskrit

>>15134367
>ahh yes, my semitic desert cult, not that heretical philosophy about the world consciousness
Off yourself, retard.

>>15135266
>semitic prophets constantly tell that the goyim will worship the True God
>it actually happens
>pseudointellectual spiritually dead advaitins still larp as epic Brahmin meditators from a local contingent religion (yes religion, not philosophy, as you need to pray to demons and idols in Advaita) instead of prostrating before our Lord Jesus Christ
Yeah that's gonna be a 'yikes' from me

>>15135192
It only helps a tiny bit because Avestan and Zoroastrianism themselves are so hard to date. Even harder than the Vedic materials.

>>15135629

>"This self was indeed Brahman in the beginning. It knew itself only as "I am Brahman." Therefore it became all. And whoever among the gods had this enlightenment, also became That Brahman. It is the same with the seers (rishis), the same with men. The seer Vamadeva, having realized this self as That, came to know: "I was Manu and the sun." And to this day, whoever in a like manner knows the self as "I am Brahman," becomes all this universe. Even the gods cannot prevent his becoming this, for he has become their Self. Now, if a man worships another deity, thinking: "He is one and I am another," he does not know. He is like an animal to the gods. As many animals serve a man, so does each man serve the gods. Even if one animal is taken away, it causes anguish to the owner; how much more so when many are taken away! Therefore it is not pleasing to the gods that men should know this."

- Brihadaranyaka Upanishad 1.4.10.

>>15135819
>became all
>becoming
OH NO NO NO NO

>>15135819
Read the Avesta my dude
(And Markandeya Purana)

>>15135819
based ,
>>15135629
praying to entities is christcuck syndrom

>>15133124
>buddhism is just beta version of upanishads
yea thats a cringe from me bhai

>>15135173
I agree that Advaita seems to be the most direct, certain Sufi and Hindu-Tantric writings can be as well in my experience

>>15136802
you're one uber autist over advaita ,since your sect of buddhism barely gets mentioned this is your only chance to sperg out.

At least post some content or advantages of that system of which i see non except life denying self cuckery

>>15137046
>you're one uber autist over advaita
says the dude who keeps spamming advaita all over this board. How does it feel knowing you've driven away everyone from engaging in advaita vedanta and resorting to samefagging to save face?

>>15137172
Based guenon-detective unmasking obvious astroturfing, he's even going into Christianity threads to shill his delusion.

>>15137172
There are a bunch of people who post about Vedanta, Hinduism and general non-Hindu non-dualism all the time, not everyone who calls you out for being a whiny bitch who complains in every Advaita thread is the same person who was posting about one of the above topics in a certain way, that's just you projecting if you automatically believe that as it's you who spam your images in every Hinduism-related thread. Typical Jewish behavior of projecting your own flaws onto everyone you dislike while being completely oblivious

>>15137172
all that guy does is shill his shitty beliefs on lit. it's incredible

>>15137220
>There are a bunch of people who post about Vedanta, Hinduism and general non-Hindu non-dualism all the time
t. person who was outed for samefagging 3 times (and in one instance came up a bullshit explanation of 'I keep getting connected to different phone lines bro').

You've consistently pushed this idea that there are a myriad of posters congregating in this place with the same pattern of posts, the same jpegs uploaded, the same buzzwords being spammed. Very convenient don't you think? I'm sure you could've used your autism to come up with something other than 'Its not lol my brand of advaita is just popular haha xD' but I guess you're too low IQ to actually do that.

>not everyone who calls you out for being a whiny bitch who complains in every Advaita thread is the same person who was posting about one of the above topics in a certain way
do people who out you in every one of your threads really bother you this much? Consider actually hiding your tracks for once, maybe post a different picture or come up with new memes instead of regurgitating the same tired ones. At least pretend to be genuine because so far you have been very obvious and people have picked up on it.

>Typical Jewish behavior
see this is an example

you were the same guy who posted this the other day
>>15110263

there is so much tells from your own posts

>>15137374
You still think I'm some person that you are obsessed with, I'm not and I don't care I was just pointing out that you show up in every thread acting like a retard

>>15137220
>guenonfag defending guenonspammer who doesnt even care about guenon
ahahaha

it's the same guy who posts:

Meister Eckhart
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pepejung
castaneda
enoch

so traditional he likes osho and hippie whores

>>15137172
Im not guenon just shankara poster
Yes , several anons were grateful and tried the material . All you u do is massive cock chugging everyone someone mentions advaita and seethe , you're a mega lordpathetico seething that noone engages with ur sect and only way to get engagement is seething over advaita
How are you so miserable?

>>15137394
>You still think I'm some person that you are obsessed with
well considering you are deflecting from the evidence and the only retort you have is to bark about how you are not 'that person', yea we can all see you from a mile away.

>>15137396
christcuck has not refuted 1 argument and shouts
>demonic
>satanic
even christ would spit on you

>>15137409
>Im not guenon just shankara poster
wow just as I've called 'him' out, 'you' show up at the right time and defend 'him' again for the 108th time. What a coincidence!

>>15137430
take notes from the christcuck above , you're too low iq for detective work

>>15137430
also like i said instead of being a useless seething tard ,post content of your sect or something useful

>>15137420
>from the evidence
There is no "evidence", all you have is screencaps of one person posting about Advaita, but there are many people on /lit/ who have read about non-dualism and Hinduism so there is no basis to assume that every person who disagrees with you in these sorts of thread is that one person in the screencap, you are just a weirdo who thinks everyone who calls you out for being a retard is some boogeyman

>>15137428
>stop browsing lit
>wonder if theres any good thread at the end of my day
>see guenonspammer shilling his shitty beliefs and samefagging again and again

this keeps happening daily

>>15137469
>There is no "evidence"....there are many people on /lit/ who have read about non-dualism and Hinduism
you can shout this all day until the cows come home but its all there for everyone else to see, same posting style, same buzzwords, same jpegs yet all you can say it 'not me lol' (actually you don't even bother addressing me outing you since you're trying to shy away from it).

>>15137476
Not many can handle the brutal truth of liberation
also last time u posted >>15137396
in a sad attempt to try a snarky ego bite , several agreed with me kek

spiritual caliber of the advaita spammer

>>15137504
what several u schizo. that never happened

this delusional neet proselytizes daily with occult/advaita shit

>>15137553
how many countless hours of your life have you wasted attempting to screencap anonymous posters on a literature forum, so that you could accuse other anonymous posters in other threads about being those posters? Do you have aspergers or something?

>inb4 RRRREEEEEE YOU SPAM ABOUT RELIGION ETC JUST AS MUCH AS I SPAM THESE THREADS
even if that were true, at least I would end up having conversations about interesting topics that I enjoy conversing about, instead of dedicating my waking hours to chasing after phantoms of my imagination across an anonymous board without ever actually having any interesting conversations or gaining anything from it

>>15137572
>how many countless hours of your life have you wasted attempting to screencap anonymous posters on a literature forum
less than 1 minute. thats the first collage ive made
>so that you could accuse other anonymous posters in other threads about being those posters?
all of my accusations are true

what i do is expose counter-tradition agents for what they are with the hope they stop shitting up this place

what about you? what's your story

and i've learned a lot about spiritual delusion by observing advaitaspammer's behavior and learning about him. all of advaita posters are more or less in the same level of spiritual delusion and act under the influence of evil forces

>>15137572
Its ironic that you now equate everyone else who calls you out as the same person. What happened to 'not everyone who calls you out is the same person'?

>>15137513
>>15137553
>>15137634
samefagging christcuck when will you ever learn? meditate more

>>15137667
who are you talking to?
its all seething christcuck cope with his spiritual infantility

>>15137682
so your resentment against the west that leads to all of this spamming. where does it come from? could it be because you are not white??

>>15137693
talking to you lol, the retarded spammer

>>15137699
>could it be because you are not white??

>>15137706
kek. it all makes sense now

>>15137699
>>15137701
As i said before euro , to educate you stunned spiritual niggers out of compassion of awakening

guenon/advaita/occult spammer's core motivation is based on his racial complex. that's why he keeps posting "east > west" and similar stuff

>>15137731
it's ok if youre black anon. no need to make your life revolve around shilling eastern shit on lit though. free yourself from your psychic complexes. as time passes more i realize how deep u are into the psychic prison

im not from europe or usa

>>15137766
Nice cope christcuck nigger after being btfoed in every thread remember to follow me everywhere as i post
>rent free

how is that a cope. im telling u its ok for you to be black, your race is not the point. the point is your deep resentment against the west that leads to eastern shit spam

>>15137793
find where europe is on a map and its race.
Im above simple western-east dogma

>>15134029
Egyptians.

>>15137856
>Im above simple western-east dogma
i know you are - geographically that is. agora pare com este spam

Only aghoris are the real deal

>>15137731
lol