/lit/ - Literature

Taleb approves

>>15099260
Why does it matter if you can measure something, if you don't know what it is you're measuring? Physics as math is less important than physics as natural philosophy.

>>15099260
What's the crux of this?

Not gonna solve consciousness.

>>15099337
Based

>>15099260
>>15099308
>>15099340

Nothing Deleuze didn't already know and write about in the 70s

Heh

Can someone explain this to me? Reading the guy's blogpost now.

>>15099362

Wolfram is a genius but he's also prone to building castles in the sky. He tried to explain everything in terms of cellular automata once and it never caught on.

What does he mean by initial condition?

>>15099392
Your brain is clogged by memes, I feel sorry for you.

>>15099260
Watch one of the geniuses here pock a hole in this nonsense with 5 mins

>>15099260
And nothing in our lives will change, who gives a shit

Wow these shapes look very complex, I fucking love science! I’m def gonna tune in!

>>15099260
Retards. The difference between science and religion is institutional.

>>15099362
Deleuze just put stuff that had already appeared thousands of years before him in the Upanishads and the Pre-Socratic fragments in a contemporaneously fashionable writing style.

>>15099471
Probably true, but transforming the fragments of Heraclitus into long systematic expositions is a great contribution.

>>15099347
my understanding is that, although we know how alter states of consciousness as well as "turn off" consciousnesses (by making people unconsciousness) , we still don't know what consciousness is and how it arises. This is where religious/idealistic conceptions come in, as the consciousnesses is essentially the soul.

Accurate or no?

Isn't this proof that we live in a simulation?

>>15099453

Do it, anon. Make scientific literacy part of you identity, so your insecurity doesn't sperg out every time STEM is mentioned.

>>15099425
In physics initial conditions are just the starting state of the system. The initial values of the variables. The criterion of a predictive physical theory is that knowing the initial conditions of a system you should be able to calculate its evolution

>computer, invent time travel

>>15099493
>Make scientific literacy part of you identity
step 1 of this would be to ignore wolfram’s schizo shit

>>15099337
Math IS philosophy

>>15099529
What a genius! Telling his computer to invent time travel!!

>>15099376
Science.

>>15099260
>Stephen Wolfram was born in London in 1959 to Hugo and Sybil Wolfram, both German Jewish refugees to the United Kingdom.

>>15099260
thought created everything. every attempt to understand reality is useless.
fuck science and fuck bugmen

>>15099260
quoting post from /sci/

>The more I read this the more it seems like he smoked a big fat blunt while watching NGE and procrastinating for his undergraduate CS courses and just wrote this out as a stream of consciousness.

>>15099425
God, The One, Pleroma, First Principle, Unmoved Mover, Anu, Chaos, Creator, All-Maker, Supreme Being, The Law, The Ideal, The Originator, Life Giver, The Beginning, The Alpha and Omega, The Is, The First One, He-That-Pulled-Us-Out-Of-Darkness, Pure Essence, Pure Being, Perfection, The Holy of Holies, The King of Kings, The One that Shaped the Stars, The Thing-In-Itself, The System Containing All Others.

>>15099260
Time to go visit /sci/ so i can have an opinion

>>15099347
That's actually exactly what it solves, you illiterate.

>>15099674
they don't understand what's going on either

Gimmie a quick rundown champ

>>15099809
I didn't read it all. Just skimmed through.

Basically (up to what I read) the application of a simple rule can create a complex structure, which he theorises is the case with the universe. The argument is that when you allow a 'simple rule' to repeat itself on a hypergraph, you get 3D, almost continuous structure like pic related. Space, then, is discrete rather than continuous, and consists of 'abstract points' which are all connected together, and they are governed by one of these 'simple rules'.

I may have explained it wrong because, again, I only skimmed through.

>>15099742
Cope.

>>15099639
>every attempt to understand reality is useless.
Maybe for brainlets lol

>>15099674
hot

>>15099930
>Space, then, is discrete rather than continuous
I knew it. Irrational numbers can go in the trash where they belong

>>15099429

>>15099930
so materialism is proved even more wrong?

>>15099930
>Space, then, is discrete rather than continuous
into the trash it goes

>>15099975
as if math cares about such petty strictures as physical reality, math routinely shits all over basic logic and understanding

>>15099260
>Fundamental Theory of Physics
Does this mean we're getting sexbots or not?

>>15099340
I Fucking Love Science retards think that worshipping science as an objective reality is the ultimate human goal, but they fail to understand that this attitude in and of itself is not objective, and they also fail to understand that all physical behavior has a subjective, metaphysical force as its root cause (otherwise, infinite regression). Read Aquinas and read Economic Psychology and The Value Problem by Frank Hyneman Knight.

>>15099660
nope
and cope

>>15100073
lol retard

I think I found the problem. It's the fallacy of reification. His entire model presumes the continual application of rules to generate a succession of graphs that show an exponential increase in complexity. But what is the observational analog of this rule? The universe doesn't run on rules; rules are a way to understand or compute things. In short, the rule exists only in his model unless a corresponding natural process. All the little snowflakes his program generates only give a superficial appearance of natural phenomena unless you can specify how the model translates into natural phenomena.
Also it's not empirically derived.
Also it doesn't make any theories. In sum a computer model is not the same as an explanation.

>>15100133
>unless a corresponding natural process
is identified.

>>15100073
I would say Wolfram is actively btfo of all that shit, but that would be admitting that such positions even had a place at the table to begin with.
Bud we blew past that shit like a century ago. You are clearly in absolute ignorance of even the basics of modern science, let alone capable of grasping Wolfram's project.

>>15100133
>make any theories
make any predictions I mean. :)

>>15100133
go to bed

They can't be truthful because there's no positive knowledge. Everything that pushes into the know of something is directly pushing the Truth further. Also, in truth there's total contradiction, if this is something interesting should explain that, but a system can't contradict itself, is like a drilling reality with just one tool, math can't explain this, this is just another paradigm that doesn't solve anything, in the moment a computer does it will reveal that life must end. That's the Truth.

You can't live and at the same time know the Truth. This is why nothing of this matters in the end.

What are the implications of this?

>>15100073
>Read Aquinas and read Economic Psychology and The Value Problem by Frank Hyneman Knight.
Shut up, shut up, shut up, shut up

You are unable to argue rigorously, you are only able to shout "read rigorous X!!!!" to substitute for the sad excuse of your silly putty mind that's been burnt on shitty /lit/ memes

>>15100164
The implications are philosophers, priests, and poets are all going to be out of a job very soon.
Physics as a way to ultimate reality. Things are about to kick off.

>>15100164
None, just another system to explain another system without actual truth. We still in the apple falling from the tree and we will stay in there forever, just the ignorant knows everything. Exponentiality occurs in two directions simultaneously, up and down, forth and backwards. This only explain one of those lines as always.

>>15100133
The point isn't that his model translates to natural phenomena but that it is possible to create complex structures with simple rules. In the set of all possible rules, one of them will replicate the structure of the universe exactly.

>>15099260
Someone ELI5 please

>>15100191
Based

/lit/tards on suicide watch

>>15100215
Science men think new thing, now have a juice box.

>>15100210
Thank the good lord I devoted myself to expanding my mind with mysticism instead of this STEM garbage. It's all vanity, good maybe for a side project and that's it.

>>15100191
I know you are trolling, but moral philosophy will always be needed.

>>15100191
>when hypergraphs prove the unmistakeable existence of God

>>15099487
Simulation theory is so retarded

>>15100215
Reality is a hypergraph - if you /lit/tards want to actually understand, then go learn some math you imbeciles

>>15100210
No, can only explain just one part of the reality but not all, the observable universe is not all the universe.

>>15100164
Being a homosexual is ground truth and the morally correct choice.

>>15099930
Wtf does this even mean
>t. Retard

>>15099392
How does this wojak even relate to the post you replied to

>>15099674
>mfw science has a philosophy undergirding it, just as the master depends on his handmaiden so he can tend to his daily, non-quotidian activities
>attack the master's handmaiden, and you frustrate his endeavors

>>15100191
Philosophers, priests and poets have always been out of jobs. That’s the point.

>>15099260
Yawn. Deleuze already figured this out like 50 years ago.

>>15099487
No, it's an argument that reality is fundamentally mathematical and platonic

>>15100115
It literally does mean that, cope

So the sacred numerology wackos were right?

>>15099308
who cares

>>15100254
That the universe will remain a mystery, that we can only use thermodynamics to move from one place to another, to go to other planets and whatever, but we will never find the Truth because this is at the end of life, no system will ever find it, because in the moment a sentient system will aim for it, will need to commit suicide and the Truth will remain unknown.

So basically, you need to keep living your life in a moral way and construct yourself to the highest you can, then you will know more than those physicians.

They can't solve how to live because exponentiality kills in the moment it creates. The only way is personal sacrifice where you kill yourself for the sake of another, that's the ultimate path in life. Capitalism can't be the perfect system and can't be solved because the principal is egoism not freedom. As freedom exist only in sacrifice. So this is just people running away from Truth actually.

>>15100168
>shut up shut up shut up
Struck a nerve, have we? Science functions under God's design. Also, I would love to hear your argument instead of you autistically screeching. From your post its evident you are either a tranny, a woman, or under the age of 16. In any case, you're not helping yourself by flinging shit and screaming like a literal retard.

Science (dumb) is like being in a dark room looking for a black cat while using a flashlight.

Philosophy (smart) is knowing that the room isn’t dark at all, you’re just blind.

>>15100321
Nothing in your post refuted mine you IYI

>>15099260
WHAT THE FUCK DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH LITERATURE
IF YOU PHILOSOPHY DIPSHITS LOVE WHINING ABOUT /sci/ SO MUCH YOU SHOULD JUST POST THERE INSTEAD

>>15099260
Human Instrumentality Project, here we come!

>>15100229
that's the worst part

>>15100330
I wasn't trying to refute you, I'm genuinely asking you to even say something that can be refuted. You've made no statements about any topic other than getting assblasted someone disagrees with you. What is your position?

>>15099930
What a dumb theory, holy shit wolfram needs to get over his obsession with finite automata,
>regular expressions are proof of the multiverse!!
genuinely stupid, I expected better from Wolfram.

>>15100360
You don't know anything about math or physics, dismissed

>>15099493
>scientific literacy is swallowing whatever popsci shit is shoved down our throats
Lol no thanks faggot. Scientific literacy is strictly unnecessary for day-to-day life. I'm sorry bro all those wiki articles u been reading dont really improve your life. Maybe get a job?

>>15100365
My degree is literally a double major in pure mathematics and theoretical computer science.
You're a stupid fucking retard and if you take this seriously, you are REALLY dumb fucking moron.

Scientist can only aim to nihilism not Truth. The moment they solve one part other remain unchanged. Whoever tries to explain the universe with physics will only know that the apple falls from the tree, over and over, but can't explain sacrifice. And how as some things who go up goes down, others that go down goes up.

The moment science can explain this then everything will be solved. Until then this is not beautiful, and I'm very sure that Wolfram doesn't feel any joy in that, but he needs to create an illusion of happiness because there's no way back.

>>15100329
Based, im stealing that, is it original?

as long as the problem of induction remains unsolved i reject every scientific "discovery"

>>15100329
This

Honestly, if you love your kids never push them into any STEM field this is paradoxically what is killing the world, art and poetry is the only way to finding the Truth.

>>15100267
>science has a philosophy undergirding it, just as the master depends on his handmaiden so he can tend to his daily, non-quotidian activities
what did he mean by this

>>15100427
as George Lucas sez, "sciences are the how and hoomanities are the huwhy"

>>15100392
>Bachelor's degree
Ok midwit, you've said nothing to dismiss him besides mock words you don't understand

Science (dumb) is like being in a dark room looking for a black cat while using a flashlight.

Philosophy (smart) is knowing that the room isn’t dark at all, you’re just blind.

Poetry (wisdom) seeing the whole room and finding the cat.

>>15100452
It's like the triteness of a Hallmark greeting card with none of the commercial appeal.

I guess that is some sort of achievement.

>>15100451
He's not making an actual argument or point that's worthy of refutation.
No physicist is going to take this seriously. This is no different from his cellular automata shit some years ago. Stop defending form over substance.

Science (dumb) is like being in a dark room looking for a black cat while using a flashlight.

Philosophy (smart) is knowing that the room isn’t dark at all, you’re just blind.

Poetry (wisdom) is seeing the whole room and finding the cat.

/lit/ (especially dumb) is making shit analogies for the cat instead of finding it.

but what do I do if I want to BE the cat

>>15100452
Prose is wisdom, poetry is psued shit.

>>15099260
Will it tell me why I dont have a gf?

>>15100467
>No physicist is going to take this seriously. This is no different from his cellular automata shit some years ago. Stop defending form over substance.
No one ever refuted cellular automata. He keeps being proven right when there's multiple ways to falsify what he does. All attacks against him are character attacks.

>>15100452
>>15100474
and based is when you give up on looking for the cat and just use fuck your fleshlight in the dark

Woah bros brainlet coming through
Can someone explain why does this even matter? Are they going to get us all girlfriends or what?

>>15100542
See >>15100245

>>15100542
like I said earlier its literally I fucking love science shit. Disregard it

>>15099590
No, math is a language. As a language, it expresses a subset of formal logic. Physics, however, is part of natural philosophy, which has constraints that abstract formal logic does not. Two things can be given mathematical identity which may have no physical identity. This would allow theoretical physicists tk describe impossoble events for the sake of mathematical convenience. For example, making thr speed of light a fundamental contant and ordering all time and distance in reference to that constant, rather than holding time and space as constant and solving for variable speeds of light.

>>15099487
Simulation theory is nonsensical -- and I mean that in the philosophical regard.

What would the world look like if this isn't a simulation? Say you acknowledge we live in a simulation: what now has changed? Can you even do anything about it? Have the laws of physics upended?

Yes, we could very well be brains in vats, but it doesn't change a single thing you're experiencing.

>>15100133
>The universe doesn't run on rules
What does it run on then? What could possibly determine the outcome of any event other than some transcendent rule(s)? Obviously any models of those rules we have now are nowhere near the actual ones, but they must exist.

>>15100210
In the set of all possible dumps that come from my ass, one of them will replicate the structure of the universe exactly.

>>15100592
>What does it run on then?
Look at this rulesfag feeling lost and grasping.

>>15100592
>What does it run on then?
It doesn't "run" on anything. It just is. It's God's design. Sorry you can't understand this.

>>15100675
God is just a name for the transcendent rules.

>>15100038
seconded

>>15100052
agreed, it only coincidence that some physical phenomena have a mathematical representations, there is not some cosmic bond.

>>15100592
>What does it run on then?
The universe is just a large geometric object called Spacetime, embedded with various fields. Any linguistic "rules" for describing its structure will of necessity be approximate.

>>15099260
not /lit/

>>15100237
>reification
reality is reality, it does not equate with any single thing but itself.

>>15100766
>reality is reality, it does not equate with any single thing but itself.
Sophistry

>>15099394
This. I'm sure this new thing is neat, but I wouldn't trust Wolfram's judgement of his own accomplishments.

>>15099930
Soooo.... It's just cellular automata again but this time with hyper 3d whatever?

>>15099930
>Basically (up to what I read) the application of a simple rule can create a complex structure
what the fuck? chaos theory has figured this long ago.

>>15100766
>it does not equate with any single thing but itself
Give us an example of an object that is equal to something other than itself. We'll wait.

>>15100807
cellular automata with a side of graph theory and an extra helping of schizo

>>15100551
>math is a language. As a language, it expresses a subset of formal logic
wrong.

>>15100869
Well argued

>>15100418
No you don’t.

>>15100880
thanks :)

I can't wait to learn what is "physically moral"

>>15099260
Looks like autistic cybernetics

>>15100568
so...it's not nonsense. It may be out of our capacity to really understand the answer to this, but the knowledge that in all likelihood we are in a simulation offers understanding, and is at least somewhat useful.

>>15100869
cope with the fact that philosophy contains concepts more fundamental than math

>>15099503
>starting state of the system
if his theory doesn't answer why there is such a system in the first place instead of nothing, is it really a "theory of everything"?

>>15100164
Theists btfo forever

>>15101152
Well, unless there is some paradigmatic block (spoiler: there is, since the world is only representation) which would make it impossible for our concepts to understand nature further, we can reverse engineer the formation of initial conditions. I'm not sure how he would go further and explain why the laws of nature are the way they are and not some other way (a phrasing of the epistemic gap), but who knows--Idek how to science i'm just speculating

>>15101142
nope, math is more fundamental than philosophy

>>15101190
Logic is the most fundamental way of relating how one set of things necessitate or don't necessitate another set of things. Math is an extension of this.

>>15101219
Logic is a subset of math

So they can figure out "reality" or whatever, but they still can't send electric shocks directly to the pleasure centers of my brain? Why should I even WANT to live?

>>15101223
Prove it

>>15101142
what is more fundamental than 0 or infinity?

Guys, GUYS , GUYS! Stop fighting.
Yes, absolute materialism cannot explain all of reality, but this new wolfram stuff could be very interesting and enlightening as well!

>>15101242
Being

>>15100460
Kek

>>15100452
Science is the only thing that can at length give us biological longevity. If I'm going to die, how does anything else compare?

>>15101314
I guess you've never heard of the Sadhus or the Fakirs, huh

>>15101314
immortality is gay

Why do people, even geniuses, keep confusing the map for the territory?

>>15099630
Pure coincidence anon. Dont worry about such details.

>>15099479
>Hairy clit us
Hehe

>>15099260
What a nice paradigm you got there mind if I
>SHIFT

>>15101314
Bro you are one tiny little cell in the super organism that is your species, or, more radically your planet, or simply life itself. Immortality of the individual cell is not healthy to the body of the species. Death and Rebirth are required for vitality. You're basically performing incest on the universe if you become undying. And we hang sisterfuckers round these parts.

>>15101444
viva la revolution

>>15101444
>*teleports behind you*

>>15101362
>>15101456
Cope

/sci/ is going nuts. This is big news

>>15099347
They already have solved where it comes from like 10 years ago you dumb humanitiesfag

>>15099630
Rent free as always

We did it Analytic bros, we won.

Analytical philosophy: Winners
Continental philosophy: Loswers

Always fun to see STEM catching up to where continental philosophy was half a century ago.

>>15102167
Producing pseudo-science is not an achievement.

>>15102170
I love the term "pseudo-science" because people assume we want to be science in the first place lmfao

>>15102308
if you don’t want to be science you should stop appropriating its terminology to give your irl schizoposting a veneer of authority

>>15102328
Im not a deleuzean you fag

>>15099376
kek

>>15101256
a voice of reason!? on my /lit/?!

>>15102308
>we want to be science
Science is an activity not a person, kiddo.

>>15102471
Just the opposite. Materialism is correct, but the Wolfram stuff is pseudoscience.

STEM just disproved philosophy while /lit/fags stand there in disbelief

>>15099260
It has always been solved hate to burst your bubble

http://esotericawakening.com/what-is-reality-the-holofractal-universe

>>15102673
Wolfram's "theory" is more philosophy than "STEM".

someone explain this dumb gay shit for materialist nerds who try to replace soul and emotion and irrationality with faggot ass nerd reason and autism

>>15099260
how does this help me get a gf?

/sci/ confirms it's just ramblings of a mad man.

>>15102673
Deleuze already predicted all of this in ATP. Those "simple rules" are simply just mapping out every possible structure of the rhizome.

>>15103300
No.

>>15103310
Yes

>>15103314
Wolfram is a pseud, but he's not a full-on Deleuze-tier schizo pseud.

>>15103318
Wolfram is merely rediscovering what Deleuze already knew, nothing schizo about it. one only has to look at the imaging of the more complex models to know that what I'm saying is correct.

>>15103350
>what Deleuze already knew
and what's that

>>15103360
>The core of our models are rules for rewriting collections of relations.
If we take the rhizome to be the total set of all simple rules, then it is incredibly malleable in this sense, and all relations between different parts of the rhizome are capable of being "rewritten", thus demonstrating how one part is capable of being related to or connected to any other part.

>It is important to note that all that matters in these graphs is their connectivity. Where nodes are placed on the page in drawing the graph has no fundamental significance; it is usually just done to make the graphs as easy to read as possible.
This is the idea that rhizomes don't have a beginning or an end, sequentiality does not matter. What matters is that it emerges outwards from the middle.

In fact, one of the very first models you see in the technical introduction to the Wolfram project is the binomial tree, which Deleuze directly uses as a model to contrast with the nebulous, subterranean structure of the rhizome. It is a simple structure, whereas the rhizome is complex. It could not be more obvious.

>>15103350
Deleuze didn't "discover" anything, pseud.

>>15103398
Lmao.

>>15103467
Nice refutation bro, you got me, your argumentative prowess knows no limits

>>15099340
Schizo pop sci. Nothing of value.

>>15099362
>Deuluze
>Schizo
>Pseud
Yes, you're exactly right.

>>15103350
>nothing schizo about it.

>>15103491
>>15103486
>>15103485
>sci autists coping that Deleuze anticipated the greatest discovery of the 21st century 40 years before it even happened
How does it feel that philosophy is light years ahead of the curve?

>>15100444
Are you retarded?

>>15103502
Deleuze is a pseud, not a philosopher.

>>15101132
What understanding does it offer us?

>>15103526
keep coping, brainlet.

>>15103544
>says the 'cultural studies' major

>>15099674
other way around

>>15103547
Imagine thinking they teach Deleuze in cultural studies, lmao. Give it 20 years, he'll be taught in STEM classes as one of the most important figures in the history of scientific ideas.

>>15100592
it just does nigga

>>15103569
In your dreams, schizo. Also, using the term 'STEM' outs you as a turbopseud.

>>15099260
no one cared about his previous versions of this same shit and no one will care now.

>>15099376
Le benis particle :DDD

>>15101314
why would i want that?

>>15103572
Even STEM students use the term to make themselves feel good by distinguishing themselves from humanities students. If you have a problem with it, go talk to them and their fragile egos.

>>15103620
>Even STEM
There's that term again. The mark of the pseud.

>>15103518
no, i just can't comprehend your schizo babble

>>15103398
so how is this rhizome idea meant to be used, what is the point? deleuzelet here

>>15103623
saying pseud makes you a pseud get rekt faggot

>>15103771
Back to >>/b/ kiddo.

>>15103526
>>15103547
>>15103572
>>15103623
>>15103802
See >>15103479

>>15099486
>"turn off" consciousnesses (by making people unconsciousness)
why do we still do this?? murder..

>>15103750
For Deleuze, its a model for understanding the emergent spontaneity of creative thought and the proliferation of novel or uncharted connections between ideas. Think of it almost as an experiment in lateral thinking. However, there is an argument to be made that perhaps he didn't fully understand just what exactly he had discovered. When I say that the rhizome is the model of the set of all simple rules addressed by the Wolfram project, what that means is that, regardless of which specific rule is able to model the laws of our universe exactly, the rhizome itself the sub-organisational pattern which underlies the universe we exist in, and in which all potential arrangements of the universe exist in a virtual state; what the wolfram project will show is, simply put, which of those virtual arrangements has been actualised, IE. which is the "actual" universe we live in.

>>15100444
>>15100267
>daily, non-quotidian
wew lad

>>15103875
Pseud alert.

>>15099347
Consciousness has been solved

>>15100392
> what the fuck did you just say to me you little bitch

>>15102094
...they didn't you absolute idiot

>>15099260
It’s another “/lit/ shits on science from the philosophical perspective, even though they dont have the slightest background in philosophy, while trading wojack memes and accusing each other of ingesting onions ft. the random PhD seeking autistic STEMlords who frequent this board for some god forsaken reason.”
4/10, gave you a +1 bc obviously worked

>>15099930
Wow. Using calculus, which refutes Zeno, to take credit for Zeno's ideas. What a jerk. Also, absurd. Time is not discrete. The dimensions themselves are continuous and not discrete. The appearance of shape and unity can only arise out of continues, non-discrete fields. Mathematicians are brilliant people, but awful philosophers.

>>15100300
In the beginning was the Word.

>>15101242
Quantities are attributes, a subset of qualities. A number is a description. How can the description be more fundamental than what is described?

>>15099930
>Space, then, is discrete rather than continuous, and consists of 'abstract points' which are all connected together,
Wouldn't that make it continuous

>>15104305
>Time is not discrete. The dimensions themselves are continuous and not discrete. The appearance of shape and unity can only arise out of continues, non-discrete fields.
Oh yeah? then how come movement is impossible? checkmate atheshits

Are the people defending this shit ITT serious or shitposting? I can't tell.

>>15101240
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heyting_algebra

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematical_logic

>>15104363
I'm doing both because its so fucking complicated that no one ITT is going to have a clue one way or the other, so why not just sow chaos? gamers rise UP

>>15099376
I fucking love science!

>I fucking love science!

Not going to read this whole thread. Can someone just tell me if this shit is cringe or based

>>15104305
Time is discrete though. Nothing takes less time than planck time.

>>15104422
its cringe. The people who are excited by this or even remotely give a shit are the people who think xkcd is funny. Let that sink in.

>>15104422
It is a superposition of both :^)

>>15104426
Planck time is a measurement of time, and not time itself. The movement of the photon which gives the length of planck time requires the photon to have traveled continuously through space for the duration of the time measurement. Therefore, the time measurement could be further divided, along with the movement. The necessity of measurement is a fundamental limit to the understanding of math. Math, unable to examine being itself, but try to explain being by analog, which is never as high-resolution as being itself. Many mathematicians then fall into the fallacy of taking the measurement to be more real than what is measured.

>>15102516
let me guess,
> Consciousness is just your brain chemicals or whatever, dude!

>>15100210
Unfalsifiable claims are, by definition, not science.

>>15101314
You are a very vain person.

>>15101132
No, not at all. You are completely wrong.

>>15099660
Holy based...
I cannot believe neoplatonism is going to make a comeback... beautiful...
Brothers, I am crying...

>>15103502
>greatest discovery
>can't explain what it
>or how it will do anything
Pseud. Only retort to this post will be vague pop-sci conjecture with pie in the sky promises.

>>15099260
Do physics graphs actually look like this at a PhD level or is it just pretty colours to impress retards?

>>15105210
good argument

>>15105331
I did explain it, moron. Read the thread.

>>15100292
what am i looking at here?

>>15100073
No, you incredibly dipshit fucking retard, people who focus on science can recognize their knowledge as provisional and objectivity as impossible to arrive at. They can admit their fundamental uncertainty about whatever complete view of existence they seek. This does NOT, however, make faith a solid foundation for processing information and structuring opinions. It does NOT mean that evidence goes out the window and whatever you insist is true becomes such.

>>15105344
The latter. Wolfram hasn’t been a physicist in decades

>>15105351
You didn't and your failure to even offer any rebuttal is proof you can't even come up with something on the fly. Keep smoking weed and dude fancy shapes dude science dude dude dude *hits bong* dude *inhales* dude *exhales* dude.

>>15099260
/sci/ is calling it retarded lads. Pack up. False alarm.

>>15104426
You are wrong. Don’t learn science from reddit or YouTube.

>>15105392
I knew it was pop-sci midwitry the moment I laid eyes on it.
>space big
>whoa time
>fancy heckin shape
>unified theory
>quantum frickin entanglement

>>15099930
sounds like it's pure speculation plus wolframs preferred variety of algorithmic math.

>>15100444
philosophy helps science, not ignoring it or disputing it. the really important insights we can truly trust comes from science, philosophy has a role to prepare for these insights and clarify their concepts and the language in which we talk about them. french pseud babble about late capitalism totally being like schizoprenia or e=mc**2 being a gendered equation is pointless bullshit.

>>15105636
scientists have an infinitely clearer understanding of the concepts they use than philosocucks though

>>15105391
Scroll up faggot, I am not going to repeat myself again. You are sticking your head in the sand then going "SEE YOU GOT NOTHIN". Either reply to my previous comments on the relation between Deleuze and the project, or fuck off.

>>15099930
There's a lot more to it then this, in fact I would argue this isn't the main point of interest. You likely only read up to the section on space.

The really cool thing about this is that you can derive long standing physical theories/equations/phenomena and many of them seem to be inherent in the structure and properties of hypergraphs themselves (causal invariance being the most important), not on any particular rule.

The main problem with this imo is that it isn't predictive and also the rules and resulting graphs are globally "computationally irreducible" meaning that you can't make predictions about what will happen next even if you know the rule and you can't get the "true" rule from the current state of the graph. This leads to another interesting development where he claims that the universe might consist of a "rule space" (aka rulial space) which contains all the possible graphs from all possible rules and that the rule that we humans "discover" would only be the one which corresponds to the graph that we observe as a result of that rule. In some sense (unless I'm misunderstanding it) this generalizes the principle of relativity (i.e that the laws of physics are the same across all inertial reference frames) to the graph generated by a particular rule with the observer that observes the graph.

>>15105803
>scroll up, I made a schizo tier post and can't address things at face value and defer and deflect any time someone calls me out

>>15099260
>Finally We May Have a Path to the fundamental Theory of Physics… and It’s Beautiful
>@stephen_wolfram I create ideas, technology, science, companies, books, ...
pathetic

>>15105931
Keep trying, sweaty. you really are frustrated, aren't you? Why can't you address the links I made previously instead of insisting I make a new point just to satisfy you? Don't be so greedy. My wisdom ain't cheap.

>>15105955
What is pathetic about this? It is revolutionary.

>>15105955
Pray tell, what are YOUR credentials fucktard..... humanities? get the fuck out of here. I'll take the words of a fukin legend like Stephen heckin Wolfram over a dipshit like you any day of the week. Fuck the flying hell off.

>>15099347
>implying consciousness exists in a meaningful way

>>15105977
>It Is Revolutionary ... and It's Beautiful
ftfy

>>15106005
you guys are some real head scratchers for me.
Are you really saying you believe yourself to be an automaton? You have no subjectivity, no sense of being?
Am I just writing this for a zombie right now, the pixels in your screen will illuminate your retina, triggering impulses which get distributed by neurons, causing automatic responses, and that's that?

>>15099308
that means it shit

>>15105971
You made no points, you reinforced nothing. You are like the average Marxist who doesn't read Marx who just backs their shit tier arguments up with "you gotta read Capital to understand dude". Your inability to engage is mental illness at its finest. First you think your meaningless delusional Deloser tie-in, schizo post is genius. It's not. You act like a 3000 word post is such an earth shattering revelation yet you can't even surmise simpleton points from it. I hate to break it to you Dr. Anon but your dissertation is fiat built on nothing but the bubbles of pseudo intellectual ramblings of one of dumbest public intellectuals of all time (dude anus wolf dog machine anus choo choo, anti Oedipus!) which is open to virtually ANY interpretation, fertile grounds for a pseud like you, and now you see WHOAH SPACE-TIME-FUCKING SCIENCE pop sci out there which is the perfect confirmation bias to set neurotic midwits like you off in a state of mania. You are incoherent at every level and when exposed or question you obstinately reject any confrontation and reinforce your own batshit REVOLUTIONARY revelations. Hopefully you lose it one day and a chad psychiatrist gets you where you belong, a chronic inpatient of a state mental hospital chemically lobotomized with haldol and drooling in a corner.
>>15105977
>its revolutionary because I say it is bro, I'm not going to reckon why or speak on it, the fancy shapes, big big space and time time speak for themselves

>>15100675
Don't know if you are trolling or not, but God abides by his rules. You are saying "God made the universe, so there are no rules", when the contrary holds

>>15099260
Will it explain the fundamental physics of getting a gf?

>>15099930
>Space, then, is discrete rather than continuous, and consists of 'abstract points' which are all connected together
hadn't Planck already figured this out?
yu know, with planck length and planck time

>>15099260
This is literally just philosophy.

>>15106116
No, it's popsci brainlet retardation.

>>15099930
>Everything is just dots on a grid connected by magical rubber-bands
This is how I parsed it

>>15106115
I guess this new framework adds more to the structure of these interconnections of points

Too many brainlets ITT who can't comprehend.

>>15106134
Nah it's all big brains just taking the piss out of this.

>>15106134
>whoah space big, n time and sheet ooga booga, fancy shapes really nifty they must mean something because science man say so, it's it's that I can't esplain ids juss u can't comprehend.

>>15106181
Holy shit you are dumb.

>>15099260
Wow. After going over what he's posted I'm actually convinced this is game over.
By the end of this year, physics will have undergone a revitalization that will situate it in a hegemonic position in regards to how we understand reality. Literally no more philosophers. No more non-scientists period.
And the fact that Wolfram has made this a sort of "open-source" group effort means things are going to accelerate at a hyper speed. Literally the most intelligent people in the world are going to be utilizing this and fine-graining it. Never thought I'd actually live to see it but existence is going to be explained by physics. No more mysteries. Just knowledge. Beautiful.

>>15106214
>can't defend his harebrain DUDE SCIENCE open mouth drooling.
>upset when exposed
>w-what should I do?
>doh! I know
>You're stoopid

>>15106235
Pseud post.

>>15106235
>crossboarding anime fag using buzzwords to sound smart because he thinks this post will make people on /lit/ agree with him

>>15106254
>>15106267
why dont you bigbrains voice your concerns to the man himself? he's live twitch.tv/stephen_wolfram
I'm guessing you last 2 minutes before you tap out because it's all over your head

>>15106267
>using buzzwords to sound smart because he thinks this post will make people on /lit/ agree with him
You can't "make" people on /lit/ agree with you, their heads are too far up their own ass. They use pretentious vocabulary for their own ego, not to persuade another person.

>>15106235
It depends man. If his rule-hypergraph formulations lead to new testable hypothesis than it will revolutionize the field. If not, it's just more navel gazing. On the bright side it does seem like some of the graphs make predictions about the existence of certain kinds of particles that might underlie currently mysterious phenomena like dark matter/energy

>>15106068
lmao holy shit I was right, you are mad as HELL. I kinda want to keep antagonising you, but I feel its bad to mock the mentally ill.

TL;DR, be succinct or don't say anything at all. Right now you're just ranting like a looney, calm down and compose yourself, or check yourself into a mental ward. Maybe I'll be more inclined to hear what you have to say if you aren't screaming in my ear.

>>15105379
t. assblasted redditor

>>15106068
>>15106181
BTFO. how will "i fucking love science" ever recover?

>>15106407
>TL;DR
It's time to go back.
>Maybe I'll be more inclined to hear what you have to say if you aren't screaming in my ear.
He really ripped you a new one, didn't he?

>>15103398
>thus demonstrating how one part is capable of being related to or connected to any other part.
The points you reference in that image have distinct connections to certain other points though. It doesn't appear to show "any point connecting to any other part."

>>15106480
He shat out an aspie-tier rant that didn't even address anything I said previously. He hasn't refuted a single point I've made. All he's done is ranted about Deleuze being incomprehensible, which isn't an argument, its an admission of ignorance on his part. If you take an issue with my post, pick it apart with reference to the source material proving why it is wrong. Until you do that, there is no argument whatsoever, its just inane bleating.

>>15103875
>its a model for understanding the emergent spontaneity of creative thought and the proliferation of novel or uncharted connections between ideas.
This just sounds like a neural network.

>>15106498
Read further into the technical introduction:
>rules with disconnected left-hand sides (such as {{x},{y}}{{x,y}}) can operate non-locally and in effect knit together elements from anywhere—though such a process is almost inevitably rife with ambiguity.

>in effect knit together elements from anywhere

>>15103914
retard

>>15106513
So you're saying Deleuze anticipated modern developments in neuroscience too? damn, he really was a prophet.

>>15106511
He's 100% correct. You're some retard schizo pop-sci brainlet that thinks he has a unified field theory.

If you genuinely think this is in any way meaningful, you do not study any scientific field or mathematics, you have a very low IQ, and you should shoot yourself in the head.
This is objectively nonsense, absolute trash, meaningless bullshit. I am in disbelief that there are "people" who think this is to be taken seriously.

>>15106575
Based.

>>15106575
/thread.

>>15106557
>unified field theory
Not even close to what I'm saying, moron. I'm simply arguing that there is a really surprising correspondence between Deleuze's ideas and the set of all simple rules that Wolfram is using here.

There's even more things I haven't mentioned too, like the idea that, if there is indeed "one rule to rule them all", so to speak, if there is only one that is able to model exactly the conditions of our universe, then that corresponds to deleuze's idea that science tracks the actualisation of the virtual, proceeding by a series of exclusive disjunctions to show why this rule was THE definitive rule, and not the others. The other routes (rules) that are not taken coexist in a virtual state as compossibles/inclusive disjunctions on the plane of immanence. Just read difference and repetition, for christ's sake

>>15106575
Do you consider yourself to be smarter than Taleb?

>>15106575
save some based for the rest of us

>>15105377
something very spooky

>>15106634
If you don't, you should go back.

>>15106653
>Deulze
>pop sci

>>15106655
Why is he not intelligent?

>>15106622
>The other routes (rules) that are not taken coexist in a virtual state as compossibles/inclusive disjunctions on the plane of immanence.
Huh, not the anon you're responding to but Wolfram also talks about this in what he calls "rulial space" or rule space. It's near the end of the article when he talks about whether there's only one rule or multiple rules in one universe.

>>15106580
>>15106615
>>15106649
stfu you children
you literally have no idea what's going on and are just happy to see someone spouting something that reassures you.
if you think there are any legitimate problems with Wolfram's model, go to his twitch channel and ask him about it. He is answering questions.
try doing something other than vomiting memes for once. see how well your inanity fares in real life, dumbasses.

>>15106673
Exactly. People are so quick to accuse me of talking shit, but I'm simply drawing parallels. If they want to shit on someone, shit on Wolfram for leaning into borderline-continental ideas

>>15100292
>>15106653
take your meds, schizo

>>15106670
>HURR I AM BECOMING BwO, UWUWUUWUUW? FANGED NOUMENA? WHY IS THE SUN STILL SHINING, HURR DAAMN NEGROES AMI RIGHT MAGA KAGA
brb need to shave my forehaed bcs I am barely passable now

>>15106711
>KALI MAAAAAA
fucking kek'd, saved.

>>15106690
I have never seen anyone on 4chan this mad over anything. Have sex.

lmfao

>>15100164
>What are the implications of this?
The two most important theories of 20th century physics are general relativity, which describes the behavior of very large masses, and quantum mechanics, which describes the behavior of very small masses. Each has been verified by hundreds of experiments with a great degree of certainty. The problem is, they are mutually incompatible. They cannot both be true. GR being true necessitates space being a totally smooth "surface," while QM necessitates space being jaggedly shaped at the smallest level, a kind of "quantum foam." The most popular explanation is string theory, but there are multiple alternatives, Wolfram championing one of them. Solving this problem would give physicists a more complete view of the universe, and the implications that would follow from any answer could radically change how particle physicists and astronomers do their work. However, QM and GR both very much work well enough on their own, and since they describe masses of such different scale, they don't really interact in any significant way.

>>15099674

>>15099260

>>15107178
Anon... the whole point of what has been unfolding in the last few days is that that pic is a relic and if those physicists on the left were alive today they would be ecstatic over Wolfram's innovation.

Just be happy that you get to live through a renaissance in physics. It'll be cool.

>>15107217
>>15106808
>>15106653
Shit like this is unironically going to pop out when nerds try to explain conciousness and life with this

>>15099930
Looks like the shit i make on blender

>>15100191
Midwit take thinking a religion or philosophy cannot be adapted to this. Comes from understanding those ideas as cliche's informed by past forms instead of the fundamental characteristics that defines them.
>Poets
wtf do they have to do with any of this?

>>15106622
>simplicity leads to a surprising degree of complexity
>first a line, then a web
>laws could well be comprised of simple lines that then repeat to become the complex, web-like, three-dimensional universe we are familiar with
>other universes could be comprised of other laws
>if we keep plotting these simple sequences, having them repeat, we may come close to a three-dimensional representation of our universe that begins fundamentally from simple sequences (laws)
>e.g. complex bodies like animals could be expressed by a startling simple repetition of the same sequence
is this a genuinely new idea? It sounds very similar to Aquinas.

>>15099308
100% confirmed bullshit then

>>15100191
amazing bait

>>15106634
Taleb recruits pseudointellectuals with convincing rhetoric. His "ideas" are of zero utility and 90% of his work consists of shitting on other people's work that is actually useful

>>15107178
Jesus, that was demoralizing.