/lit/ - Literature

>>15102018

>>15102018
>>15102053

And you fell for another scammer who didn't know anything

>>15102065
How? He never had anything to offer, zero

>>15102018
>There is no such thing as enlightenment.
You couldn't be more right and wrong at the same time.

>>15102053
really fucking lightpilled

>>15102074
Question: I was told by people who are around you that when this "calamity" befell you, you couldn't recognise even ordinary things. You were asking like a new-born child, "What is this?" Even if there was a flower in front of you, you did not know if that was a flower. Then you would ask, "What is this?" And the Swiss lady who was keeping house for you, who was looking after you, Valentine, said "This is a flower." Then you would ask again, "What is this?" You mean to say that at the time when the calamity took place, all recognition was gone?

U.G.: Not only then, but even now, as I said, this is a state of "not knowing". Since the memory is there in the background, it begins to operate when there is a demand for it. That demand is created by an outside agency, because there is no entity here. There is no centre here. There is no self here. There is no Atman here. There is no soul here at all. You may not agree. You may not accept it, but that unfortunately happens to be a fact. The totality of thoughts and feelings is not there. But in you there is an illusion that there is a totality of your feelings and thoughts. This human organism is responding to the challenges from outside. You are functioning in the sphere – so, thousands and thousands, perhaps millions and millions of sensations are bombarding this body. Since there is no centre here, since there is no mind here, since there is nothing here, what is it that is happening? What is happening here is that this human organism is responding to the challenges, or to the stimuli, if I may put it that way. So, there is nobody here who is translating these sensations in terms of past experiences. But there is a living contact with the things around. That is all that is there. One sensation after another is hitting this organism. And at the same time there is no co-ordinator here. This state of "not knowing" is not in relationship to your Brahman, or your Nirguna Brahman or Saguna Brahman or any such thing. This state of "not knowing" is in its relationship to the things that are there around you. You may be looking at a flower. You may think that it is a crazy state. Perhaps it is – I don't know. You do not know what you are looking at. But when there is a demand for that – and that demand always comes from outside, asking what is that, and then the knowledge, the information that is there, locked up in this organism comes and says that it is a rose, that this is a microphone, that's a man, that's a woman, and so on and so forth. This is not because there is a drive from inside, but the outside challenge brings out this answer. So, I say that this action is always taking place outside of this organism, not inside.

>>15102088
Why do you mean cunt?

>>15102053
If you out to Buddhists that enlightenment presuposes a self they will throw all kinds of sophisms at you. Then after they've been defeated they will resort to the claim that Buddhism doesn't deal with metaphysics because it doesn't lead to enlightenment.

>>15102145
point* out

>>15102145
Buddhism of course does deal with metaphysics all the time, only when someone points out the mass of contradictions, non sequiturs and appeals to authority does it recoil back into its shell and calls those who do "disputators" and "holders of views"

>>15102145
Yes.

Q: Meditation seems less repetitive, deeper than ordinary thought. Yet it is unsatisfying.

U.G.: If your meditations, sadhanas, methods and techniques meant anything, you wouldn't be here asking these questions. They are all means for you to bring about change. I maintain that there is nothing to change or transform. You accept that there is something to change as an article of faith. You never question the existence of the one who is to be changed. The whole mystique of enlightenment is based upon the idea of transforming yourself. I cannot convey or transmit my certainty that you and all the authorities down through the centuries are false. They and the spiritual goods they peddle are utterly false. Because I cannot communicate this certainty to you it would be useless and artificial for me to get up on a platform and hold forth. I prefer to talk informally; I just talk, "Nice meeting you."

>>15102095
light as in enlightened also the opposite of blackpilled
What i'm saying is , he's right because I did that everything. Enlightenment is realizing there is no enlightenment, but in the way and meaning Krishnamurti says it.

>>15102176
Yes. UG was lucky, if only the haters knew, it's akin to a miracle, the odds are so absurd. I applaud the man.

>>15102072
and you still believed him

>>15102234
Not out of choice, but because I know

Ironically I realized it was all horseshit in a Vipassana silent medetation retreat. 'Liberation' from self and reincarnation started to sound a lot like suicide. We were all 'working' hard for what Atheists think they get for free after death, plus they don't have to sacrifice their whole life on medetation.

What is this Ug krishnamirti cancer on /lit/ ? Is this an advertising company/cult thats infecting the board or what.

>>15102304
>associating UG with cults
kys

>>15102145
>enlightenment presuposes a self
this only leads to contradiction

>>15102348
The contradiction is the religions and spiritualists selling that to you

>>15102355
Yea I know that, you think I'm stupid enough to accept the unsubstantiated idea of 'Self'? cmon now

>>15102304
People actually finally read Conspiracy Against The Human Race which is why a bunch of the philosophers he mentioned in that book are showing up in threads.
This is a good thing. I'm happy to see people interested in more than memeing Guenon, Deleuze, Whitehead and to a lesser extent Nick Land (at least people read him).

>>15102360
It's inconceivable for majority of /lit/ users it seems they're averse to what you're saying extremely

>>15102241
You don't know and neither did he.

He was just another intellectual who thought he figured things out by thinking and became deluded.

>>15102348
>this only leads to contradiction
that's the point, your life is an illusion, you are a dream of the universe

>>15102395
Whatever helps you sleep at night

>>15102053
>>15102018
This stems from the confusion of Hinduism with Buddhism
For the Hindus, people have the knowledge that they have a true nature, but people are misguided on what they take as their true nature. This is why the Hindus say that people are already enlightened, they just do not know about it... The true nature of people is not the 5 senses or their objects, but the mind itself with theworld [loka] itself identified with the cosmos, or their deification of this, ie their Brahma or their Buddha or non-duality, and when people realize this they are enlightened. The way to realize this is by relying on lots of sacrifice, chantings and rituals, also on material objects which magically purify the minds for them, like sounds, logic, mantras, little beads, amulets.

It is only when there is a alledgedly good creator [a god or just ''nature''] that it makes sense to ask the usual question ''why the cosmos produce things which do not know that they are the cosmos?'' ie ''why some good god did not get people to be born directly enlightened? instead of being born unenlightened which produces lots of suffering?''
So far the Hindus have no answer to this ''problem of evil''. The Hindus keep replying with their main thesis, ie ''because people do not know their true nature, which is pure being and cannot be described'' and that's their answer...

in Buddhism, there is no non-duality, people do not have a true nature, people are not the cosmos, people are not Brahma, people do not come from Brahma, people are not nibanna, people do not come from nibanna, people are not Buddha, people do not come from a buddha, people are not their mind, people are not loka, people are not born already enlightened. In Buddhism there is only craving for pretty things and the pretty ideas of having ''a true nature'' and there is a lack of craving for pretty things and pretty ideas. People get enlightened when they stop craving for those. The way to get enlightened is to purify the mind, however not with useless chantings and rituals nor with magical objects, unlike the Hindus do, but with the mind itself, ie all the time inclining [with the mind] the mind towards what the buddha calls good qualities and then directly knowing the mind as it really is, which is anicca, dukkha, anatta [contrary to what the hindus say], which is the condition for dispassion, dispassion which is the condition for liberation, liberation which is the condition for direct knowledge that dukkha is ended.

>>15102018
Isn’t that the kind of the point of enlightenment, to be no such thing?

>>15102451
Well nah. The point of it to most people who search for it is everlasting piece and infinite understanding. At worst you waste your whole life's potential sitting in some monistary trying not to fart too loud. Hoping that one day your thoughts will cease and a shining light pierces through your chakras and you revert back to the eternal dmt trip outside time meanwhile grand theft auto san andreases mission complete song emminates from your human. But this doesn't happen, and if it does then not for long, and you probably should call a doctor. Turns out life is just all the boring stuff you dont rly want to face done right.

>>15102548
kek

I follow western enlightenment, which generally means smarter and having more control over the elements.

>>15102395
He specifically stopped that entirely, which is what his whole Calamity deal was about.
He's anti-consciousnsss.

How to be enlightened without being religious. Basically how do I be happy and free from my thoughts?

>>15102874
What wants to be happy and free from thought is the problem, is the impediment. Get lost and stay lost! >>15102053

>>15102018
No need for ressentiment anon. Just because you don't meditate doesn't mean you should discourage others. Hundreds of people everyday get enlightened thanks to meditative traditions

>>15102890
But my thoughts are scary and make me sad. I have ocd but I can’t get treatment

>>15102898
Meditation is evil and burlesque >>15102053

>>15102018
plagiarist budha vs og chad Kapila

>>15102909
You've obviously never meditated. Meditation brings about wonderful states of bliss (jhanic absorption) and insight into no-self which Krishnamurti talks so much about.

>>15102916
did someone say plagiarism?

>>15102907
I'm not sure what to say in your current situation at this time. I will share this, while extreme, give it a study, Jung said excellent things about this man I'd hat matters
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-enquiry_(Ramana_Maharshi)

>>15102898
Just came back from Vipassana and have been doing yoga near daily since childhood.

>>15102923
You're drunk, that's okay I was once like that.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=WwGjkuFW0cY

>>15102926
Alright thank you. I don’t know why I’m doing this on /lit/ and in this thread but I guess I’ve got no one else to tell this too. My brain keeps trying make me feel like I’m an awful person and keeps telling me I’m a pedophile and stuff. I just keep getting thoughts saying ‘you’re a pedo’ ‘you should kill yourself’ and it’s terrifying. I obviously don’t have any kind of attraction to kids. I’ll read that now anon.

>>15102018

>>15102940
Can't tell if troll or not sounds absurd. If real, don't give attention to it, don't engage with it, let it pass, if it's really bad I don't know

>>15102449
>in Buddhism, there is no non-duality,
>In Buddhism there is only craving for pretty things and the pretty ideas of having ''a true nature'' and there is a lack of craving for pretty things and pretty ideas.
I am sensing a problem

>>15102953
Not a troll. Yeah it’s pretty terrifying. It’s actually quite common with ocd. Thanks anon.

>>15102962
you're a pedo and deserve to kys

>>15102962
If you're really a p3do kys

>>15102953
>>15102940
Ah nvm, i see what youre doing, you're obviously a pedo faggot, off yourself you piece of shit

>>15102940
Leave this thread freak

>>15102833
He came to that conclusion just by thinking. He is no more than a street shitter nihilist

>>15102973
>>15102985
>>15102992
>>15103000
Google POCD... it’s a real thing

>>15102018
It's not an intellectual thing. It's like saying there's no such thing as happiness because you read a bunch of books by charaltans who said you could get happy if you rolled around on the ground long enough.

>>15103035
>He came to that conclusion just by thinking
No he didn't you have idea what you're talking about
>he was a nihilist
Again, you have no idea what you're talking about he was not a nihilist

>>15102973
>>15102985
>>15102992
Imagine being this much of an asshole. Pedophile ocd is a real thing, I studied psychology in university. OCD isn’t just ‘ooo I like things to be tidy’. Some forms of ocd make people think they’re the worst person possible and overthink tiny things when they’re really not. In this guys case the brain is making him he’s a pedophile. You probably just made his thoughts a lot worse. Good job.

>>15103064
*making him think

>>15103064
Couldn't tell if he was actually one and just doing it to troll

>>15103064
Thank you.
>>15103080
I’m not.. I probably just worded it wrong but obviously I’m not attracted to kids and the thought of that kind of stuff disgusts and angers me. The fact CP exists make me feel sick to my stomach and obviously I don’t have any sexual thoughts about them. I think actual offending pedos should be given the death penalty.

>>15102924
bitch you ain't even read any hindu text, iskcon bhangi

>>15102018
Enlightment is when you realise there is no meaning behind anything. You die, it means nothing, you achieve something, it means nothing, you sit in your empty room, it means nothing, someone says something, it means nothing, everything has a purpose in this world, except existence. A chair's purpose is so you can sit on it, but you needing to sit means nothing, the chair's existence in the first place is redundant.

>>15103052
He was and he did. He had some negative interactions with people like Ramana Maharishi and decided religion was all BS, so he went on raging against it until he died like a western fedoratard

>>15103111
I always love the UG seething because if only you knew how wrong you are

>>15103116
You're just a dumb white Boi who read a book and thinks he's found the truth like many other before

>>15103123
UG did it, you never will so that makes me happy

>>15103129
He didn't do anything because according to him there is nothing to do, whitoid.

>>15103194
That's true, there is nothing, but his calamity was 100% real. Tell me more faggot

>>15103035
>>15103194
>He came to that conclusion just by thinking
God you're a fucking retard who should just quit while you're ahead

>>15102291
The benefits of meditation are tranquility and peace.

>>15103206
It's simple really. He was just another dumb intellectual who read too much and became a nihilist, and had bad experience with religion so he hated it

>>15103244
Just stop. You can't handle him it's OK I remember the days I couldn't understand him and the days I was a Vedanta fag

>>15103258
so tell me how he isn't a nihilist?

>>15102121
fucking based

>>15103267
If we're going to classify him as anything at all out of pure necessity ill call him a bulldozer, pragmatic, fearless, etc while calling him a nihilist is easy, it misrepresents UG, UG cannot be put in a box, if you want to call him a nihilist because of his polemical nature go ahead, but he was fully himself, stripped of content, he was a natural man, in the natural state, he never advocated dropping out of society like some nihilists do, UG always was very practical given the moment, non-ideological

>>15103290
so was a passive nihilist like Stirner?

>>15103258
You and he obviously were trying to figure things out rationally and were incapable, and also never had any experiences of higher consciousness and have become bitter about it. So you both rage against this idea of enlightenment you have as a way for your ego to feel superior, which is probably what you wanted out of enlightenment. I feel sorry for you both.

>>15103302
*so he was an active nihilist like Stirner?
fuck im retarded

>>15103302
No, not a Strinercuck. If you get from listening to UG and debasing him to a nihilist that's silly, but do you.
>>15103303
Get off your high horse you spiritual faggot you're so drunk it hurts. "Higher states of consciousness" those peculiar experiences are nothing anon, just another illusion, the experiencer/experience dichotomy still persists so it along with all experience is false. Go read more Eckhart Tolle while you shove more crystals up your ass.

>>15103328
>the experiencer/experience dichotomy still persists

No it doesn't , that's why it's called non dual


Again I feel sorry for you. So angry. Show me on the doll where the guru touched you.

>>15102348
if there is no self there is nobody who can experience enlightenment and it will be unattainable

>>15103344
If there is no self then there is no one for whom there is no enlightenment

>>15102898
>Hundreds of people everyday get enlightened thanks to meditative traditions
there is no evidence that a single buddhist has ever reached enlightenment

>>15103328
how Stirner is a cuck?

>>15103349
If there is no self there is no one for whom there is no lobotomized mental retardation

>>15103340
>No it doesn't , that's why it's called non dual
It subsides totally, then the organism functions totally naturally pic related
>Again I feel sorry for you. So angry. Show me on the doll where the guru touched you.
Okay Freud, anger is a natural thing, a burst of energy, it's hard not to be angry

>>15103363
I don't mind Striner
>>15103366
No thoughts of your own, no desires of your own, no experiences of your own, just neurons, again where is this entity running the show? Where?

>>15102770
western enlightenment is sitting in a big CEO leather chair on top of your glass and cement monument as you gaze across other towers of glass and cement while feeling a big white cocaine shit boiling in your stomach.

>>15103389
Westerners are so delusional. Psychosis is the strongest in the West.

>>15102291
Worst part about it is that the atheists are correct. If suffering arises from duality the only escape is death because non existence is the ultimate singularity. Even if reincarnation exists, whatever your definition is, it won't matter because the ego is a new one and 'you' have already been liberated.

>>15103393
>implying easterns aren't deep into westerner value system

>>15103380
>again where is this entity running the show?
awareness

>>15102053
He was on the right path but took a detour, his conclusion is wrong

>>15102874
start with the greeks

>>15103410
It's one movement devoid of any effort or noneffort, machine like

>>15103417
Incorrect he was 100% correct.

Nirvana is found in anti-natalism. Have you people never played dark souls?

>>15103427
The belief that there is no self and the subsequent rejection thereof is the ultimate machination of the egoistical self

>>15103449
Try again, he never said "I am free from the self", its the recognition that it is non existent, that the "I" is not a real entity. The rejection comes suddenly like a lightening bolt. There is no entity running the show, the show is running itself. This is quite clear.

yes you are correct but why it's take you so long to figure this out

>>15103466
You remain aware of everything that the show is doing and that your body and mind are doing even if there is no ego involved, and that very awareness is the self

>>15103466
Mustn't this necessarily apply to the self-in-reality? That is, the self as defined by phenomena

>>15103482
Awareness still presupposes something, an entity of some sort. I get what you mean and are saying, this isn't even worth arguing since what we discussing right here is incompressible and language runs up against walls with this

>>15103508
When we are talking about the self here we are talking about the "I" thought which is your operating system more or less. Anything else is irrelevant.

>>15103408
diseases can spread, what else is new

>>15102304
Like all sudden and conspicuously popular figures on /lit/, it is the work of a single autist. Krishnamitirifag has been spamming periodically for years. Best to just ignore him.

>>15103645
>why yes I share and talk aboit UG Krishnamurti on /lit/ how could you tell?

>>15102121
Marx be Seething at this.

>>15103397
The individual soul is the dumbest meme of all time, and appropriately enough, the most persistent.

>>15103410
Awareness is a brain function. It models attention, in order for you to functionally calculate situations in real time. It's a caricature artist, a pathological liar.
Why is white light percieved as low color and high intensity? We know it's the muddiest mix of colors. Yet because it's functionally efficient to keep food in your belly, awareness makes the lie.
Why the fuck would you trust a liar to tell you what's what?

>>15102018
>reeeee never improve goyim!

the kikes are seething