/lit/ - Literature

>>14991061

>>14991069
Filename got me

>>14991061
just one?

>>14991061
Literally anything in the Honorverse

>>14991069
and this

>>14991061
Sticking with strictly sci-fi - literally anything by pkd

>>14991061
For fun Sci-fi? Pic related

>>14991061
Canticle of Leibowitz

>>14991061
Rise of Endymion

Between this and his frothing Greta hate, Dan Simmons has some truly lulzy opinions:

https://www.dansimmons.com/news/message/2006_04.htm

>>14991547
Oh thank god and here I was worried about perpetual Zionist hegemony

>>14991547
AND THOSE THREE WORDS?
I'm your grandson
I don't know if this is better or worse than Endymion time cucking himself

>>14991547
It is kind of illuminating how truly cringe and stupid writers can be who have written good books.

I read The Terror and thought it was amazing. Tried some of his other books, read articles and watched some videos here and there. Holy shit he’s the biggest midwit boomer ever. I guess when you have years working on a book it often can end up much more intelligent and well thought than you would otherwise be capable of.

>>14991526
hyperion is bettter because rise of endmyion ended the series :(

my order is hyperion>endymion>fall>rise

also anyone know any other good "road trip" style sci-fi books like endymion? thanks

Hyperion is an amusing trainwreck. Endymion is pure medical-grade cringe. Simmons is an idiot.

>>14992717
what dont you like about them? the 2nd half of Roe was the real cringe because:
>hanging air takes forever
>the sex scenes
>raul getting cucked by himself
>infodumps

the thing is I loved it when simmons described all the diffrent alien worlds they visited on the river but him describing hanging air was kinda boring (like when he kept talking about all the mountains and shit). I would love to see simmons do a adventure story set in the modern day with that kind of detail thogh.

>>14992813
Some of the alien stuff was all right. I also enjoyed the priest dude getting melted every time he zoomed around, although it was a bit edgy. I thought the floating sex was pretty cringey, yep. And the self-cucking. Self-cucking through time travel is a somewhat amusing idea, in that you might think of it and let out an amused little "heh". But it shouldn't be a major plot element of a book. The Frank Lloyd Wright dick-sucking was also excessive and very cringe. And the "love is a badass fundamental force" ending was really cringe-tastic. Cringe cringe cringe! Chinaworld was boring as fuck although I like the ziplines.

>>14994248
>>14994252
10 replies later im still not infected
how is it possible

>>14994252
STAY HOME
SAVE LIVES

i get the joke: the joke is that the picture is unrelated, but is actually the main concern of the thread. it's a joke.

>>14992851
IT WAS SPACE TIBET YOU BIGOT

>>14991069
Severian is Gary Stu and the book is bad.

>>14994276
lol, that's my bad sir

>>14992813
>>14992851
The Good
>most of Hyperion stories
>most of the descriptions
>most of the characters
>the Hegemony
>the Space Vatican Pax and cruciform shit
>time cucking as a humor device
>time travel arms race between humans and the AI
>Endymion being found guilty of murder he committed but not really

The Bad
>Space Tibet
>All you need is love
>AI speaking in koans
>Earth disappeared because we felt like it
>Space Maui flying carpets
>MY BABY IS AGING IN REVERSE
>time cucking as a dramatic device
>BY THE WAY THE ANDROID WAS THE ALIEN OBSERVER ALL ALONG

The Cringe
>AI John Keats
>playing piano on your space yacht while drinking scotch
>Frank Lloyd Wright
>Space Muslims and Space Jews overcoming their differences
>We hid the bodies in this labyrinth because
>Het Masteen, the Cybernetic Ghost of Exposition Past from the Future
>Endymion grooming a child
feel free to add

>>14994853
I can mostly agree with that. I have to say I appreciate these books although they're a clusterfuck.

>>14994889
Yeah it was something different at least, I don't regret reading them and the only reallly bad one was Rise.
And now after reading Time Traveller I want to read them again lmao

>Even more jarring is Simmons' bizarre, sometimes overtly offensive dialogue. One Asian character actually says "Ah, so," and an African-American prisoner named Delroy Nigger Brown punctuates his speech with repeated phrases like "You know what I'm sayin' " and "You know what I'm tellin' you.' " In one strikingly tone-deaf moment, the lapsed-liberal professor Fox condemns politicians of the past (the book's past, our present) who weren't sufficiently pro-Israel: "I wish those presidents and senators and representatives had been hanged from lampposts all over Washington."
Lmfao

Just bought Hyperion and Hardcase thanks /lit/!

>>14991061
Terror.

Ubik

>>14991069
fpbp

>>14991446
Yes. Although this is like saying the sky is above the sea.

>>14991061
I cant, as far as science fiction
> yes including DUME

>>14991069
based

>>14991547
Wait, Dan Simmons hates Greta Thunberg? That's curious because if you'll ignore all the Keats and Chaucer meta, the plots of his books are the following:

Hyperion: local Hillary Clinton uses the AI threat and destroys the efficient interplanetary travel system. Humanity is fractured and billions are killed. Literally ongoing now, just not with AI, but with Corona (because Greta plane hate was not enough).
Endymion: there is a device which gives you immortality, but leads to memory decline. Catholic church manages to upgrade it and get rid of the bad effects. An entity literally called Void dislikes that people are immortal and sends void loli Greta Thunberg to destroy it. She spends two books running from the church roadrunner-style, but then surrenders and evil church kills her in an evil way. The scene of the killing is broadcast to all the universe. People get ashamed about Aenea... pardon, Greta sufferings, stop using the device and continue dying. Void is pleased.

Looks I was wrong about Simmons views. Were his MCs designated villains and the story a cautionary tale?

>>14991061
Here you go op

>>14994853
>when Jesus said "this is my body" at the last supper he was actually telling his disciples to literally eat his flesh so they could absorb his magical DNA and become telepaths
Even as a kid I could tell this was the stupidest thing I'd ever read.

I have the bug

Made me love the Pope more.

>>14994388
fuck you nigger

>>14996569
>the final boss of /lit/
holy shit he got you there OP

>>14991061

>>14994853
>or condensed:
nothing having to do with hyperion, the overarching 'plot' or the motivations
>just the fact you got a few strange sufferants together telling stories as they travel through an alien world with an unknown fate waiting for them that's actually probably a gruesome death

book would have been perfect if it dropped all the plot bullshit, and left you wondering why these idiots are all here and what's going on, and ended with no context save that they reached their goal and each received a brand of 'judgement' by the shrike. but that's probably just me. the same goes for books of the new sun. i don't like le epic overstory giving context to strange and fantastical worlds. save that shit for generic fantasy.

that said about generic fantasy, i have a huge soft spot for pic related, and all the malazan books too. mostly deadhouse tho.

>>14996168
Based

>>14996777
Thank you trips-meister

>>14991069
Based

>>14996168
I'm putting you on the special list

>>14994853
>>Space Maui flying carpets
shut the fuck up. Shut the fuck up!

>>14991446
true. been lately enjoying his short stories

>>14991069
Good book. Interesting and unique, but the writing and story doesn't compare to Hyperion

>>15000533
you're wrong anon
simple as

>>14991061
The Negronomicon