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>>15128769
>The idea of moral existence is fixed in the minds of all men, one must therefore conclude that true morality exists
wrong

Christian morality derives from Greek metaphysics of presence

>>15128769
Cope

>>15128769
If the idea of moral existence is fixed in the minds of all men why is there so much disagreement about it? And why would we need God if all of us had the same fixed idea of morality? You could just say evolution did it. The problem is that there is no fixed idea of morality so people default to looking for some authority to prop theirs up. But this totally misses the point, why is it moral to follow authority?

>>15128769
>the fact that the idea of moral existence is fixed in the minds of all men
It is not, ever heard of psychopaths? Many people are completely amoral.

>>15128788
>why is there so much disagreement about it?
disagreement about it usually comes from conflict. fighting over ideology and resources, consolidating and opposing other tribes. in other words it's dishonesty, immorality that makes disagreement.

>>15128795
I definitely disagree with christian bigotry towards homosexuals. There is no fixed idea in everyone's mind about that

>>15128788
There's disagreement over which morality is correct, but I don't think many people would argue that morality itself doesn't exist beyond a few fedora wearing teenagers who skimmed through Nietzsche or Stirner.

>>15128769
How does one know what the will of God is?
Any source of (even absolute) religious truth would still need to be interpreted by fallible humans.
Is it all just religious opinions?

>>15128809
that's an issue not a moral and christians are literally all about tolerance and love, so this made up bigotry of yours doesn't exist. and no american fundamentalists are not christians or representative. it's not a moral question but a social one. it has social implications and so is asking how you want society to be. morals influence this but neither are morals themselves.

>>15128769
>a priori of the material world
>a prori
>based upon virtue

>>15128843
I don't know where you live but christians are definitely not all about tolerance and love. Even the Bible says people go to hell for not believing. That's about as intolerant and hateful as you can get

>>15128809
>>15128890
Gross. People disagree because some are mentally ill, some refuse to accept reality, etc. For example you have been so influened by liberal capitalism that you see homosexuality as a good thing. You're either mentally ill or refuse to accept reality, preferring to stick to ideology.

>>15128912
And some people believe in a old man in the sky telling them what to do. The point is there is no fixed idea of morality like op claimed

>>15128915
Are you retarded? Are you illiterate. Let's read the OP.
>Given this, but also considering the fact that the idea of moral existence is fixed in the minds of all men, one must therefore conclude that true morality exists but derives its source not within the universe, but without.
>the idea of moral existence
Is he saying that everyone agrees with everything all the time? Are you retarded? This means that the idea of moral existence, of morality, is in everyone's head.
Let me give you an example. Flat earthers and schizos say the earth is flat. You would say "well guys, looks like people disagree. guess there's no room for objectivity here".

>>15128938
Flat earthers have an idea of what the earth looks like and so does modern science. What would you say the fixed idea of what the earth looks like in people's minds is? I would say there is no fixed idea of what the earth looks like as demonstrated by the two different views just listed

>>15128956
you're missing the point so hard it hurts

>>15128956
To use your example, there's no fixed idea of what the Earth looks like, but there is a fixed idea that the Earth itself exists

>>15128961
A specific sense of morality is not universal. Does everyone have a certain idea of how they think things should be done? Of course but this is almost the definition of subjectivity.

>>15128967
I deny that the earth exists. We're all floating on islands in an infinite ocean. There is no innate idea of astronomy just like there is no innate idea of morality. It's learned

I love how christcucks and moral fags are always clapping each other on the back with "based". If you adhere to any kind of morality, then you are not based - you are an enslaved little bitchboy faggot.

>>15128984
ah yes, trannies and homos are the real based ones

>>15129000
And this about the level of christian discourse. Tribalism and scapegoating combined with Stockholm syndrome towards an imaginary being

>>15129014
I'm not a Christian

>>15129040
I am one so I should know how stupid they are

>your system of morality is only valid if you follow jew god

>>15128769
>Ethical systems based upon virtue, deontology, or utility fall immediately fall apart and contradict themselves once they move away from the simplistic, hypothetical thought experiments upon which they are based (...). Consider, as an example, Kant's axe murderer
Where's the contradiction? Kant gives a clear answer to that question.

>>15129000
How full of resentment you are.

>>15128769
Incredibly and inconceivably based

>>15128769
>All systems of morality that arise solely and a priori of the material world are nonsensical.

>>15129197
>Kant gives a clear answer to that question.
OH NO NO NO NO NO