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probably read philosophy instead of asking "how do i read philosophy" on 4chan

>>15124300
I guess you would have to read immensely. And have someone more knowledgeable by your side, like a mentor to help you progress.

>>15124300
for an introductory text in philosophy - Robert Paul Wollf "About Philosophy"
learn basic formal logic and rules of argumentation
if you have any particular topic you're more interested in - read something about it on SEP (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)
once you're done with that start with the Greeks - first mythology and history of ancient Greece, then pre-Socratics etc.

considering historiographical research on the history of philosophy is extensive, the hard sciences are developing at an overwhelming rate and that pos-posmodern philoophy is incomprehensible and irrelevant, it's impossible for a single individual to develop a original or even complex philosophical system.

>>15124300
There are many ways you can do it, I would say that what will help most is to have familiarity with contemporary problems in philosophy, along with a good grounding in traditions of philosophy.

Essentially you need to know what to solve and have the inspiration to solve it.

>>15124300

1) your picture is not Kant

2) read Guenon, individual philosophical "systems" are all inherently flawed and wrong by definition

>>15124371
how does the development of science make it impossible to create an original philosophy? Should future philosophers have an advanced knowledge of the sciences?

you are 21, go and do something in the world, THEN read philosophy, then you will be able to merge the thoughts of other men with your own original experience --> original philosophy

if you just consume books, this will go nowhere original thats for sure.

>>15124386
>read Guenon

This

>>15124300
>theorizing a complex/original philosophical system
philosophical system building is a waste of time.

>>15124300
Cringe. See pic related.
>>15124386
>>15125003
>>15125041
Based.
>>15124988
>original "philosophy"
Cringe.
>>15124326
>progress
Cringed.
>>15124300
>I'm a 21 year old with ample means and time
Then recognize the errors of your ways and turn to the truth.

>>15124300
You should seek truth instead.
The reward is much greater.

>>15124300
imagine having nine years of your life to spend on an endeavor and using it to study philosophy instead.

learn physics, you useless cunt. maybe you'll get somewhere.

>>15124300
>goals: complex and original
>not truth
KYS

>>15125367
>physics
Will stop existing as we know it when the Hour comes. Modernist physics is a scam.

>>15125519
I would be interested in knowing why it will stop existing exactly, since I have a phd in physics and all.

>>15125541
Post-fall physics as we know it will be fixed and thus not work the same way in the world to come. I guess you could study the new physics of that world but the danger is too high to get drawn into various materialist nonsense while we are here, so you'll never get to see the next world in its full glory.

>>15124300
>pseud: the post
this is lame
you don't get to just plan being a genius. you're just passionate about something, have some discipline to study the subject in-depth, and some creativitity and intuition to come with new ideas that are relevant to today's world
if you're just gonna be like "uhmm yeah I'm gonna make a philosophical system in 10 years". you're not gonna make it with that attitude

>>15125578
are you high ? physics cant radically change, that is its nature, it can only reveal that our current understanding is an approximation for the true laws of physics, e.g. netwon to quantum mechanics.

>>15125578
Pls tell me more about the post fall

>>15125881
i think he means stephen wolfram's post of discovering a pathway to a fundamental theory in physics (which is like the biggest thing in physics ever or something like that)

>>15125897
Oh that gay shit? Idk maybe I’m too brain let to get it but it seems stupid.

>>15125095
holy shit that post summarizes my problem so well is guenon more than just a meme? im already muslim on paper.

>>15125519
>>15125578
> he says, on a computer created through the efforts of countless physical scientists and mathematicians
have some respect, boy. if it weren't for this modernist scam, you'd be the village idiot right now instead of bullshitting people online.

>>15125897
do not speak on that which you have no knowledge

>>15125910
you're unknowingly right and you're unafraid to admit you're a brainlet. unironically the second most based person in this thread, but don't get too happy because the standard here is abysmal

>>15125541
>>15125867
never steer from the true path, my brother. we will educate these simpletons yet

>>15124300
>kant
not gonna make it

>>15126118
i speak of anything i want you dumb retard
this is fucking 4 chan, you think i'm gonna shut up just because a random nigger tells me to?

>>15126202
your problem is that you haven't yet learned your place. you are a plebeian and you should feel ashamed of yourself.

>>15126118
I’d rather be the village idiot. Fuck computers and fuck money and fuck science. After this post I’m destroying my pc

>>15126118
based though. I’m destroying my pc now

>>15125925
> is guenon more than just a meme?
yes

>>15125618
I mean you're right, I am studying it in depth. I just like to ask this from time to time because occasionally people have interesting ideas

>>15126479
Keep it up bro. Even if you fail you’ll learn lots.

>>15124300
>I have read a little bit in the history of philosophy and literature, but for the sake of this exercise just assume I'm starting from nothing.
Well you're not going to succeed in this then, because philosophy isn't something you can just half-ass in or neglect the serious, substantial reading.

>>15124300
That picture is not of Kant but of Jacobi

This is a picture of Kant

>>15124300
you're going to want to combine fields. i suggest a grounding in pure mathematics and game theory to go with the greeks and philosophy. and at the very least you'll want to add computer science and consider the implications of television. this won't even take you up to the year you were born, but you'll have a much firmer foundation of reasoning through which you can find insight into the problems of the age. and in the meantime i suggest you get comfy with the implications of internet balkanization and crypto-currency. it's almost comical how unprepared people are for what is so obviously coming

>>15126608
>this idiot hasn't taken into consideration neo-Queer deterritorialization and neural web monads

>>15124300
If you really have that much time and motivation, you'd be better off learning a language or two.

>>15124300
>I want to be capable of theorizing a complex/original philosophical system by the time I'm 30
This is a backwards goal. No philosopher who theorized an original system did so because they woke up one day and decided that might be a neat thing to do. They theorized an original system because they were struck with original thoughts and were compelled to communicate them.
Unless you want to do this more as an artistic personal project then yeah, just read philosophy.

You'll have a better time with philosophy and better your chances of original thought if you refine your interests to be more purely concerned with learning and letting that be the desired accomplishment. And as you study philosophy you very, very quickly get a sense of what track you want to be on, because there are many for different sorts of temperaments.

A broad and comprehensive survey of western philosophy, in my opinion, would be this:

Heraclitus, Parmenides, Plato, Aristotle, Aquinas, Descartes, Hobbes, Locke, Leibniz, Hume, Spinoza Kant, Hegel, Schopenhauer, Kierkegaard, Marx, Nietzsche, William James, Heidegger, Wittgenstein, Quine, and at least one or two other continentals.

Unavoidable Essentials: Plato, Aristotle, Descartes, Hume, Kant, Hegel.

Philosophers that most benefit the interest in system building:
Plato, Leibniz, Spinoza, Kant, Hegel, Schopenhauer, Deleuze

Philosophers that might sober you from the interest in system building:
Hume, Nietzsche, William James, Wittgenstein

But yeah again there are many threads in the philosophical tradition, you'll figure out what you like. I recommend taking philosophers you resonate with and looking at who they influenced.