/lit/ - Literature

>>15130031
I have never really comprehended why people take so much joy in pointing out that people who hate gays the most often turn out themselves to be gay. Doesn't it make sense that if you are guilty of something you think is wrong then you have even more reason to oppose it.

>>15130092
Or it's self hatred caused by cultural stigmas. Christian monks used to beat themselves for existing, lmao.

>>15130092
yes, it is fallacious if applied to all cases, but that doesn't mean there isn't a tendency, one should walk a fine line in this regard.

>>15130031
>Also, is there any truth to this?
Probably most people who hate gays aren’t secretly gay but sometimes there will be a crossover. I would think most who hate gays are straight.
>or is it all just extrapolated (incorrectly) from Freud?
If it’s extrapolated from psychology then it’s inherently bullshit

>>15130031
>he goes on long rants about vaginas being gross, eating pussy being degenerate, and there is also a clip of him saying that his wife pegs him.
Pic related
Finding vaginas gross to the point where he might be physically disgusted by them is not very straight. And getting pegged by a woman is worse than being gay, it’s submission to a woman

>>15130125
>Finding vaginas gross to the point where he might be physically disgusted by them is not very straight.
Agreed.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/14430824_Is_Homophobia_Associated_with_Homosexual_Arousal

>>15130196
they're disgusting, our attraction to them is irrational,

>>15130031
I am going to try and give an explanation, the majority of people find homsexuals pervers and think eating pussy is disgusting, thats because it increases the chance of you developing an afflication and does not lead to procreation, so evolution selects for these traits in people.

Pretending this is anything but natural behaviour is a cope on your part.

>>15130236
>Both groups exhibited increases in penile circumference to the heterosexual and female homosexual videos. Only the homophobic men showed an increase in penile erection to male homosexual stimuli. The groups did not differ in aggression. Homophobia is apparently associated with homosexual arousal that the homophobic individual is either unaware of or denies.

>>15130251
Attraction to them is rational because attraction to them would naturally lead to procreation which is the rational extension of one’s own genetics and therefore oneself past death.
Obsessing over vaginas and women for their own sake is irrational and leads to porn addiction and simp behaviour but being disgusted by them is a sign that you have issues. They are not disgusting just because women often are, and to think that way may lead to contraction of the gay

>>15130236
And there you have it. All this time that "arachnophobics want to fuck spiders" meme was total bullshit. Why am I not surprised?

>>15130279
>eating pussy is disgusting, thats because it increases the chance of you developing an afflication
Do you mean affliction? Do you have any proof that fellatio causes disease?

>>15130299
>false equivalency fallacy
yikes

>>15130314
>Do you mean affliction? Do you have any proof that fellatio causes disease?

https://www.nhs.uk/news/cancer/men-who-perform-oral-sex-women-more-risk-mouth-and-throat-cancers/

The moment you realise that nonreproductive and risky sex creates a (slight) evolutionary disadvantage, it makes perfect sense why some people react strongly to homosexuality, oral sex or sexual libertinism.

>>15130314
not that anon, apparently it can contribute to face/oral cancer

>>15130279
>thats because it increases the chance of you developing an afflication
Fucking a girl with HPV can also give you dick cancer and a girl performing fellatio to an HPV dick also gives her throat cancer, any kind of recreational sex increases disease risk.
>I don’t want to eat pussy because I don’t care about her pleasure and it doesn’t result in procreation
Based and alpha
>I don’t want to eat pussy because vaginas are gross
Cringe and gay

>>15130321
>t. I'm a homophobe/repressive homosexual but pls don't out me in public

>>15130339
>Fucking a girl with HPV can also give you dick cancer and a girl performing fellatio to an HPV dick also gives her throat cancer, any kind of recreational sex increases disease risk.
Exactly, so nature will select for people have safe sex, keep to fewer partners, etc.

>Cringe and gay
Come on, who would lick a hole full of piss, slime, blood, etc. what are you, a dog?

>>15130337
see
>>15130339
Just admit it has nothing to do with the risk of disease and everything to do with your own one-way direction of pleasure. If a girl is sucking your dick you're not worried thinking "Oh gee I hope she doesn't increase her risk of throat cancer while I'm repeatedly pounding the back of her throat"

>>15130337
This is from HPV. Tongue fucking virgin girls wont cause cancer.

>>15130344
?

>>15130358
Did you even read the study?

>>15130236
>>15130280
>>15130299
here is a critique of that study:
https://www.realclearscience.com/blog/2019/05/09/are_homophobic_men_turned_on_by_gay_porn.html

>>15130357
I am actually a complete prude, never had my dick sucked. Does that bother you? Cant handle someone who doesnt build his life around sex? I also almost never masturbate.

>>15130358
>This is from HPV. Tongue fucking virgin girls wont cause cancer.
I love it, I simply point out that evolution selects against nonreproductive and risky sex acts, and all the addicts here have to find faults.....

I wonder why?

>>15130347
>>15130347
>Exactly, so nature will select for people have safe sex, keep to fewer partners, etc.
We certainly agree here
>Come on, who would lick a hole full of piss, slime, blood, etc. what are you, a dog?
I don’t eat pussy because I don’t want throat cancer but if when you think about female genitalia you’re fixated on the piss and blood you have some kind of problem. I want to cum inside it, the consideration by you if the grossest possible aspects that would only manifest in a visible way if the woman had the bathing practices of some /r9k/ loser is an indication of something wrong, normal straight guys don’t fixate on that shit

>>15130031
>hate chinks
Hmph, you must want to fuck a chink

>hate spiders
Hmph, you must want to fuck spiders

>hate Trump
Hmph :^)

>>15130378
>if when you think about female genitalia you’re fixated on the piss and blood you have some kind of problem.
I obviously dont, because the subject was oral sex, then I suddenly start thinking about piss, slime and blood. Come on, you dont lick someones anus, or their armpit. or souls of their feet. Its unhygienic and nature will select against it.

>>15130367
>Cant handle someone who doesnt build his life around sex?
Someone who goes out of their way to avoid or admonish their own desires is just as obsessed with sex as a compulsive pervert, only in an inverted form. The same way incels are obsessed with women by virtue of actively avoiding them.

>>15130374
>NOOOO YOU CAN'T CRITIQUE MY STUDY NOOOOOOOOOOO
Actually retarded.

>>15130393
>Someone who goes out of their way to avoid or admonish their own desires is just as obsessed with sex as a compulsive pervert,
Did it ever occur to you, that perhaps my sexuality is just normal and healthy for me? What makes you think that every person has to be always obsessed with sex?

>>15130366
>more research required
Is that it? The idea that men are aroused by anxiety (or are aroused contemporaneously with anxiety) doesn't do anything to counter the idea that homophobes have repressed homosexual tendencies.

>>15130031
Make straight men watch gay porn. Tell me they aren't at least a little bit disgusted or uncomfortable watching it. If that's "homophobic", so be it. But you won't convince me that watching gay porn should be like watching a nature documentary where you don't feel anything. I think most heterosexual men would feel some degree of disgust. Does that make them homophobic?

>>15130389
>you dont lick someones anus

>>15130404
>perhaps my sexuality is just normal and healthy for me?
then why is it so difficult for you to acknowledge that the sexuality of others is "normal and healthy" for them? Regardless of procreation, or survival– gays are not going to be procreating, and if you are genuinely disgusted by them, you should be perfectly happy with them putting themselves at higher risk of disease. So why should it matter what they do, from an evolutionary standpoint? They're already dead ends, from your perspective.

>>15130337
>The moment you realise that nonreproductive and risky sex creates a (slight) evolutionary disadvantage, it makes perfect sense why some people react strongly to homosexuality, oral sex or sexual libertinism.
Lol, it probably doesn't even cross your mind that our proclivity for oral sex evolved because it was advantageous. All men like blowjobs, but I'm sure it's veeeeery disadvantageous. There's an entire chapter on oral sex in Sperm Wars. The hypothesis is that oral sex helps identify infidelity in your partner.

Maybe extremely myopic and unstable "homophobes" are repressed homosexuals but zoomers have to understand that everyone made fun of gays as a matter of course before the full court press of gay rights from the mid 90's on. 90% of normal people did not like gays and homosexual acceptance is probably the most remarkable feat of social engineering in the last 30 years.

>>15130367
Wow, you're the coolest guy on 4chan right now. Never even got your dick sucked, alpha as fuck (based!)

>>15130367
>Cant handle someone who doesnt build his life around sex?
You're the equivalent of a hobo on the street screaming that money doesn't buy happiness anyway.

this thread is bullshit and I hope OP catches AIDS from his fav youtuber and dies, but I gotta say, what a couple of qts those two are :)

>>15130401
lol. keep making excuses for your "lifestyle"!

>>15130418
>then why is it so difficult for you to acknowledge that the sexuality of others is "normal and healthy" for them?
Because it literally is not healthy, it puts them at risk to get diseases....

Thats the whole point.

>>15130421
>All men like blowjobs, but I'm sure it's veeeeery disadvantageous
He, if there is a risk of getting a disease and not procreating, yes it literally is an evolutionary disadvantage.

>>15130432
>Wow, you're the coolest guy on 4chan right now. Never even got your dick sucked, alpha as fuck (based!)
I laugh my ass off, everybody has to be in the sex cult, no exceptions?

>>15130442
BTFO

>>15130406
>Moreover, the method used to assess sexual arousal, the penile plethysmograph, a device that measures blood flow to the penis, has recently come under fire in judicial and academic circles for variation in testing and the potential for false results. Moreover, the University of Georgia researchers admitted the possibility that "viewing homosexual stimuli causes negative emotions such as anxiety in homophobic men but not in nonhomophobic men. Because anxiety has been shown to enhance arousal and erection, this theory would predict increases in erection in homophobic men.

> One study published in 2006 found that any arousal to gay sexual stimuli from homophobic men can likely be attributed to "implicit aversion rather than an implicit attraction," countering the original research. But another study published more recently reported the opposite.

>At best, we can say that some homophobic men may be aroused by homosexual imagery, but we didn't need methodologically-dubious studies to tell us that.

>>15130421
>All men like blowjobs
I could go the entire rest of my life without getting my dick sucked and not even realize it. I hate the succ

>>15130446
>Because it literally is not healthy, it puts them at risk to get diseases....
Yes, but it does not benefit YOUR survival to be condemnatory towards those who do participate in it. All you have to do is not engage in it, and not give a shit about what anyone else does. Besides, I think most people would agree that the total avoidance of risk inevitably breeds the most delicate and neurotic type of person (which, in your aversion to sex acts in general, I think we can say with some confidence that that is exactly the sort of person you are). Your justification is entirely irrational, and not only that, its made you into a weak-willed sop in the process.

>>15130406
NO IM NOT GAAY, NOOO

>>15130455
>At best, we can say that some homophobic men may be aroused by homosexual imagery
Don't know about you but that sounds pretty gay to me. The only way I imagine watching gay porn would make me anxious is if I was worried I was gonna pop a boner. Anxiety and disgust are not the same reaction.

>>15130446
>He, if there is a risk of getting a disease and not procreating, yes it literally is an evolutionary disadvantage.
The fact that oral sex exists and is as popular as it is throughout all cultures, shows you're literally full of shit. If it was disadvantageous it would've died out or it would only exist in a few cultures instead of being something universally practiced. You drank the Christian "non-reproductive sexual acts are haram" koolaid and now you're trying to make it fit into your infantile understanding of evolution. It exists, therefore it was advantageous at one point. The matter is trying to figure out how exactly it was advantageous, not try and deny it.
>if sex is about procreation, why do blowjobs exist??? checkmate
This is literally a Christian anti-evolutionist argument. The answer is: humans evolved to like blowjobs *for some reason*. To deny this is is to deny evolution itself.

>>15130475
>Yes, but it does not benefit YOUR survival to be condemnatory towards those who do participate in it. All you have to do is not engage in it, and not give a shit about what anyone else does. Besides, I think most people would agree that the total avoidance of risk inevitably breeds the most delicate and neurotic type of person (which, in your aversion to sex acts in general, I think we can say with some confidence that that is exactly the sort of person you are). Your justification is entirely irrational, and not only that, its made you into a weak-willed sop in the process.
I find it funny how you pretend you are the victim being attacked, when no its not the other way around, because I am not a victim, but you get my point.

Anyway, out of here, kinda think its sad seeing all these sex people trying to justify themselves to me.

>>15130432
lol

>>15130442
FATALITY

>>15130502
>I find it funny how you pretend you are the victim being attacked
Nigga who the fuck is talking about victimhood? I'm talking about whether or not your serious risk-aversion is actually an evolutionary disadvantage, because often those who refuse to take risks will be far less successful.

>Anyway, out of here
Thus confirming your cowardly, neurotic approach to anything, even dialogue. Imagine thinking only in terms of evolutionary advantage and yet being too risk-averse to procreate lmao

>>15130406
I'm the guy who psoted the homophobe thing and I do think that's a good critique, because people with OCD commonly exhibit genital stimulus to things that cause anxiety (but which they aren't sexually aroused by).

women are pretty

>>15130753
True. Many such cases

>>15130031
I get turned on by men but fags still disgust me and I’d never have gay sex for that reason and because it’d shame my family. There is no hypocrisy, it should be rooted out

>>15130942
she is kinda meh

>>15131057
cuck

>>15130092
>Why do people think that people against gays are secretly gay
Its a massive cope by dumbasses. By assuming anyone against (thing you like) secretly likes (think you like) you have effectively crafted an understanding of the world in which no one truly disagrees with you.
I think it comes from the fact the plebeians, by nature, have a need to blindly follow cultural mores and get painfully confused if they are getting conflicting messages. They cope by telling themselves that there isn't actually a conflicting message.

>hate spiders
>you must secretly want to be a spider

>>15131131
>false equivalency

>>15131383
it has the same internal logic

>>15131402
We have studies though >>15130236

>>15130725
Sounds like OCD sufferers are pretty gay too.

>>15131111
>plebeians, by nature, have a need to blindly follow cultural mores
Yes, homophobia is indeed a cultural more, it is only in the last 40 years that the attitude has started to change. the "default" is still homophobia, however, if we're speaking about humans in general and not just the west

butts

>>15131709
Oh god I'm– I'm gonna– I'm gonnaaa uuuughh COOOOOOOOMMMMM

>>15130031
Don't like spiders? Must mean you want to fuck 'em

>>15130031
there is no such thing as 'gay sex', these people don't have sex, they virtue signal and engage in shrill politically correct activities at the behest of george soros the DNC and their cultural marxist professors.

>>15131750
see
>>15130236
we've been over this already, nigger. You think you're the first person to drag out this dead horse of a meme and continue to flog it?

>>15130092
It's essentially the over-intellectualized equivalent of a "I know you are but what am I?" or it's shorthand "no u". It's just a gaslighting tactic, and it's been a mainstay of the left since it was introduced by Freud. and it's effective in that any attempt to address the accusation in good faith will invariably sound like a defensive cope.

>>15131842
Ignore that and

>>15130031
>YAAS KWEEN SLAY! so. diverse. and progressive! so. vulnerable. and. marginalized! muh politically correct victim lifestyle is subversive and edgy despite being aggresively promoted by all major capitalist corporations. le virtue signal! muh cultural marxist normalisation of pedophilia!

anyone else unironically HATE these freaks? leftists have merely replaced christ on the cross with a pink haired faggot on a wheelchair. same old slave morality. the queer won't grant me eternal life or even forgive me for the sins of my bigoted white male ancestors, so i'd say it'd be pretty funny if we could get together two planks of wood and a bucketful of nails and actually crucify that fucker for real.

>>15131826
>durrr read my p-hacked psychology journal
All fetishes are derived from feelings of genuine emotional discomfort interbred with involuntary arousal.

>>15131866
nice ressentiment...

>>15131909
So you're saying homophobes have a fetish for homosexual pornography?

>>15131935
cultural marxism is the state religion of the west, basically christianity deprived of all its aesthetic and theological import, reduced to you must feel pity and guilt for the victim classes.

>>15131971
>cultural marxism is the state religion of the west
>attaches a photo of literal corporations pandering to LGBT as evidence of said marxism

someone's been binging Jordan Peterson videos

>>15132010
leftists and faggots are effectively the enforcers of the corporate culture of consumerism and conformity. Jordan Peterson deradicalises nonconformist young white men into establishment zionism and liberalism, the fact that he frightens the queer lobby and the radical left by stating things that were common sense only ten years ago only shows how deranged people are. tell me why do all leftists and lgbt people complain ceaselessly about suffering from rick and morty reddit basedface depression and anxiety why are literally all of these people mentally ill? what gives them the right to tell us how to live our lives? what have these people ever done beyond getting fucked in the ass?

>>15131402
no it doesn't. I am afraid of heights. Do i want to be a kilometer? Or do i want to fuck a mile? It's funny how you still using that spider argument when it's obviously retarded. I guess it calms your mind lol. Phobies have different causes. When it comes to homophobia, and i mean /pol/ like homophobia when you're obsessed with gays and not just not like them and avoid them, then repressed gayism is literally the only explanation. We have tons of real life evidence supporting this. Everyone knows a hardcore homophobe who turned out to be gay eventually. And we have this too https://gayhomophobe.com/

>>15132182
we also have a book Sodome by Martel

>>15132056
>leftists and faggots are effectively the enforcers of the corporate culture of consumerism and conformity.
Do you not see why its retarded to even call them "leftists" anymore,? You're buying into a left-right dichotomy that isn't even relevant at this point, and muddying the waters when you could just call them straight up what they actually are - neoliberals.

>>15132056
>what have these people ever done beyond getting fucked in the ass?
start with the greeks..

>>15132056
>>15132259
the terms "left" and "right" are the biggest spook to ever exist. i said one time in my courses that you can be both a nationalist and a socialist at the same time, as stalin and hoxha did it, then some guy said you can't because nationalism is right and socialism is left.

i hate americans.

>>15132056
Unironically this. All leftists ever do is run defense for the corporate, progressive elite while simultaneously claiming to oppose them. The elite has effectively inoculated themselves against all hostility from the left by surrounding themselves in a meat shield of lumpenprole interest groups that the left would dare not criticize, which ironically also redirects the anger of the left towards working class people who tend to oppose the degeneracy being foisted upon them from above.

They're the definition of a useful idiot.