/lit/ - Literature

>>14966735
Start with the Talmud

>>14966735

the protocols

>>14966735
Principles of Talmudic Logic by Michael Abraham, Dov Gabbay, and Uri Schild

1. Don't don't it in public
2. Don't have room temperature iq

>The U.S. Constitution
>The Federalist Papers
>The Road to Serfdom
>Free to Choose

Beating this midwit in a debate would be easy as piss. His entire "debate style" is just to talk really fast to conceal his own ignorance of the topics he tries to passionately discuss.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRF3r3zUGqk

Debates and trying to beat someone in one are stupid ideas

>>14966735
He stands with science which is objective. You literally can't prove him wrong

>>14966735
snopes.org
wikipedia.org

Half of this man's arguments are based on complete misinterpretations of the things he's trying to argue against

>>14966735
Mad magazine.

>>14966735
Watch hours of his debates and use his own LOGIC and FACTS against him.

>>14966817
>>14966834
You do know this guy used to wipe the floor with Harvard's Debate Society regs, right?
I know it's a huge meme to call him a midwit or whatever but I think there's not a single individual on /lit/ perhaps the whole of 4chan who could succesfully outdebate him.

>>14966735
Culture of critique

>>14966735

The big issue with debating politics in the US is how brainwashed the public really is. When the public believes staunchly in so much obvious nonsense, like where do you even begin. When you start prattling on about 'empirical facts' n sheeit, the crowd overwhelmingly turns on you. Even if done with the upmost charm and composure, it will be no different because American society is an illusion composed of a long array of crazy lies and fables.

Like blasting '13 do 50' on a loud speakerphone, the crowd will grab their pitchforks. It simply doesn't matter what kind of eloquent or 'down to earth' rhetorical skills you try and mask it with

>>14966886
his strategy is in competitive debate called "the spread" and nothing could be more gay. the objective is to make so many points (good or bad, it doesn't matter) that your interlocutor cannot possibly respond to all of them. you "win" by attrition, but it's totally hollow

>>14966735
The medical literature on circumcision. It's pretty clear.

>>14966735
Bring up race and the prospect of non-Jewish ethnonationalism. He’s against it and it’s extremely easy to justify with biological determinism. Culture of critique explains what I mean pretty well regardless of the Jewish connection.
>>14966886
Then why does he get btfo any time he debates someone who isn’t a journo or autistic leftist college student?
>>14966852
This tbqhwy, debates are seldom (if ever) natural dialogues used to try to approach the truth, typically they are formalised competitions with inflexible rules, the aim is to win not to find truth. Not that they aren’t occasionally useful but a lengthy dialogue is almost always more productive and conducive to changing someone’s perspective.

>>14966769
based

>>14966735
He’sa smart guy but he’s in bad faith, whether he knows it or not. You’ll never convince him or his audience.

>>14967042
On the contrary, mon cherie, we are even more refined than the Athenian academies.

is Ben Shapiro sewing masks for his fellow Americans?

>>14966860
>why yes I stand with science, no goyim not if it suggests you can be ethnonationalists

>>14966735
Mein Kampf, unironically.

>>14966886

>>14966886
>You do know this guy used to wipe the floor with Harvard's Debate Society regs, right?
Where

>>14967009
link one example of him getting btfo

I'm waiting

>>14967149
assuming you've seen this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VixqvOcK8E

>>14967149
He doesn't debate anyone but college students. If he such a good debater why doesn't he wipe the floor with all the professors who regularly debate? I can name 20 of them that would go on his show.

Sun and Steel - Yukio Mishima

Then beat the shit out of slithery and specious nerdfaggots like him. Fast talkers need their tongues ripped out and shoved inside their butts so that they may taste the very essence of all that they preach.

>>14966979
>the Topeka school

>>14967110
That's a very Spenglerian point of view on his part. For Spengler, "blood" is not genetic but it's rather about like-minded people marching in harmony.

>>14967227
there's nothing harmonious about importing a new underclass

>>14967231
>>14967227
although obviously shapiro would deny that that is what anyone wants

>>14967231
The harmonious bit is when they have the same outlook as other people in the nation.

>>14967227
I don’t care if Spengler thought that way, scientifically it is genetic, science was the area being adressed

>>14967241
race also affects neural and hormonal composition and therefore behavioural phenotype, so that wouldn’t (and evidently doesn’t) happen in the real world

>>14967248
I don't think you understand. Spengler doesn't mean literal blood. And no, Shapiro was ultimately talking about ideology, not science.

>>14967257
It happens all the time. Lots of right-wing non-whites, lots of left-wing non-whites. It's all about ideology like Shapiro said.

>ben shapiro thread
>race realist materializes
I am sure this will be a fruitful "debate"

>>14967267
You aren’t seeing the bigger picture, the racial trends matter as a whole. I don’t care about specific ideology because I’m not a freak of modernity clinging to intangible groups of ideas (race is tangible). The trends I’m referring to are generalised behaviour such as aggression.
>>14967260
The first reply in the chain was claiming Shapiro stood with science, which is what I was addressing you retard

>>14967269
>implying one needs to debate when ethnonationalism is substantiated by study of biology and biological processes

>>14967302
>claiming Shapiro stood with science
That was a troll. No one actually thinks Shapiro cares about science and objectivity. He just trots out "science" and "fact" to use as buzzwords to browbeat opponents.

>>14967327
Ah ok, you are right

>>14967326
>>14967127
Someone say race realist

>>14966735
Sports Illustrated, Cosmopolitan

>>14967326
There’s more differences within races than between races

>>14966735
Watch all his videos. Study them. Systematically analyze your argument. Premeditate the counter arguments. I dunno about reading. I only read the bernstein bears.

>>14966735
Get a basic education. The only people he can debate are college undergrads

>>14967227
Thats pretty much how things were all of history

>>14967149
This guy offered to debate him but Ben ignored him
https://static.currentaffairs.org/2017/12/the-cool-kids-philosopher

>>14966735
He got BTFO by some old BBC guy lmao all that guy had to do was read excerpts from Shapiro's own books and question him!

>>14966886
My man, there is a reason Shapiro has stuck to publicly debating college kids only when he has a stage and an authority over the situation. He wins debates by attrition, dominate control over his surroundings, and punching under his weight. In the real debate against an expert he gets his shit kicked in.

>>14966735
I'm a first year uni boi doing philosophy.
I recommend John Rawls. Simple concepts that appeal to emotions, which is what Liberalism is all about. Not that its a bad thing, its a way to see life...
Happy Reading! :)

>>14966735
He's a lawyer, bro. That's his whole schtick, to be argumentative and quick.

>>14966886
Go away Ben

>>14967174
Extremely based.

>>14966735
Do you want to beat him from a right or leftwing perspective?

>>14967704
Yes.

>>14966886
I think Destiny would completely BTFO him.

>>14967227
I think that Spengler just didn't like this overly scientific, materialistic framing of race. He didn't like the idea of taking something that is so multi-dimensional in its layers of common history, mythology, and language and reducing it to something to be picked apart under a microscope. To him, this would have represented a degradation,and de-spiritualization of race, as genetics alone wouldn't sufficiently encapsulate his meaning of the term.

He wasn't a racial egalitarian or univeralist. He didn't take the liberal humanist view that all peoples are just interchangeable, atomistic units.

>>14966735
Winning a debate just means embarrassing the other person. Focus on that (rather than being "right") and, if you're clever enough, you'll be fine.

>>14966735
A very heavy book that you can brain him with.

>>14966834
He also tries to get under the skin of his debaters to make them lose focus. He really is the worst kind of pedant. The trick is to keep your cool and constantly get at those weaknesses without letting him get to you.

>>14966865
this
thanks based anon

>>14966886
Anyone with half a fucking brain can listen to 10 minutes of that guy and realise he's spewing complete bullshit.

Pat Buchanan

>>14967152
Ben got massacred and frankly Andrew Neill is a midwit. Embarrassing.

>>14967594
Those were cheap shots though. Some of them were from years ago when he had already dismissed them

>>14968523
>Those were cheap shots though.
They really weren't, and he lost because he spent the entire conversation making wild assumptions on everything.

I think the problem is Americans never debate properly, your culture doesn't allow you to develop good chops.

Anyone thinking they can "beat" Shapiro by drawing on ethnonationalism and race realism is being a bit ridiculous, since those kinds of views will be severely condemned whenever aired in public discourse, so there's no doubt you would lose. On the other hand, there is a valuable point being made, even if it isn't intentional– its a kind of argument ad absurdum that takes Shapiro's own insistence on the scientific method to ridiculous conclusions. If he's going to fully embrace the naturalistic fallacy and stand by science in determining normative standards, if "facts don't care about your feelings", then why doesn't he draw the connection between race and IQ? Why is he diluting the core content of his argument?

I would love to debate him on what it means to be conservative or of the right. The guy is a liberal all the way through yet he insists on being called a conservative and I think its deliberate.

>>14967152
Ben destroyed himself. Neil didnt need to do anything. Cringecore

>>14968592
Well apparently he’s all for the constitution, 2nd amendment, less governmental intrusion, yet doesn’t care about immigration

>>14968613
The constitution is a liberal document

>>14967152
Can I ask what he did wrong, when the moderator used biased flavor text like “the dark ages” and “extreme”? What exactly did the English dude expect to accomplish there?

>>14968618
Elaborate

>>14966735
You should at least tell us what you want to debate him on.

>>14967149
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-eg8YQF-hQ

>>14968654
The people that wrote it were liberals and the principles it expounds are of the tradition of liberal thinkers like Locke. This isn't even a slightly controversial thing to say and it shows how much the neocons have won that it's even questioned. They've essentially rewritten history.

>>14967568
Genetic variation within your race is a good thing.

>>14968643
>biased flavour text
You can see the gradual incline in his line of questioning, its not biased at all. You only feel that way because your views fall on the other side of the fence. He's challenging him on his strongly held anti-abortion views, which are by modern standards, "extreme". the dark ages comment is simply the result of a wide cultural difference between UK and american attitudes towards abortion, since only a tiny minority of people actually contest abortion in the UK. Shapiro instantly got defensive, played the victim and desperately tried to shift the goalposts to talk about the language being used, rather than deal with the question at hand. He even fell back on some vague, offhand reference of "science" that doesn't even hold up.

>>14968674
The Webster dictionary defines conservatism as “ a political philosophy based on tradition and social stability, stressing established institutions, and preferring gradual development to abrupt change”, so are you saying you can’t be for the idea of liberty and still support traditional institutions? Unless those “traditional” institutions suppress it like authoritarian monarchies and dictatorships

>>14968713
Oh piss off with your Websters dictionary. Liberalism is necessarily anti-tradtional because what the hell do you think they're seeking freedom from?

>>14968725
So your definition of conservatism doesn’t include any freedom and is inherently fascist?

>>14966735
watch his debate with sam harris. harris is a complete fucking moron and he still made him look like a dumb fuck.

>>14968745
Yeah, sure dude. That's what fascism is. I'm talking to a fucking idiot.

>>14967110
Yes, ideology does matter. And one that advocates miscegenation is wrong.

>>14968764
Honestly it would make more sense with what you’re saying about the constitution considering America paints conservatism as having gun rights when freedoms are libertarian

>>14966735
You can beat him with any of these. You don't have to read them, just hit him on the head with a book until he collapses.

>>14966735

Mein Kampf probably

Didn't this brainlet once say that people whose houses were endangered by rising sealevels could just sell them?

>>14968888
Based digits, and yes you are correct, the dude basically just runs his mouth and oversaturates the discourse by trying to score as many points as possible without actually thinking through the things he's saying. This was nowhere more evident in his interview with Andrew Neil, when he just started running his mouth about leftwing bias, despite Neil being a well-known conservative.

>>14966735

>>14967152
That ending lol

He's the living proof that Ashkenazi verbal IQ is overrated. He just wows people by the virtue of the speed which he conveys his thoughts, even though they lack severely when it comes to content

>>14967723
destiny is a retard though

>>14967629
Well then he should stick to jewing people in court. In philosophy the point is to find truth not to force an opponent to give up through attrition whilst never reaching close to a good point. The modern debate is midwittery given form, it’s literally a process of turning discussion of important topics into a game

AHEM

>>14969156
>uh hello, deportation department? Yes I have a spic you’ll want to hear about

critique of cynical reason

>>14969156
Okay folks, you can't hold me accountable for calling for the genocide of Palestinians when I was 19 because I disavowed myself without explaining why I changed my mind. This guy here though, when he was 19 this piece of shit hung out in the same city as white supremacists therefore he needs to be banned from the internet. Now let's talk about Birch Gold. Facts don't care about your feelings.

>>14966735
>a process of turning discussion of important topics into a game
A.k.a. Rhetoric

>>14966735
Not much, just dont be an autist.

>>14966886
He can destroy me in a debate, sure, but can he destroy me in a 1v1 Dust2 in CS:GO?

>>14966886
>(you)

>>14969143
And he would completely BTFO him.

>>14969151
you're aware this is what people complained about the sophists doing two thousand five hundred fucking years ago right

>>14966886
Polished shit is still shit

>>14968643
He's not a moderator, he's an interviewer. He was asking questions which were felt to be pertinent, and which would produce interesting answers if he were an interesting person and not Ben Shapiro. The idea is to challenge the interviewee with opposite opinions so they can lay out their way of thinking and, in the process, prove they're not a brainlet. Like the interviewer said multiple times, it's not an argument. He's not trying to "win" a debate with Ben. He's trying to give Ben the opportunity to say good shit.
To reinforce this point, the Scot who was interviewing him is one of the most right-wing people in the UK. But that's not going to stop him doing his job as an interviewer.
To be quite honest what shook me about this whole ordeal was that Americans were surprised by this kind of questioning. What the fuck is your news like?

>>14968523
>Some of them were from years ago when he had already dismissed them
So why not dismiss them in public with the reasoning outlined in the book he was foolishly there to promote? That's WHY they were brought up. Again, you niggers are incapable of grasping that it wasn't an argument, it was an interview.

I have so little faith in America that I would expect Shapiro to win in a debate with Noam Chomsky by popular vote even though Chomsky would've objectively rip Shapiro apart

>>14966834
Based Shapiro.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDMjgOYOcDw

look at what he has said about anything and then think for 2 seconds

>>14967267
>It happens all the time.
Nope.
€m>Lots of right-wing non-whites,
Nope.
>It's all about ideology like Shapiro said.
Nope. Three strikes, you’re out.

>>14969454
>To be quite honest what shook me about this whole ordeal was that Americans were surprised by this kind of questioning. What the fuck is your news like?
Advert for book sponsored by a multinational interspersed with adverts for beer and cars and freedum and medication.

>>14969497
Brazil and the Philippines and Russia and India are all right-wing as fuck. Non-whites are frequently right-wing.

>>14969520
>Brazil and the Philippines and Russia and India are all right-wing as fuck.
Uhhhhh... Brazil and India have some right wing looking things going on and obv there's differences in opinions, but not really.

>>14969539
Do you have no idea who Bolano and Modi are

>>14969569
Bolsonaro*
I don't know what possessed me to insinuate Bolano was Brazilian, I am so sorry.

>>14969569
>>14969575
I think you're confusing the elected leader with the feelings in the general populace. It'd be like describing Australia, France, Germany... as right wing.

>>14967127
cuck

>>14967152
lmao what a shit show
>b-but you think me thinking woman should get 30y in prison for abortion is barbaric
>I'm gonna cry and leave

>>14969589
The average Brazilian is religious, somewhat conservative, has extreme distrust of politicians and is nostalgic about our dictatorship, given that he's old enough to have lived through it. Social democracy and socialist ideas are almost exclusively restricted to the petit bourgeoisie and the newly college educated lower/middle classes, who were assimilated by the student movements' and black/LGBT movements' propaganda machines that exist in our universities.

>>14969589
Yes? I wouldn't call France right-wing (its President isn't even right-wing) but I would certainly call Australia and Germany right-wing.

>>14966735

>>14969694
not him but lmao, just lmao

>>14969701
Australia is genuinely right-wing by even American standards, are you okay?

>>14969704
>American standards

>>14969694
>its President isn't even right-wing
Macron is right wing.

>>14969721
nah senpai

>>14969721
Not the anon you're replying to, but Macron's brand of liberalism is the most centrist thing on the face of earth. The average French might consider him right-wing, but that's because Frenchs are real fags

>>14969750
>>14969753
Strong denial.

>>14969704
There is no right wing party in America. Republicans and Democrats are different types of liberals, one classical and one progressive. I don't know anything about Australia but I doubt it's any different considering its British roots.

>>14969763
Replace one of the liberal parties with a bona fide Labor party.

>>14969763
>>14969769
no you retards

>>14969760
Ok, explain to us what's right-wing about Macron's policies.

>>14969770
It's exactly the Australian politics, there's actual worker representation and even a decent social benefits system. Americans would generally consider it socialist.

>>14969786
The Liberals are right wing as fuck for a western nation, anon.

>>14969779
Less tax for the most affluent and erosion of workers' rights and benefits.

>>14969789
They are certainly right of the workers' party. However, Australia is a fairly left wing country in most important ways.

>>14969802
Healthcare is the only thing I can think of as being to the "left" of the USA, and that only applies to the USA. Every other western nation has free healthcare, I think. Even the other really conservative nations like Japan.

>>14969789
There's no such thing as a "right wing liberal." If you go back to the original conception of these terms the liberals in France were literally left wing. This sort of confused thinking drives me fucking crazy because it was purposely done by neocons.

>>14969807
Left and right wing has nothing to do with liberals. China's government has a left and right wing. It's a relative concept. Just because it started in the revolution doesn't mean it has anything to do with it nowadays.No wonder your autism is triggered if you hadn't known that.

>>14969805
This is the rise of communism in the minds of many Americans.

>>14969813
You really need to humble yourself and examine what you truly know. I'm not going to argue with you.

>>14969822
>You really need to humble yourself
Why do I have to do all the work? You don't even want to put in the effort of humbling me, so why should I do it for you?

>>14969825
>Why do I have to do all the work?
So you own it ;^)
t. J Locke

>>14969831
But I already own everything
t. you know damn well who it's t. by

>>14969834
Then exercise your power you CREATIVE NOTHING

>debates
why do anglos do this?

>>14969825
I'm not insulting you when I ask you to humble yourself. I'm telling you that you know a lot of things that aren't really so. You can continue being confused if you want because in the end it means nothing to me.

>>14966834
>>14966769
These.
Then:
>The Holy Bible
>Culture of Critique
not a book but
>get familiar with the stats he likes to spew, memorize a lot of stats which not difficult and makes you sound smart to put a specific number on a phenomenon
>read some basic genetic studies in the field of Anthropology, which inadvertently implies some big things about 'race'

>>14966886
Cringe

>>14969843
I didn't say you were insulting me. It's strange for you to bring that up out of nowhere. It sort of makes me suspect that maybe you were insulting me.
Why should I be the one to humble myself if it's you who wants me humbled? Don't ask me to do your dirty work. You mention it means nothing to you but all your words say otherwise.

>>14969855
>demonic proportions
INDEED

>>14969867
I literally just told you why I'm asking you to humble yourself. You believe you know things when you really don't. The only way to correct this is for you to admit to yourself that you don't know these things. It's not anyone else's job to do this because the defect is entirely within you. You need to examine your own knowledge.

>>14966772
Actually sounds interesting.

>>14969859
keep the memes up, it means you're winning
; D

>>14969953
Seethe.

>>14966886
oh man, the bar is low

>>14966735
Just talk as fast as he does retard

>>14966735
Talk very slowly, firmly, and clearly, like a nail on a chalkboard. Don’t rely on empirical facts that all political sides superficially rely on: cite sources from the Bible, that most protected part if American conservatism. Drive in the stake; milquetoast conservatism yields no mass righteous living in comparison to the theocracies of David and Solomon. Capitalism as it stands in America is not biblically moral. Lives spent gripped by sinful usury are those of cattle, material comfort creates no reliance on God, unmarried Onans waste sperm to condoms and tissues while looking at internet porn, and children are born out of marriage. Capitalism (material-loving) makes the religious right (God-loving) lose the culture war. The incoherency of being morally conservative while indulging in God-hating mass produced culture propagated by Capitalism should be exploited, as well as any other paradox in American conservatism. The preparation for this can be found by reading the KJV and Aquinas (Second Part of Summa Theologica primarily). Statistics on moral corruption caused by capitalism can be found drifting on the internet.

>>14970324
>Aquinas
catholic satanism

>>14968643
Once again burgers prove they're fucking retarded.

>>14967152
ben has a very annoying voice
it's surprising to me that he's such a prominent public speaker

>>14966735
good luck lmao

>>14967152
Is there any footage of Neil suggesting that abortion is homicide to a pro-abortion interviewee?
I understand the point he's coming from when confronting Ben, but this approach is just hypocritical if he doesn't dare to suggest such things when facing the opposite side of this argument

>>14970374
Martin Luther King Jr., the preeminent American authority on egalitarianism while bearing the name of the founder of Protestantism, liked to cite Aquinas, you fool.

>>14970374
all catholicism is satanism

>>14970565
>Martin Luther King Jr.
communist satanism
>>14970585
exactly

>>14970556
>Is there any footage of Neil suggesting that abortion is homicide to a pro-abortion interviewee?
idk but that very much would be what he'd do
please understand neil is an extreme conservative himself

>>14970722
That’s what everyone says but where is the proof other than
>dude trust me

>>14970716
>>14970585
Oh I get it. You’re discord trannies. Witches burn and fuck off.

>>14970733
His positions on politics are very public. Dude's been in charge of half the right-wing papers in Britain.
As for the interview of pro-abortion people, I literally don't know 'cause frankly I don't watch BBC news much. Sorry.

>>14966735
On the Jews and their Lies.

easy, just use stats and purposely misinterpret them to fit your narrative while saying you're simply stating "facts"
he's the lowest of the lowest scum

>>14966735
This reminds me of that one anon who posted here like a year ago. He said Ben Shapiro was coming to his university and he was asking for material to btfo with a question or something like that. I believe he said he'd post a link of it on here, but I never saw it. Does anyone else remember him?

>>14967568
Like what?

>>14968888
What’s wrong with that? The only people in danger of losing their houses to global warming are rich coastal elite Jews. They would still profit in the end regardless what they sell their homes for because of their position but even then they could cut losses and be fine since they are so wealthy.

>>14971189
You are a special kind of stupid, aren't you?

>>14971198
Enlighten me

>>14971204
>How far does the water rise? Urrrr...
>Only place waters will rise will be California or some such rich place, right?
>Capital being lost in a disaster is totally great for the economy.
>Global warming isn't going to mess up the habitability of the planet. It's fine, no, fine!
>Only jews are rich, guys, right?

>>14971224
>hurrr duuur the sea level is going to rise over a thousand feet over the next weekend
>people don’t have years, decades, centuries to sell their homes and prepare for this totally real imminent doom

No really I don’t get your point.

>>14966735
Nathan J. Robinson
https://static.currentaffairs.org/2017/12/the-cool-kids-philosopher
https://www.currentaffairs.org/2018/08/stray-thoughts-ben-shapiro-bad-arguments-in-the-atlantic
https://www.currentaffairs.org/2019/03/why-wont-the-right-debate-us
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beDyZfLIYk4

>>14971253
That is such a bad strawman. Try harder.

I'd never heard Shapiro's voice until watching the videos in this thread. Holy shit what a little nerd faggot. I feel like I've gained some insight into the people who think this guy is hot shit, they clearly see their own whining sniveling asses in him. Also lol at him getting so bootyblasted at some fat scottish guy. Is Ben really considered some thought leader? Anyway back to fapping to his sister.

>>14971224
Global warming isn't real

>>14971420
That’s exactly what I said his voice was so high pitched

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VixqvOcK8E

cuck civil war

>>14967619
This, the video in >>14966834 is a great example of what happens when Shapiro even gets devils-advocate called out by a real professional debater, it's a slaughter of epic proportions. Shapiro mostly only wins by finding people he can punch down to and who don't put up much of a fight.

>>14966852
Wrong

>>14967723
Probably. He absolutely ate Jontron's lunch and I could imagine him eating Shapiro's too.

>>14971502
Missed that the video in >>14966834 was the ABRIDGED slaughter, you need the FULL video to enjoy just how murdered Shapiro was by the end

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VixqvOcK8E

>>14971519
see
>>14971431

>>14971420
he's literally the personification of pol, and then they wonder why no one takes them seriously or even wants to engage in discussions with them.

>>14970556
Calm down Ben, he's definitely right wing. Give it up already!

>>14966834
>His entire "debate style" is just to talk really fast to conceal his own ignorance of the topics he tries to passionately discuss.
There's something a little more subtle that I must type up. He's a pernicious little shit though.

Who’s this sharpie guy? Is he like a liberal or some shit?

>>14966886
Nick Fuentes would destroy him

>>14966735
/6agtph6

One does not simply beat Ben Shapiro in a debate...

>>14970786
You unknowingly worship Satan, faggot. Cope

>>14969486
This. Shapiro is a pseud who gets 100% of his opinions from his religion.

>>14967568
There is more variation within chimps and humans than between them

>>14972980
Fuentes got assraped three different times by Destiny lmao

>>14968945
Kek. Don’t forgets Where ya at by Future.

kek at all these brainlets saying they'd own him. To go to Harvard law, you must at the top 0.1 percent and he supposedly topped his class at harvard as well. Not to mention he skipped two grades in an elite high school. None of you retards even come close

>>14966735
Literally any book.

>>14974068
No fucking way this is real

>>14974153
>To go to Harvard law, you must at the (((top 0.1 percent)))

>>14974153
He wastes his intellect.

Just talk faster and louder than.

>>14966886
>putting any stock whatsoever in college debate
https://youtu.be/_XU92LHHk2Y?t=991

>>14974052
Destiny is a sophist. Only simple minds fall for his tricks

>>14966735
If you read a piece of toilet paper that has been used to wipe someone's ass you should be able to beat him. He is literally just a more intelligent version lowest common denominator conservative religious guy. the only way he can beat you is if you yourself are poop.

>>14974153
So what if his hard drive and processor speed are greater than mine. He still believes in the absolute bullshit about outward religion. the fact that he cares about law is very telling of why I don't like this guy. I'm starting to see why people hate Jews.

>>14967152
This is pure gold. Andrew wasn't even trying to debate him.
>>14968643
>biased flavour text
That's not how it works, kid. There is nothing wrong with questioning the interviewee's beliefs and let him explain himself. It's just that Shapiro (like the good American he is) is an idiot that thinks that everything is about coming on top of discussions.

>>14966735
If you are Australian then it should be easy, because he'll be speaking at a normal pace and you'll realise nothing that he's saying is particularly insightful.

If you aren't Australian, but you can read at an 11th grade level, then it should be easy because nothing that he is saying isn't the same neoconservative sophistry that failed to survive the 2000's.

If are neither of these things, then you are the kind of brainlet that he and all his ilk can easily prey on. Start with the Greeks.

>>14967149
boy you fucked up

>>14966886
I see you are quite the (You) farmer.

>>14966735
"The art of being right" by Schopenhauer

>>14966762
This, obviously.

>>14966768

>>14974052
destiny fanboys are so delusional lmao
he's a sniveling kike just like shapiro

>>14974456
NOT IVY LEAGUERS
KEEP COPING, SHAPIRO WOULD ASSRAPE YOU ON STAGE

>>14966735
To beat him, you need to read:
> All of Celine's pamphlets
> Mein Kampf
> The Holy Bible
> Talmud
> Culture of Critique
To obliterate him you can also read:
> For My Legionaries
> The Capital
> The American Constitution
> Proof of a Conspiracy
> On Jews and Their Lies
> Ride the Tiger
> Kaputt
> Goebbels dairies desu
To make him admit defeat you can also read:
> The Constitution of Israel (and Israeli law); this is really enough on it's own

Other requirements:
> A neutral playing field
> You having a IQ105+

>>14975923
All American debate societies are some version of this, maybe not as extreme but they don't understand what debate is at some fundamental level.

>>14975903
>>14974458
And yet Fuentes was still destroyed. Could this mean your teenage nazi idol isn’t that smart to begin with?

>>14974068
Is this real? It can't be.

>>14969789
Reminder that when these people say vapid, ignorant shit Like this, they're coming at it from the perspective that anybody who isn't explicitly marxist is "right-wing", even if they're rabid progressive shitlibs in every possible area.

>>14974153
I just watched his Political Compass video where he says the government doesn't need to punish false advertising, the consumer can just sue the company. This braindead moron is a lawyer who doesn't even understand that the courts ARE a branch of the government and that suing someone is appealing to the government to force them to right a wrong. The guy is an absolute joke

>>14974310
>Asians need not apply

>>14976568
What is it with neoliberals calling everyone a 'nazi'? Fuentes is a liberal too, just more aligned with the founding fathers than with clowns such as AOC.

>>14966886
is this a joke

>>14966817
lmao this

>>14966772
We should turn this into the new GJ Churchwood and get everyone on /lit/ to read it and discuss it

>>14971253
>implying that whoever owns the homes at the time close to inundation will get any money for them

>>14966735
Why would I debate some fucking nobody Heeb?

>>14968592
>>14968613
This is exactly why I stopped listening to him after the Lewandowski scandal.

He wants to play this game of being a stalwart conservative that is only on the edge of acceptable conversation because 'the left' has shifted the Overton Window so extremely.
Yet, he very strategically leverages his power and influence to try and destroy Trump and other viable right wing candidates. He claims to be right wing, yet is unwilling to loyally support anyone that isn't a bland neoconservative whom the public have already rejected.
If he can swindle a few young people from voting altogether, he'll consider it a job well done, safe in the knowledge the DNC will never elect a candidate that would meaningfully threaten his comfortable position

What the fuck is there to even conserve in America? Traditional marriage? Gone. Euro-blooded Americans being at the top? Gone. Chrisitanity? Gone. Traditional values? Gone.

I want to "debate" his sister, if you know what I mean.

https://youtu.be/Gzf1SDusJx8

>>14978914
nice breasts

>>14978914
Based!

>>14978914
What the fuck does that even mean? A conservative Jew in America? So she's conserving Jew values?

>>14978914
I swear, now is everyone's time.

>>14978914
hmm

>>14966735
a book

Literally anything. The man is fucking retarded,

>>14978989
fake

>>14978958
>So she's conserving Jew values?
Yes, that's what conservatives have always conserved.
>>14978989
Pretty sure they're not crypto-jews, anon. Doesn't her brother wear a kippah pretty much all of the time? And he's always arguing for jewish supremacism and Israel first.

>>14978924
Big khazar milkers. If Ben had been born a woman people would have been less ready to bully him I think. Just nodding and going along with his dumb arguments because he had big tiddies.

>>14979017
lol it's directly from the video that Anon shared

>>14979026
Why wasn't Ben born with the (((nose)))?

>>14979123
Might have had a surgery on it, or maybe he just got a less potent dose of Khazar genetics. He still looks incredibly jewy.

>>14966735
Nearly anything, it’s not difficult.

>>14967723
I fucking hate desTiny but i honestly think he is better at using shapiro's tactics than shapiro. easy win for him.

>>14978989
>woman who is well known to be jewish looks jewish
>this is somehow interesting
>>14978958
Close to 100% of american conservatives fight to conserve jewish values and support jewish interests

>>14977214
First of all, don’t pretend that you know what neoliberal means. Second, Nick Fuentes has:
>engaged in holocaust denial
>advocated for an immigration policy that prioritizes whites
>expressed a desire to “put women back in the kitchen” in his own words
>advocated for the institutionalization of trannies
>got caught eating his own boogers during a livestream

So how the fuck does he differ from a nazi exactly? I just can’t imagine being pathetic enough to look up to someone who’s not only this much of an angry loser, but younger than me as well (and assuming you’re not a preteen, he is younger than you.

And let’s not forget he does all this despite literally being a POC himself. Lmao

>>14979550
cope jew

>>14966735
>debate
Why waste your time?
Just call his ass outside he will bitch out immediately.

>>14966860
gr8 b8 m8

>>14969699
Holy
Jesus
What is that?
What the fuck is that?

>>14979563
>So how the fuck does he differ from a nazi exactly?
I see nothing about national socialism in there, just your standard old school liberalism. The founding fathers would have liked him.
>And let’s not forget he does all this despite literally being a POC himself. Lmao
Sooooo, what do you say about white people that work against their own interests? Being white and a neoliberal/progressive/neomarxist is the exact same thing as being a jewish national socialist. And is Fuentes even working against his own racial interests? Progressives are mostly about black supremacy and low quality immigration.

I don't idolize him but I also don't think he's le ebil naaahtzeee bogeyman you want to make him out to be.

>>14979563
>>engaged in holocaust denial
Yes because Jews aren't the only victims of WW2 and I'm Jewish too. Most of it was haphazard and unplanned due to Germany's failing economy towards the end of the war. I'm no Nazi, but it's certainly overplayed. Read Norman Finkleston, Jews just use the holocaust to justify their dominance over America and to let Israel do as they please. Although, Israel is heavily hated by the rest of the world, so I'm not sure how much longer it'll last in the way it does. It's also an issue to be discussed at length, but the way in which contemporary Israel is is just a disaster. Although, I also do not know much nor care much about Israel.
>>advocated for an immigration policy that
prioritizes whites
Good, why is this a bad thing?
>>expressed a desire to “put women back in the kitchen” in his own words
Why is this a bad thing? As opposed to what? Meaningless positions where they just look pretty and say cute things, or be a free woman with no repercussions and men flocking to her and buying things until she turns 40 and becomes bitter and lonely. Also, female in the workplace is just a capitalist trick to expand wage cuckery and accept the general premise.
>>advocated for the institutionalization of trannies
Yes, trannies have high suicide rates and drug addiction and most are forced to change even when apprehension. Their political tools for large corporations to show how moral and tolerant they are, thus making people feel comfortable from buying from them. Why would you not want to fix the issue as opposed to them parading around like a laughingstock.
>>got caught eating his own boogers during a livestream
Embarrassing, but hardly any reason to make him a "Nazi." You're a joke.

>>14979563
>So how the fuck does he differ from a nazi exactly?
Because you don't know what a Nazi is and even if he is a 'nazi' he's a rather tame National Socialist with little relation to the German Empire in the 30s and 40s.

>I just can’t imagine being pathetic enough to look up to someone who’s not only this much of an angry loser, but younger than me as well (and assuming you’re not a preteen, he is younger than you.
I don't look up to him, and I find him obnoxious and not to be taken seriously, but it doesn't mean you're not a retard.

>>14966886
This is because nobody will name the Jew at Harvard.

>>14979574
What am i coping with? how am I a jew?

>>14979563
>advocated for an immigration policy that prioritizes whites
but I thought he wanted to protect his own ethnic group's interests?

>>14966769
Holy based

>>14979563
Why would you not want to prioritize whites? its not like we will be innundated with mass imigration from sweden any time soon. If immigration from mexico was as much as sweden, I doubt anyone would care.

>>14980265
Ypipo bad, brown r gud.

>>14979609
>The founding fathers would have liked him.
The founding fathers were a group of elitist, slave-owning cunts with a handful of good ideas who would have been forgotten by history by now if not for the wealth they were born into. Ideologically, they have far more in common with today’s fascists than today’s liberals. Fuck them.

>Being a white neoliberal/progressive/neomarxist is the exact same thing as being a jewish national socialist.
Progressivism is a pro-white ideology, brainlet. But unlike white conservatism or white fascism, it’s also pro-everyone else.
>is Fuentes even working against his own racial interests?
He’s a brown person who advocates for a white ethno-state. You tell me.

>>14979863
You idolize a kid who eats his own boogers and campaigns for an ethno-state he wouldn’t even be included in. You’ve forgone the right to judge others.

>>14980280
White people and brown people are good. Racists are bad. You’re a faggot.

>>14980297
>The founding fathers were a group of elitist, slave-owning cunts with a handful of good ideas who would have been forgotten by history by now if not for the wealth they were born into. Ideologically, they have far more in common with today’s fascists than today’s liberals.
Wew, and you wonder why actual liberals like Fuentes want you deported?
>Progressivism is a pro-white ideology
Extremely anti-white that puts national socialist Germany to shame when it comes to racial hatred desu.
>He’s a brown person who advocates for a white ethno-state.
Is he now?

>>14980332
You're a racist.

>>14969855
scary as fuck image

>>14980297
>A few snarky comments, uninteresting/unintelligent observations and a "FUCK"

Why do trannies always have this vaginal tone? Is it due to excessive time spent online in echo chambers? Is it instinctual? Anyone have an idea?

>>14966886
Didn't he get destroyed by Andrew Neil?

>>14967326
no actual science can substantiate something like "ethnonationalism"

>>14966886
>>14966979
>Debate Society
Debate was always for spergs who rapidly rattle off facts and "arguments" autistically for "points" and never convince anyone who actually improve at rhetoric. Moot Court and Mock Trial was for the chads who could actually eloquently present a case and captivate an audience with flair and superior oratory skills.
Youtube it and see the difference between college debate and prelaw. It's how these fine specimens were able to win:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmO-ziHU_D8

>>14966735
>beat Ben Shapiro in a debate
promise him AOC feet pics if he takes a dive

>>14967152
>be american
>"sir, sir, sir"
~250 years and they still can't shake off their servility to britain lmao

>>14980316
>You idolize a kid who eats his own boogers and campaigns for an ethno-state he wouldn’t even be included in. You’ve forgone the right to judge others.
Nobody 'idolizes him' fucktard, it's rather that you are completely brainwashed. Fuck you.

>>14980297
>The founding fathers were a group of elitist, slave-owning cunts with a handful of good ideas who would have been forgotten by history by now if not for the wealth they were born into. Ideologically, they have far more in common with today’s fascists than today’s liberals. Fuck them.
'Fuck Them.' 'Fuck them,' that really ought to shake things up. Look how weak and inconsequential you are. You're literally campaigning for large corporations retard. You're a sheep that needs weak friends.

>Progressivism is a pro-white ideology, brainlet. But unlike white conservatism or white fascism, it’s also pro-everyone else.
You're not pro-white. You're a large corporation globalist shill, probably middle class and far removed from reality.

>He’s a brown person who advocates for a white ethno-state. You tell me.
IDC about him personally, so fuck off.

>Wew, and you wonder why why actual liberals like Fuentes want you deported?
Name a single thing in my statement that was incorrect.
>Extremely anti-white that puts national socialist Germany to shame when it comes to racial hatred desu.
Please please please elaborate on that. There’s no way it won’t be fucking hilarious.
>Is he now?
His skin is brown and his last name is Fuentes, so yeah.

>>14980439
>A right-winger calling anyone a sheep and a corporate shill
Your entire worldview is based on the notion that an elite class of wealthy white men should rule over the rest of humanity like cattle. The lack of self awareness here is staggering.
>No one here “idolizes him”
You sure spent a lot of time here defending him

>>14980567
>Your entire worldview is based on the notion that an elite class of wealthy white men should rule over the rest of humanity like cattle.
Oy vey, cool it with the antisemitic remakes.

>>14980584
>remakes
*remarks
Lol, phoneposting is annoying.

>>14980385
>a bunch of incoherent nonsense followed by an accusation of being a jew /tranny/satanist/globalist

I wouldn’t expect anything else from this board

>>14980584
One of the many ironies of fascism is that they will always accuse their enemies of whatever it is that they’re guilty of.

>>14966886
>debate society
so you went to a shit-tier school if you don't know how unimpressive those things are

>>14966817
Did you have a stroke while writing this?

>>14980567
>Your entire worldview is based on the notion that an elite class of wealthy white men should rule over the rest of humanity like cattle. The lack of self awareness here is staggering.
Yes that is my entire worldview I’m glad you explained it to me so eloquently and were able to dismiss it with such a witty remark... You have no idea what my worldview is but I know yours is exactly what you’re told it should be, so maybe you should think about things a bit anon.

>You sure spent a lot of time here defending him
No I was insulting you for being a retard, idc about Fuentes. Furthermore, he’s just a man with an opinion why do you care either way?

>>14980603
Such an erudite analysis

>>14980803
You know what? You’re right. I don’t know what your worldview is. But I can guess. And my guess that you’re not very fond of non-white people, LGBT rights, feminism, “degeneracy”, environmentalism, or government handouts. Is that somewhat accurate? And I suppose it’s only a coincidence that all of your beliefs end up empowering the most powerful people in society while disenfranchising everyone below them. As for me believing everything I’m told, well that could be true, even though I’m a literal anarchist who had to unlearn everything I was taught by the education system and media to arrive at the positions I hold now. Maybe we could have a discussion about these things or maybe you could call me a Jew/tranny/globalist/commie/satanist/cuck. But I think I can predict which one you will choose.

>>14980875
Sure what’s your discord I’ll have a discussion with you. No need to be so mawkish.

>>14980875
In what way are you an anarchist? You’re literally a capitalist liberal globalist.

>>14970810
Came here to post this

>>14980875
Wow, it's like you came right out of a neoliberal college and has only watched CNN and Netflix while never picking up a book in your life.

Either 10/10 bait or genuine retard.

>>14980875
I bet this cringe lord is a self hating white cuck. Hey cuck, no need to hate your own people. Also you should be against race mixing if you care about "muh non-whites".

>>14980987>>14981018

I don’t have one but give me yours and we can work something out.
>>14981002
>in what way are you an anarchist?
I want to destroy all unjust social hierarchies, whether they come from wealth, race, gender, or anything else. Capitalism and liberalism promote these hierarchies, so I’m against both those things.
>>14981016
You realize leftism has been the primary opposition to neoliberism in the Western world since it’s been a thing, right?
>>14981018
I love white people, but I also love non-white people. There is literally no objective reason to be oppose race mixing either. Also you’re the ones who are obsessed with cuckolding, not us.

>>14981049
>I want to destroy all unjust social hierarchies
These are good. Exploitation is a good thing. I don’t think you’ve thought out your ideas fully or looked in the bottom of your soul. Man is perverse and moral, no need to make him one or the other anon.

>>14981049
R u A woman or a tranny

>>14981049
>You realize leftism has been the primary opposition to neoliberism in the Western world since it’s been a thing, right?
Wew, more like being the auxiliary force tearing down anything that might oppose it. I seriously hope you're just being a parody of some complete drone of an American college student.

>>14981065
You what you just said makes you the ultimate cuck right? That you would defend your corporate overlords and embrace your role as a disposable animal whose only value comes their ability to work and shop. I can’t imagine a greater celebration of weakness.

>>14981068
I’m literally what you guys would consider an “aryan” male lmao. Although I am pretty overweight.

>>14981077
That’s an extremely outlandish statement that you need to justify right now.

>>14981049
"I love non white people, but I don't care about their survival"

>>14966979
this

>>14981095
All natural social hierarchies and institutions are a roadblock for capital to squeeze the most amount of profit and labour out of you. So called social justice is just a D&C tactic to destroy collectives from forming. Feminism was a way to get women into the workforce, into wageslavery and this was sold as liberation. They don't want people to have any loyality other than to money, reduced to consumer-worker units that may be bred in one part of the world and then transfer wherever it would be profitable.

The left are just the goons of capital, tearing down any structure that might go against whatever suits transnational corps.

That’s not true at all. The main goal of leftism is to dismantle capital and return humanity to a more communal way of living in which people are valued for their individual qualities instead of how well they serve the interests of the wealthy, and aren’t deprived of the material wealth that their labor produces. All right wing policies do is reduce men and women to figures on a spreadsheet.

>>14967127
his mic is small like him

>>14981114
>>14981153
Oh fuck I meant to respond to you with this

>>14981153

>we want everyone to be individuals
>we will achieve this by living in communes where people lose their individuality

Leftists are seriously fucking retarded. Like in the most literal sense.

>>14981402
Why the fuck would communal living diminish people’s individuality? It’s capitalist isolation that forces people to fit a specific mold for the purpose of employability.

>>14966735
>debate
lol, ben "debates" like he was motormouth policy reject
take more than 5 minutes of thought and the guy crumbles when you ask him to clarify

>>14981429
Because dumbfuck, the larger a community and when people live in large groups, the more your identity is lost in the shuffle, the more you become a cog in the wheel. Communists' solution to the problem of alienation is to create even worse alienation. Communal living doesn't allow for progress to happen. Imagine a commune with 100 people, and there is the next Aristotle or Da Vinci is living in it. His genius will not allowed to flourish to its fullest ability because it will not be considered sensible to do anything beyond the commune's needs. Society as a whole will stagnate and we will basically be in a new dark ages. But of course this goes against your image of the commune as being a romantic ideal where everyone sits around drinking coffee, reading poetry and fucking each others' wives.
The only way on the planet to be truly individual is to shun both capitalism and socialism and go live in the woods and be self sufficient, but of course you will never do that.

>>14981049
>I want to destroy all unjust social hierarchies
>Capitalism and liberalism promote these hierarchies
That is exactly what liberalism is striving for, the destruction of all perceived irrational structures, free the individual from all the traditional norms that restrain his activities. Capitalism cannot function without the quest for individualism which presupposes the critique of social norms. There are people that makes a distinction between social liberalism and economic liberalism but they are two sides of the same coin.

>>14981537
and of course, anarchists are no different than the rest just as all those that believe in the naturally independent individual owner of himself fiction. You are operating on the same mindset than a liberal.

>>14981537
>>14981551
Very based.