/lit/ - Literature

>>15099495
There's just a guy here that is obcessed with Guenon, shills him till kingdom come. You can read his stuff, its fine. Not world changing, but interesting work.

>>15099526
Is it really just one guy or small group of posters? I've seen large threads with this fag's face as OP many times ove

>>15099526
This. Guenon himself is a good writer, there's just a guy here who can't take anyone disagreeing with him so he became infamous for flying off the handle and lashing out by spamming/flooding and samefagging. The more people criticized the guy for being a lunatic, the more he tried to fight back by being twice as crazy as before.

There are real Guenon readers who try to talk to the crazy guy and he either doesn't respond or openly taunts them. He isn't even a troll, he's just dug himself such a deep hole that he can't get out. If you ignore his spam he usually stops after a few hours, a day or two at most. Then you only have to tolerate his occasional obvious samefagging.

>>15099539
A couple people have joined him over the years, usually as a joke, but yes it's one main guy doing the vast majority of it

>>15099495
He's an ok introduction to various esoteric aspects of traditional religions. That whole subject is just a clusterfuck tbqh

and yes he's a meme on here, the original guenonfag know seems to have a little crew of followers

Guenonfag here, AMA

>>15099574
What are you?

>>15099539
I'm guilty of shitposting using Guenon's picture from time to time, but I stopped once I realized the guy who started it is dead serious about it.

I should read one of Guenon's books to redeem myself.

>>15099582
handsome, tall, erudite, refined, clever and popular with the ladies

He's worth reading if you're into his sort of thing but Guenonposter is hopelessly delusional if he thinks he can convince the Tradcaths and commies that fight over this board to take Eastern philosophy seriously.

>>15099595
Based

>>15099595
Fucking autism

>>15099691
cope

>>15099495
Of course it’s a troll.

>>15099604
>Guenonposter is hopelessly delusional if he thinks he can convince the Tradcaths and commies that fight over this board to take Eastern philosophy seriously.
I don't have to convince them of anything, I just have to get them to read Guenon, and then if as long as those who do so posses a modicum of intelligence and insight the truth of his sublime words will dawn on them

>>15100096
Are you one of those niggas that hang out in touristy city areas trying to get people to “donate” in return for “free” books on eastern woo

>>15100134
only Hare Krishnas do that, I'm not one of them and I don't have much interest in their writings or philosophy

>>15099526
no it's garbage. not even real philosophy

>>15099604
Guenon makes a case against atheism which is of value for any Christian.

>>15100193
>real philosophy
i hope youre kidnapped and tortured by someone until you can define what this means

>>15100193
>not even real philosophy
Exactly, as the great sage Rene Guenon shows in his writings, 'philosophy' as understood in the west is a degeneration of the primordial Tradition and has resulting in nothing but confusion and disarray

I wish there were an imageboard dedicated to mystical/religious/etc. discussion. Anonymity + people whose understanding of religion and tradition is greater than "dude Evola lmao"

>>15100222
Sounds like what Land was talking about in regards to philosophy being a medium to move increasingly towards the unknown.

>>15099495
>What the hell is the deal with this guy?

“René Guénon defies classification. . . . Were he anything less than a consummate master of lucid argument and forceful expression, his work would certainly be unknown to all but a small, private circle of admirers.”
—Gai Eaton, author of The Richest Vein

“Guénon established the language of sacred metaphysics with a rigor, a breadth, and an intrinsic certainty such that he compels recognition as a standard of comparison for the twentieth century.”
—Jean Borella, author of Guénonian Esoterism and Christian Mystery

“To a materialistic society enthralled with the phenomenal universe exclusively, Guénon, taking the Vedanta as point of departure, revealed a metaphysical and cosmological teaching both macrocosmic and microcosmic about the hierarchized degrees of being or states of existence, starting with the Absolute . . . and terminating with our sphere of gross manifestation.”
—Whitall N. Perry, editor of A Treasury of Traditional Wisdom

“René Guénon was the chief influence in the formation of my own intellectual outlook (quite apart from the question of Orthodox Christianity). . . . It was René Guénon who taught me to seek and love the truth above all else, and to be unsatisfied with anything else.”
—Fr. Seraphim Rose, author of The Soul After Death

“His mixture of arcane learning, metaphysics, and scathing cultural commentary is a continent in itself, untouched by the polluted tides of modernity. . . . Guénon’s work will not save the world—it is too late for that—but it leaves no reader unchanged.”
—Jocelyn Godwin, author of Mystery Religions in the Ancient World

“René Guénon is one of the few writers of our time whose work is really of importance. . . . He stands for the primacy of pure metaphysics over all other forms of knowledge, and presents himself as the exponent of a major tradition of thought, predominantly Eastern, but shared in the Middle Ages by the . . . West.”
—Walter Shewring, translator of Homer’s Odyssey

>>15101068

“In a world increasingly rife with heresy and pseudo-religion, Guénon had to remind twentieth century man of the need for orthodoxy, which presupposes firstly a Divine Revelation and secondly a Tradition that has handed down with fidelity what Heaven has revealed. He thus restores to orthodoxy its true meaning, rectitude of opinion which compels the intelligent man not only to reject heresy but also to recognize the validity of faiths other than his own if they also are based on the same two principles, Revelation and Tradition.”
—Martin Lings, author of Ancient Beliefs and Modern Superstitions

“If during the last century or so there has been even some slight revival of awareness in the Western world of what is meant by metaphysics and metaphysical tradition, the credit for it must go above all to Guénon. At a time when the confusion into which modern Western thought had fallen was such that it threatened to obliterate the few remaining traces of genuine spiritual knowledge from the minds and hearts of his contemporaries, Guénon, virtually single-handed, took it upon himself to reaffirm the values and principles which, he recognized, constitute the only sound basis for the living of a human life with dignity and purpose or for the formation of a civilization worthy of the name.”
—Philip Sherrard, author of Christianity: Lineaments of a Sacred Tradition

“Apart from his amazing flair for expounding pure metaphysical doctrine and his critical acuteness when dealing with the errors of the modern world, Guénon displayed a remarkable insight into things of a cosmological order. . . . He all along stressed the need, side by side with a theoretical grasp of any given doctrine, for its concrete—one can also say its ontological—realization failing which one cannot properly speak of knowledge.”
—Marco Pallis, author of A Buddhist Spectrum

“Guénon’s mission was two-fold: to reveal the metaphysical roots of the ‘crisis of the modern world’ and to explain the ideas behind the authentic and esoteric teachings that still [remain] alive.”
—Harry Oldmeadow, author of Traditionalism: Religion in the Light of the Perennial Philosophy

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>>15100193
unbased and bluepilled

>>15101073
idk if you are 'guenonfag' but is there any way i could have access to your copypastas, if they are copypastas. I have an interest in guenon and non-dualism and just want to read them. I am sincere, I genuinely find guenon interesting

>>15101295
guenonfag is shit for brains when it comes to guenon and indian philosophy, be very suspicious of anything he tells you. there are other better readers of guenon on /lit/. the whole reason guenonfag spazzes out is that he would regularly get owned any time someone who actually reads the shit he was talking about entered the thread.

>>15099495
discord . gg/vn25HAZ

THIS ENTIRE THREAD AND NOT A SINGLE (pbuh). SHAME ON YOU

>>15101303
>t. guenonfaggot falseflagging against himself
You always appear in these threads. Wonder why.... hmmm

>>15101295
What sort of copypastas do you mean my friend? Are you talking about quotes about Guenon (pbuh)? or book recommendations?

>>15101401
That's my stalker who has a homoerotic obsession with me, be nice to him please sometimes he has his moments

>>15101303
hylic cringe and cucked

>>15099604
>the Tradcaths and commies that fight over this board
I have rarely ever seen an actual Communist post on /lit/. The closest thing we've got to that is the 40+ year old dyke bitch that infests this board.

>>15100096
>I just have to get them to read Guenon
which you've failed to do for 2 years now

>>15101548
If you want to tell yourself that to make yourself feel better, than by all means. I'll have you known however that I've noticed an exponential rise in Guénon (pbuh) posting over time and I've been on /lit/ since 2012. Countless people have thanked me over the years for introducing them to the great sage. Most of the long-time denizens of this board who are not dumb materialists have read at least one book by him.

>>15101425
idk, i mean quotes about guenon, book recommendations, the whole shamoo, all you got so i can pick through it

>>15101634
okay no problem man I just have a few, here is one that I use when people call him stupid

>Guénon was a brainle-
He was proficient at Greek, Latin, English, Italian, German, Spanish, Sanskrit, Hebraic, Arabic and Chinese, was trained in mathematics and was extremely well-read in both eastern and western philosophy
>Guénon was a stupid posing larpe-
He was initiated into both a Vietnamese Taoist Triad as well as the al-'Arabiyya Shadhiliyya Sufi order, furthermore in all his writings he stressed the need for personal and genuine participation in whatever Traditions one aspired to follow. His acquaintances both Egyptian and western observed that he scrupulously followed Islamic observances during his life in Egypt
>Guénon was a literal non-entity, he was not influenti-
Among the many western philosophers, artists and authors who were influenced by him or who heaped praise on him include Carl Schmitt, Georges Bataille, Aleksander Dugin, Antonin Artaud, Olavo de Carvalho, André Breton, Mircea Eliade, Alain Danielou, Julius Evola, André Malraux, Albert Gleizes, René Daumal, Raymond Queneau, Paul Ackerman, Huston Smith, William Chittick, Steve Bannon, Harry Oldmeadow, James Cutsinger and Hossein Nasr. Furthermore as Nasr notes in his article 'The Influence of Rene Guenon in the Islamic World', Guénon is well-known and influential among the intelligentsia including traditional Islamic scholars in certain Islamic countries such in Turkey, Iran, Pakistan and Malaysia.
>Guénon just made a bunch of stupid and unjustified comparisons between religio-
To the contrary over the course of some twenty odd books he painstakingly and patiently elucidated the fundamental agreement between the metaphysics of Advaita Vedanta, Taoism, Sufism, Hermeticism and Christian esoterism, work that Coomaraswamy built on and further confirmed

>>15101632
>>15101632
you are an election tourists lol, you came here in 2017 and started sperging about 'theosophy shill'. Ever since then you've been samefagging yourself (as other anons have documented) in order to astroturf this board into thinking everyone is reading guenon when there is 0 discussion of his actual ideas and nothing but forced memes that didn't go anywhere.

It's a shame that actual traditionalist discussion has been killed off for good now, pre-2016 /lit/ contained myriad of meaningful threads about evola and guenon. So thanks a lot for ruining traditionalism for everyone!

>>15099495
I wish you would step back from that ledge, my friend
You could cut ties with all the lies that you've been living in
And if you do not want to see me again
I would understand
I would understand
The angry boy a bit too insane
Icing over a secret pain
You know you don't belong
You're the first to fight, you're way too loud
You're the flash of light on a burial shroud
I know something's wrong
Well everyone I know has got a reason
To say, "Put the past away"
I wish you would step back from that ledge, my friend
You could cut ties with all the lies that you've been living in
And if you do not want to see me again
I would understand
I would understand
Well, he's on the table and he's gone to code
And I do not think anyone knows
What they're doing here
And your friends have left you, you've been dismissed
I never thought it would come to this
And I, I want you to know
Everyone's got to face down the demons
Maybe today, you could put the past away
I wish you would step back from that ledge, my friend
You could cut ties with all the lies that you've been living in
And if you do not want to see me again
I would understand
I would understand
I would understand
Can you put the past away?
I wish you would step back from that ledge, my friend
I would understand

>>15101696
cringe...

>>15101634
Since you mentioned non-dualism, here is a short reading guide. You don't have to read Guénon's books to understand Hindu philosophy, but this is what I would recommend doing as I found them to be helpful and insightful. I would recommend beginning with Guénon's first book "Introduction to the Study of the Hindu Doctrines", then if you want to get into the non-dualism right away I would next read Guénon's book "Man and His Becoming According to the Vedanta", this second book teaches you most of the terminology you'll need to understand translated Vedantic texts. At this point you can keep reading Guénon or you can read non-dualism stuff or you can do both at the same.

Advaita Vedanta is the Hindu school of classic non-dualism that Guénon focuses on in his writings which is what I recommend studying first, although there are other non-dual schools with good writings too. Here is an example of a short but sublime Advaita text which you can read in a half hour on your computer

https://realization.org/p/ashtavakra-gita/richards.ashtavakra-gita/richards.ashtavakra-gita.html

Once you are ready to study non-dualism deeply, it's best to read the works of the main thinker of the Advaita school Adi Shankara. You can order English translations of his works on Vedanta.com or Amazon. I recommend beginning with the 2-part series of shorter Upanishad commentaries translated by Gambhirananda (pic related), then you can read the rest of his works in any order, but make sure you read all of his Upanishad commentaries before his Brahma Sutra commentaries. Here are links to online pdfs of most of his works in English. If I had to recommend one non-dualism text not by Shankara it would be the Yoga Vasistha

>commentaries (missing Svetasvatara)
http://estudantedavedanta.net/Eight-Upanisads-Vol-1.pdf
http://estudantedavedanta.net/Eight-Upanisads-vol2.pdf
https://archive.org/details/Brihadaranyaka.Upanishad.Shankara.Bhashya.by.Swami.Madhavananda
https://archive.org/details/Shankara.Bhashya-Chandogya.Upanishad-Ganganath.Jha.1942.English
https://archive.org/details/BrahmaSutraSankaraBhashyaEnglishTranslationVasudeoMahadeoApte1960
https://archive.org/details/Bhagavad-Gita.with.the.Commentary.of.Sri.Shankaracharya

>non-commentary works
https://gita-society.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/vivekachudamani.pdf
http://estudantedavedanta.net/Sri_Shankaracharya-Upadeshasahasri%20-%20Swami%20Jagadananda%20%281949%29%20[Sanskrit-English].pdf
http://estudantedavedanta.net/Sri_Shankaracharya-AtmaBodha%20%28and%20Other%20Stotras%29%20-%20Swami%20Nikhilananda%20%281947%29%20[Sanskrit-English].pdf
http://estudantedavedanta.net/Aparoksha-Anubhuti-by-Sri-Shankaracharya.pdf
https://www.swamij.com/shankara-vakya-vritti.htm
http://theheartofthesun.com/Nirvana.pdf
http://shiningworld.com/site/files/pdfs/publications/books/1_Knowledge_of_Truth_Tattva_Bodh.pdf
http://www.vidyavrikshah.org/SIVANANDALAHARI.pdf
http://www.vidyavrikshah.org/SOUNDARYALAHARI.pdf

>>15101632
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>>15101068
Guenonfag is literally real and not a meme, the autism in this board is too real.

>>15101674
None of that is true, you are acting schizophrenic my friend, I've been here since 2012 but never read Guenon until 2015 which is when I began posting about him. I can't imagine what caused you to become so upset and paranoid. Maybe you should try studying Advaita Vedanta and similar non-dualism, it can help you overcome those negative emotions and beliefs. Start with the Ashtavakra Gita linked here, >>15101762 it's really good

Guenonfag, I have a tab open of the internet archive link with a large amount of his writings - you probably linked it a while ago.

Where do I start? I'm skeptical of this but given that it's quarantine I may as well read

>>15101762
Watch as the curious and naive 'anon' will joyously thank guenonbro from the bottom of his heart for elucidating him with his resources before he professes to 'read' them with delight.

meanwhile guenonfag will think to himself;
>aha see guys another guenonian joins our ranks told you it wasn't just me!

he is so predictable lmao

>>15101806
>Where do I start?
With his first book "Introduction to the Study of the Hindu Doctrines", it's more of an intro to his ideas rather than to Hindu doctrines although they are covered in the last 3rd of the book, it should be the first one that automatically opens when you click on the archive.org link

Then after you've read his first book if you want want to read his books on metaphysics read
1) Man and His Becoming According to the Vedanta
2) Symbolism of the Cross
3) Multiple States of the Being

If you want to read his criticisms of and thoughts on the west and/or the modern world read
1) East and West
2) Crisis of the Modern World
3) Reign of Quantity and the Signs of the Times

The rest can be read mostly in any order, although chronologically is best because he references his previous books often so he doesn't have to repeat an explanation of an idea twice, happy reading my friend!

The handsome millennial imam at my mosque mentioned him a lot, alongside Al-Ghazali. The lanky grad student at the book-store down the street from that mosque was himself trying to put together a book club for Ernst Junger discussion.

Get out of your house and don't be scared to talk about these topics. You'll find your people out there, even if you need to wade through a lot of shit first.

>>15099495
great bait, really 10/10. Are you really that desperate to keep spamming this literal nobody schizo pseudo philosopher? THE JOKE IS OVER!!! ITS TIME TO STOP!!! NO ONE HAS EVER LAUGHED!!! IT WAS NEVER FUNNY!!! STOP FUCKING SPAMMING THESE FUCKING THREADS!!!!!!

>>15101995
don't let him get you upset anon, deep down you know guenonfag is in a worse hell than anything he puts /lit/ through on a weekly basis. he still inadvertently reveals how sad and frustrated he is that his posting style of "grumpily abuse anyone who disagrees with me, then get sulky and petulant if they don't immediately yield" never caught on

>>15101806
contrary to what guenonfriend is saying above, and assuming you are a real person and not him talking to himself yet again, i would start with his more general works before moving to his hindu works. crisis first, then reign of quantity, specifically.

Am I supposed to the read the Hindus before I read this guy or after I read this guy? And should I listen to the Hindutvas and assume that you can't mentally comprehend their ideas without the original Sanskrit or is that just a meme?

>>15099495
I was memed into it. Currently reading his work for the first time. His hindu Manvantara approach to history reminds me of a dialectic perspective on history. A series of shifts between extremes that corrects itself. I'm not that familiar with kants dialectic but it came to mind. Anyone else?

>>15101696
based

>>15099495
Its all but a meme, anon, really. You can live on

bump

>>15099657
samefag

>>15102566
Isn't that actually a quote from Benjamin or one of those other Frankfurt Jews?

I've never seen a guy so obsessed with Guenon while knowing so little about him.

>>15102016
You are projecting very hard in this post my friend, my life is one of great bliss and joy. Also, are you a British Jew? It would make a lot of sense. I saw the screencap of when you posted one of your pastas on /pol/ before with a British IP, and you being Jewish would explain your obsession with Buddhism, the anti-traditional and anti-authority attitude that shows up in your posts, your vindictiveness and duplicitousness and the fact that you regularly obsess over race and speculate about the non-white heritage of your online enemies while never claiming to be white yourself. The picture that I have of you in my mind is a bitter and spiteful 20's something British Jew who was attracted to Buddhism because it played fiddle to his materialist preferences, who feels inferior to white people and who wants to be one and who wants to tear down the traditions of other people to soothe his feelings of being out of place in life and society.

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damn. bumping this so the heathen may see this and consider ending his life

>>15099595
Prove it

Its all part of a vibe check, dont worry about it. Just a quick 4 month vibe check

>>15103878
see
>>15104677

>>15102101
In some sense yea but it's not heading in any particular direction or progress but history just cycles through the Yugas one after another for eternity

>>15099495
MODS ACTUALLY DELETE MY POSTS WHENEVER I TRY TO DISCUSS GUENON. THEY HAVE BANNED ME NUMEROUS TIMES

YET THEY LEAVE THE SPAMMING INTACT, IN THE SAME THREADS MY COMMENTS ARE DELETED, THEY LET THE DERANGED POSTER SPAM 'PBUH' AND 'HYLIC'

>>15100239
There are. If you look hard enough, you’ll find them.

>"ride the tiger" pol/tards are too cowardly to outright recommend Evola because they will get called out so they find an even more obscure load of horse shit.

Its not gonna work bro. You are transparent.

>>15105662
Guenon thought politics were a waste of time and that his ideas could be used by anyone.

>>15105662
they're not the same thing, you're dumber than the people you're criticizing

>>15105682
>>15105689
They are exactly the same thing and spamming from your discord wont change that.

>>15105544
For what it's worth I feel for you, man. Hopefully some new janitors will come in and clean up the shit. If any future janitor sees this, try to remember there used to be legitimate Guenon discussions on this board before the retarded discord tourist ruined it.

>>15105696
>Muslim man is the same as a person who hated all things of Semitic origin

>>15105696
The type of /pol/ack who lives in your head rent free and might adopt the superficial reactionary aspects of Evola would find absolutely nothing interesting about Guenon. If you knew anything about either writer or what /pol/ is like this would be obvious to you.

>>15105730
>>15105725

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksandr_Dugin#Russian_Orthodoxy_and_Rodnovery
>According to Marlene Laruelle, Dugin's adherence to the Old Believers allows him to stand between Paganism and Orthodox Christianity without formally adopting either of them. His choice is not paradoxical, since, according to him—in the wake of René Guénon—Russian Orthodoxy and especially the Old Believers have preserved an esoteric and initiatory character which was utterly lost in Western Christianity. As such, the Russian Orthodox tradition may be merged with Neopaganism and may host "Neopaganism's nationalist force, which anchors it in the Russian soil, and separates it from the two other Christian confessions".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_Evola#Ur_Group
>Evola was introduced to esotericism by Arturo Reghini, who was an early supporter of fascism. Reghini sought to promote a "cultured magic" opposed to Christianity and introduced Evola to the traditionalist René Guénon. In 1927, Reghini and Evola, along with other Italian esotericists, founded the Gruppo di Ur ("Ur Group").[6] The purpose of this group was to attempt to bring the members' individual identities into such a superhuman state of power and awareness that they would be able to exert a magical influence on the world. The group employed techniques from Buddhist, Tantric, and rare Hermetic texts.[53] They aimed to provide a "soul" to the burgeoning Fascist movement of the time through the revival of ancient Roman religion, and to influence the fascist regime through esotericism.[54][6]

>Articles on occultism from the Ur Group were later published in Introduction to Magic.[30]:89[47] Reghini's support of Freemasonry would however prove a bone of contention for Evola; accordingly, Evola broke with Reghini in 1928.[6][page needed] Reghini himself broke from Evola, accusing Evola of plagiarizing his thoughts in the book Pagan Imperialism.[8] Evola, on the other hand, blamed Reghini for the premature publication of Pagan Imperialism.[6][page needed] Evola's later work owed a considerable debt to René Guénon's text Crisis of the Modern World,[37] though he diverged from Guénon on the issue of the relationship between warriors and priests.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2017/11/12/revealed-the-6-books-that-steve-bannon-says-influenced-his-worldview/
>In addition to these six books which helped shape his worldview, Bannon also references Guénon’s Man and His Becoming According to the Vedanta as a powerful read in that it highlights the importance of being able to come off the so-called “wheel of life” and reflect on ways that the individual can improve and become better through self-awareness.

Maybe its just you being ignorant? But we both know thats now true anon. T

hese arguments always end up with me having read more Guenon than you, exposing you, and you starting a new thread and not replying to this one.

Found a pic of OP

>>15105759
How does being influenced by somebody make you exactly the same as them?

Found OP on leddit
https://www.reddit.com/r/orthonationalism/comments/9plcon/guenon_evola_and_orthodoxy/

René Guénon: A Teacher for Modern Times
by Julius Evola
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/21860646-ren-gu-non

http://www.4pt.su/en/content/legacy-european-traditionalist-julius-evola-perspective

https://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/10/books/connections-those-who-were-inspired-to-hate-the-modern-world.html

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/07/the-strange-origins-of-steve-bannons-nationalist-fantasia

https://qz.com/909323/bannons-interest-for-julius-evola-unveils-the-sexism-at-the-core-of-trump/

https://news-decoder.com/2018/08/29/steve-bannon-roots-fascism-aryanism/

https://www.biblio.com/rene-guenon-by-evola-julius/work/2699450

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/02/julius-evola-alt-right/517326/

https://traditionalistblog.blogspot.com/2017/09/traditionalism-in-now-trendy.html

https://commentsection.com/steve-bannons-idol-french-intellectual-rene-guenon/

>>>13428145
LOL

>>15105759
Dugin and Evola are both into esotericism, of course they have commented on Guenon, who was a major figure. your average /pol/ack is not going to have even heard of Guenon because he does not give a shit about esotericism, the Evola love on /pol/ is literally just because the guy wrote some stuff about the decline of civilization in a way that appeals to reactionaries. If you had read any Guenon you would know there is nothing political about it at all.

/pol/ actually like to meme Nietzsche and other big philosophers, are you going to throw them out too?

>>15105774
Oh you mean a chad?

>>15105829
>Evola love on /pol/ is literally just because the guy wrote some stuff about the decline of civilization in a way that appeals to reactionaries. If you had read any Guenon you would know there is nothing political about it at all.
"not political"
cool bro just like muh video games right?
/pol/ doesn't read they are appropriating the aesthetic of authors they have never heard of so they can get incels to "revolt against the modern world". Its just a slogan to them. Thats the reason this whole board is half guenon threads and half complaining about women. I would not mind if they actually discussed guenon instead of spamming "based" and "hylic" and shitting up the board because they can't talk to girls.

>>15105868
The guenon spammers have nothing to do with /pol/, they literally larp as muslims dude. Not every annoying group on this website is /pol/, and you are way too resentful to even appraise them fairly

I honestly dont believe you've read Guenon. The guy literally just talks about esoteric meanings of random symbols and the ultimate metaphysics of reality. He also shits on the West in general, even the older West he only faintly praises, passing it over for Hinduism especially and Islam as well.

>>15106018
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1938%E2%80%9339_German_expedition_to_Tibet#Objectives

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welteislehre#In_the_Third_Reich

>>15105868
>cool bro just like muh video games right?
What does this even mean? Everybody I see who is vehemently against /pol/ acts like such retards.

>>15106108
>Traditionalism isn't political

>>15106187
I literally said nothing about traditionalism.

>>15106205
>I literally said nothing about traditionalism.
someone did

>>15105829
>If you had read any Guenon you would know there is nothing political about it at all.

>a French author and intellectual who remains an influential figure in the domain of metaphysics, having written on topics ranging from sacred science[2] and traditional studies

>He is considered to be an important writer in the Traditionalist School of philosophy. Guénon's philosophy had a "charismatic impact" on Traditionalist authors.[6]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traditionalist_School
>The principal thinkers in this tradition are René Guénon, Ananda Coomaraswamy and Frithjof Schuon. Other important thinkers in this tradition include Titus Burckhardt, Martin Lings, Jean-Louis Michon, Marco Pallis, Huston Smith, Hossein Nasr, Jean Borella, and Julius Evola.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traditionalist_School#Ren%C3%A9_Gu%C3%A9non

>A major theme in the works of René Guénon (1886-1951) is the contrast between traditional world views and modernity, "which he considered to be an anomaly in the history of mankind."[2]

>>15106219
>someone did
Then respond to them. Do you see what I mean about you people acting retarded? You can't be reasoned with.

>>15106187
You can see value in tradition having a role in society and not be an uberfascist like Evola was, if that's what you're implying.

>>15106234
>Then respond to them.
You asked what "video games" means. Do I have to spell it out? It is very common for the same idiots that come from /pol/ to identify as "gamers" and to have a problem with women in games being "political" but be completely braindead to how Call of Duty is related to politics. The same people who make claims like "Guenon isn't political". They are either ignorant of their own ideology or being intentionally misleading to drive people into their cult.

>>15106238
Of course you can, but then you would study Perennialism. Not hyper focus on one author that has only gained prominence very recently because of his relation to reactionaries.

>>15106318
You are so uninformed about everything you're talking about it's ridiculous. I cannot imagine being this paranoid about some utterly harmless Frog who rambled about world religion

>>15106318
But why do you suppose I was saying that traditionalism isn't political? I don't know why you assume people would know what the hell you're talking about when all you say is "cool bro just like muh video games right". You need to learn how to talk to people and I mean that in the most basic sense. You don't know how to communicate the ideas you have. You're literally retarded.

>>15106347
>You are so uninformed about everything you're talking about it's ridiculous
Nice generalities. You want to point to something specific? You are on a board where people actually read. I'm sorry that you can't put two and two together but what you are doing is quite clear to the average poster.

>>15106350
Why are you so butthurt in a Guenon thread?

>>15106347
Cope and cringepilled.

>>15106364
>Why are you so butthurt in a Guenon thread?
Is it possible for you to think or communicate without memes?

>>15106364
You have some ridiculous strawman of what you think /pol/ is in your head to which you have attached people who play call of duty, and /lit/ posters who like reading about esotericism. Just stop for a second and consider how fucking stupid this is

>>15101673
Parmenides btfo'd him

>>15100134
Is this a normal thing? I got scammed at uni, gave like $10 for a super shitty book. I never saw the guy at that same spot again

bump

This text from the Brazilian writer Olavo de Carvalho is contudent about Guenon. http://olavodecarvalho.org/as-garras-da-esfinge-rene-guenon-e-a-islamizacao-do-ocidente/

anti guenonfags are worse than the guenonfag (pbuh)

>>15099495
He created an autism based theology. That's why he's posted so often here

>>15099495
Guenon was Evola’s mentor until they had a falling out. So crazed gullible Evola larpers who mellow out and still want a new age cult leader drift over to Guenon and become crazed gullible Guenon larpers.

Guenonfag is the most depressing thing I've seen on 4chan

>>15103463
its from crisis of the modern world hylic. pbu guenon

>>15107406
I agree. Ill never be able to explain the psychological effect this has had. Nothing feels right anymore, im having constant nightmares that have me in cold sweat and everything that once felt familiar now feels distant. This is not fucking normal, or alright, no matter what anyone says. Feels like someone took a whole bunch of memories from my childhood, growing up etc and just tained them with pure shit. I hate it so much i wish, i really wish i hadnt gone on that fucking site in october

>>15108378
People i looked up to when i was feeling my worst in my teens, and now it feels like they know me for something i never wanted. Really, this might feel justified, or something, but to me its nothing but deeply disturbing and makes me want nothing to do with those people anymore. Ive felt this way since a couple weeks after the thing.

>>15108378
I dont even know what to tell my therapist anymore, if she asks whats wrong its just "everything". At night when my mind becomes tired all these things keep coming back again and again but theres never any rest from it, i cant hide anywhere, cant turn them off, they just come and make me feel horrible. Then everything continues in my dreams, but there it feels real, and then i wake up happy its just a dream. That satisfaction never lasts though cause the reality hits sooner or later and its that sinking feeling of pure dread and anxiety. If it gets really bad my face starts glowing and my thoughts keep racing for hours on end, without any purpose, just keeping me awake and aware. One night it was so bad i didnt sleep at all and getting up in the morning was the most absurd thing ive ever felt, where my mind seemed to be completely detached from the outside world. I had to watch people get in their car and watch the sun rise to ground me back to reality, before i could think of anything related to the here and now. Ive had experiences like that since, but never as intense. There

>tfw the schizophrenic anon is back

this is upsetting for real

>>15101673
Peace be upon him

he is a nonentity

This channel has some pretty good lectures on Guenon. Here's part one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdxOskzcuos
you can find the rest of the parts easily from there I'm sure. His videos are pretty cool, if you can tolerate his strong accent.

>>15110504
no thanks, rather watch the minotaur's hegel series than that cringey shit

>>15110517
Oh, okay.

>>15106018
>The guenon spammers have nothing to do with /pol/

>>15110263
>>15110263