/lit/ - Literature

>>15013606
Ocean Vuong blows her the fuck out and writes about the same bullshit content matter and in similar form, except with some rigor and skill so it doesn't across as insolent as Rupi

>>15013606
nice feet

>>15013606
Who are the most rhythmic contemporary poets?

>>15013606
Maybe if she wasn't sitting on her cunt all the time, she'd come up with better poetry.

Well i can name myself.

>>15013606
She looks like she wears cheap underwear

>>15013621
He’s bad too but not as bad as her.

>>15013606
>No one that reads poetry has any opinion on her writing
well yeah, because she doesn't write poetry

>>15013606
Tbh I simply don't understand poetry at all, so I couldn't tell you if she's good or not.
Virtually every contemporary poets list or article extolls her virtues above all though, so it's not true that poetry readers don't care about her.

>>15013628
It's in free verse, you don't want to know the answer. /lit/ dweebs would be horrified to know that classical meter is obsolete.

>>15013640
I disagree. He's not bad, but he's got some growing up to do. I'm looking forward to whatever he puts out in middle age.
Rupi can't grow out of her style of shittiness because it's inherent to her perspective and public image, so she's going to be a distant memory in <5 years.

>>15013646
I only like rhythmic poetry though, unless we count epics like muh Greeks n Romans.
So is there no contemporary poets I should try? Good to know.

>>15013644
We live in an era of unique opportunity because these poets lists and articles come from a hierarchy which has magically rendered itself impotent and obsolete.
It doesn't do the job it was meant to do, and the job remains unfilled, so we can really install whoever and whatever we want.

>>15013657
You seem sincere. I've picked up a small stack of lit zines over the years that constitute the depth of my appreciation for poetry, but I have no way of sharing them. I picked this up at a secondhand store in Asheville and it is seriously great. There's some vaguely identitarian / mall goth passages here and there, but you can just filter it out. Apparently you can get this on Amazon.

Being I'd knew more about contemporary poetry if she didn't infest half the shelves at my library.
Same with King. How am I supposed to critique him if I have no comparison because all what's on sale is either him, Lovecraft or Poe?

>>15013631
kerouac is middle school garbage

>>15013689
Damn this really is a deep cut lol, only one rating on goodreads, i'll give it a look, not like I have much else to do these days for obvious reasons.

>>15013711
hey stop, that middle school garbage got me into a lot of cunts

>>15013606
do they all have checklist before taking a picture of themselves?

>>15013708
Bro stop making excuses lol. How many copies of Milk and Honey could your local bookstore possibly have? Ten? Twenty? There's stuff there besides that, most of it is just boring. It's the nature of exploring anything, there's nothing wrong with not liking poetry.
>>15013718
Tell me what you think! Nobody that I recommended it to has read it haha.

>>15013638
I'm sure they smell quite nice though

>>15013654
He's really bad.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/05/04/someday-ill-love-ocean-vuong

simply cannot, CANNOT abide by paki/poos in any form of art

>>15013606
hairy arms...

>>15013644
>Virtually every contemporary poets list or article extolls her virtues above all though
stop reading shit publications

>>15013730
Dude I'm not trying to make excuses.
I'll use horror as an example: there isn't any copy of say something from Ligotti or House of Leaves. Now you can think that they are worse or better, the argument still stands that you would have to order them online at double a reasonable price. So, a lot of people who like me have explored their taste by navigating the library and picking up interesting things on a whim are pretty much stranded when it comes to finding gems in poetry or horror, for examples. I have to resort to the internet, and I have, but you think a lot of people do? And are willing to?
This is why I'm mad at her. Not because she prevents me, but because she obscures so many other poets.
And yeah, there are lots of copies -maybe not compared to the whole libraries but way to many in an already fairly small section.

>>15013644
>Virtually every contemporary poets list or article extolls her virtues above all though, so it's not true that poetry readers don't care about her.
Straight up wrong. There's a reason the latest issues small press lit isn't exactly buzzworthy here or why shit like Fluland never caught on while it was around.
This board just doesn't care about poetry.

>>15013818
>>15013788
I mean if you just google top 10 contemporary poets or top 10 female poets Rupi is right at the top, I don't really read literary publications.
I would like to care about poetry, I have tried, I simply don't get it unfortunately.

>>15013834
you probably don't care about poetry because you're getting recommendations from the top of google search results for "good poetry"

>>15013834
Google top 10 singers or top 10 bands. I'm guessing that neither would describe music that particularly appeals to you.
Everything is already out there. There's seriously hundreds of poetry magazines on Twitter alone.

Here's a slam poem for you, you worthless cunt

>>15013606
I don't even read poetry, but hers looks like what I wrote to strangers online as a kid. I'm sorry but I just can't hold it in high regard when I literally know from experience that all-lowercase shitouts like these can be manufactured.

>>15014228
>literature board
>no one can be bothered to read the OP

>>15013784
Imagine caring about this

Holy shit I need her toes on my penis

>>15013952
Lmaooo fuckin love hippo

>>15014336
Donate to Bernie

>>15013794
>solved a captcha
>wrote all this dumb shit
>just to rationalize why it's some youtuber's fault he doesn't like poetry
Hmmm

>>15013773
Homosexuality is unaesthetic

>>15013621
Ocean Vuong sucks, he's a hack

Tao Lin is a poet. What do you think about that, fucking faggot?

>>15014486
Go to bed Tao

>>15013606
Bullshit, sorry. Ask any prof who teaches poetry what they think of Kaur. I love a lot of modern poets, and her work is drivel.

>>15013606
Jay Wright is still alive. Bei Dao too.

>Bullshit, sorry. Ask any prof who teaches poetry what they think of Kaur. I love a lot of modern poets, and her work is drivel.

>>15013773
I've read a lot of his stuff, I'm telling you he sometimes hits. Let me rustle up some good ones, give me a couple minutes

>>15013606
I can name published contemporary poets, but they're my friends and that would put me as someone who uses 4chan

This thread afuckinggain?

>>15014948
This is fake, right? How can she walk around knowing she wrote this cringe?

qt
rupi
boopy
droopy
ruby
fruity
cootie
groupie
whoopee
jelly
cutty
navy
cuddy
paddy
coolie
rooty
kitty

>>15014358
Thank you for making me laugh far too hard than I should of have.

>>15015036
>This is fake, right?
No. This one is legit. We made some fakes but I like to open with the real thing. She also published a slough of wymin stronk menstruation photos.

>>15015226

>>15015226
What secret Poetess society breaks the writing hands of the initiates?

>>15015547
Why do self-labeled "Rhetoricians" get their pencils pinched by some Punjabi poetry?

>>15015226
ALIENS

Imagine the works of beauty she shall create once her wisdom matures in old age...they'll be glorious...

>>15013606
What does she smell like? My guess is like eggshells or maybe slightly of freshly decomposing produce.

>>15015593
Her hand is not broken - just sprained. She read some Ruby Dhal and got inspired, then got carried away when she was rubbing one out.

>>15015603
>"Rhetoricians"
Did you have someone in mind?

>>15015972
this is unironically better than any of her poems

>>15015985

>>15013851
>Google top 10 singers
>beyonce, michael jackson, elvis presley, freddie mercury, lady gaga, justin bieber, rihanna, madonna, frank sinatra

literally all based even though i dont like beyonce she can sing

Richard Siken, Mary Oliver (died in 2019 so she's still contemporary), Marie Howe, Anne Carson, Naomi Shihab Nye, Louise Glück, and others are all leagues better than Rupi Kaur. Just because 4chan hasn't progressed past the turn of the 20th century doesn't mean that contemporary poetry is garbage.

>>15014250
Well I read it, but why should I mention any other poets? What does it change about her specifically? So what if she's the only poet somebody heard about her if she's bad? And, well, why should I follow along with OP's game when he's kind of missing the point of this himself.

Eat that pussy like a curry, mumbai bitch a takeaway.
Finger the vulva like Im Vishnu, 8 arms drenched in fanny-goo
Rupi up the poopy poo make my cock a doodle doo

>>15017149
pretty good. are you published?

>>15017161
I'm a ghost writer for Drake and Rupi

>>15015740
Tandoori and mint

>>15013606
Are you implying that people who read poetry wouldn't be introduced to her or something?
Cause she's unavoidable

>thread filled with people lamenting contemporary poetry while simultaneously not being able to name three contemporary poets, bar maybe Carson
She is a non-entity in poetry, no poet extols her, no poetry publication bears her any mind.

>>15014594
If I ask a prof about good contemporary poets what will they say? That's what I'm interested in, we already know pajeeta is instapoetry shit

>>15017200
Anne Carson

>>15017165
woah. my hero

>>15017207
Based

>>15013720
Expand on that please

>>15013606
who's that Pajetress and why would I care

>>15017200
Mary Karr

>>15014594
>I love a lot of modern poets
Share with us then we're all waiting to read new shit but it's hard to find

>>15013606
Feet

>>15016034
I hope a woman wrote this lmfao

>>15017751
women like rupi so if you are practiced in your rupi game you'll have your girls piggies wiggling in your mouth within the span of a poem or two

>>15013628
Mf doom and earl bby

>>15015521
The absolute state of 21st century women

>>15016034
or I could just read SWANS lyrics

>>15013606
>contemporary poets
>contemporary
pfffhhhh HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>15013606
Atticus
Tyler Knott Gregson
Robert M. Drake

>listening to any music composed post-1750
>reading any novels composed post-1931
>reading any poetry composed post-1843

>>15013606
...I mean writing free verse this poor, decades after Pierre-Jean Jouve or Saint-John Perse, is really insulting to Intelligence. You don’t need to be a poetry buff to understand that aesthetically she brings nothing but tired metaphors. The lack of evocative power in her poetry is so severe that she has to draw her poems! Truly, the literal is the enemy of the literary.

That said, I can’t deny that every inch of her left uncovered by cloth ushers in me streams of the most obscene thoughts.

>>15013606
Look at that. A conquistador fucktoy that can read.

>>15016034
seconded anne carson. her poetry can be incredibly dense and lyrical. I'll give a few of the others a look too. if anyone can recommend contemporary poets that are published and can actually write in meter, post em

>>15017193
This board is a fucking joke LMAO

>>15018211
>>15018110
>>15017184
>>15014594
>>15014228
>proving his point
Not a single one of you can name three contemporary poets that haven't been mentioned ITT. You hate poetry, just admit it, you tryhard fuck.

>>15017981
the comment was about Kerouac I believe

>>15018543
Neither can you <@;^)

>>15013606
>tfw poetess life
it be like that tho

>>15016034
Thanks for the recs friend

>>15018633
>NO, YOU
Clara B. Jones
J. Gordon Faylor
Nadia John
Your turn, retard.

>>15018543
I literally don’t care. He’s just being contrarian for the sake of it and so are you. I compared her to relatively recent authors who used the same writing style as her — only much better; just read a bit of Jouve and you’ll get it.
I just commented on this thread to say that she makes me horny like few women do!

>>15019310
>solved a captcha
>wrote all this dumb shit
>I literally don't care
You *literally* don't care? Like literally?

>>15013606
Why does poetry in English suck so much?
I speak some other languages, and poetry is much better.

Also
>poetry doesnt rhyme
so then it isn't poetry
otherwise I can produce probably a small book everyday
many of my 4chan posts have been poems

>>15013606
I would let her shit on me nam sayin

>Also
>>poetry doesnt rhyme
>so then it isn't poetry

>>15019417
pretentious anglo nigger

Over a hundred replies and maybe two people that haven't proved OP's point.
/lit/ is fucking pathetic.

>>15019440
Most poetry doesn't rhyme. Don't like it? Then you dn't like poetry. Not very complicated. Go back to reading Shel Silverstein and Dr. Seuss books if it's so important to you.

>>15019465
nah, you're wrong. Poetry in english is just terrible. There's plenty of good poetry in Russian that rhymes.
You probably have no idea what poetry is and dont understand it + dont have a taste

the only good poem I've ever seen in english
it's half-decent. still bad if we equate it with russian poetry, but compared to shit english poetry picrelated is a work of art and a masterpiece

>>15019469
I'll re-emphasize if you didn't understand the first time; most poetry doesn't rhyme.
Here's the problem with this reply.
>nah you're wrong
That is fundamentally incorrect. Care to name any contemporary poets that you enjoy reading? It's pretty obvious there isn't any, yet you continue on with all of this faux passion for the integrity of poetry as if you even give a fuck. Stop pretending to care. Nobody in your life considers you an expert on anything.

>>15019516
Nah, you wrong and low IQ, also you dont have taste, sorry, and you will never have taste or correct opinions.

>>15019465
>Most poetry doesn't rhyme
That's partially true, but used in a bad faith way to defend an obivous con. Not all poetry rhymes but all poetry has metric. Metric is the essence of poetry, without which it becomes meaningless to call something poetry and anything and nothing becomes poetry. People like her assume that
the essence
of poetry is
line breaks
Which is just prose with different diagramming. Let's not even get into the question of content, which hers is utter banality.
In other words you've been filtered.

>>15019526
>alludes to his superior taste
>still can't name any poets

>>15019533
This isn't a refutation of my point.
He claimed that poetry that doesn't rhyme isn't poetry which is incorrect. Most poetry doesn't rhyme.

Pseuds are getting BTFO holy shit

>>15019533
Poetry in tonal languages does not have meter, since those languages don't syllabic stresses like European languages tend to have. Formal restrictions in those languages are word counts and tone patterns, not meter. Meter is a kind of pattern that's available to particular languages, and other languages don't have it but have other ways of patterning the language. Patterns are the essence of poetry, not any one kind of pattern.

>>15019124
Nonwhites aren't people.

>>15019736
cope

>>15019621
'Meter' is just a shorthand way of saying 'word counts and tone patterns'.

If it's one thing this thread has taught us, it's that /lit/ knows fucking nothing about poetry. Shocking!

>>15019830
No, it's not. Words and syllables are different units (such that it's possible for a line to have double the word count as a line with an identical syllable count), and languages such as English do not have tones in the relevant sense. In, say, Classical Chinese, almost every word is one syllable, and there are very few distinct syllables so, tones differentiate words. One syllable said in a high tone is a different word than the same syllable said in a low tone. There are also rising and falling tones. High and low are "level tones" and rising and falling are "oblique tones". Poetic forms often require strict tonal patterns, such as: "oblique, oblique, level, level, oblique/ level, level, oblique, oblique, level/ level, level, level, oblique, oblique/ oblique, oblique, level, level, level."
It has nothing to do with meter; meter does not exist in languages like that.

>>15018543
>>15013606
Bhanu Kapil
Fanny Howe
Anne Carson
Molly Brodak
Trisha Low
JoAnna Novak
Elisa Gabbert
women, poets, contemporary more or less, off the top of my head.
Kaur is shit.

>>15020185
but my opinion is that Kaur is not bad because she...doesn't adhere to a particular form....it is that she is shallow, rom-commy, boils all her metaphor down to the same handful of subjects...

>>15019346
I don’t care about her poetry! But I do about her ****

Being fluent in English, Spanish and Portuguese, I think the biggest disadvantage in English poetry compared to romance languages is how stilted it feels, especially classical poetry with strict meter and rhyming schemes
Romance words have a perfect balance regarding vowel consonant distribution, so each word flows from another seamlessly, like a chain because they are phonetically "open"
English words are generally more self-contained, a significant portion of them are monosyllabic even, making sentences less compact rhythmically speaking
Then there's the concordance aspect but that's too much to write in a post

>>15020563
AAAAAAAAAAARGGGGGHH STOP FLEXIIIIIIIING

>>15020563
Careful, you'll trigger the /lit/ brainlets that pretend to be classical English purists.

>>15020563
English is not the biggest offender however, having a strong Latin and French influence
Dutch and Scandinavian languages sound like a pig grunting because the consonant sounds are much more prevalent

>chinstroker faggots scrambling to prove that they know shit
This thread bascially confirmed what everyone thought all along. You're all just fakers lmao.

>>15013711
Yet most people who read him end up as Chads.

>>15013606
>>poo in the loo
>>hairy arms
>>flaunting bleeding cunt

she blew the right guy, now she's a poet

>>15021131
Name three (3) contemporary poets that haven't been mentioned ITT.

>>15018470
The Christian version

>>15020980
Are you trying to say that openness to experience/creativity = chad?

>>15013631
What does this mean

ugly big feet

>>15013646
>it's old so it's obsolete

You don't belong here.

imagine actually defending Rupee

>>15019480
this is tom bombadil shenanigans level

>>15021867
that anon didn't say that

>>15013657
free verse =/= no rhythm
Richard Hugo, for example, wrote free verse that often employed a strong iambic rhythm

>>15013606
wtf is this journal entry cringe. fuckin googly eyes and big ass feet. she put more thought into taking this picture for instagram than she did scribbling out that retarded shit

>>15013606
>can't name any other contemporary poets
guilty as charged. I stopped reading contemporary poetry when it stopped being worth reading.

Rupi's feet are highly expressive. Love them!

>>15022381
if you haven't read it, how can you know if it's worth reading?

>>15022515
fuckkkkkkkk

I was surprised when I read her biggest influence was Ezra Pound but I guess it makes sense

>>15021869
Now imagine completely missing the point of this thread.

>>15021869
Better than needlessly dismissing her because of some memes

Paul Muldoon
William Logan

>>15023296
These writers also love to cite Hemingway in defense of their style. Frankly, whereas Hemingway thought everything out meticulously and omitted everything that didn't strictly need to be shown, these writers seem to skip the part where you extensively develop your ideas, opting instead to skip to the minimalistic product. The citing of canonical authors as influences is nothing more than a vain attempt to win credibility.

>>15013628

Malachi Black is pretty great at experimenting within established forms