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Leave Jordan Peterson to me.

>>15012393
His point about compelled speech was okay, but starting to sell muh individualism as a cure to people when it's society at large that is shit is just as cringe as Zizek and his moronic rants that always in truth support the system also. Fucking pop-philosopher or in this case a pop-psychologist, a jewish pseudoscience.

>>15012393
i hated jordan peterson but lately ive been realizing that he was right about almost everything

i loved jordan peterson but lately ive been realizing that he was wrong about almost everything

don't forget the other end of the horseshoe

>>15012446
Anyone who takes benzos is a moron who was too much of a simp to get chad seconals.

>>15012393
You respect him because he's the strict authoritarian daddy figure you never had growing up, and because of that you gravitated towards the only public figure willing to address your problems in a stern but "I'm-doing-this-for-your-own-good" kind of way. His 12 rules book is a self-help guide for simps.

>>15012467
He doesn't seem strict. If he was my dad I would have beaten him up.

>>15012471
Sure you would, post bicep faggot I bet I could kill you with one punch. It's amazing how much better mtf trannies are than men

>>15012471
Based!

>>15012480
Looks like someone ran out of benzos.

>>15012393
>only post-modern marxists trannies seethe when confronted to him.

The insidiousness of Jordan Peterson is that he simultaneously reduces timeless wisdom to self-help jargon and common sense advice while also affirming the righteousness and desirability of modernity. All of the problems that Peterson tackles are themselves just various manifestations of modernity itself, but nothing he talks or writes delves into this larger problem itself or how to deal with it. To the contrary, he takes religious texts that contain profound wisdom and teachings passed down through the ages and uses them as corporate bug-man self-help advice for kids who weren't raised properly. Peterson low-key pushes a mythos that western society in modernity is fundamentally just and a good thing and that aside from some irrational, stupid and greedy people that you have to deal with that everything is okay in principle.

This couldn't be more wrong. Since the emergence of civilization most of the them were united by religious traditions teaching metaphysical knowledge. All the problems of the western mentality and society stem from the loss of this. Christ, the Neoplatonists and to some extent the Hermetics and certain Greek mystery cults all had it too but the Church eventually became an encrusted coffin of doctrine with no accompanying realizations to be had hence why it failed to prevent modernity from arising in the west. Without being connected to any higher understanding in any significant amount among it's intellectual elite, western society has ever since the renaissance has in free fall accompanied by materialism, nihilism, scientism and various other forms of spiritual and cultural degeneration. Peterson affirms all this as good by buying into the faulty idea of the linear progression of civilization and humanity and by shilling it to his unaware fans.

Did you ever figure out why Peterson never seriously delves into eastern thought aside from a few boomer references to Buddhism and Confucius? It's because it totally destroys his worldview and offers completely different solutions to the ideas he address. Why did one of the largest and most impressive bodies of spiritual literature ever emerge out of society with a caste system? Because they are the right way to base a society. Most of the societal problems he address wouldn't even arise in a traditional eastern civilization pre-modernity but just reflect the state of the modern west. It's bad enough that he does all of this already but then he takes one of the few sources of timeless wisdom that are tradition in the west and reduces it to a source of bland common-sense life advice instead of a window to transcendental truths where all problems are resolved.

>>15012460
>Anyone who takes benzos is a moron who was too much of a simp to get chad seconals.
evidentally that's true because jbp took benzos. you were retroactively refuted

>>15012498
This post is nonsensical.

I respect Zizek because he's the goofy intellectual liberal daddy figure I never had growing up, and because of that I gravitated towards the only public figure willing to address my social problems in a silly but "I'm-trying-to-make-you-laugh-not-make-you-think" kind of way. His books are a coping guide for cuckolds like me that want to feel rebellious but never do anything against the state.

>>15012498
Seconal isn't a benzo, brainlet.

>>15012393
yup, i'm thinking he's BACK

>>15012393
>beyond order
Chaos? He's writing about chaos magick?

>>15012488
Best reply so far. I unironically sympathize with Peterson but you’re completely spot on. It’s quite obvious that his role model was Jung.

>>15012571
>yup, i'm thinking his daughter got BLACKED

>>15012393
Is his wife still alive?

>>15012488
Baaaaaaased.

>>15012488
are you the anal slave of the fucking tranny-butterfly that roams around /lit/?

>>15012529
Damn, imagine having Zizek as your father. Daddy jokes taken to a whole new perverted level.

>>15012812
He is the daddy all leftists want, but never had, because they were raised by single mothers and don't know what a real father is like. This is also why they project this onto Peterstein, who isn't much like a father figure either.

>>15012829
I know a farily large amount of leftish leaning people and only one in all of them has been raised by a single mother (and he's more of an Anarchist than an actual Leftist).

>>15012829
Holy fuck keep seething about a joke post I made almost an hour ago lmao, both zizek and peterson are hacks

>>15012812
there's a story of his, where he tells his son "a dog fucks your mother" and his son replies with "that already happened"

>>15012625
That would be Dugin

>>15012446
Even when he contradicts himself in 12 Rules?

>>15012393
I would love to crush his head with my knee

>>15012928
Based.

I want to have sex with a tranny

>>15012974
>Even when he contradicts himself in 12 Rules?
Who doesn't contradict themselves?

I won't comment on Peterson since I've never read him, but it is clear his fans are very very low IQ.

>>15013106
People who write well.

>>15012488
>reduces timeless wisdom to self-help jargon

In his series of lectures on the Bible, he takes over 30 hours collectively to walk through just the book of genesis and no further. How would this even be possible if he was just spouting empty and superficial platitudes? Genuine question. Have you even listened to just one of those lectures before forming your very strong opinion? (although I suspect this is pasta).

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>>15012974
Do what I say, not what I do nigger.

Why can people only ad hominem? I dont think J. Perterson is some complellikng deep philosopher, but as a basic outlining of framework for the layman I think he is pretty decent. I think there is definitly a large reactionary element against peterson. Wether its because of his own fanbase, or because he is one of the most visible moderate conservative.

>>15012434
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>>15013093
Read less than nothing

>>15012393
I’m a fan and his lectures before he got popular are still really good. I’m just kinda surprised that the dude telling me to wash my penis got on benzos and apparently didn’t have his life figured out as well as would be expected.

>>15013093

it's okay, but not nearly as good as you would expect it to be

>>15013231
Nah. I read desert of the real and absolute recoil, they were alright, but seeing how many of the points he ends up recycling for other books/talks, I think I've heard everything he has to say at this point.

>>15013222
>Why can people only ad hominem?
If I criticize Peterson's book as self-contradictory, I'm not committing an ad hominem. And while I'm sure plenty of the negative reaction against Peterson has to do with his stance on pronoun usage, but my criticism has more to do with the fact I think his book is poorly written schlock, which was written to save himself from a mediocre academic career.

Is he still in rehab?

>>15013601
>rehab
He's brain dead, or very nearly. Rehab is just the "Weekend at Bernie's" cover story.

>>15013625
How is he writing his next book then?

>>15013526
Less than nothing is a whole other beast, combines HEGEL, FICHTE, new age and heidegger, puts him with in discussing with genuine philosophers, can't take anyone's opinion on Zizek who hasn't read it seriously, sorry bub

>>15013231
>read my daddy
No, I don't read pop-philosophy.

>>15013785
Yeah, and I can't take anyone seriously who still takes Zizek seriously anymore. Absolute Recoil also involves him discussing "genuine philosophers", but the fact that you even needed to mention something like that shows what an exception it is for him to do so, and what a fucking hack he is the rest of the time. Sorry dude, your favourite pop-philosopher is just a court entertainer at this point.

>>15013796
You're historically illiterate if you think every philosopher wasn't a pop-philosopher by the standards of their time, unless you read deleuze which I highly doubt considering he can't be read by laymen, which makes sense because you don't read.
>>15013831
See above and believe what you like I can guarantee 20 minutes into LTN will have you recoiling at your own ineptitude

>>15012488
awful post by a pseud larper

>>15013222
>"Uuuuh, yeah this man who completely ruined his successful career is a good mentor who can teach people how to live their lives"

>>15012393
The majority of JBP's importance is that he is divisive. He argues a very interesting point that I think isn't properly understood, he basically argues that society is embodied (i.e. reflective of biology) like how classical neurosci liberals say thought is embodied. It's interesting because these two actually are in conflict with one another in contemporary society.

Anyway, JBP is a good alternative to the pop philosophers of since.

>>15014746
he is a pop philosopher only marginally better than the cancerous skeptic crowd

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>>15012454
>almost everything
That is how pied pipers operate.

>>15014746
Peterson argues in favor of us having Jewish overlords yet he fears to address the Holodomor question.

>>15014120
>unless you read deleuze which I highly doubt considering he can't be read by laymen
Oh, you're so sophisticated and smart, anon, nobody here has read and understood Deleuze, nope, it's not like half the board has done that. I'm sure Zizek will be remembered in a hundred years as a truly important thinker, whatever would we have done without his amazing insights that launched us into this new paradigm of *sniffs*?

>>15013738
A ghost writer, moron.

>>15013785
His first book is his only good one.

>>15012467
This x100

He serves a useful purpose in society, by teaching basic life skills to degenerates. The fact he also enrages basically every living extremist is just icing on the cake.

>>15012393

he's not really saying anything very controversial. take care of yourself, be confident, clean etc etc, its all the same self-help bullshit pedalled by charlatans accross the political spectrium (mostly the centre, as it happens). again, nothing wrong with the sentiment, but then again americans are very impressionable and generally willing to pay to hear people talk

>>15014120
>I can guarantee 20 minutes into LTN will have you recoiling at your own ineptitude
lmao as if I'd waste my time. All of his books that are explicitly about philosophy rather than cultural critique are densely written but none of the ideas are particularly challenging. The fact that you're pushing this one book so hard leads me to believe its the only one you've read, and even then, it sounds like you REALLY struggled with it lmao.

>>15014763
Marginally is still better.
>>15014893
That makes no sense.

>>15012446
You mean his mom was right when she told him to clean his room and he pissed his pants for 40 years

>>15012393
yeah... dont respect him because hes a psykolog... & not cool for him to caricature the left in the way he does... u all *seethe* when called a fascist.

>>15014120
sounds like you are expressing a lot of you own insecurities about reading here. Deleuze really isn't that bad if you take your time... Zizek really isn't anything special either

>>15012393
>confronted to him
Read a fucking book. YouTube videos don’t teach you grammar.

He'd better add a mea culpa in there that his whole field is bs, if he wants to keep any semblance of credibility

>>15012467
>authoritarian
>address your problems in a stern but "I'm-doing-this-for-your-own-good"
categorically false. he fits the archetype of wormtongue (in non-negative way), as he doesn't force you to do anything, but only persuasive arguments. he is also not saying these things because they are practical, but because he thinks they constitute for the truth

>>15015242
>That makes no sense.
What makes no sense to you? My post or Peterson's inability to address the Holodomor Question in light of his philosemitism? You allow a permutation.

>>15016132
This. Psychology is pseudo-science and JBP is Tony Robbins for jackasses who don’t wash their penis.

>>15016072
I always figured that his mission was to breed an army of right wing midwits to help ensure that the left and the right never engage in logical discourse, but instead pigeonhole ourselves into our own angry, ignorant ideology.

>>15012393
Isn’t this pseud in a Russian induced coma?

>>15016352
Apparently, he has returned.
https://sputniknews.com/viral/202002281078429307-back-in-the-saddle-jordan-peterson-returns-to-north-america-sends-joy-with-new-podcast/

>>15012393
I personally like his aproaches but I also find him vastly incomplete, he misunderstands many things he advocates against. I also find his stance against feminism to be quite weak, particularly because of his lack of understanding of it.

Same when he speaks about the feminist version of patriarchy, I find it weak.

And no, I am not a feminist.

>>15016422
>wash your penis
btw, this meme never made any sense. most of JPs followers are probably genitally mutilated anyways. real lolsorandom low iq shit right there

>>15016428
It makes sense to me, as someone who has a bitter sweet relation to peters, that's a vulgar way to say "take responsability"

Jordans go backs to basics, this meme about washing your penis is no different from saying man up, clean up, get a job, etc

it means a lot of you are hikkikomories arm chair generals who dont have jobs and etc
get it now?

>>15016428
>most of JPs followers are probably genitally mutilated anyways
Yet another failure on the part of Peterson to address the Jewish Question.

>>15012446
Hes just controlled opposition

>>15016440
no, washing one's penis is no more rudimentary or obvious than making one's bed. the penis part fails to accomplish anything apart from going "blue". If you think that that is some kind of pwn, then you are a mega-hick.

>>15016326
Are you trying to say that while Peterson discusses the Holocaust at length, he doesn't even pay attention to the genocide of Holodomor and that therefore he's giving jews an unfair advantage?

>>15016567
>Are you trying to say?
No. He was directly asked to address the issue with respect to Jewish/Christian relations in a public forum in New York and he refused to answer the question. He said that he needed time to sort the issue. He has had two years. The answer is past due. He has openly acknowledged excessive Jewish political power in western societies and he is actively avoiding discussing Jewish vengeance against Christians for their perceived grievances that they harbor from eons past.

>>15012393
wasent he basically lobotomized by some experimental Russian drugs, i doubt its gonna be worth reading if so.

>>15016567
only "argument" these nutjobs ever give you: if you don't believe in our cool-aid we must do everything to character assassinate you

>>15016609
>character assassinate you
How is me addressing him refusing to address the issue when directly asked in a public forum a character assassination?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAqcge10Mfc

>>15016650
He can't respond because he's very disingenuous about the issue.

>>15016650
He dealt with this very professionally in my opinion.

>>15016725
Whoever made this can't even write the character 商 correctly.

Lotta anti-Jew posts down on this end of the spectrum and I just want to say, when people don't want to answer your hot take on the JQ because they dont think Jews are evil you make yourself look like a retard to keep pressing it

Someone post Mikaelas milkers

>>15016604
Oh lord, I don't want sad times bros.

>>15016757
>because they dont think Jews are evil
While this could be an interesting topic of discussion you may want to respond to actual points raised rather than this strawman of yours that is all in your head.

>>15016725
here, you projecting your own "hidden" motives on him is where the assassination happens. he doesn't refuse because I cannot per se, but because he doesn't know how to answer

>>15016428
I’m cut and my penis still needs daily washing if i jack off.

>>15016727
>goes to far corner of stage
>covers face
>paces
>refuses to answer question
>ever
>even two years later
>continues to stump for Jewish political dominance in light of this unresolved question
How exactly is this professional?

>>15016796
>he doesn't know how to answer
He has had his two years to resolve the logical conflict of supporting nationalism for Jews while decrying it for everyone else - especially with the historical reference of their murderous conduct in the Ukraine. Failing to do so firmly establishes him as a hypocrite.

>>15016807
>my penis still needs daily washing if i jack off
But why though?

>>15016939
Not him, but satanic genital mutilation is not an upgrade. It is not a substitute for basic hygiene as we are taught in school.

>>15016932
It's not hypocrisy if you think the goyim are livestock and that different rules apply to the chosen master race of merchants. It's like how it's not hypocritical to want to shoot at your enemy but also not want to get shot back at.

>>15016957
I need to review the exact wording of his defenses. You may be correct that he has not been directly confronted accurately enough for this to have failed to have been revealed.

I think it's great that he's left behind all those personal issues, and that he's back to work again. I read part of "12 rules" and listen to all his podcasts. His advices are usually full of common sense, and well-meant. Away from any extremist ideology. I don't agree with all of his stances, but I think he's a public figure that adds value to the current scenario of decadence and mediocricity

Godspeed, Dr Peterson

>>15012393
He is a leviathan of philosophy that fits neatly into our current cultural and economic paradigm, but that isn't saying much.

"Post modern marxists"
Cringe thread

FRIENDO

PASS ME THE BENZO

>>15016807
>my penis still needs daily washing
>needs
dick cheese is a sign of virility anon, don't worry about the smell, the pheromones are irresistible to women

>>15012467
Based Freud

>>15012425
Leave Jordan Peterson to me.

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>>15014900
Nothing I can reply to this other than time will tell and read the book and Deleuze
>>15015116
Do you ever consider the opposite to be true, could benefit your life greatly
>>15016080
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