/lit/ - Literature

>>15030614
Stop posting this fuckfly. These might be your favorite books, but this is NOT how you get into neitzsche.

>>15030597
Kant. Schopenhauer, goethe.

Also good to be aware of general rationalists and empericists and a little hegel.

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>>15030635
Danke.

>>15030630
That’s how I got into Nietzsche just fine. It’s a really comprehensive collection of his writing and presented marvelously.

>>15030635
>That signature
Heh

Just since this is a neitzsche thread, did anyone else look into his dialogue with Americans? Its actually interesting that a lot of people who considered themselves Christians where actually really into his work.

Honestly start with Antichrist. It's a short and sweet little book hitting on most of his major tenets. You want to know if Nietzsche is worth a read for you, but you don't want to invest a lot of time and energy in reading something that requires a lot of effort if you end up disliking Nietzsche. In this sense it's a litmus test, a cross section of his thoughts exercised in a very enjoyable polemic dismantling Christianity.

>>15030597
Don't read him.

>>15030842
Not really representative of the rest of his work though. It's such an isolated piece.

>>15030842
I disagree, solely because it tend to frame neitzche as an explicitly anti christian writer, which is only an extrapolated stance he takes. I tend not to like people who read neitzche as a polemic ammunition verses the religion, but rather people who can see his system as a totality that leads to something like the Antichrist.

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>>15030876
Duly noted.
Just to clarify: Are you saying Nietzsche wasn't anti-christianity?

Just read Stirner. You don't need to fill your mind with Spooks like the Ubermensch.

>>15030635
Isn't it required to read the bibble and some of the grege's?

>>15030597
If u have absolutely no background whatsoever on his work:
Read human all too human
Read the fall by camus
Read notes from the underground by dostoievski
Read thus spoke zarathustra
Read genealogy of morals

The rest is ok in any order

>>15030597
Start and finish with Twilight of the Idols. Nietzsche was a midwit "philosopher" who could spin a phrase to tickle the lizard brain, but really didn't have any thoughts worth following to the end.

>>15030630
Stirner & Nietzsche are 'par excellance' the best 'wombo combo'

>>15030901
No. He was saying (and I am saying) that Nietzsche's philosophy is not built off some sort of resentful reaction against christianity. His system is built in such a way that it leads him to contempt christianity because he can recognize the weakness inherent in it.

>>15032694
Okay. I didn't want to imply that, but no doubt Christianity and its rejection must have had a big influence on him - his father was a priest after all. I think it's valid to interpret his philosophy as a reaction to his Christian upbringing.

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>>15033275
most intro/secondary readings can be found on libgen/sci-hub

Start with Thus Spoke Zarathustra.

I have to laugh at this thread. How little must one understand Nietzsche to not realize that you require a relatively deep understanding of the greeks before there is any point in reading him?

Start with Homer, finish the rest of the greeks. Read ALL of Plato.
This is a first solid foundation.
Then the romans to deepen your understanding of the culture of antiquity
Bible of course, but no need to get very deep into that.
Then comes Kant and Schopenhauer.
Then Wagner
Then Nietzsche.

The only right order is chronological order. Start with The Birth of Tragedy and the Untimely meditations.

If you want only the very basic package then:
Homer, Platon, Tragedies, Plutarch, Bible, Kant, Schopenhauer

>>15033470
lmao this post is hilarious.

How little must one understand Nietzsche if one thinks one can just read the Greeks in translations and can MERELY read them without any prior aesthetic sensibility.

Start with a degree in Philology.
Make sure you have seen six different productions of each one of Sophocles plays, staged in a proper theatron. None of that indoor cuck shit.
Then spend at least 10,000 hours composing piano sonatas (DO NOT SKIP THIS).
(make sure you achieve both of these before the age of sixteen otherwise you might as well just stick to genre fiction).
Publish at least 25 papers in Ancient Greek Linguistics.
Write academic polemics against every currently fashionable school in philosophy.
Write polemics against yourself, do this for 2 years straight. Burn each paper immediately after you finish it, mix the ashes with hot cocoa, drink them.
Now read the entire canon backwards then forwards. Once out in the sun, once by candle light. Repeat this again for each season.

If you want only the very basic package then:
Practice semen retention.

>>15030597
Ok, first you need to have your Plato down, along with many more of the Greeks, and have a decent understanding of Christianity, not just the bible but its history too. Next you need your German Idealists, so you need Kant, and that means you need a good bit of the rationalists and empiricists preceding him. After that, start with Birth of Tragedy and then progress mostly chronologically, but keep TSZ for after you're really comfortable

>>15033800
BASED

>>15030635
This is a very good chart. Some things I would change about it:

1. Human, All Too Human is missing from the chart, which I would include somewhere near The Gay Science. The description for The Gay Science would fit this book too, and it also helped lay the foundation for the field of psychoanalysis.

2. The Will to Power needs to make it on this list at the bottom, either right before Thus Spoke Zarathustra, or next to it. Will to Power is a book that must be read at the end, when you have read through all the other works on the chart and you are capable of analyzing his works with a healthy skepticism, since it's an unpublished compilation of notes arranged according to the editor's views. It does not provide anything substantially new on his philosophy to such a reader but it helps solidify some major implications being developed in his later works and is a thoroughly satisfying read as it has some of his best aphorisms.

3. In the "Where to start before starting" section, I would add Heraclitus' Fragments. I'd also add a note in the description there that Nietzsche constantly references names, ideas, and events in history so one should not feel obligated to have to read all of it, but only do a basic investigation of these things when they are mentioned.

I would make the changes if I had the file but I assume whoever created this can edit it quicker.

>>15030951
Only if you only read neitzche explicitly for his stance on Christianity, and not his larger system.

>>15033800
stupid post

I didnt ask for much. Knowledge of the greeks and romans was mandatory in germany back in the days. Latin and Ancient greek were normal subjects at the Gymnasium (and still at some elite gymnasiums)The works of Nietzsche simply presuppose familiarity with it.

Other than that i only added Wagner to what the others have posted. It simply strikes me as ridiculous that nobody here has mentioned that the greeks make up a fundamental topic of his works