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>>15065631
>Do you guys think we could start up Hellenic religion again?
You could but it'd probably just turn into a sex cult

>>15065631
>Do you guys think we could start up Hellenic religion again?
Sure, I'm already on it praising Dionysus every day.

>>15065631
I mean if you don't mind going to hell for worshipping false pagan Gods then sure.

No.
Paganism is a series of traditions that developed out of a necessity for survival in that region.
The need for such traditions are gone and as a result people have abandoned them.
The line of tradition has been severed over 1000 years ago. Any sort of "start up" of pagabism isn't going to resemble it in the slightest.
If you paganism Buddhism or Hinduism is probably closer to European paganism than any sort of neo pagan nature worship thing.
Buddhism might be a better suit because it isn't as india centered as hinduism.

>>15065650
>You could but it'd probably just turn into a sex cult
like christianity with all the pedophilia?

>>15065631
They already do it in Greece
https://www.ysee.gr/index-english.html
Angloids need not apply, you're no different to zoomer whores who larp as witches

>>15065730
Wrong

>>15065752
Wrong Metamorphosis retard.

>>15065763
what?

>>15065735
You're more likely to be molested by a school teacher. And also anyone who is an active pedophile will be punished in the afterlife.

>>15065631
Once a tradition is broken, there is no fixing it.
No exception to this rule

>>15065775
Nice cope

>>15065631
I'll get started on writing a new epic poem.

>>15065753
nope

>>15065785
It will be shit and you'll quit after 10 minutes max.

>>15065631
No, Since the hellins themselves largely aboundon it. If you read the works of anyone influenced by the pathagorians (virtually all the big names after) they subscribe to some kind of higher diesm and use the god off the old religion as archetypes and cultural tuchstones. Just Read Plato, Aristotle or cicero for example. In THe republic Plato wanted to completely restructure the religion to better serve the state and proper morality. Are you going to have a genuine religious experience, or simply a cultural illustration like st. peters day?

No. I think its best to bring back the deism that defined the height of the greco-roman, and later early Modern Europe. With evoking of pagan deities as art and qualities, while having a deeper metaphysic of The One. Escape from the false dichotomy.

>>15065781
Reddit called they want their memes back

>>15065806
They are different, and that would destroy the essence of the myths.

It already exist, and like all neopaganism it's LARP + cringe.

>>15065730
>Buddhism might be a better suit because it isn't as india centered as hinduism
Shaivism is as easily transportable as Buddhism, there are various Shaivite schools which reject caste and Vedic orthopraxy or which dont consider them to be very important

>>15065809
Your mom called she wants her nigger semen back

>>15065837
Really? Is the essence of the myth destroyed in Roland? In Arthur? In Paradise lost? Are Plato and Cicero not essentially both pagan and deist in one?

>>15065852
what's some good shaivite texts?

>>15065806
Deism too often worships man's own reason and ignores the love of God. As Kierkegaard said,

>he who love God without faith reflects upon himself, he who loves God believingly reflects upon God.

Also, if you restructure religion to "serve" certain purposes, you are not genuinely religious. You're using it as a tool for another purpose that you deem higher. We do not worship God because he is "good for us," we worship him because he is the good. He isn't Vitamin C, after all.

>>15065730
>>15065752
This
They already do in Greece and they are a laughing stock

>>15065730
>>15065852
It's almost certain that, practically speaking, the sort of rustic folk Christianity practiced in European hinterlands is closer to what European pagans were doing before their conversion, than whatever type of watered down Asiatic religion you import.

>>15065785
:( That's a bit mean anon.

>>15065896
Meant for >>15065802

There will be no resurgence in polytheistic religions. Polytheism is correlated to a particular amorphous, unconsolidated phase of the religious psyche. It tended to monotheism through a process of selection and pruning that coincided with the harmonization and unification of political and theological social structures. This religious evolution is irreversible.

Only a Cyclops may release technology from the dead.
https://youtu.be/E3vkwDzSl7A

>>15065922
Absolutely right.
Any sort of revival of this religions would be nothing but a show for others and especially for yourself, simply vain, shallow posturing.
It is impossible for modern mentalities to just go back to a less refined understanding of the world.

>>15065965
>less refined

>>15065922
>evolution
>not devolution
Christianity literally got popular because it was easier and more convenient for the masses (aka the weaker, dumber and poorer half of the human pyramid) to believe in something fancy that suits them instead of what really is.
In any case, it's retarded to base any part of your ideas on some kind of social progress in the first place.

>>15065865
Abhinavagupta's writings
Siva Sutras of Vasugupta with commentary
Pratyabhijnahyrdayam
Spanda-Karikas
Isvara Gita
Shiva Purana and Linga Purana

The Veerashaivas are the final development of non-dual Shaivism and will initiate non-Indian householders who agree to follow their rules of vegetarianism and no alcohol, they have their own texts too but much less of these have been translated than Kashmir Shaivism texts.

>>15065965
"Modern mentalities" can never override human nature, or, since we are talking about religion, what really is.

Read up on some Emile Durkheim or Joseph Campbell.

>>15065895
wrong

There already is a new Hellenic religion, though it has no ecclesiastical structure. It is the religion of the future and the distant past made present—Prometheanism. Fuck Zeus aka Yaldabaoth aka Yaweh.

>>15066162
based
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FjYc647E24o

>>15065895
Exactly. For example, if you talk to any non-urban religious Slav, he could recount you stories of Saint Elijah or Saint George, whose significance for those communities is based on cults of pagan deities.

But it's not just the "rustic folk Christianity". Constantine's very concept of the Roman official Christianity, that made the religion popular, is fundamentally different from what the early Christian teachers propagated. That is, life in small communities living very modestly but sharing material possessions without need of any state. What it turned out to be is a powerful guy that owns the known world using it as a political tool, thus essentially just putting some popular judaic curtains on his Roman-ness. The story afterwards is the Church fathers trying to make their religion fit the ideas of smarter pagan philosophers, foremostly Neoplatonism.

>>15066146
Wrong.

>>15065777
>>15065730
What if you took the old traditions and remade them into a way that fits the psychology of the modern day?

On a related but different note (since i assume you're going to tell me my first point will result in anything but larping with nothing genuine or substantive) is there a way to create new genuine traditions that carry real spirituality with them?

>>15065895
I'd agree with you if this was pre-1940. WWII killed off the atrophied Indo-European character that Christianity was still clinging to post Protestant Revolution. Maybe - MAYBE - in some isolated Slavic villages with birthrates of 0.05, yeah, that early "Saints might as well be gods, we're going to sacrifice a goat to Saint George and ask him for a bigger penis" Christianity might still be around, but everywhere else it's dead.

>>15066240
The sheer fact that Constantine's conversion of Rome, at least in official propaganda, happened because the god Jupiter told the god Sol Invictus to tell Constantine to baptize Rome because Yahweh's afterlife was the easiest to get Romans into alone should demonstrate how big of a difference in religion we're talking about here.

>>15066253
>is there a way to create new genuine traditions that carry real spirituality with them?
Yeah, it's called get off your ass and doing it. You'll be shot by the police for rocking the boat, as any actual belief system other than Liberalism is incredibly unprofitable (by definition) for Jews (you do not have to literally be Jewish to be a Jew).

If we didn't live under Liberalism, yes, you could literally go out, say that Zeus told you to do X, Y, and Z, and out of sheer numbers find people who would believe it. Hell, merge it with Hinduism, there are organizations in India founded with the explicit purpose of keeping polytheism alive by giving it a firmer doctrinal and philosophical background via importing Hindu philosophy and merging it with whatever local traditions and gods you have; this is a big thing in SEA, and really makes Jews and Muslims mad. That's how traditions start, some guy does something, and others join in. The LARPers who sperg out about how only BASED traditionalismist Catholicism with LATIN MASS is REAL tradition are basing their entire theology off of game of e-telephone starting with some guy putting a banana up his butt, who cares what they think?

Liberalism is setup, however, to snuff traditions out, because these things are unprofitable.

No, and it is tragic. Christianity severed the priestly lines of transmission and initiation, but more importantly, the modern westerners, even if they are not religious, is so used to the christian religious model and assumptions that they could not ever understand pagan forms of spirituality. Christianity created a unification of practice, faith, and philosophy which didn't exist in pagan times (all three existed, but apart from one another). With the idea of progress becoming dominant because of Christianity, practice began to look like superstition which led to the protestant reformation, which led to atheism and so forth, and eventually the baby got thrown out with the bathwater, and westerners began to view the other two through the same lens. As well, it would take a massive shift in how people view time and metaphysics, even the most anti-christian modern man views time through a linear paradigm, which is incompatible with paganism.

The only way paganism could return is if there was such a fundamental challenge to western society that the idea of progress ceased to dominate, I hope that global warming may provide such a challenge, but the chance is slim.

>>15066253
Is it actually even possible to create a new tradition? There's simply too many established options now to get anything off the ground. It'd be like trying to start the next Disney.

Gaia cults are going to be the next religion.

>>15066253
>>15066307
Capital T tradition cannot be created, only accessed. The plurality of traditions, as in ways of being in the world, is not a problem, only those that seek to dominate others (Christianity, Islam, Modernity) would view it as one. The focus should not be on starting a new specific practice, which would end up seeming hokey and larp-ish, but on fostering connection to Tradition through the individual traditions which still exist - over time, the old ways will naturally reemerge as people begin to slowly shift their practice as to align it with their cultural background and understanding of Tradition.

>>15066307
Hasn't it always been like that though? Plus all traditions in the west are on pretty shaky ground. They have a solid but shrinking boomer foundation, which itself isn't as strong as its parents, and all the new cement (gen x, millenials, zoomers) seem very poor quality and weak. It seems like the best time in a thousand years to start a new tradition in the west.

>>15066330
The "connection to tradition" people (pagans and tradcels and the like) are the most hokey and larpish people ever.
I've accepted nothing can be done. Modernity has won and technology is encasing us further into it. The old ways will never return. It's over.

>>15066307
Mormonism, Baha'i, Scientology, Japanese New Religions, all their connections to tradition are skeptical, but starting a getting people to believe and act in a certain way is the easy part

>>15066330
I think I get what you're saying but
>fostering connection to Tradition through the individual traditions which still exist
How do you do this? Is this done actively or passively in our subconscious?

>>15066246
butthurt christfag

>>15066340
Ok, read my other post
>>15066303

>>15066332
Let's say we're in a perfect world and it's actually possible. What should we call it? What will the core tenets be?

>>15066330
>. The plurality of traditions, as in ways of being in the world, is not a problem, only those that seek to dominate others (Christianity, Islam, Modernity) would view it as one.
"dominating others" is itself a will to power which is inherently traditional. If you know the truth, it is meritorious to spread it around.

>>15066353
The active component is picking a tradition, and maintaining practice (Catholicism and doing daily prayers, Hinduism and visiting temples and doing yoga, whatever), over time you begin to understand Tradition as a whole, and your subconscious and cultural background will allow you to see which practices can be shifted to better strengthen your connection

>>15066360
Nope, there is no 'one' path to the truth, it is dependent on individual nature and cultural background. Look into the Three Yogas for an example. Missionary religions only cause a mismatch between your culture, and your religion, which emerged to fulfill another culture and time's needs.

>>15066340
>>15066330
I have a plan. What if you went the Noble Lie route? You make up some framework of reality with gods, mythology, a specific morality, an underworld, seasonal festivals, etc. (not just randomly either but in a way that would create good livelihoods and communities and would raise children to be good men and women) and then convinced a large enough group of people of this and then got them to live in communities seperated from everyone else based off of this? You'd know its all larpy and fake but the people would believe it and it would persist.

Its not like I'm pulling this out of my ass either mormonism did this and its communities are still trad and successful compared with every other religion in the US at least.

Scientology to an extent as well I guess.

>>15066162
>Prometheanism
What's it look like?

>>15066380
>Missionary religions only cause a mismatch between your culture, and your religion, which emerged to fulfill another culture and time's needs.
every major religion today, including Hinduism, Buddhism, Shintoism, Confucisims, and all others, were at some point missionary religions. They still are really, hence why you have Tibetan Buddhist temples filled with converts in the USA. Hinduism didn't just autonomously appear all throughout South Asia, it was spread. Ironic to your position, Thomism holds a quasi-perennial position regarding other religions so it's not even so black and white .

>>15066386
I'll help you write the mythology and laws as soon as i'm done with my degree lmao.
Not sure how you're gonna do the convincing a large enough group of people bit, you'll need incredible charisma and you'll have to escape the wrath of the authorities cracking down on cults. Plus you'll need to resist the temptation to abuse your leader status to have orgies and what not.

>>15066253
lower case t traditions don't matter at all.
if you like them do it but don't think that celebrating a forgotten holiday is a replacement for an actual Tradition

>>15066394
Kind of like Star Trek. Only apply the technological innovation and Promethean striving shown in that show to the arts as well. It is man realizing his own Godhood in theory and in practice.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5AF4WKfgssA

>>15066403
>Plus you'll need to resist the temptation to abuse your leader status to have orgies and what not.
That didn't stop the Mormons.

Are technology and spirituality/tradition really incompatible? What if we worship the machines instead? Like having nuclear priests whose ceremonies involve doing maintenance on the reactor to keep it from going haywire and unleashing its fury on the land?

>>15066462
>Are technology and spirituality/tradition really incompatible?
No. According to Greek myth, Prometheus formed man in his own image, and Prometheus is also the one that taught us the use of technologies

>>15066462
>Are technology and spirituality/tradition really incompatible?
not at all. Religion transcends technological and material change.

>>15066358
Just call it straight up Hellenism. Stuff with "neo" always sounds gay.

This is just the first draft of the religion and I've never done this before so feel free to make edits or suggestions.
>Sort of a head of the church (but not really) will be the Oracle of Denver
>She has to be a virgin, and gives a prophecy after a dmt trip if you make a proper donation to her, her followers will be a group of Vestal Vrigins that tend to the eternal hearth, one of which will be selected to be the next oracle
>each city/region will have a temple centered around a certain god Zeus is seen as the preeminent god but is not the only one worshiped
>there will be a cult of heroism and bravery centered around Alexander the Great and the heroes of mythology
>along with this cult of heroism will be a rite of passage at the age of 15 (the age you became man in sparta)
>undetermined right now what the rite of passage would be
>women are encouraged to be fertile and good mothers that are not expected to hold a job
>everyone is expected at some point to marry and have lots of children but its acceptable to bang dudes if you are never the bottom
>if you are ever a bottom you get excommunicated
>there are seasonal festivals that everyone has to attend
>theres also a critical understanding of the balance between nature and civilization within the religion
>at some point we'll seek to gain our own state and creat a nation based off of Hellenism
Thoughts?

>>15066448
Does he glow?
https://www.businessinsider.com/the-us-army-star-trek-command-center-2013-9

>>15066399
Incorrect. The reason we can speak of Hinduism and Shintoism as select religions is because of cultural drift and the spread and integration of select ideas into local religious systems, the key trait of missionary religions is not the introduction of new ideas, but the forceful suppression of old ones. Buddhism is definitely a missionary tradition so I don't understand your point in that respect. And no, I don't think its that black and white, I was just commenting that the primary Traditional impulse is not missionary, not that they necessarily discount one another, in response to a post complaining about the plurality of traditions. Read De Benoist

>>15066386
>>15066403
Chains of authority and initiation are just as important as good practice and good belief.

But besides that, in my own opinion this sort of stuff has to emerge on its own so if you're set on creating a new tradition, the community should come first and the beliefs should emerge over time. If you want to discuss how that is done, with someone who is interested in new traditions and decently familiar with Mormonism, tradition, and the origin of religions add me on discord: Leaf Erikson#6293

No. It’s impossible to re-establish rites and relationships with these gods in any way that would be authentic and what’s worse, it would be completely devoid of any divine core of teachings unless they somehow came from divine revelation itself. If you look at modern day Hinduism, for example, people have relationships with the religion and specific gods that go back in their households over many many years and their religious teachings weren’t just some popular interpretation of mythology. It would be completely profane and would defeat the point. Further, Christianity effectively retained the many of the aspects of the Hellenic religion despite being quite different in outward appearance and popular affect.

>>15066477
How do we ensure the virginity of the Oracle?
The DMT thing sounds wild lol.
Rite of passage could be some athletic feat I guess, or some test of character to see how you'd act under pressure.
Tradfamilies obviously good.
Where are we gonna get our bottoms from if we excommunicate them? Will they be slave boys from other tribes?
Love festivals me.
So will it have an element of environmentalism/self sufficiency? That's my number one thing I think we need to include.
Where will the state be? Antartica?

>>15066471
The gods are not mere symbols though, there are often paradoxes in the myths, a deep irony. Prometheus gave us fire and insight, not technology in the modern sense. And, of course, it was cunning insight that allowed the gods to defeat the titans.
There is also plenty of evidence that the eyes of the technician are incapable of seeing gods, or even understanding the myths. As the other anon mentioned, worship of machines and workshops, nuclear power plants. The meme of Dyatlov almost suffices to explain this, there is an instrumentalism to modern thought which is quite opposed to any sort of religious thinking. The tragedy of the Titanic, and the hubris of machine beings.

Our relation to technology is anything but Promethean, it is precisely the opposite. Our technology has the form of fire, yet it is formless in its essence. At most we are mechanised slaves to fate.

>reviving dead cultural practices because you can't create anything of cultural value of your own, yet in your ennui you crave 'aesthetics'
Truly this is the most /lit/ behavior

>>15066482
Yeah I think we need to get the people first (let's be honest, getting women to come along is the main issue because overwhelmingly men are interested in this), all move to a communal farm or something together, then create everything else from there after we've sorted out the self sufficiency thing lol.
I'll add you on discord in the future, as stated before I have a stupid degree to complete before I can get too deep into anything or distract myself with too much talking, in fact i'm kind of cheating by partaking in this thread, it's just that it happened to be something i've been very interested in lately.

>>15066562
What have you created of cultural value, hypocrite?

>>15066551
>not technology in the modern sense
No, very much in the modern sense. Read Aeschylus. He taught us mathematics, astronomy, agriculture, navigation etc

>>15066526
Ritualized hymen checks lmao.

Yeah I was thinking maybe it could vary or have specific ones for specific cities or regions but you have a few standard ones like spending a week alone in the woods, or maybe running a marathon or triathlon under a certain time?

I'd like to incorporate some sort of slavery into the communities (since Greeks thought citizens shouldn't have to work) though I'm not sure how we'd be able to do that until we have our own state at least for now you'd have to go outside the communites to bang bottoms.

It will understand the necessity of how civilization is necessary for the human being to attain his full potential but also how nature is needed as well for this potential, and how its protection benefits the Polis. Self sufficiency and would definitely be a part of it yeah.

I was thinking something like Cascadia lol.

>>15066567
Even in the past getting the women was the hard part. Romulus had to do the rape of the Sabines to get Rome going lmao

>>15066582
I don't think you understand technology very well if you think our technology is anything like that of the Greeks or Romans.
Again, it is without essence or form. Fire without the insight that is released from it. There is no relation similar to the eternal flames of Rome, instead it is forever in transition - immaterial and formless.
Where are the Promethean statues of today? In places where they exist as a desecration. Our technology is quite literally setting the Vesta flames against the eternally regenerating liver.

>>15066606
Lol I guess location wise we'll have to start small, communal farm as I said, then as the world gets more unstable and our population grows claim more land. I'm surprised to find someone who thinks quite a lot like me on here. Guess i'm not really that special lmao.
>>15066627
We'll attack a soft target like comicon, enslave the soibois (the cutest will be sex slaves) and breed the thots.
>>15066642
I think technology is good but the unrestricted access to the point where every child is an internet/porn addict is bad. Technology should have utility as well, no more nintendo switches i'm afraid.

>>15066642
And a related discussion:
>>/lit/thread/S14833015#p14833389

>>15066642
Technology was from the beginning sacrilegious. Sacrilege literally means “stealing the divine”, i.e. the theft of fire by Prometheus. Prometheanism means being against the sacred order of Zeus aka Yaweh.

>>15066682
That's another way of putting it. Technology has Gorgon qualities, which are clear in video games and porn.

>>15066698
But then what of the technology of Zeus, his bolts forged by the Cyclopes? Again, there are subtleties and paradoxes which resist any clear moral reaction.

>>15066729
What about them? Technology is a tool for power and liberation. The point of the myth of Prometheus is that man was not meant to have technology, because Zeus wanted man in a state of weak subjection. Technology is our means to contend with the gods, to one day even overthrow them. Again, read Prometheus Bound. It’s all there. The greatest tragedy ever composed in the history of Western literature.

>>15066713
"Gorgon qualities" is a great way of putting it. I've unfortunately had to deal with the unrestricted access causing porn addiction from age 11 and possibly hindering my being a man of action. I've made great strides in breaking myself free, and i'll only come to the Hellenist nation when i'm fully a man who deserves it and can contribute to it.
For now, I have to go, but this has been one of the most stimulating discussions i've had on /lit/, perhaps ever.

>>15066753
Does Prometheus love foresight because it is a tool of technology; or does he love technology because it is a tool of foresight?

>>15066817
Well, I think the meaning of his name has to do with the fact that many technologies, like agriculture, require longterm planning. But I think there is another overlooked aspect of his name. It refers to literal prophetic powers, knowing the future. In Prometheus Bound, he gets into a prophetic trance and reveals a vision of the future in which Zeus is overthrown. I think prophecy can be thought of as a spiritual technology. Possibly people can be trained to acquire such abilities. Think of something like remote viewing or telepathy.

Paganism was deprecated, and the hope of all pagans fulfilled by Christ's resurrection.

>>15066574
>hypocrite
I think you need to work on your reading comprehension; nowhere did I claim that people need to create cultural value, only that it's pathetic to play at doing so with neo-pagan LARP.

>>15066682
We're special in the modern context but since we're likely consuming similar media associated with similar ideas, and Guenon is the big literary meme on /lit/ at the moment, its not surprising that we could find likeminded people here. Honestly when you finish your degree it might be worth making a thread stating how you're looking for other founders of this communal farm with a link to a discord server invite. That way me and other people like us can help plan how we buy the land, how we get the women, what our exact traditions and beliefs are, etc.

>>15066562
This. Medieval Europe is dead, and the Pope is a gay jew. Get over it and move on.

>>15066998
So Persephone?

>>15067012
What do you mean?

I perchance may go for cult/guru for truth of nonduality that transcends all forms if the divine manifests through me for this.
Would be nice as well if i receive channeled new techniques and practices from metaphysical realm that are adapted to modern age challenges to awaken oneself.
Of course this has to happen naturally as Eckhart Tolle did

>>15067157
Wot

>>15066482
>discord: Leaf Erikson#6293
Couldn't find you anon, are you sure the name is spelled right?

>>15065777
The hebrew language?

>>15067238
Judaism IS the Tradition, everyone else is just trying to ape it.

I'm 100% serious here, this fundamentally, in their hearts, what every TRADICAL sperg is on about; a mad, futile, vain, desperate attempt to distill the glory, grandeur, and awe that Judaism commands within Christianity into a religion that they can actually be a part of. They know, deep down, that Christianity is just spiritual fodder for the goy to graze on while the Jews have actual spirituality, and they desparately want to be part of the In Crowd. Despite any supposed "Anti-Semitism", they really and truly feel inferior, which is why they buy hook-line-and-sinker the Jewish lie that they can never actually do the only true way to ever get what they want: leave Abrahamism.

>>15067272
I don't have a problem with Judaism, however my point is that the hebrew language was successfully revived. Not any point about Judaism itself.

Baste schizo thread

>>15067282
(My mistake)

What he's talking about here is not tradition in the sense of "something that is passed on" (which can be made, broken, and restored at will), but Tradition in the sense of Traditionalism, which is essentially the idea that there is a single, primordial Tradition that all religions ACTUALLY are pointing to, while having only an incomplete picture.

Christianity and Judaism both believe this as core orthodox doctrine, and that primordial Tradition is Judaism, which all religions are actually just trying to ape. The only quibble Christianity has is as to what that "Judaism" entails.

>>15067300
I disagree with your premise. Traditions are replicated, that is how they are maintained. A tradition doesn't exist in the physical sense, rather it exists in the idea of continuity in the practitioner. It is fairly simple to create a new 'tradition' and just invent whatever ties you need to make the illusion that it is some continuous faith throughout history. See: The Council of Trent, Wicca, resurgence of Tartans, ect.

>>15067376
>The Council of Trent, Wicca, resurgence of Tartans, ect.
The council of Trent didn't invent traditions, they removed several traditions which had developed during the Middle Ages.

>>15067402
Case and point. The reformation didn't just come from anywhere, friend. All those reformers were catholic.

>>15067376
Which one? About Capital T Traditionalism? Yeah, I agree with your disagree, it's horse shit.

About how you can pick up a tradition (in the sense of "chain of people doing thing") at any point? As I see it we're in agreement here too: I can just make a new tradition that holds that it's the continuation of a prior tradition. If I start worshiping Zeus, and say it's an unbroken chain, the only people who disagree won't be the ones upholding a prior tradition, they'll be the ones objecting to the tradition entirely, so whose to say I can't, assuming I can hoodwink plebs into believing me, or am BIG BRAIN or SMALL BRAIN enough to believe myself.

>>15065631
>>15067352
If you are interested in Homer, sign up for this reading. All of the information is available in the post I've linked.

>>15067184
yeah its spelled wrong on purpose, do you want to give me yours and I'll add you

>>15065631
No because it was irrational and mostly ignored by the smartest people alive over 2000 years ago, you have no excuse to believe it now. Now Platonism/Neoplatonism, that’s something that everyone should be.
>>15065681
I know someone who claims to be a Hellenic Dionysus worshiper, they are a mixture of tumblr and reddit in human form. Those are the people you will have as compatriates

>>15066162
>Fuck Zeus
Here here.
I prefer the Golden Age

>>15066998
>Guenon is the big literary meme on /lit/ at the moment
It’s just four guys.

>>15066258
>The sheer fact that Constantine's conversion of Rome, at least in official propaganda, happened because the god Jupiter told the god Sol Invictus to tell Constantine to baptize Rome because Yahweh's afterlife was the easiest to get Romans into
I gotta read more about this, i googled his conversion story and only got stories of him seeing a cross in a vision and jesus speaking to him. Where can i read more about your version? I am fascinated

>>15065631
We have a bunch of African pagan religions here on Brazil. The cults are just smoke, dances and some animal sacrifices. It's nothing to write home about.

>>15065752
Extremely based

>>15065922
Except polytheism is still practiced in the modern world. But you're not wrong.

>>15066477
I like it. Can I be a pirate for this country?

>>15066166
Nice. Any more from the same producer?

>>15066606
>I'd like to incorporate some sort of slavery into the communities
I think having slaves give the international community a emotive reason to make an intervention in us when we finally get to the point of having a State.

>>15066567
>all move to a communal farm or something
This won't work because a commune is implicted egalitarian. Modern individualistic mentality will make sure that as soon as there is a minor disagreement the commune will disintegrate.
Also you don't start by worshipping Zeus, but the gods of the family and the place.
Read
>The Ancient City (La Cité antique), published in 1864, is the most famous book of the French historian Numa Denis Fustel de Coulanges (1830-1889)
If you want know how ancient Greek and Roman religions actually started.
Tl;dr patriarchy and ancestor worship, not democracy and larping.

>>15068518
Muslim countries literally have slaves and nobody does anything about it.

>>15068491
Sure thing bud, we'll need pirates to acquire more slave labor.

>>15065631
>Not modernizing Zoroastrianism

Absolutely non-Aryan

>>15068701
Proto-Abrahamic tier

Only one that would make any sense is Tyche. As everything is determined by the flux of atoms, so is ones lot in life. Thus it's not huge leap to call this circumstance, determined by chance, a "god".

>>15068637
>This won't work because a commune is implicted egalitarian
This is just incorrect

>>15068702
Stop that gay meme.
Zoroastrianism is de-niggered Vedism.
Keep taking Dravidian cock, faggot.
Anyone saying it's remotely like Judaism is completely uninformed.

>>15068448
Yeah but they're niggers so...

>>15065631
>tfw the Hellenismos threads were 6 years ago

>>15068815
Calm down Jorjani

>>15068858
Explain

>>15068897
It was the Guenonposting of its time

>>15066848
Good answer, anon.

>>15066848
Yeah, the primitive mind was not that sophisticated. I think you're reading too much into it. Prometheus was probably just alluding to the fact that he was a "witty" god.

>>15069163
Read Prometheus Bound, pleb, and then tell me that the person who wrote it had a "primitive mind".

>>15069171
Classical Greece was a period far removed from when these myths originated dumbwit

>>15068996
I need more detail then that.

>>15069163
>>15069171
And the Presocratics, Homer, Hesiod, etc.
The primitive/progress meme is retarded.

>>15069192
Progress isn't a meme. Prometheus is the god of progress.

>>15069192
>Presocratics, Homer, Hesiod, etc.
Were primitive af lol

>>15069197
>Progress isn't a meme

>>15069203
t. plutarch

>>15069203
Refute them and post sources

>>15069209
manchildren drinking onions is regression

>>15065631
We live in Hellenism everyday. The modern world is a Hellenic world.

>>15069222
Yikes

>>15069214
Hesiod thought that shadow was a thing and not just the absence of light
Thales thought that earth was solidified water
Anaximander thought that the stars were nearer to the earth than the sun and moon
Heraclitus thought that the sun and moon were cups filled with fire
I could go on but you get the picture.
The only presocratics that contributed something were Democritus and Leucippus

>>15069266
>contributed something
Ah yes, Thales and Pythagoras have those theorems too. They were ok mathematicians.

>>15065631
since slavery is immoral and it's simply wrong to keep worthless people to do dirty jobs, we need a leap of tech for that.
in other words,
> fully automated elitist luxury bisexual lit hellenism

>>15069286
I thought about posting something to that effect. Since proper citizens shouldn't work, but only do fitness and philosophy, but slavery is no longer tenable, the only solution is not to go back, but go forward, and let the machines do all the work for us. Thus hellenistic futurism.

Problem is, since when has technology allowed us to have more free time (unless we're talking about the unemployed)? Medieval serfs had more free time than the modern cuckolded (bug) "man" (as it were). And the little free time that we have it's expended with consoomerism and Jewish media.

>>15069308
>Medieval serfs had more free time than the modern cuckolded (bug) "man"
source? your perception may be warped since most accounts of life from that era come from the wealthy, and accounts of pleb life just got filtered out by time.
since it's a wet dream thread,i just theorized without considering reality seriously
hellenic tech accelerationism when?

>>15069332
They worked their asses off in the harvesting the season, otherwise they had a lot of free time. They weren't working 40 hours a week during the whole year.
>hellenic tech accelerationism when?
Fucking now

>>15065730
No. Everyone hates semitic religions. People clearly want distinctive characters to look up to. Just take a look at shonen anime

>>15065681
u tryn to sat u drinq everyday innit

>>15069437
>No. Everyone hates semitic religions.
I never promoted Semitic religion though

>>15069387
fug, seems fair. when i'm with horses i work every day but still have quite a lot of free time.
i wish an aesthetic mix of futuristic shit and beautiful nature was more popular, or at least a thing. automate the dirty jobs, leave the pleasant for us.

>>15069482
You shall be called Philippos or "friend of horses" in the Hellenic Archeofuture Utopia that is to come. Zeus bless.

>>15065631
>let's worship some horseshit at all because of "aesthetic."

please die.

>>15068427
I am interested too.

At least one thing that is interesting imand related is that the cult of jupiter and the cult of sol invictus were the two cults with the largest following in roman lands at the time, with christians being only about 10% or so.

I have no idea if these random blog/social media posts are accurate.

https://www.unrv.com/forum/topic/5133-jupiter-sol-invictus-and-the-decline-of-the-old-gods/
https://ianjamesross.com/journal/2018/2/12/how-christian-was-constantine

I already worship ereshkigal

>>15069482
FUCK YEAH HORSEMANSHIP

>>15069216
Agreed

>>15069266
Definitely go back and kill yourself.

>>15069332
Easy to search. We work nearly twice as much, and that's without even counting chores and all the 'free time' which is basically just preparing to go back to work.

>>15069482
The problem with this viewpoint, and I'm not only directing this at you, is that Hellenism is concerned with a period already in steep decline. A culture that is overly concerned with survival, holding onto its traditions, tends towards a moralistic framework, either the descent towards Christianity is assumed or, as in our age, art for art's sake. Neither of which entails what the Greeks had in mind. And in some sense there is already a push to reconcile nature and automation, but this may be a conflict of the end of the age rather than anything that can be resolved.
What is needed is a great period of becoming, or at least transition. This is not what anyone wants to hear, but it is the truth as deep religious thinking has escaped us. Note the manner in which guenonfag spams the board, ow Christians rely on rationalist arguments to defend faith, etc.

For me, it's Hera.

Hermes

>>15065631
There are neopagan groups already. If you mean can you rekindle the spirituality of the past, well no. But you can create something alike the old pagan religion. And most temples from antiquity are in bad shape, better just focus on preserving them for now.

>>15069437
>Just take a look at shonen anime.
Your post was going okay, and then this shit happened.

We have all the lore we need.

>>15070481
There are Italian and Greek neopagan groups in Italy and Greece. They're small, of course. The Turkish government absolutely DESPISES the Greek pagans, for reasons that are relatively arcane relating to Ottoman politics (tl;dr the Greek Orthodox Church is a psyop run by the Turkish Government to keep the Greeks pacified in preparation for a neo-Ottoman Conquest). There's also a surprisingly large number of Slavic Neopagans, despite their religion being the absolute silliest (in my opinion).

>>15068701
>>15068702
>>15068815
>>15068879
I'm legit surprised that Zoroastrianism hasn't seen a prosyletory hayday in the US and China. I chalk it up to Persian laziness.

>>15068427
>>15069669
It's something I pieced together. Some autistic spiritual Semite will come in demanding a ~CiTaTiOn FrOm A sEcOnDaRy SoUrCe~, and I'm an Indo-European some I'm just going to say fuck off Kike, do the reading. The entire thing is murky, as almost immediately after Constantine gets in power the Church starts working towards its own ends. This isn't to say that Constantine didn't expect this, or was hoodwinked or something, but rather that he just didn't give a fuck.
Books I got this from:
>Roman Honor
>Roman Aristocrats in Barbarian Gual
>The End of Empire
>The Eunuch in Byzantine History
>Religions of Rome, Vol 1 and 2

>>15070204
based

>>15068996
Not exactly. There were a few taking it seriously, but they had a lot of other interested anons generally interested in Greek literature, which was always there and is still here.
Gunan is about four guys

>>15069189
Put “Hellenismos” into warosu and read up. It’s kind of like the nordic people getting into “paganism”

>>15069581
>Hellenic Archeofuture Utopia
added to my imagined perfect reality collection.
just imagine. horses with kickass prosthetics styled like ancient armor, never dying of colics, revitalized at old age because Gods share the harvest of fruit of youth, trained to perform classic school jumps (https://youtu.be/oozXBbynyno)) to show off in wars that are fought not to kill, but to compete in elegance and mastery of fair fight.
let's dream together tonight, bros.

>>15069835
oh, i don't want the original strain of hellenism to be back - just the best of it (what i think was thebest) combined with modern additions. if life is already soiled with postmodernism, why not bend it to your own will?
no one can forbid us from borrowing only the likely parts, or only the aesthetics, while deliberately leaving some chunks out.

>>15065631
discord.gg/jWYETgZ

>>15071907
The groups are full of weirdos and, strnagely enough, dogmatists. I got kicked out of one because there was a poll asking whether you think the gods are literal or archetypes, and I said I thought they were archetypes. Wtf? Why did you ask then? It was a trap. I imagine they are all circle jerking right now.

>>15071956
These* groups
strangely*

>>15071190
thank you based anon

>>15071956
What do you think you'd need to do to join a mystery cult?

This is me >>15068637
You wanna see the closest thing to what an ancient Roman "Pagan" community looked like? Watch The Godfather. I mean unironically. Watch The Godfather. The clan and family structure in the Godfather movie is remarkably similar to how it was in ancient Rome.

>>15067741
Hsve you even read Plotinus or Iamblichus or Proclus or Damascius? They were all "poly"theists.

>>15067741
>Those are the people you will have as compatriates
No, those are the people whose bones I will gnaw upon when this world descends into its primordial state of alcohol and drug driven madness.

>>15073778
Based

>>15065631
>It easily has the best aesthetic out of any religion
do you insufferable cunts just cherry pick everything based on aesthetics? is that all people care about now? >muh aesthetics

>>15073778
>hose are the people whose bones I will gnaw upon
just like a dog

>>15074067
Better to be a dog in bacchanalia than a slave to Apollo's world order.

>>15065631
Well I’m learning astrology in lockdown and reading people’s charts for free on the webs so I’m spreading knowledge of the Old Gods

>>15065631
Threskia is a thing, it will be at best a Western Shinto

>I sprang upon the swift ship in the form of a dolphin, pray to me as Apollo Delphinius; also the altar itself shall be called Delphinius and overlooked forever.

>>15065885
>You're using it as a tool for another purpose that you deem higher.
What's wrong with that?

No field produces such a flowering of new exegeses as the current Platonic scholars.

>>15065781
Funny how you don't see the same vigor aimed against boy scout leaders, babysitters, teachers, and other pedophiles of the world, especially elites and Hollywooders. But those are just conspiracy theories, right goy? I guess pedophilia is based and ancestral unless it's the christcucks doing it, because crucifix man bad

>>15074024
It's all that matters really, no religion worships the true sources of virtue.

>>15075925
Boy scouts are the only group that comes close, and even then it doesn't point to the seat of a world organization that covered it up and legalized the behavior.

>>15075880
>>15065631

>>15076111
>revival
My eyes shoned

>>15065631
already way ahead of you, homie.
granted, I'm sure if I were to meet any other Hellenists/Orphists we would not get along. i read the Rhapsodic Theogony, and Orpheus' hymns, and pretty much made everything else up from there as a base.
Praise Dionysus and Father Zeus

>>15077031
>Praise Dionysus
Based
>and Father Zeus
Cringe

You are a few years too late. Hellenism anons were the guenon anons of 2016

>>15077041
Well where did they go then?

>>15077066
Guenonspamming apparently.

>>15065631
Check out the modern wicca and neo Paganism

>>15077080
>wicca
What if he's not a 13 y/o female wectern teenager?
>neo Paganism
Cringe larping.

is The Homeric Gods by Otto a good intro to anciente greek religion?
recommend me other books pls

>>15065735
>acting like pedophilia is unique to christianity
>implying Islam, judaism and buddhism don't have a way bigger pedophilia problem then the heavily scrutinized catholic church
Just the babydick mutilating and babydicksucking tradition of jews comes to my mind...

>>15066025
>muh elitism
Christianity got popular because the pagan roman elites were obviously corrupt as fuck, mismanaged the state and alienated the founding stock of rome from their own traditions and identities by extending citizenship to barbarians in exchange for military service, rendering it worthless because they watered it down. Christianity filled a need that arose in an alienated society. A need for community, a need for reliability and trust. Rome became Christian because it was corrupt and Christianity soothed the pain of Rome's neglected children

>>15078405
Good explanation.

When King Olaf instituted Christianity, Thor came to him as an anonymous traveler, drew down his brows and admonished Olaf for doing away with him. Norway had only became powerful by Thor’s endless battles with the Jotun, after all. This was Thor’s last appearance in the world. Have a care, King Olaf

>>15069787
>Easy to search. We work nearly twice as much,
Fuck, work would be so much more tolerable if it was just half-period.

>>15078405
Give this guy a (You)

For me it's Athena

>>15078365
They really aren't similar

>2000+ years later
>people are still obsessed with ancient greek culture
why is ancient greece so powerful?

>>15082124
just political reasons. Most Greek thought was done earlier and often much better by the Egyptians, Babylonians, or Indians.

>>15082124

>>15082124
Because they systematically opened most fields of inquiry in philosophy, natural philosophy (science), politics, etc. while also creating whole fields of discourse/inquiry just by doing their thing (theatre, historiography, most recognizable political forms).

>>15082137
Nice cope

>>15082159
>>15082155
>>15082137
i heard the average iq of a citizen in ancient athens was 125
that certainly puts "god's chosen people" to shame

>>15082164
>>15082298
I said nothing about Christianity? It's obvious that the Greeks became disproportionately popular because of the political influence of Greece and the Romans. You'd be an idiot not to see that. Plato himelf talks about the Greeks being indebted to the Egyptians in Timaeus. Egypt and India were just as important intellectually as Greece.

YOU MEAN WE WUZ TYRANNI AND SHIT

>>15082318
Not really. The Greeks liked to attribute ancient wisdom to Egypt as a sort of mythological trope, that's all. India certainly has fascinating developments parallel to the Greeks but they have no historians and never save older writings. The only reason anything survives in India is if a living religious tradition preserves it in its continuous commentaries on itself. It may be possible to wonder if 7th-5th century BC India had scientific developments similar to those of Greece but unfortunately nothing is preserved. All we have is legends, which are sadly taught to modern Indians uncritically as if they are straightforward facts.

>>15082137

Bump to trigger christards

>>15082137
>or Indians
Indian philosophy is the avatar of quantity with little quality

>>15084851
Why do you say this?

>>15084851
The irony is that a lot of Indian philosophy is actually influenced by the Greeks, but because people are ignorant they just assume that it's the other way around.

>>15084863
Proof?

>>15084863
>Not knowing Greek philosophy is largely inspired by Babylonian and Egyptian wisdom literature, even a Babylonian goddess Ishtar is largely worshipped in the Greek world as Aphrodite and as Venus in the Roman world, poor white people always need to be educated by midden eastern C H A D, first from Babylonian and Egyptian, later by the Jews with Christianity

>while Greek influence in India is far later till the Alexander's conquest, most Vedas, Samhitas, Aranyakas, Brahmanas, Upanishads and the both epic, Ramayana and Mahabharata already completed at that point

>>15078033
Abrahamic religions are larping too then

>>15078365
>Implying man didn't love to fuck a smooth boi butt and teaching them how to be manly

>>15065631
We have Hellenic religion, it's the Roman Catholic Church Sol Invictus is Chirst

>>15071041
Where's the lie though? The Z-Fighters were more life affirming than a bunch of literally-who saints

>>15085786
For the most part, yes. But still there are people who are genuine believers, while neopaganism is literal larping incarnate.

>>15085946
How's the desert?

>>15085953
No idea, I'm not some middle-eastern yid with a mutilated cock.

>>15085799
shit bait

>>15085804
No, they aren't the same. Sol Invictus and Christ were explicitly stated as being separate by Constantine (why else would Sol Invictus just be the messenger sent by Jupiter to tell Constantine to adopt Christ's afterlife for the Roman People?). After Constantine's death, they were clearly separated by Sol Invictus being a Pagan God.

>>15085946
>there are people who are genuine believers
And you aren't one of them, according to the Orthodox.

>>15082077
>sucking babydick and pedophilia are not similar
cope harder yid

>>15086339
>And you aren't one of them
That's not up for you to decide.

>>15065650
You mentioned this as a bonus, right?

>>15086620
I was born and raised Orthodox. You will never be accepted if you were not. Ever. I know how they think, laity and clergy. Yes, it doesn't make any sense given that Christianity is a proselytizing universalist religion aimed at converting the entire globe to one culture and one religion, that's irrelvant. You are not a BASED Traditionalist Eastern Orthodox Monk, you are an American. You were raised in under Protestant Hyper-Consumerism, and it has tainted your very being. You will never be Orthodox, and will never be accepted by the Orthodox, because they don't want you. They don't want America. They don't want the slime and the filth that has made you what you are and they don't want you because if they let you in you'll track it in on your boots.

They don't want you for the very same reason you want to be one of them: because you're sad, lonely, and adrift in Modernity and desperately want something to cling to. You can only ever take what they have away from them, and they don't want you to do that.

>>15086655
>I was born and raised Orthodox.
Good for you, and yet you express behaviour more suitable to pope-worshipping catholic heretics. More than that, you are full of hatred. What kind of Orthodox are you if you lay it upon yourself to decide who is wanted and who's not? Are you some indulgence-selling anti-Christ catholic? Christ forgives everyone, and the light of Russian Orthodoxy shines for everyone.
>you are an American
I'm a Russian. My faith is between me and God, it's not to be channeled through some earthly intermediary gatekeeper like you or the roman pope.

>>15086730
I already addressed your entire post here

>>15086655
>that's irrelvant

It's not about the religion, my dude. It's entirely about America, and the people in it. What I, personally, believe is irrelevant, because these American "Converts" don't actually believe anything. All that matters is aesthetics and the herd, because that's all that these people want. You want to go teach them the good word of Orthodoxy? Be my guest, but that's not what they want, so be prepared to be disappointed.

>>15086756
>these American "Converts" don't actually believe anything. All that matters is aesthetics and the herd
You are full of hatred and nihilism, I wish you to find peace for your soul.
>You want to go teach them the good word of Orthodoxy?
No one can force people to learn love. All you can do is love people like you love your children, only then by accessing the light of Russian Orthodoxy through other ones people can truly feel the Christ's love upon their souls. Be kind and loving to people, it's not that hard.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FneNd9UvC_g

>>15086756
There are Orthodox converts in America? I thought any Orthodox there were all immigrants.

>>15065922
I don't think you're wrong, but "this evolution is irreversible" while vacuously correct implies too much. I agree that there will be no resurgence in polytheistic religions as they were, but a state of amorphous, chaotic, confused state of religious consciousness doesn't seem (to me) out of the question for our future.

>>15086655
I dare you find any public statement to that effect by any orthodox clergyman in any official capacity

>>15067157
why was this image already enlarged

>>15086655
I guess I should tell the local Orthodox in my area to stop converting people and opening churches left and right with their mostly convert clergy then.

>>15075880
>>15076111
Based.

>>15065806
good post.

>>15065650
>turn into a sex cult
>turn into

Christcucks get out.