/lit/ - Literature

>Writes like a robot
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>Uses circular logic.
>God is nature bro

>>14999401
ACHOOOOOOOOO

>>14999413
Here have some faith my dear knight

>>14999401
Fichte didn't hate him, he rejected his association with atheism, which spinozism was understood as part of it.
Fichte later embraced him.even if not vocally. Check his notes and correspondence.

>>14999401
Why do people in general hate on Spinoza? I see lots of people in the "right wing" twitter circles shit on him. His philosophy is very comfy.

>>14999401
spinozas assimilation nurtured an identity crisis in jewish thought that eventually brought the holocaust on them. they were safer before.

>>14999636
Because he was against the idea of a personal God, not that he was an atheist and atheists claiming Spinoza are very stupid, after all his writing against a personal God hinged on the fact that he demonstrated the existence of his abstract form of God. He completely BTFO Jewish and Christian theology of the time and they still can’t help but seethe

>>14999401
if everything is God, nothing as well is God, just Nature

>>14999636
because if spinoza's philosophy is true you would be forced to be nice to trannies niggers and other undesirables and that simply, cannot happen

>>14999687
Damn I unironically see the problem now. Perhaps there's a form of Hinduism or Buddhism that can account for this problem.

>>14999687
>trannies
No because they have confused ideas that do themselves harm, based on Spinoza’s philosophy you should not be unkind to them but help them find treatment, not to mutilate themselves
>niggers and others
Integrating his philosophy with evolutionary biology stops ‘man’ being a discrete category because life is changeable with genetic competition. I’ll admit this is less certain and more open to interpretations and personal opinion than the former which is solidly supported.

>>14999659
Yeah... you're gonna have to explain these mental gymnastics for me anon, because I'm really not getting it.

>>14999701
Once you've realized emptiness and mind is completely free then you can chop up trannies and nigs with your katana without effort and it will be beautiful Zen art

>>14999701
check out Esoteric Hitlerism. Miguel Serrano was a student of tibetan buddhism. All Hail the Black Sun! dude believe me, I've read SIEGE by James Mason, I have been inducted as an O9A nexion and I am just waiting for a chance to engage in culling of a samaritan, every morningI rewatch that one Sam Hyde vertical and re-take solemnly swear never to give in the homosexual temptation and uphold the pride and honor of my heterosexuality, I have studied and interpreted Spinoza's Ethics, the complete works of Marx, Benjamin and Adorno along with Foucault's Discipline and Punish, I have seen through their lies and realise they were actually writing neo gnostic descriptions of the ZOG machine. It is evident the freaks have gone to far, it is about high time for normal, healthy, non perverted, nonmentally ill people like me to teach the freaks who's in charge

>>14999767
based /x/ schizo crossboarder

>>14999718
liberal gender ideology is absurd and obnoxious, and I'm disturbed by attempts to push it on children which are obviously not based on any reasonable conception of the good. leftist millenarian sentiments have just been transfered over to 'sexual liberation' and the elimination of sexual differences, in a way that's totally backwards, ie. the left has for the most part renounced criticism of consumer culture and economic reform for obnoxious cultural engineering and affect management as an end in itself. I have no problem with people living their own lives no matter how weird they might be, the couple trannies people I happen to know irl are rather independent minded and not as beholden to media narratives and , whatever you might say of them the sort to make most normal people seem uninteresting in comparison

>>14999767
Dude this post has the crew rolling. Right wingers actually believe this shit! LMFAO!

>>14999901
the James Mason SIEGE mindset completely rejects the Right Wing, I am not a right winger I am not a conservative, there is nothing worth conserving in this world. Take a look at your self professed conservatives: to believe them 'western civilization' means nothing but zionism homosex and jewish usury . I am not a conservative I am a national socialist esoteric hitlerist revolutionary

>>14999767
saved

>>14999663
All theological concepts are fundamentally also affective concepts. purely negative 21st century movement atheism cannot transcend theology, it is as affective as the simplest folk christianity, in practice it amounts to being performatively angry at the christian God. In many cases it is a mindset that stems from a traumatic conservative religious upbringing. understandable. As Nietzsche knew well, the death of God is a great task of its own. Also notice how many atheists end up embracing equally rigid normative frameworks like 'social justice' lexicon or the idolatrous clinging to reified 'science' and 'reason', they still need their a rock in uncertain seas. I like Spinoza because he's pragmatic, he talks about minimizing resentment and maximizing one's capacity to feel and to act.

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>>15000067
coof :)

Lit is not clear

>>15000927
get out of here!!!

>>14999767
literally brought tears to my eyes

>>14999767
redpilled

Bet 99% of the posters in this thread have only read Spinoza's "Ethics" and nothing else, probably penguin too.

>>14999767
Based and godly anon. Brought a tear to my eye due to beauty.

>>15001228
I read his theologico-political treatise too...

>>15001228
That's the only book these retards have read and by the way didn't understand.

>>14999401
Fichte didn't hate him. In fact, the idealists thought Spinoza was right and truthful in his treatise of substance, they just thought he made the error of treating substance as an object or a thing, as something dead, void of subjectivity. Schelling and hegel's takes on spinoza try to formulate a synthesis between spinoza's pantheism and fichte's philosophy of das Ich. Being philosophers of the movement of the Idea, they consider spinoza one of the greats.

>>14999406
Although I agree his autistic way of writing ethics actually limited him, it stems from his will to know purely, without any confusion. The idealist remark is on point here too. He writes so because he is an analytical philosopher, in whose philosophy everything logically flows from causa sui and is perfectly definable in its form.

>>14999687
Not really. If you read books 3, 4 and 5 of ethics, you'll see a very nietzschean idea of finite modes, as ones whose every aspect of being is trying to postulate its power. Hence when something is in the way of it, you either overpower it or create somehing like a "coping mechanism" in which you can still keep your power flow intact. Knowing this, its very easy to see why niggers and trannies act the way they do - because they're powerless creatures without reason. But that doesnt mean most humans arent like that too.

>>15001228
Ethics really is his capital work. Although his correspondence in particular and maybe that text on reason help to clear things out, a study of the ethics is not only sufficent but a task great and worthy enough in itself if done with attention amd respect

>>15001974
I read the ethics and was confused by the difference in tone between the metaphysics and psychology. That aside I found the metaphysics hard to grasp and felt like I needed some background in the terminology. Descartes?

>>15001990
His terminology, same as Descartes', is just good old terminology of christian theology, which is itself aristotelian thought reformulated from philosophy to theology. In Descartes and Spinoza you'll see they dont even think that much about what specific words they use, more about what the underlying thought is (very different from later philosophy, especially the germans). So try not to think of it is a problem of terminology, rather as a problem of thought. Ive noticed this trend in philosophy students, where they forget that its thoughts that theyre grasping behind the words, and in the case of philosophy, those thoughts are the hardest to concretely (in a hegelian sense) or intuitively (in spinozas sense) grasp. Basically, always try to enter into a dialogue with a philosopher, ask the text for clarification and youll probably get it.

As for the difference between his ontology and psychology, the most important thing is that theres really no difference at all - in spinoza everything perfectly logically flows from the idea of causa sui. Finite modes are also causa sui AS that finite mode. It is the causa immanens of all things. So the difference here is purely in words. He uses a lot of terms for different passions mostly for a practical reason to help the reader, but they are all logical consequences of conatus (power) and its increase and decrease, which is something that perfectly follows from the idea of god and reason (books 1 and 2)

Don't Hume and Kant kind of btfo Spinoza?