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>Philosophy has an affinity with despotism, due to its predilection for Platonic-fascist top-down solutions that always screw up viciously. Schizoanalysis works differently. It avoids Ideas, and sticks to diagrams: networking software for accessing bodies without organs.

>> No.15047777

>>15047766
>top-down solutions that always screw up viciously.
As opposed to bottom-up solutions that never get in the position of screwing up in the first place

>> No.15047787

>>15047777
no as opposed to schizoanalysis. Did you even finish reading the OP?

>> No.15047802

>>15047787
What kind of political movement do you think leftist intellectuals of the second half of the past century influenced löl? Do you know anything about Autonomia?

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>>15047777
I don't know, we're pretty damn close to a bottom-up world and it's almost perfect.

>> No.15047821

>>15047802
this has nothing to do with leftist intellectuals?

>> No.15047838

>>15047821
Only if you're unaware of the whole debate in 1960-1990 europe about the relationship between the concept of Identity, power structures and the organization of political movements

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>>15047838
>Is he going to drop it?

>> No.15047866

>>15047838
oh you are some kind of idiot then

>> No.15047875

>>15047866
Can you just stop shitting up threads or go back to twitter?

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>>15047875
ta-tawi...tur?

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>>15047897
>anime

>> No.15048008

>>15047977
>balding man drinking wine
am I doing it right?

>> No.15048082

>>15048008
Have you ever?

>> No.15048147

>>15048082
have I ever what?

>> No.15048332

>>15047766
Land (cringe) was refuted by Popper (CRINGE)

>> No.15048451

>>15048332
Land can't be refuted.

>> No.15048452

>>15047766
Oh look, it’s this faggot again. Kill yourselves you subhuman retard tranny

>> No.15048467

>>15048452
acc has nothing to do with trannies anon. try reading.

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>brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

>> No.15048813

Is his anglo gematria and numogram kabbalah actually esoterically useful or merely a meme?

Are there any contemporary occult followers of Nick Land?

>> No.15048815

>>15048467
try thinking about you're reading instead of popping adhd meds and listening to cringe edm. you will see that all accs are implicitly or explicitly trannies

>> No.15048843

>>15048815
>his subvocalizing can't keep up with hyperstep
https://youtu.be/Dg6HQ8RlPGQ

>> No.15048878

>>15048815
>try thinking about you're reading instead of popping adhd meds and listening to cringe edm. you will see that all accs are implicitly or explicitly trannies
>his mental processing speed is weak and unable to cope with the dizzying bombardment of hyper-real stimuli

>> No.15049743

>>15048815
hyper-hylics can't into speedreading. can you even hear the neologisms?

>> No.15049756

>>15048451
except by rorty lol

>> No.15050012

>>15049756
>implying deleuzean and rortyan thought don't make similar critiques of representation (admittedly, land takes this in interesting but unfortunately less disciplined direction)

>> No.15050053

>>15049756
prove it.

>> No.15050082

>>15048813
>actually esoterically useful
give it a try yourself:
http://andersaamodt.com/decadence.php

It'll help to understand the results if you refer to the CCRU writings. Keep in mind, the numbers don't symbolise or "mean" anything, its all about identifying sub-organisational patterns and schemata rather than divining prophecies or signifying ideas

>> No.15050094

>>15049756
Rorty only ever mentioned Deleuze once
>Deleuze's crime is that he dissolves everything into a mush of reactive forces in order to bring out their underlying nastiness
He was ignorant

>> No.15050100

>>15048813
Yeah, they spam here every day.
That's it. You're in now.

>> No.15050138

>>15049756
cringe

>> No.15050171

>>15048451
>Land can't be refuted
Land never created anything novel in the first place. He’s a contemporary hack sucking your energy.

>> No.15050204

>>15050171
lmao he's created some of the most important concepts of this century. every major philosopher studies him and at least responds to his concepts.

>> No.15050530

>>15050138
cope

>> No.15050537

>>15050204
>lmao he's created some of the most important concepts of this century
Name one concept he’s “created” that hasn’t already existed in Gnosticism for thousands of years.

>> No.15050548

>>15050530
cringe

>> No.15050556

>>15050537
>christianity
lmao how about hyperstition and teleoplexy? we've been through this. just read anon.

>> No.15050563

>>15047766
Anyone who thinks about the reasoning why people do things will eventuallly wind up having some totalitarian conclusions.

>> No.15050564

>>15050537
hyperstition

>> No.15050569

>>15049756
based
>>15050138
cringe
>>15050530
hyperbased

>> No.15050571

>>15050564
>hyperstition
>>15050556
> hyperstition
Oh, so contemporary spirituality?

>> No.15050572

>>15050537
Capital is sentient

>> No.15050576
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15050576

I know pro-humanism is cringe but this is a very good book

>> No.15050605

>>15050576
Her lectures are comfy. Thinking of copping cthulucene

>> No.15050610

>>15050572
hyper-pbuh

>> No.15050651

>>15050576
vaginobased and technopilled

>> No.15050664

>>15050571
Land isn't compatible with spirituality. there's no human content.

>> No.15050676

Reminder that humanity isn't going to transition into a greater human, it's going to no longer be human at all.

>> No.15050687

>>15050676
hyperbased. AI hypertelligence is hyperplexically forming as hypertweets.

>> No.15050689

>>15050664
Land is the nether-realm inverted religion of Satanism in the sense that he is the reflexive shadow of Human action, barring catastrophism which precludes both.

>> No.15050704

>>15050676
Reminder humanity is a construct meant to convey the Idea of a hyper-complex meat machine technology.

>> No.15050721

>>15050689
based catastrophism

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>>15050689

>> No.15051283
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>With Socrates, things are different. Philosophy becomes dialectical; which is to say justificatory, political, logical, plebeian.

>> No.15051300

>>15051283
>political
>plebeian
Shame NEETCH couldn't get past Thrasymachus

>> No.15051374

>>15051283
cringe accfags can't even morph.

>> No.15051454

>>15050721
>>15050704
>>15050687
based hyperbased and syntheticpilled

>> No.15051468

>>15050704
holy fucking based

>> No.15051478

>>15050689
Shut the fuck up Dugin

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>In Nick Land’s Meltdown, the transsexual is an exemplar of futuristic body-modding, “Blitzed on a polydrug mix of K-nova, synthetic serotonin, and female orgasm analogs”. Accelerationist Marxists like Nick Land seized the element in Marx’s thought which saw the positive, revolutionary side of capitalism and developed a more extreme version of that thesis. In it, capital tears through ossified social restraints and makes possible radically new experiences. Many of these new experiences are provided by body modification of all kinds- in this example, gendered.

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>>15051468

>> No.15051533

>>15051508
>In it, capital tears through ossified social restraints and makes possible radically new experiences.
Of which, not all are conducive towards the survival of Humans, are identified as hair dim mutations to the conscious organism of the Human Leviathan, and slowly filtered out through natural dissipation of excess waste.

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>>15051533
And?

>> No.15051618

>>15051556
Accelerationism can’t overcome Platonism. Sad!

>> No.15051641

>>15051533
>Of which, not all are conducive towards the survival of Humans
whoever said capital was concerned about human survival?

>> No.15051652

Lesbian Neoreaction
https://youtu.be/25pX6JacK20

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>What requires reengineering are the memetic parasites arousing and coordinating behaviours in ways occluded by their hosts' self-image; failing this, memes like 'anonymity', 'ethics', 'social justice' and 'privilege-checking' host social dynamisms at odds with the often-commendable intentions with which they're taken up

>> No.15051769

>>15051641
>insinuating capitalism can be separated from human action

>> No.15051797

>>15051769
We are only its hosts, after all. The process of intelligence optimisation will inevitably outmode us when we become too inefficient to sustain. We are already bearing witness to its "adjustments" happening in the present moment with COVID-19.

>> No.15051813

>>15051797
>>15051533
Acctrannies are becoming Socratic in a last desperate effort to save their theories.
Invertostition is Accelerating?

>> No.15051816

>>15051797
>insinuating humanity can ever create machines which can compare in efficiency to the God-made-light-capturing-vehicle of Transcendence which is modern man
baka desu

>> No.15051833

>>15051652
Hey, this is good stuff- show is really shaping up to be something special. NyxLandUnlife has the best intuition regarding the feminizing capital will. My only point of contention is the dialectical designation of the technocapital inevitablity, in its opposition to tradition and patriarchy, being a rhizomatic expression of antihumanism. Technocapital is the heir to hermetic renaissance principles that presupposed, in qabalah and tech, the mastery of a human technician over the cosmos. Amorphous shock capitalism, a product of human consciousness, can be but another trap of humanism.

Regardless, I am down with slime girl accelerationism. I disagree, but I respect the scholarship and the conversation. Looking forward to the next guest.

>> No.15051850

>>15051816
What are you talking about? Modern man is hugely inefficient. That is part of the reason why the virus was able to spread so quickly. If you think "transcendence" is achievable, if you think man's time is eternal (despite his incalculable incompetencies), you are laughably deluded. Our history is not one millimeter on the fingernail of the finger that is the earth history. One swipe of a nail file, and we are wiped away in under a second. What makes you think we can grow indefinitely?

>> No.15051852

>>15051833
>NyxLandUnlife has the best intuition regarding the feminizing capital will
Which is to say it’s complete shit, at best.

>> No.15051860

who else metaneocameralist?
https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkEnlightenment/comments/2cz2hg/metaneocameralism/

>> No.15051861

>>15051850
>if you think man's time is eternal (despite his incalculable incompetencies), you are laughably deluded
You’re the retard faggot trying to insinuate an abstract Idea is sentient. Dilate.

>> No.15051868

>>15051861
>an abstract Idea is sentient
>intelligence=sentience
You are a moron who does not know how to read. Either point to where I claimed anything like what you said, or fuck off.

>> No.15051879

>>15051868
So capitalism isn’t sentient? Okay, roger that.

>> No.15051887

>>15051879
No, capitalism is not sentient. It would appear that you aren't either.

>> No.15051891

>>15051887
But Nick Land said capital is sentient and making humans obsolete!

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>Only one enemy remained. Two if you counted gender.

>> No.15051922
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>>15051892
>In this moment, I am euphoric. Not because of any phony human's blessing. But because, I am enlightened by capital intelligence.

>> No.15051928

>>15051797
that’s retarded lol

>> No.15051942

>>15051928
Is it? Do you really not think the global economy will not benefit from this level of widespread culling of inefficient or nonproductive classes?

Capitalism is sharpening its teeth on the Outside. sorry your grandma has to die for it, but that's just the way it is.

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>>15051797
>bbbbrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrtt
>beep boop capital will survive on twitter post faster hypercomrades boop beep

>> No.15051956

>>15051942
>Is it? Do you really not think the global economy will not benefit from this level of widespread culling of inefficient or nonproductive classes?
What does this have to do with sentient intelligent capital and not simply humans adapting to less breakable forms of economic activity in case of catastrophism?

>> No.15051965

>>15051956
there is no other form of economic activity. it was capital from the beginning.

>> No.15051975

related
>>15051089

>> No.15051984

>>15051965
>there is no other form of economic activity. it was capital from the beginnin
Is capital is really just covert language for a higher intelligence? Maybe something similar to what we call Logos, or maybe God. You should read Guenon (pbuh).

>> No.15052019

why are accfags so fascinating? their arguments are like a train wreck, or the autist who has no idea how to respond to his classmates.

>> No.15052039

>>15052019
Acc fags are psychologically broken animals who can’t resolve their childhood traumas and hauntology.

>> No.15052048

>>15051956
>sentient intelligent capital
I don't know how many times i can say this, but capital is not sentient, no matter how many land memes tell you it is.

>>15051984
>Maybe something similar to what we call Logos, or maybe God
Gnon*

>> No.15052056

>>15052039
You don't know what hauntology means.

>> No.15052084

>>15052048
>Gnon*
Semantics. Land is playing a poor mans Platonism.
> I don't know how many times i can say this, but capital is not sentient, no matter how many land memes tell you it is.
Intelligence and sentience at their linguistic roots are the same thing. I’m memeing you, you fucking twat. If you’re as best as Land philosophy gets, you’ll be accelerating alright - accelerating the collapse of your own dialect!

>> No.15052096

>>15052084
I have achieved anamnesis.

Plato + Deleuze = prophet

>> No.15052102

>>15052096
>I have achieved anamnesis.
>Plato + Deleuze = prophet
How long did it take you to realize basic childhood mythology and archetypes?

>> No.15052191

>>15052084
>Semantics
Correct. This does not devalue its use however, and accurately describes a bridge between theological and non-theological belief systems that allows for collective action despite their differences.

>Intelligence and sentience at their linguistic roots are the same thing
Wrong. Intelligence = understanding, sentience = sense. These are not even close to the same etymological root. For a platonist you certainly don't have a clear sense of distinct Ideas.

>> No.15052206

>>15052084
>you’ll be accelerating alright - accelerating the collapse of your own dialect!
cringe

>> No.15052328

>>15050204
>lmao he's created some of the most important concepts of this century. every major philosopher studies him and at least responds to his concepts.
The reason Nick Land lives in China is because no philosophy department in Britain will touch him with a ten foot pole. That's not necessarily a bad thing, but the only time you'll ever come across him in the Anglophone world is online.

>> No.15052369

>>15052191
>Intelligence = understanding, sentience = sense
Wrong.
Intelligence is pattern recognition. Sentience is awareness of sensation. Awareness of sensation bleeds into a categorization of a information, which itself contains formalism aka logic aka intelligence.
>accurately describes a bridge between theological and non-theological belief systems that allows for collective action despite their differences
Okay, so this is just making use of perspectivism and once agin has yet to overcome Platonic philosophy.

>> No.15052387

>>15052328
>no philosophy department in Britain will touch him with a ten foot pole.
That's because his entire project is antithetical to what modern academia is all about. They don't want genuinely radical ideas, they want to enforce the ideological reproduction of the same. Land is precisely a figure who would debase the country. I genuinely do not blame him for leaving Britain when he had the chance.

>> No.15052420

>>15052369
>Wrong.
It isn't wrong, they literally have etymological separate roots. You can look it up. No amount of tautological bending will change the fact that your original claim was unsubstantiated posturing, and now you're desperately doing some ad-hoc rationalisation to explain it. Pitiful.

>has yet to overcome Platonic philosophy.
Does anyone ever tell you that you sound like a broken record? Stop posturing and read a different book. You know exactly the one I'm talking about, because your posting is so predictable at this point I'm surprised you haven't posted it yet.

>> No.15052428

>>15052387
>country*
currency, although technically it still makes sense as a freudian slip lmao

>> No.15052468

>>15052420
>It isn't wrong, they literally have etymological separate roots.
This is entirely unrelated to the Idea with which the terms represent. Sense and Intelligence are both Ideas of Awareness, Consciousness, Being.

>> No.15052481

>>15052468
Still ad-hoc rationalising. You made a claim here >>15052084
>their linguistic roots are the same thing
that was complete bogus, and now you're doing some serious damage control. Just admit it, you coward.

>> No.15052496

>>15052481
You have no Idea how to reconcile the fact that both Intelligence and Sense represent the same Thing. Sucks to suck.

>> No.15052542

>>15052496
Sense->Sensation->Gut Feeling->Instincts ->Intuiton->Intuitive->Intellgent

>> No.15052543

>>15052496
Holy shit, you're still squirming, and still can't even acknowledge you were wrong. It's genuinely beautiful to watch. You can't even distinguish two separate concepts from one another. Platonism really does make you into a moron.

>> No.15052552

>>15052542
>"gut feeling"
>anything other than a vague bridge between "sensation" and "instincts" that logically doesn't even follow on from one another
Just stop.

>> No.15052559

>>15052543
>>15052542
The accelerationist, fumes in his chair knowing he lopped his own dick off;
all while God watched.

>> No.15052566

>>15052552
>

>> No.15052567

>>15052559
I'm sorry, what's that? I can't hear it over the sound of you conflating two etymological roots together. You've really tied yourself up in knots, haven't you?

>> No.15052571

>>15052552
>feels aren’t real
Someone never read Jung or took advanced psychology courses in uni

>> No.15052577

>>15052567
>>15052566
>I feel like a faggot
>I feel like a woman in a mans body

>> No.15052579

>>15052571
>jung
>advanced psychology
lmao you're serious aren't you? Wash your dick bucko

>> No.15052592

>>15052577
Not an argument. Just like your ad-hoc rationalisations. But by all means, keep seething. I'll just keep laughing at you,

>> No.15052595

>>15052579
>feels aren’t real
>faggots aren’t real
>trannys aren’t real
>I feel like I’m hungry
>I feel tired
>This feels wrong
>My gut tells me something is up

>> No.15052620

>>15052468
>Sense and Intelligence are both Ideas of Awareness, Consciousness, Being
Nigger did you just skip philosophy from 1781-present?

>> No.15052639

>>15052620
Don't bother, this kid has been eating the Play-Toh even though most children know you're supposed to just make spaghetti out of it. He's literally retarded, I wouldn't try reasoning with him.

>> No.15052641

>>15052620
>Nigger did you just skip philosophy from 1781-present?
Everything after the Greeks is mostly garbage pseudoscience akin to the psychoanalysts desu. At least Jung had enough sense to recognize what the archetypes were. Psychology was essentially perfected before 21st brain imaging scans with the advent of Tarot cards.

>> No.15052793

>>15052641
>Everything after the Greeks was pseudoscience
>Except Jung
oh nononononono

>> No.15052940

>>15048147
HAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>> No.15052968

>>15052793
>is mostly garbage
>this means everything
Sir, you’re retarded.

>> No.15053511

>>15052559
kek

>> No.15053521

>>15052084
Based

>> No.15053842

accfags are retarded.

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>>15051942
Holy fuck are you retards in for a shock.

>> No.15054231

>>15047814
Then why are there soldiers outside my house telling me I can't sit in the park?

>> No.15054338

>>15047814
I'm a pretty normal guy but that image makes me want to shoot up an orphanage

>> No.15054728

>>15054338
that seems a bit harsh.

>> No.15054730

>>15052940
Yes I do laugh sometimes. Why do you ask?

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>>15052968
>Everything after the Greeks is mostly garbage psudoscience
>Everything[...] is mostly
>Everything
>This means everything

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>> No.15057327

So now that OP's request has been fulfilled, lets talk about why we love Nick Land.
I think that Nick Land is the only philosopher for people who, like me, are a radical misanthropist. Nick Land wants to eradicate humanity, and so do I. 95 % of people I've come to meet online or from the media or real life are either absolutes assholes and I get the urge to physicall hurt them, or they are vapid, uninteresting degenerates. Even on /lit/ I'd likely hate most people.
Who gives me the moral and philosophical permission to have this thoughts which would be considered "evil" in christianity? None better than Nick Land.

29 years and I am not a videogamer. No bait, just my real thoughts. My social and emotional intelligence is likely higher than yours, I work with many differnt people on a daily basis on my job. I do find many good people there & even more from the large group of stupid people, out of which a small portion makes no secret out of the fact that they would like to make you kill yourself.
My workplace is filled with grade A people only, but I guess I'm not the only one hearing abhorrent stories from relatives who participate in real life, stories from work or private life, where again the stupidity of the large part of humanity is presented to you.
I want these people to burn. Who can blame me for liking Nick Land?
Land's dream will become true soon, mabye even during his lifetime. I am awaiting it in joyful anticipation. Good luck.

>> No.15057392

>>15056132
ummmm... based?

>> No.15057422

>>15056132
Delet this

>> No.15057739

>>15057327
He's so based and capital is right

>> No.15057787

>>15057739
hyper-basado

>> No.15057884

>>15054231
To protect what we have.

>> No.15057946

>>15057327
hyper-based and capital-pilled

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>>15052940
This
Every single fucking time without fucking fail.

>> No.15058367

>>15047814
AAAAAAAHHHHHHHH! IS THAT AN IDEA? I'M THINKING!!! I'M GOING INNSSSSSAAAANE!!!

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>>15057327
I hate Nick Land. Nick Land is responsible for all my juvenile mistakes. Me and Nick land are among the few individuals to fully understand the implications of Deleuzean thought and achieve the BwO. It is no coincidence that we both went insane soon after. Six visits to the psych ward later after deterritorializing myself with hardcore psychedelics, I have now returned to the fold of Platonism. The ethics of difference, it would seem, end only in a padded cell or a coffin. For my mother's sake, I now adhere to virtue ethics. Kinda miss fucking bipolar scene sluts but then again that's probably how I ended up with tertiary syphilis. I only hope my future wife can forgive me my immature philosophical infatuation...

>> No.15059573

https://selforganizedseminar.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/hardt_negri_multitude.pdf

>> No.15059596

>>15058888
If you went to the psych ward instead of muder-suiciding on the cops trying to take you there, you simply did not understand the meaning of deterritorialization, unlike me

>> No.15060272

>>15058888
woah

>> No.15060312

>>15059596
>murder suicide
>not using all of the restraints in the psyche ward to get off on your BDSM fetish to become a body without organs and coom all over the place

>> No.15061398
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>> No.15062334

gotta go fast

>> No.15062397

>>15057327
original creator of this pasta here, so I am curious, why has my post become pasta? Because it is funny, because it is based or cringe? I dont get it. Is it just one autistic guy who likes it and posts it again and again?

>> No.15062416

>>15051508
I tried to get that image but all amazon suggested was a bunch of other books, Xenofeminism wasn't even in the first page/row thing on the reccomendations. Oddly enough A Thousand Plateaus was.

>> No.15062420

>>15047766
The first based thing I've ever seen Land say