/lit/ - Literature

>>15099962
be a scientist instead.
religion won't survive the decade

Pick whatever your roots are.

>>15099983
Atheist :/

Orthodox Presbyterianism

>>15099962
>Pope Francis or Putin
You’re fucked but at least Putin isn’t a Jew spic

>>15099986
What is your ethnicity?

>>15099962
Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus

>>15100002
White Anglo
English

Whatever.
It's just gonna be another ironic LARP that's not gonna last more than one week.

>>15099962
Orthodoxy
I don't know if I could lay out a convincing argument in a post but watch debates, research the distinctions, read the Aristotle East and West book by Bradshaw or watch a talk by him, etc

>>15099962
just do whatever the Bible sa—oh, never mind

>>15100015
Just go Orthodox then. It's the most sound for someone who doesn't already have skin in the game via their heritage.

>>15099962
As an Argentinian who knows who Francis was before the papacy, i tell you: there's no way that God would choose such a wicked man to represent him on earth.
Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's; and to God the things that are God's. Embrace Orthodoxy.

>>15100049
Pure Donatism.

>>15100049
meehhh he collaborated with Videla meeeeh none cares faggot

>>15099962
Which denomination has held unflinchingly to the truth?

Which denomination can truly be said to be One?

Which denomination has evangelised the world?

Which denomination is accessible to all ethnic groups?

Which denomination is not guilty of the heresy of ethnophyletism?

>>15100053
All i'm saying is that if i have to choose between the catholic church that expects me to believe that such a man is the representative of God on earth, or the orthodox church which believes that the actual representative of God on earth is Jesus Christ himself, i would stick to the latter.

>>15100066
>he collaborated with Videla
i wish it was just that, anon

OP here
The right thread is this way >>15100086

>>15100083
Jesus was no representative of none, he was God on Earth, wtf are you talking about heretic

Anon if you're struggling with the issues in the Catholic church, read Anne Catherine Emmerich's prophecies. Everything that's been happening has been prophesied by countless saints, don't let it discourage you from embracing the true church of Christ

>>15099968
wolframs taking my idea of reality being a lattice structure!! I thought of that years ago!!

>>15100015
>>15100037
Anglo's have a Latin history, read up on the English martyrs

>>15099962
Choose Gnosticism and free yourself, brother!

>>15099962
C L A S S I C A L R E F O R M E D

>>15100282
Gnosticism is a wild goose chase, it's endless

>>15099962
Brother are you aware of what the RCC teaches and how it's innovated so many false practices and what their Popes do?
Eastern Orthodoxy is far more pure, please research the churches, compare them to the bible and see who is closer to the Gospel.
I am reformed and would urge you towards a church that teaches salvation by grace, and the 5 points of TULIP personally. God is sovereign, grace is sufficient, we are fallen, bible is clear on its own no need for priests.

>>15100496
>I am reformed
can you explain why the early church, which WROTE THE NEW TESTAMENT, failed to understand these things? within a generation the church had priests and bishops and a literal eucharist, HOW? IF THE SCRIPTURES ARE SO CLEAR?

>>15100290
Based

>>15100507
There were always true believers in the church, the Eucharist is a mystery no need to speculate so heavily about it. Paganism creeped into the east and west, they both have different practices and beliefs now, clearly appeal to "tradition" isn't perfect. Look at orthodox teaching of Aerial Toll houses, pure innovation. Look at RCC assumption of Mary, pure innovation, or mandatory priestly celibacy... Early believers didn't hold those teachings, but they creep in.
Reformed cuts out the excess baggage that has no grounds in the Gospel. Most importantly both east and west have the wrong teaching of salvation.

The less denominational, the better. If you could find a non-denominational church that actually follows the bible then that would be best. Just read the bible to know if a church is the "right" church, because the truly right church would be the one you can read about in the pages
if you have to choose between cath and ortho, i'm pretty sure orthodox sticks closer to the scripture than catholic does

>>15100541
No such thing as non denom that sticks to the bible. There are no neutral views when it comes to interpretation. Non denom is a misnomer.

>>15100049
>Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's; and to God the things that are God's. >Embrace Caesaropapism.
lol

>>15100553
The idea of modern denominations is nowhere to be found in the bible.
the church found within the pages of the bible wasn't a denomination, the idea of denominations is inherently wrong

>>15100541
non-denoms are just baptists who refuse to defend their own beliefs so they opt to not have any
>>15100538
but why can't doctrine develop after the gospel? christ sent his spirit down to tell us so much that he hadn't yet revealed to us, why would he do that if the spirit had nothing else to reveal?

>>15100262
You're right, but i'm honestly whitepilled on conversos. If they are really outsiders who are looking solely from an intellectual perspective, the fact of the matter is that the Orthodox Church is in a better state rn because they have much less modernism. By all means, i'd always say converting to Catholicism is a good thing though.

>>15100541
>advocates non-denom
>therefore certainly believes that there is no priesthood in the new covenant
>prefers orthodox to catholic
>orthodox services have a literal wall that prevents the laity from seeing what the priests are doing

>>15100586
Protestantism only exist as a negation of Catholicism so by default the larpers will always choose the non-catholic answer when given the chance. I'm sure there are SOME honest protestants, however. Just not here.

>>15100583
>the fact of the matter is that the Orthodox Church is in a better state rn because they have much less modernism
but they follow ethnophylitism which is a heresy

>>15099986
So you have no Christian ancestry at all? No grandparents? Great grandparents?

>>15100015
>White Anglo
>English
Begome Anglican :DDD

>>15100601
>Protestantism only exist as a negation of Catholicism
This is something that has struck me too. There entire theology presupposes the existence of Catholicism. It is hardly "going back to the roots". It is just a deviation from medieval theology.

>>15099962
>I am struggling to choose between Apple and Android
>Can anyone help me devices which smartphone I choose pls

you are all such retarded, idolatrous faggots

>>15100613
"priestess" is too insufferable. I could never sit through that. If there was a traditional Anglican church with only male clergy, it would probably be good.

>>15100586
To be fair, I don't know much about Ortho, but I know that they worship more correctly than Cath if i'm not mistaken, Could be wrong, I don't know enough about them. That being said, there is no priesthood in the new covenant, Point me to a verse that says otherwise. Christ is the only mediator, and the bible is the only scripture. The closest thing to clergy found in the bible are elders and deacons, which are not necessary for a church to exist, but are preferable to have

>>15100015
Just convert to Catholicism, there are plenty of Anglo Catholics

>>15100637
>I don't know much about Ortho
>but I know that they worship more correctly than Cath
>if i'm not mistaken
lol

>>15100626
churchsociety.org may be able to help

>>15100643
Correct me if i'm wrong- Ortho does not use instruments in their worship, while Cath does. There is much instruction in the new testament to sing, but not a single verse permitting instruments. Honestly, that is the only thing i could say, for all I know ortho does everything else wrong, but that in particular they do correctly, unlike cath

>>15100688
>There is much instruction in the new testament to sing, but not a single verse permitting instruments.
Pslams constantly instruct people to praise God with the lute and harp.

>>15100695
And under the new covenant, we have such instruction. I suppose you would also say we are to upkeep the ten commandments as well? Of course, that would also imply living under the old law entirely, and i'm not gonna say you are implying that.

“...making melody with your heart to the Lord” (Ephesians 5:18,19).
This is a commonly chosen verse to argue for instruments. We are commanded to make melody- if instruments were included in the term, then every person in a congregation who sings is obligated to play an instrument.
The word "psallo" was originally meant to play with a stringed instrument with the fingers, or to sing with accompaniment of harp, but in the New Testament it signifies simply to praise without accompaniment of instrument. If the word did retain an association with plucking, then an instrument would have to be supplied by context.
If the words allowed the use of instruments, then such as case would be strange since none of the early church fathers make mention of instrumental music in their worship
(W.E Vine- First Corinthians, p109, F.F Bruce- Questions Answered, p107, McClintok & Strong- Cyclopedia, vol VI, p759)

>>15100800
>I suppose you would also say we are to upkeep the ten commandments as well?

>>15100578
Denominations exist because heresy exists. Paul corrected the churches in Corinth and Ephesus and so forth when they fell into error.

>>15100808
Without accusing you of anything, I can guarantee you do not.
Do you follow the fourth commandment? Do you keep the sabbath holy? The ten commandments as a part of the Mosaic law were given to the Hebrews alone (Deut. 5:1-5)
The church of the first century, directed by inspired leaders, did not observe the Sabbath. Also, the Scriptures explicitly teach that the Sabbath has been abolished
You cannot argue for the commandments without arguing for the sabbath as well, simply put. The other 9 commandments are effectively still there, but not because they are part of the mosaic law, but because they were commanded to the gentiles in the new testament. That being said, I'm pretty sure many denominations, such as the Cath and Ortho, seem to have a problem with the second commandment

>>15100868
Sunday obligation counts as keeping the sabbath holy

>>15100883
Don't argue with hims he's a 7DA conspiracist

>>15100868
Traditional Christians and Protestants don't even use the same 10 commandments.

>>15099983
This. Objective truth is a heckin meme

>>15100883
It does not. Christ' church was established on the day of Pentecost always fell on "the morrow after the Sabbath," hence, Sunday. Following the sabbath would be on Saturday, as the sabbath was commanded. The scriptures say many times that the Sabbath, as part of the law of Moses, has been terminated
eph. 2:14ff, col 2:14-17
with the sabbath gone, a new covenant, unlike the one given to israel, a new covenant with new laws (heb 7:11ff) which was promised long before the time of christ, one of many fulfilled prophecies (Jer 31:31ff)
Romans 7, apostles argue a christian is "dead to the law(4)," and further that we are "discharged from the law(6)"
>>15100902
also if you read what I have said and am saying, it's clear my arguing would work against 7DA as well

>>15100956
Lord's day is not the same as the sabbath. Catholics follow the Lord's day, not the sabbath, but as >>15100916 points out, Catholics and Protestants don't use the same 10 commandments.

>>15100916
What is this, exactly? the Decalogue is found in the old testament, Exodus 20:2-17
And, what it says verbatim depends on the translation, if you want a word for word absolute literal translation you can get a interlinear bible, or look one up. There would be no reason that there would be different commandments between cath and prot, especially since it wouldn't matter either way, with the old law being done away with

>>15100956
the sabbath was moved to sunday to coincide with the resurrection

adventists pls go

>>15100637
>there is no priesthood in the new covenant

>>15100953
It's not that. the problem with finding "objective" truth in the Catholic vs Orthodox debates is that it always just boils down to people not agreeing at each side's logic. Even highbrow debates like Ybarra vs Dyer, where both sides had all the history and theology and philophy behind, just ends in with one side in vitriol and no one coming to any side or another.

For the time being everyone would be better off just following whatever Church they have connections to, because things like heritage, ethnicity, genealogy, culture and family matter a lot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkIfo15jV-8

>>15100990
Common misconception. Catholics reject the sabbath but follow the Lord's day.

>>15101001
thanks for the correction, i didnt know that

>>15100993
give any verses that show evidence of priesthood in the new covenant and actually contribute to the conversation. That being said, we do have a high priest, only 1, and that's Jesus, any other answer is against the word of god, as outlined in the new testament, and i'll repeat the closest thing mentioned that resembles clergy are elders and deacons, which arent priesthood

>>15100626
Why? Are you a misogynist?

ive been an orthodox for 2 years now and i'm still pretty far in the right. i think the difference between orthodoxy and catholicism is that the former does offer a spiritual path, but the latter does offer a hierarchy and vision that must be followed whether it's in mind or not. it might sound silly, but it's actually important for an individual to have a freedom in spiritual thought, but it is not something to follow blindly. there are (or should be) many different paths to catholicism, but these must all be evaluated on their own merits and answered with reasons or a case made against them (like a yes/no).

im going to say that i think catholicism is a safe choice if you enjoy singing hyms, but I would prefer that you renege but i cut out your guts and eat them in front of you while you die badly but I've come very close to murder and it is not so lucid at the end because people dont believe it. you would probably just stare without thrashing. very tame. not intimate like you want. you would do well as an orthodox.

>>15101038
women are inferior and St. Paul told all wahman to be silent in church and explicitly forbid and Christian male from being ruled over by a woman.

>>15101038
1 cor 14:33-35 makes obvious woman don't have a place preaching publicly, unless you wanna just throw out scipture

>>15101023
>give any verses that show evidence of priesthood in the new covenant and actually contribute to the conversation. That being said, we do have a high priest, only 1, and that's Jesus, any other answer is against the word of god, as outlined in the new testament, and i'll repeat the closest thing mentioned that resembles clergy are elders and deacons, which arent priesthood

>>15101053
Based Paul.

>>15101038
Yes.

>>15101023
>>15101023
Hebrews only tells us that Jesus is the one high priest, not that he replaces all priests. The reason that line is interpreted by Protestants to mean that the priesthood is abolished is because Protestants insist that because 'all you need is Jesus', God would not given us anything beside Jesus. But the truth is that we have a generous God who gives us a sacramental life to partake in, with a priesthood that is not priestly in its own right but partakes in the one priesthood of Jesus. The scriptures are very clear that the apostles are given special duties and authority, and the only reason one would doubt that this entails a priesthood is an a priori rejection of Catholic conclusions. In other words, the conclusion you put forward could only arise in response to a decadent Catholicism, not from an honest reading of scripture, which the early church did--and they had a priesthood. If these things are so bloody obvious, why did the early church not recognise them? Were the fathers that learned from the apostles themselves stupid? Did the Holy Spirit abandon the church? No--so stop projecting you anti-Catholicism onto the scriptures.

>>15099962

>>15100953
>There is no objective truth, I state objectively

>>15099968

>>15099962
>between Catholicism and Orthodoxy
They are in union in the same church so it doesnt actually matter. Sacraments at both are accepted equally valid.

>>15101253
>Marcion believed that Jesus was the savior sent by God, and Paul the Apostle was his chief apostle, but he rejected the Hebrew Bible and the God of Israel. Marcionists believed that the wrathful Hebrew God was a separate and lower entity than the all-forgiving God of the New Testament.
Holy based...

>>15101395
>based
Omg SO much this! I was so uncomfortable when my priest read that Sodom part about the evil Hebrew "God" I immediately left the heckin' church! I am so glad I found this more tolerant Marcionate (pbuh) church....

>>15100078
Uh, none of them?

>>15100078
All of them? We need to be more accepting...

>>15099998
by priest said Putin is a jew, but he's the best we've got lmao

>>15100053
Donatism is the heresy that sinful priests can not offer valid sacraments. It has nothing to do with the election of the pope which Catholics believe to be guided by Divine Providence. Nothing wrong about arguing that the pope (who you people call 'our christ on earth) must be a legitimate Christian for the institution guided by him to be valid

>>15099983
This. Eastern ideas apply to the eastern soul, and western to the western soul. We can coexist just fine.

>>15100015
Yeah, in your case I would go full anglo catholic à la Chesterton

>>15099962
Go to mass talk to priest. Then go to Divine Liturgy, talk to priest. Pray and read while attending both mass and Liturgy, then decide.

>>15101741
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6e1Nu931eE
It might end up like this if you just visit a random church
t.Have visited a lot of churches

>>15099968
God was the one who made physics to begin with

>>15099968
Based and physicalistpilled

>>15099962
The path is simple, brother.

>>15099988
Based Machen. Checked.

>>15102547

>>15100078
>Which denomination has held unflinchingly to the truth?
Literally none

>>15101038
this bitch has mad FAS

>>15099962
>I am struggling to choose between poo poo and pee pee

>>15099962
Fuck off to /adv/
And fuck off with your LARP already

>>15103227
>>15102701
Dude is trying to seek God and these guys wanna pull him back in the mud...
Why does the heathen rage??

Orthodoxy seems too bootlicking for my tase. And the Russia/Ukraine dispute is just horrible. Moreover, they seem to be too attached to rules. Don't get me wrong, liturgy, rules, etc... Are good, but they can turn into an idol, even if they are inspired in the faith. An example: Greek Orthodox Church doesn't apporve of corpse incineration, so they do everything they can to forbid and boycott the practice. Like, who tf cares, dude. Did Jesus say sth about that? No, idiot. Don't you have anything better to do, like announcing the gospel, or helping the dozens of thousands of unemployed people in your small country?

>>15102547
>proselytism
You mean the great commission? I always got the feeling that Orthodox implicitly don't want outsiders to join their churches

>>15103278
Do you need institutionalized religion or ancient rituals to find God? Probably not.

>>15103507
If God reveals himself and is interested in mankind then yes, we need more than just intuition to seek him.

>>15103315
Sure it's got some folk religion aspects attached to it, praying to saints, kissing icons, but it's a billion times better than atheism or false religions. OP is on a good path if he's interested in it.

>>15101416
>Children being ripped apart and eaten alive by bears or the sun and moon being frozen in place so that every last living person could be more efficiently slaughtered during a massacre are things that Jesus would approve or command.

Anybody else feels this surging homicidal urge when reading a christard's post? I would enjoy in earnest smashing their faces against a brick wall, hanging their bodies to an upside down cross, crushing their balls with a nutcracker, making them swallow the blood coming out of their (ripped open) balls, forcing them to swallow my sperm alongside it, cutting down their arms and legs limb by limb, slapping them brutally with their severed hands, streams of blood flowing out as rivers, displaying their soulless bodies at the National Jewish museum, calling my works of art "where's your God now?", getting paid by Schlomo for my contemporary masterpieces, feeding what remains of them to the dogs and keeping their smashed nuts to donate them to the local church by proudly mentioning that they're some ancient martyrs' severed balls.

>>15103605
thats satan. don't listen to him. find your power in christ.

>>15103605
The world wanted to do the same to Jesus when he proclaimed the truth, so it's not surprising. Christianity is something you're either for or against, there is no middle ground concerning the absolute truth

>>15103615
Jesus was in the middle east. the world didn't know about him until way after he died

>>15103610
Based.

>>15103622
It doesn't matter where you go, human nature tends to be the same everywhere. The only places that stand out are Christian societies

>>15103627
by christian you mean western, right? almost all western countries aren't christian but secular nations

>>15103635
All of these modern enlightened western nations are degenerating as well

>>15103640
because they left christianity? by your logic, how do you explain south american nations who are fully christian but still shitholes full of violence and poverty? it's about race and IQ, not religion. the Europeans would've flourished with or without christianity. you can already see it in rome and greece

>>15103658
Well Mexico has a history of masonic subversion, and these countries have been moving away from Catholicism for decades.

>>15103670
>masonic subversion
resorting to conspiracies? you know you have to believe in God to be "le mason subverter". the reality is most masons are christians who use many christian and jewish imagery, like the temple and so on. plus you used one example that is mexico. mexico isn't even a south american country, for fuck sake.

>>15103684
>resorting to conspiracies?
None of this is a conspiracy, there were periods where Christianity was illegal in Mexico.

>>15103684
Freemasons aren't real Christians, they're perennialists who worship Satan and pretend they're presbytarians

>>15103691
again, mexico isn't a south american country. most south americans are christian, almost 90%. you also dodged the fact that most masons need to believe in God in order to join the organization. so this whole "masons are destroying christianity" thing falls apart, why can't you just admit that it's about IQ and race. not faith.

>>15103709
see
>>15103702
Also I don't know the history and politics of South America enough to really comment on that, but I do know that they've been progressively abandoning their Catholicism

>>15103716
> they've been progressively abandoning their Catholicism
okay, how do you explain how they were shitholes even back then when they fully embraced Catholicism? they've been shitholes for the past century with exceptions for a few nations. while Europe has been flourishing even when they abandoned Christianity, of course with the exception of the past two decades when neo-liberalism took over and so on.

>>15103726
You do know that Europe had about 1500 years in advance of Catholic development compared to south America right?

>>15103741
what about Europe before Christianity? it produced one of the most advanced, if not the most advanced and influential civilizations at the time. no matter how you look at it. its about Race and IQ.

>>15099962
all religions are faggot clubs devised to ensure the peasants are fruitful and multiply, i.e. provide armies for (((wars)))

>>15103374
> I always got the feeling that Orthodox implicitly don't want outsiders to join their churches
What gave you that feeling?

>>15103757
>what about Europe before Christianity?
The majority of Europeans were backwards and primitive, the exception was Rome and Greece and if we're being honest Christianity pretty much fulfilled most of the Greco Roman philosophical inquiry.
>its about Race and IQ
Greatly over-exaggerated right now by historical illiterates

>>15103787
Well I know the Greek churches explicitly discourage proselytism, we all know it's to keep their churches Greek.

>>15103788
>Greatly over-exaggerated right now by historical illiterates
how? there is a direct correlation between IQ and the development of nations. in order to defend your faith, you throw Europeans under the bus and down play their achievements.

>>15103804
>you throw Europeans under the bus and down play their achievements
I'm not but it wasn't based on race, reducing everything down to race is a midwit point of view that obscures what actually mattered these past 2000 years

>>15103813
again, you haven't answered why South American and even African christian nations are shitholes, you just resorted to conspiracies and changing the topic. you put christianity as the force of the development of nations but thats bullshit.

>>15103835
>shitholes
not him but most latam and africa are better off than most of Europe, they have less jew gold but who cares? They are virale people and that’s what matters. Europe has been going to shit for the last 100 years, neoliberalism was just the conclusion of that.

>>15100015
Unironically become C of E Anglo-Catholic the pope is controlled by Jews and worse is Argentine

>>15103835
Catholicism has been the salvation of so many Africans, Protestantism obviously has made the situation in Africa worse and impeded the progress of genuine Christianity. It takes time to develop nations, most of these backwards nations weren't given sufficient time for logos to fully take root. Again most Europeans were backwards before Christianity came.

>>15103852
>throws Europe under the bus to defend his faith
no, South America and Africa are two big shitholes, thats why they move to western/European nations to have a better life.

>>15103854
There's an Anglican chapel near me that has a female priest and it looks like they do the tridentine mass, it's kind of weird honestly

>>15103869
>thats why they move to western/European nations to have a better life.
no they go there to get free shit because European countries are dysfunctional. “better life” my ass, 20th century American rhetorical quip about immigration which is not applicable to 21st century migration to Europe.

>>15103887
>africa
>no decent health care in most countries
>no decent education
>no safety or civility
>most resources are exploited by the 1st world and corrupt governments
yeah you're right, Africa is such a paradise, it simply doesn't compare to Europe.

>>15103911
>bunch of stereotypes from the 1980s
you are very behind, 90% of Africa is not like any of your greentext . Look at yellow vest protesters and tell me there is no unrest in Europe.

>>15100626
What is the Oxford Movement and Anglo-Catholicism?

>>15103928
>the lengths the christcuck goes in order to defend his faith
shieet hol up. I thought Wakanda was a fictional place? and the yellow vests are a sign that the people are awake. if they were sheep, they would've just bent over and let the government take them. its a good thing that there are protests

>>15099998
>conflating the Russian Orthodox Church with the entire Orthodox Church
Anon, I...

>>15103946
>shieet hol up. I thought Wakanda was a fictional place?
No ones saying africa it’s wakanda, a movie made by Americans not Africans (something which should tell you a lot about the state of American culture). when it comes to what’s truly important, not (((economy))) but culture, religion, spirituality and vitality, Africa is better than Europe has been for decades. Even look at how people dress, African peasants dress nicer than Western slobs.

>>15100015
Become a sedevacantist Catholic, but if not then just become a normal Catholic

>>15100078
see >>15101253

Catholicism died when they stopped speaking Latin in church.

>>15100603
phyletism*

>>15099962
Orthodoxy is way more /lit/

>>15100603
>they follow ethnophylitism
Who are they? Specific examples please.

>>15103374
>I always got the feeling that Orthodox implicitly don't want outsiders to join their churches
This is completely wrong. The Orthodox Church is open to all.

>>15100603
Kek. I'm the only Asian guy at my Orthodox parish full of Syrians and Lebanese. Since the day I walked in I have always been welcomed. Same at OCA, and ROCOR, GOARCH churches/monasteries. People who accuse the Orthodox of ethnophlyetism have never been to been to a service.

>>15103315
EO oppose cremation out of respect for the body. It is consistent with the idea that the body is made holy through Christ, which is why we continue to honor relics of our saints. Just as the women touched the border of Christ' garment (Luke 8:44) and was healed, we believe that power is preserved in the holy relics of the saints throughout the ages. Imagine if they had burnt the body of Christ when he had died. Of course they wouldn't have burnt it. Instead they honored it with "spices and fragrant oils" (Luke 24:56).

>>15099962
Start with the greeks

>>15099968
>Look guys I made a model of how we could model physics
k

>>15100262
Anglos have an Early Church history, which both the Orthodox and Catholics can lay claim over. Both Churches venerate the same saints pre-Schism. Many Westerners who are surrounded by Catholicism are attracted to Orthodoxy out of a want to return to the Early Church without the innovations of the RCC.

>>15107065
More like
>Here is a framework that is already being picked up by Oxford and Cambridge faculty that will aid in the generating of new theories that capture the nature of reality

But sure, trivialize it so you can sleep better at night. We'll wake you when we've solved the stuff you're too stupid to understand.

>>15107165
The nature of reality is not to be found from below, but from above.

why do you need a religion? Isn't the Bible and your faith enough?

loiter around a shopping district until a korean offers to baptise you in the woods

>>15107095
As someone who was raised protestant, Catholicism absolutley mystifies me. I honestly dont get people who think its mundane and dry

>>15099962
You'll go to hell either way so it doesn't really matter

>>15107182
We have actively proven that to be false.

>s-source??
Literally the last 100 years of physics, but more cogently in Wolfram's latest papers and streams, which you lack education to participate in.

Stop acting like physics is still some 17th century endeavor that can only measure physical structures and dynamics. We are so far beyond that, and all appeals or
uses of metaphysical vocabulary is hilarious antiquated.

>>15107235
the same physics that disproved materialism?

>>15107251
>Heisenberg
Anon, science, unlike philosophy and religion, only accepts what is provable, even when it comes to the giants of their field. Everything Heisenberg said is not gospel, nor acceptable as scientifically valid. Many physicists have fringe ideas that have to be ignored because such beliefs represent a collapse at the limits of their own capacity to model reality via science and so they began looking for alternatives due to the historical limitations.

Limitations which we do not suffer from today. And if Heisenberg were alive today, he would be in Wolfram's camp, and wouldn't even think of admitting the same limitations on physics that historical circumstances imposed upon him in his lifetime. Physics CAN grasp the nature of reality. And this week we made a major step towards doing so.

>>15107235
Of course I lack the education to participate in his latest papers in theoretical physics, but the principle is the same, which is that there is nothing that scientists can say or do to prove materialism and naturalism. Science cannot make metaphysical claims while under a strictly materialist framework.

>>15107320
Nothing is science is provable.

>>15107329
>Science cannot make metaphysical claims
By "metaphysics" you mean that which deals with the nature of things, essences, and ultimate reality--correct?
Well physics does all of that. Now more than ever. "Metaphysics" as traditionally conceivedwas always only ever an ad hoc field necessitated by technological limitations. The lack of falsifiability and testability in it proves what an ersatz field of study it was to begin with.

>>15107366
What does physics propose to be the essence of things? Quarks? Is the essence of things to be found in the smallest possible body? If it is a material body, cannot it not be divided further?

Orthodoxy has superior aesthetics. Here's a hymn from Holy Tuesday mass
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDbeQ0pNrHE

>>15107448
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QUHzeIicF8&
Good Friday Service

>>15099968
Does this explain the fundamentally irrational notion of the beginning of everything?

>>15099962
>thinking that you just choose

>>15099962
Split the difference and go eastern rite catholic

>>15107448
Catholicism is pretty kino
https://youtu.be/qW1HCWvk8g0

>>15099962
no church led by humans can lay claim to being christ's church in its entirety - they're part of the church, but the roman catholic church is not catholic (as in universal/all-encompassing), and neither is the orthodox catholic church

just connect with christians in whatever way works for you, become part of a local church community, strengthen your focus on god, reach out, and don't think about the labels all that much

>>15107997
>>15107466
Those are very nice but a bit too melodic and secular for church use

>>15100496

"compare churches to the bible"
>compare authors to the book to see who wrote the book

really nigga?