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>Although the experience of self-transcendence is, in principle, available to everyone, this possibility is only weakly attested to in the religious and philosophical literature of the West. Only Buddhists and students of Advaita Vedanta (which appears to have been heavily influenced by Buddhism) have been absolutely clear in asserting that spiritual life consists in overcoming the illusion of the self by paying close attention to our experience in the present moment. -pp 31 (Harris, 2014)
Is he right here? Is Buddhism or Hindu-crypto-buddhism the only path toward self-transcendence?

>> No.15085532

>>15085019
In this instance he is absolutely correct

>> No.15085599

>>15085019
What do you mean "self-transcendence" you mean DELUSION???

>> No.15085629
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>>15085019
>Advaita Vedanta (which appears to have been heavily influenced by Buddhism)
BASED

>> No.15085741

>>15085019
>BUH BUH BUH BUH BUH DIS KIND OF MYSTICISM IS LEGITIMATE BUT NO OTHER KINDS BECAUSE THEY HATE JEWS

lmao. He's low IQ and only got his degree because his mommy was important. There's a reason everyone who understands anything makes fun of this retard. He's not even Dawkins-Tier, and Dawkins is a total humiliated loser who helped his country get taken over by Muslims.

>> No.15085855

>>15085629
>Purists will insist on important differences among the various schools of Buddhism and between Buddhism and the tradition of Advaita Vedanta developed by Shankara (788—820). Although I touch upon some of these distinctions, I do not make much of them. I consider the differences to be generally a matter of emphasis, semantics, and (irrelevant) metaphysics—and too esoteric to be of interest to the general reader.

>> No.15085886

>>15085855
Lmao, he could have just said "being genuine is hard so I'm going to give you the Jewish mickey-mouse version of Buddhism that is completely meaningless."

How do people keep taking this kike seriously? At least he got completely blown the fuck out with Trump's election. I still remember his desperate attempt to cling to relevance after getting bitchslapped across the room on every prediction he made in 2015.

Shitblood. Hopefully his kids are homosexual and kill themselves so that his inferior line ends. Shit colored blood, shit colored souls.

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15086114

No, it is not weakly attested, there is plenty to draw from. If anything the difference is how this aspect is weakly emphasized to the masses in the West compared with what Buddhism emphasizes to laymen (but then again the end result is the same and average lay Thai Buddhist follower to put an example is not actively striving to transcend his self either)

Look at what the Desert Fathers wrote about, or Meister Eckhart or John of the Cross.

https://orthodoxwiki.org/Apophatic_theology

>The Three Holy Hierarchs all emphasized the importance of negative theology to an orthodox understanding of God. Later John of Damascus employed it when he wrote that positive statements about God reveal "not the nature, but the things around the nature." In addition, Maximus the Confessor maintained that the combination of apophatic theology and hesychasm—the practice of keeping stillness—made theosis or union with God possible. All in all, apophatic statements are crucial to much theology in Orthodox Christianity; the opposite tends to be true in Western Christianity, though there are a few exceptions to this rule.

The problem with Sam Harris is that he keeps picturing the Christian God as a vindictive sky-daddy, strawman under which it is difficult to see the possibility of any self-transcendence.

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>>15085741
read his phd thesis for a good laugh
im not gonna spoil it, because its too funny
>>15085886
this
>>15086114
>The problem with Sam Harris is that he keeps picturing the Christian God as a vindictive sky-daddy, strawman
Thats the standard approach of atheists, which makes all their moralfagging all the more hilarious. They clearly don't give a fuck about morality but they rely on the christian instinct to care about morality.

>> No.15086269

>>15086243
>read his phd thesis for a good laugh
>im not gonna spoil it, because its too funny
just spoil it mane, it's all good

>> No.15086309

>>15085019
He was correct until one extremely large noggin got a-joggin in the 18th century and absolutely BIRTHED a new idealism

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''Thus, a Witness is still there, we are just no longer identified with it. It hasn't really collapsed permanently. Then there would be no experience possible. So, the sage knows that the world and the Soul are in essence consciousness, but also is the Witness to the manifestations of that consciousness which maintains itself as a principle that is non-separate yet distinct from that consciousness. The sage retains a sense of self, a personality (body, tendencies and traits), and also the Soul's 'shadow' of that personality, the ego, in order to have a world and function in it. Egoism may be more or less gone, but the ego as a function is still there.

In Tibetan Buddhism, the apparent manifestation is seen as quite natural, with nothing much needed to be done about other than a change of view - of heart, attitude, or perspective. It is not meant to disappear''

>> No.15086475

>>15086309
>"Even the loftiest philosophy of the Europeans, the idealism of reason, as it is set forth by Greek philosophers, appears in comparison with the abundant light and vigor of Oriental idealism, like a feeble Promethean spark in the full flood of heavenly glory of the noonday sun—faltering and feeble, and ever ready to be extinguished."
- Friedrich von Schlegel (1772 – 1829)

>> No.15086519

>>15086475
>writing before 90% of them
Anyway yes, read Laozi and the Vedas too, plebe