/lit/ - Literature

>>14931961
Decline of the West

>>14931961
Interested too.

it's easy: transgender people are still people so they're entitled to equal human rights and dignity

>>14931961
The funny thing is this shit isn't anything new. In George Orwell's The Road to Wigan Pier, Orwell laments over how all of the socialist inner circles in Great Britain are infested with homosexuals, health nuts, and pretentious idiots who would rather endlessly drone on about their theories than accomplish anything. He pleads with his fellow socialists to focus their efforts on appealing to the working class rather than weirdos and misfits. Over 80 years later, socialists and communists continue to ignore Orwell's advice.

>>14931961
That pic explains so much about the avocado picture

BioLeninism:
https://youtu.be/qZvjNJxzevM

>>14931961
>Communists
Do you mean college larpers?

>>14931997
Upper-middle class bourgeoisie narcissism.

>>14931997
Kek I remember he had a whole paragraph talking shit about "juice-drinkers" aka vegans for making socialists look bad because of how fucking off-putting they were

This >>14931995 is pretty much it. We support humans. Not an static aesthetic of imagined purity

Not lit related though.

>>14932015
>IT'S NOT REAL COMMUNISM!!!
Cringe midwit take

>>14932015
Funny enough, the dude on the left is probably the only homosexual in your collage

>>14931997
I wish this was written by someone who wasn't a fag and a traitor

>>14932064
You’re a fag traitor

>>14932064
>fag and a traitor
Funny way to spell “man coming to his senses and purging subversives”

>>14932040
I remember that as well. I also remember Orwell describing how he was once seated on a bus near a working class man and when a couple of queerly dressed gentlemen got on the bus the working class muttered under his breathe "socialists." It's funny how some things never change.

>>14932073
I could kill you with a single punch. Isn't that amazing, woman?

>>14932083
I doubt that you could.

>>14932042
There is a difference between support and encouragement. If you are looking for a non-static image of humanity then isn’t that more akin to complete anarchism where anything from chopping off your cock and getting a dilating hole to lynching people for sport goes? It seems as though communism wants a static image that doesn’t include racism and violence just as an example, which are two natural states of man, or just as natural as anything else.

>>14932064
I love how Orwell continues to make you Soviet apologists seethe. You delusional fags will forever be mad at him because he spoke the cold hard truth.

Left wing will go nowhere until all idpol and liberals are purged.

>>14931961
>Communists tend to support transgenders
They don't. Degenerates like you get sent to the gulags.

>>14932127
>They don't.
Nigga, have you ever been to a modern communist gathering or browsed leftypol? And don't give me the "NOT TRUE COMMUNISM" excuse.

>>14932049
There are no communist countries in the West, fagboy. All the degeneracy you observe is the result of capitalism.

>>14932134
Are you claiming Western capitalist countries are communist? You sound deeply confused.

>>14932144
Countries? No. I'm talking about the degenerates who proudly identify as communists.

>>14932149
What about the men who proudly self-identify as women?

>>14932127
Cope. Like half of all modern communists are either gay or transgenders.

>>14932155
Transgenderism is well-established as a rightwing disorder. But nice try.

>>14932117
Pretty much this.

>>14932162
Are you trying to claim that trannies are right-wing? Let me guess, you think all forms of idpol are right-wing?

>>14932162
lol. Imagine actually believing this. The right actively attacks commies whenever they can. The left promotes this shit.

>>14932170
>all forms of idpol are right-wing
Bingo.

>>14932175
Imagine being this conceptually confused.

>>14932170
That's what all of these delusional commies say. it never boggles my mind just how much the left can bend their perception of reality to justify their ideological view of the world. They should just admit that the right is correct on this issue.

>>14932184
You are dilating right now, aren't ya sicko? Disgusting sack of shit.

>>14932154
Biology is biology no matter how hard trannies delude themselves into thinking they can become the opposite sex. Ideology is less concrete. You can't change your chromosomes, but you can change what you believe in.

>>14932107
>There is a difference between support and encouragement
Liberalism supports all that lgbt, IDpol, gay marriage, etc. We’re taken advantage of.
>akin to anarchism
I am an anarchist. The commune is found through anarchism
“Trans” is a pipe dream. It’s not achievable with current medical technology. The sadness these people feel is real and lamentable, and liberal capitalism takes advantage of that and feeds them the idea that it’s possible. Thoughtful materialists know this, but not all our ranks (so to speak) are as thoughtful
Violence and racism as “natural state of man” is a stupid cop out. Stay focused

>>14932183
You guys are fucking delusional, lol. Marxism is built on identity politics. Which is a good thing when it comes to class. It's a bad thing when it comes to leftist degeneracy.

>>14932195
>Up is Down! Black is White!
Wew.

Support them because they are people that think they have a problem, and that problem gets them killed in the real world. Yeah, it's gross. I hate fat people too. I know my societal standard of beauty. But man, people shouldn't be killing themselves or dying in the streets because their brain was born wrong. There are more important things to be concerned with in regards to the "decline of the west" than some people who want to be a different sex. Late stage capitalism is collapsing because of a virus, not because there are gays and trans people. I fucking hate people who gloat about having sex and defining their entire personality based on relationships. But I fuckin' hate prudes who push their own world view that shrugs off entire groups of people they want to murder.

>>14931961

Because trannies are lumpenproles.

>>14932191
>you can change what you believe in
Exactly. For example, you can no longer be a Marxist and become its opposite: an IdPol-loving neoliberal capitalcuck.

>>14932195
No. That's basic level marxism.
Class is not an identity. It's your real material relation to means of production. You can feel like a billionaire (like some men feel like women) but it's irrelevant, if you're a prole and don't actually own any MoP.

dag

>>14931997
Orwell is incredibly based.

>>14932117
Left wing will continue going nowhere. Marxists killed socialism.

>>14932192
Violence is the natural state of man.

>>14931961
> he doesn’t read Marxist philosophers so he can convince retarded college Marxist LARPers to transition
Ngmi.
> transition count: 10
> suicide count post-transition: 2
Nothing personnel :^)

>>14932261
A stupid statement

>>14932202
Sanest post in the thread.

>pic related
What does that have to do with communism other than the blatantly obvious shopped in hammer and sickle

>>14932279
Would you prefer I say conflict?

>>14931961
Because intersectionality is correct and tankies are closer to fascists than anyone else.

>>14932202
No one gave a shit about trannies when they were a tucked away minority that quietly lived their lives. The problem is now that trannies are mainstream, liberals are doing fucked up shit in the name of "trans rights." For instance, kids are being given puberty blockers and HRT. Kids are easily influenced and don't start getting a solid grasp on stuff like sexuality and gender until they're in their late teens. Something as radically life-altering as HRT should be strictly 18 or older, but that's not the case. I don't want trannies killing themselves, but I don't want children being abused either.

>>14932134
leftypol was run largely by trannies. I remember when the BO's sextape was leaked. I may have a shitty life, but at least I will never be a fedora wearing vaper who gets sucked off by a transgender pig in black lipstick

>>14932303
Enjoy not going anywhere. I'll be waiting for your "revolution" so I can kick your teeth in.
t.ex communist

>>14932202
>that problem gets them killed in the real world.
You know what's the number 1 killer of transsexuals? Themselves. 41% suicide rate. These people are fundamentally broken and feeding their delusions won't save them.

>>14932372
Who's BO?

>>14931995
That isn't communism. Communism is an ideology for a stateless classless society presupposed on a class struggle. There are two classes. The proletariat, who are exploited on their labor, and the bourgeoisie who benefit from this exploitation. Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels were darwinists and not humanists. They did not believe idealistic nonsense, such as "entitled to". Their materialist framework objectively and eternally refutes such bourgeois ideas as equal human rights and "dignity". The true answer to OP's question lies in direction opposition to yours, which is to say, that the reason present day communists of the west support such identity politics and so on is precisely because they are communists in name only and their reading of Marx is only of titles when the brainlets are unable to generate an argument they lazily defer to "dude you don't understand jeesh, you just gotta read (insert marx/engels writing here)". The truth of the matter is such revisionists need the human dignity of being forced to work in brutal conditions in the countryside for at least 15 years.

>>14931961
Trans rights

>>14932304
>No one gave a shit about trannies when they were a tucked away minority that quietly lived their lives.

Thats where your misunderstanding of the situation comes from. As early as in the last 5 years, the 'panic defence' was a valid legal defence that allowed murderers of trans people to go scot free; someone would beat to death their friend/son/date when finding out they're trans, then claim they were acting in a frenzied panic because they were 'freaked out' by the transperson, and that actually helped avoid charges of murder in court.

And obviously, if you could get away with murdering someone trans, imagine how much bullying, housing and job discrimination they faced in life. It is no wonder that their suicide rate is so high as society fully casts them out.

Things weren't chill and rosey like you baselessly claim. History has always been brutal and minorities have been oppressed and abused throughout all of it, all of the time. You just don't hear about it because the voice of the oppressed is ignored or distorted.

>>14932303
>tankies are closer to fascists than anyone else.

The absolute state of liberals. But enjoy shitting on MLs, all actually existing socialism and debating tranny dicks while the world burns.

>>14931961
Paul Cockshott
June 17, 2019 at 5:14 pm
I have read a number of papers that claim to detect differences between the brains of people who have undergone transexual treatment compared to others of the same sex. These papers suffer from a number of weaknesses, small sample sizes, failure to control for the effect of hormone treatment, failure to compare against homosexual samples, failure to control for brain size. None of them, to my knowledge, has ever demonstrated that blinded detection of transexual subjects can be performed solely from NMR scans. It is unclear what conclusions you are drawing from these studies.

All behaviour has material causes, none is freely chosen.

The notion of free will and free choice is part of Catholic theology and alien to the materialist world view. Saying that homosexuality, or transgender identity is not freely chosen may be of relevance if you are debating with a priest, but not when debating with a Marxist.

All ideological beliefs have material supports. If a person believes in transubstantiation or sees visions of the Holy Virgin, these beliefs and experiences have a material support in the state of the believer’s brain. One would expect, were one able to put a person having a Marian vision in an NMR machine that they would show activity in areas of the visual cortex.
But were one to detect this activity, one would not concede that the vision of Mary was real in any sense other than it being an internal brain state.
That there are patterns of brain activity associated with the internal modeling of the body, including perceptions of whether the body is male or female, is only to be expected but it is unclear a) how reliable current NMR techniques are at detecting non-conforming perceptions, b) why one should give particular credence to such states even if they can be detected.

>>14932418
based but Marx didn't think there were only two classes, his theory was a lot more complicated by the end (e.g. lumpenprolitariats, petty bourgousie, ect.)

>>14932430
I'm assuming that the "panic defence" is no longer valid, and trannies now have every legal right as everyone else, so what else is there to do? All of the "trans right" people I hear from argue that trannies need to be normalized, but such rhetoric is absurd since trannies can never be truly normal.

>>14932480
Actually provide transitional procedures

Not randomly ban them from government jobs like the military etc

>>14931961
I also wonder this. Got booted from a communist forum for saying that there are only two genders lol

>>14932507
What does ludicrously thinking you are a woman have to do with Marx in any way? Engels made fun of freaks like you in private letters.

>>14932082
Kek. That kind of encapsulates my feeling and experience.

>>14931961
Communist larpers aren't communists.

>>14932434
based Cockshott

>>14932432
Funny thing is Marxost-Leninists are the only people who actually get shit done. Tranny Marxists just theorize narcissistically about identity.

>>14932552
does that mean fash larpers or any kind of larpers are not either?

>>14932570
>Tranny Marxists
I.e., Capitalists.

>>14932586
By definition.

>>14932596
Nope. They're definitely Marxists.

>>14932298
It’s like saying anger is the natural state of man.
Itchiness is the natural state of man.
furgaggorty is the natural state of man.
its nonsense

>>14932608
They are exactly as Marxist as they are female.

>>14931961
>why does an ideology for genetic failures attract genetic failures

hmmmmmm

>>14932054
Ok and?

>>14932083
based
>>14932090
baseless

Transgenderism is an assault on womanhood, no materialist ideology can even support the ideas behind transgenderism

>>14932618
Cope. You people are fucking delusional. You just Blame this shit on capitalists because you don't have the balls to PURGE THESE DEGENERATES.

>>14932641
I'll ask again: why are trannies so overrepresented in communist movements

>>14932650
You mean ancap movements, right?

>>14931961
Bio-Leninism would be a good place to start answering this question. Here's a decent enough breakdown:

https://youtu.be/qZvjNJxzevM
https://youtu.be/EmroKlAJMsM

>>14932654
Nope. This is a well known phenomenon. You can hide from it all you want, but all of the sexual degenerates are located on the left and are overwhelmingly communists.

>>14932534
Curing gender dysphoria is a human need, and society should be oriented around human needs

And also freedom of man from cultural capitalist tyranny eg gender roles, binary genders and religion

>>14932673
>This is a well known phenomenon.
[citation needed]

>>14932707
>Curing gender dysphoria is a human need

Someone on this planet unironically believes this. Not you, I know you're trolling; but someone out there does.

>>14932613
Violence and conflict are not feelings or sensations, they are a reality
The truth is that not only violence and conflict are the true essence of man, they are the true essence of reality itself, they are the being in itself
Read Heraclitus

>>14932707
>gender roles, binary genders and religion
can you outline why these are strictly capitalist? I'm less interested in theory and more interested in the status of these as phenomenon of capitalist society

Same mindset. Fascinated with the possibilities of the world and fiction and how those two can overlap, they get sucked in into the temptation of a better state of being, they see, even when there is none, a possibility of fulfilment of their fantasy or how they can synthesize this into reality, they are like a children throwing a temper tantrum demanding that you give him his ice cream or else he will scream, shout and make fuss. They learn from a early age the meaning of power by threatening their parents and evolving it into more morbid variations of that, like those land whales shouting "NO HATE SPEECH REEEE". And the ones that reach a high social ladder evolve this mindset even further with more tyrannical forms of control and manipulation disregarding the others as being lowly then they are by the simple fact that they allowed their trust to be betrayed, they see others as naive fools and constantly conflates malice with realism to the point where they become divorced from reality. And paradoxically they are easily manipulated by "trigger words", not the one that you are probably thinking about, but the ones that "trigger" a emotional response when you say it, be positive or negative. Maybe they don't trust people because of how easily manipulated they are. Betrayal is a very strange thing, the moment you first experience betrayal you whole world fall apart, "is he trying to manipulate me?", "is what a believe is truly real?", "what if it is all a false like that asshole who betrayed my trust to make fun of me?", "maybe he was right and I shouldn't trust other people like that", "maybe I should be like him". Like a virus, betrayal can make the betrayed a vessel of his own immoralty. It is like someone punching and humiliating you for shits and giggles and you agreeing with that.

They are simpletons who, rather than take a more correct and efficienct solution, instead try to force their stupidity into others, they are the sort of people that can only truly learn when they fail and, at the same time, they hate with all their heart their shortcomings of a wounded ego.

>>14932799
>Being this spook-ridden
Wew

>>14932830
This is what having a 60 IQ looks like.

>>14932842
See? lmao.

>>14932430
If it's a choice between social exclusion of trans people and complete normalization of these radically deviant behaviors, I would choose the former everytime and i don't really see a middle ground between the two. If Pride says anything about the kind of sexual culture these people want to cement, then I can't have any common cause with them.

>>14932507
>actually provide "free" (read: taxpayer subsidized) mutilations
Pass

>>14932650
both based on a fantasy that once put into practice has to be forced by the state to be followed by normal people that will never truly accept it

>>14932507
>pay for my cosmetic surgeries
Gross

>>14932154
Clearly something deeply given their abhorrent characters and tendency to an hero.

But more so in that you are what you are just as is, treating it as signalling your membership of a market is cringy af and capitalist degeneracy.

>>14932136
Cuba is absolutely part of the Western world, but otherwise you are completely correct.

>>14932432
Fun fact: The Red Army didn't have any equipment to document the liberation of Auschwitz at the time it happened, so they had all the prisoners get put back inside and wait until cameras were delivered so they could do it a second time and record it for their propaganda efforts.

>>14932833
You are the only one who is ridden by spooks.
Mussolini's favourite philosopher was Stirner, and for good reasons.
You are a slave and will die as one, trampled under the foot of stronger men who who will do with you and your loved one as they please

>>14932650
haha but actually try to remember that the majority of the sympathizers of a given ideology, support it based on what it represents or feels like to them, not based on some literal reading of a manifesto or past applications of it.

To oversimplify and overgeneralize(this does not describe everyone), there are people who feel they are in a unfairly weakened state, lower on the hierarchy then they want to be and thus sympathize with revolutionary movements to change the hierarchy, that we could describe as far-left or far-right.

For which side these types choose, the differentiating factor is the perceived permanence of this personal state. The person on the far-right still believes it to be a temporary weakness with the ability to regain or express strength in ones self again. The person on the left believes that their personal weakness it a permanent state, with no real ability to become or express strength on their own.

All people see a hierarchy but the three mainly debated systems, fascism, democratic capitalism and communism arrange this hierarchy differently. So for someone who feels they are at the bottom of this hierarchy permanently no matter what....

Fascism extols a might makes right ideology, strength will dominate. But if you believe strength is something you can't obtain or is only used to oppress you then you would hate such an ideology that worships it. Democratic Capitalism balances freedom, the ability for the strong to out perform the weak, and equality, the principle that makes weak and strong on equal footing regardless of ability. This would be more favorable to the permanently weak but still the freedom for people to separate in a hierarchy is still bad if you are at the bottom of it. Communism, with the promise to all that they will all be equal ensures that the weak will not be at the bottom of the hierarchy, as there is no top or bottom.

I don't mean to say this as an insult but this is part of the reason why such leftist ideologies attract people who are ugly, an ethic minority, lgbt, poor, in the wrong career track, overweight ect. so often. These people perceive themselves as permanently low in their respective hierarchies and are sympathetic the the idea of one day having the strong brought down to their level. Vise versa for the person person on the far-right.

If intelligence and corporate flood revolutionary movements with trannies and homosexuals then not only will they be less appealing to the working class but they will also never pose a serious threat themselves. Those queers are not some natural occurrence but created through chemicals, pornography and state education and in this way turned into sex crazed gay eneuchs larping socialists.

>>14933089
Stirner was a cuck and his philosophy was a justification of his being a cuck

>>14932202
how do we support them though? I think the situation is much more convoluted than how you state it - like why these people might want to be a different sex, and if that is even a healthy and reasonable thing. Maybe late capitalism is also at fault here?

>>14932507
What if we put them out of their misery instead, in my opinion that would be more humane then a dilating hole or whatever they're constructing.

>>14933255
This is the proper collectivist mindset. They usually kill themselves sooner or later anyway, for their own sake and that of society they should be granted an express cure from their condition, lead delivered very quickly into their skulls.

>>14932641
>Transgenderism is an assault on womanhood
Do you believe only MtFs exist?

>>14932418
These progressive issues are just large companies attempting to out-do each other in moralism in order to justify people buying from them.
The far-right: Actually rebellious, but bad leadership and too much emphasis on muh whitey as opposed to the problems with the system. Probably closest to Marx unintentionally.
Regular Right: We accept the system and this moralism, but don't think it would occur. Haha jokes on you "abortion" kills mostly young nigger lives, so you don't follow the system well enough. Nigger lives are important! Usually accepts the system as is and is reduced to wimpy arguments like the constitution or it wouldn't work.
Centrists: "I stand for nothing and don't have a 'rational' argument against the system, but I don't buy into the left or right"
Left: Moralism, moralism, moralism, but let's make a profit while we're at it!
Far-left: The system is great and I love it so much, but there should not be a profit. I'm a communist right guys?

As you see, all Americans excpet the fringe far-rights support the system. Communists are not actually communists but incredibly weak people.

>>14932083
Based

>>14932799
Degenerate schizophrenic

>>14931961
Take it from a left-social democrat.

I honestly dont care about trans people, i don't think ive knowingly met a trans person in my life, and i live in incredibly progressive Stockholm...

I understand they have it tough and i hope policy and culture does its best to accomodate these people, but if i had to tell the truth i find ideas about trans a little dubious. I bet alot of these people could just be happy as gays instead, but maybe thats why i dont set policy.

Anyways why is the RIGHT entirely obsessed with this? before this it was the cuck shit, why do you always project your porn addiction on the rest of society?

>>14933302
working class trad economic left RISE UP

>>14933704
Åk hem, neger.

>>14932650
They aren't. They're overrepresented in capitalist countries. Ask yourself why.

>>14931961
you're talking about the western strain of commies. OG stalinist russian boomers hate trannies, gays and Obama

>>14933746
>

>>14931961
as a ftm tranner, freaks like this make it easier for me to pass and divert all the unneeded attention
not to say they're full of lulz and will an hero in a couple of years when the West picks up another trend and abandons lgbt
> inb4 you will too
haven't had a single suicidal thought since the voice change almost two years ago

>>14931961
they're useful idiots

>>14933773
You will kill yourself if you get doctors to chop off a part of your leg or arm, roll it together and stitch it onto your crotch as some kind of terrible mock penis.

>>14933782
i won't. i'm not genitals obsessed so no desire for bottom surgery. better to have no dick (it also suits my monkpill lifestyle) than a frankenfuck unholy atrocity of a meat tube
it's much rarer in tranners than in mtfs to get a serious bottom surgery

>>14933765
Bli rövknullad, apjävel. Alla kapitalistsvin och deras undermänniskor skulle läggas i massgravar om vi bara fortfarande hade en riktig folklig rörelse. Hoppas du suger av landsförrädarna och judesvinen ordentligt som tack, Gud vete att du inte skulle vara vid liv om inte för deras arbete.

>>14932418
based

>>14933803
Good, mate. Just out of curiosity, are you attracted to men or women? I know a lot of mtf are coomers that become transbians. Wondering if the same is true for the opposite.

>>14931961
apparently communists make fucking yummy looking cakes

>>14931961
Because the vast majority of leftists are just liberals LARPing as socialists. This has been the case for most leftists ever since the 1960s, they’re effectively just liberals with of an inferiority complex. Total slave morality.

Regarding transgenders, leftists are obsessed with neoliberal identity politics to the point where they literally have a hierarchy of oppressed identities to choose from. Transgenderism is basically at the top, hence why there’s been a massive surge of transgenders in last 5 years. It’s literally a trend, and they obsessively attach themselves to these identities to construct some sort of ideological basis for why they’re nihilists that want to cross dress as woman. At the end of the day they’re still the weakest people in modern society. They live on the internet, are suicidal, depressed, lonely, pathetic, self-loathing and have never seen their ideology translate into politics because everyone knows they’re insufferable losers. Best to not pay attention to them

>>14931961
Kill all the enablers that let this poor girl do this to herself. What a tragedy.

>>14933835
Neolibs aren't leftists. Transgenderism is just another example of Western capitalist degeneracy.

>>14933842
Leftism ≠ socialism ≠ communism ≠ marxism

The left are the liberals.

>>14933849
The left are the opposite of liberals.

>>14933853
Not even close. In America they fundamentally agree on everything socially, only differing on state implementation and support for the establishment. They’re liberals with a different skin.

>>14933837
When a bird flies out of its cage and out the window, nothing further can be done.

>>14933864
There is no left in American politics.

>>14933853
The left were the liberals opposed to monarchists during the French revolution period. America was founded on a leftist liberal ideology and then people moved even further to the left, arguing for even more negative freedom. The left were always the liberals, the humanists, etc.

Socialism doesn't come from that spectrum, it emerged during the industrial period as a response to the post-revolution state of society and completely goes against leftism aka liberalism, making the collective the subject rather than the individual. If anything socialism is a return to values more similar to those of pre-revolution Europe, more to the "right".

>>14933874
There is only the left in American politics you moron.

>>14933823
indeed there are a lot of gaydens and extreme yaoi fangirls (those mostly pretend to be faggy guys online), and some of them so obnoxious you smell a woman instantly, but many also are alright, even some actually gay ones.
irl i have no desire to be in a relationship and dont pursue it or sex, but i find most women attractive and only some autistically specific demographics of men. i'd say bi with a strong leaning for women. i dont like traps

>>14933814
OJ, du verkar stabil. Knalla ner till NMR-meetup med de andra inavelsoffren och fjun-ungar, en dag så får ni säkert eran "vita" vad det nu betyder nation tillbaka, bara fäst fler klisterlappar på lyktstolpar...

>>14933814
Ta oironiskt livet av dig, bula.

>>14933864
>In America
why do burgers do this

>>14933886
>Obama is a socialist
There is no Left in American politics
Besides maybe Kshama Sawant

>>14933881
The entirety of mainstream Western politics is more or less liberal. This fundamental question of left versus right is whether the means of production (land, machinery, people) should be owned by those who make it work (Left) or by a parasitic non-working elite class, whether feudal lords or bourgeois industrialists (Right).

>>14933886
if the democrats were in Canada they would be the most right wing party here. same goes for most of Europe.

Liberalism is so all-encompassing in the West that it’s almost like there’s a spectrum of liberalism. Kind of surprised there aren’t many people that have fleshed out this spectrum and how it works but that’s probably because liberal elites control all the discourse and moral dictations anyways

Find me any western communist or communist sympathizer party that does not have entries on tranny rights on their website

>>14933895
Jävlar vad ni svartskallar tänder på folkmord, bli inte för hög på skiten finansjudarna matar er med bara. Tro inte att ni är något annat än mer mänskligt skräp från kapitalet, avföring för att olja maskineriet som gör de rika rikare. Ingen heder eller värdighet alls, gå och ligg med din kusin, fitta. Köp en ny iPhone med den biten av statskassan som används till att köpa er.

>>14933928
The marketing tactics of fringe parties are irrelevant. *All* mainstream Western political parties embrace tranny rights. They may differ on the details -- public bathrooms etc -- but they all agree that you're allowed to put on a frock and call yourself Brenda.

>>14933908
Leftism ≠ socialism. George Bush was a liberal, Obongo was a liberal and Trump is a liberal. They're all liberals and they're all leftists.
>>14933909
No, that's not what left means. You're talking about socialism vs liberalism, liberalism was never "right"-wing. Learn your terms ffs.

>>14933933
Å ändå så kan jag sätta pengar på att jag betalat mer skatt än du någonsin kommer göra. Folk som du brukar inte kunna hålla ett jobb...

>>14933941
Sorry, you're just wrong. Left and Right refer to positions regarding the concentration of power. Nothing to do with "personal freedoms" or tolerance of cultural differences -- that's liberalism.

>>14931995
transgenderism, like homosexuality, is bourgeoisie decadence

>>14933280
FtM's present zero threat to men

I pity them more than anything

>>14933944
Come on bro, muh taxes is a poor argument and makes you seems pretty sad

>>14933751
Because most commie nations are of the tankie variety and are more based than the US or West Yurope when it comes to dealing with matters of faggotry or tranny shit

>>14933933
>Köp en ny iPhone med den biten av statskassan som används till att köpa er.
>Buy a new iPhone with that bit of the national budget used to pay you (implying im on benefits)

>>14933964
>>14933944

>>14933944
Jösses vad patetisk du är, hade helt rätt om dig. Jag ger fan i din magra summa på kontot, pengar är skit. Vad det gäller job så har jag arbetat för polisen i tre år, så jag är både stabil och vet precis vilka efterblivna missfall negrer och andra kackerlackor är. Avlägsna dig själv från livet.

En dag kommer de riktiga socialisterna skjuta bögar som dig, den dagen kan inte komma snart nog. Låt oss då se om de rika blöder blått och undermänniskor även har skit i ådrorna och inte bara i generna och hjärnan.

>>14933950
You might want to read up on the etymology.

>>14933980
>Polis
>bula

Vem kunde ana...

Inte för att jag tror dig men men.

>all this bickering about what constitutes left wing vs right wing based on some ancient split in The French Parliament

>>14933988
Based.

>>14933984
Left = not loyal to the King; in favor of revolution, aka the deconcentration of power from the nobility and monarch. Nothing about trannies.

>>14933999
Yet it leads to trannies, leftism is all about negative liberty, now even from gender. Socialism isn't about liberty, it's an embrace of collective power.

>swede flamewar ITT

I wish google translate was better

>>14934005
>leftism is all about negative liberty
Nope, that's liberalism again.

>>14934013
Yes, left in the seating order, leftism. Right is anti-liberty and pro-duty, hierarchy and so on, positive freedom. Stop playing dumb.

>>14934023
Right = pro-exploitation of the majority via land ownership, physical capital ownership, and ownership of people (slavery) by the minority.

>>14934008
It's some kind of nazbol cop and diversity liberals clashing. Sweden yes, in a nutshell lol.

>>14934036
>liberal
Fan heller. Im a proud sosse, LO-medlem och allt.

>>14934029
No, that's not what the French revolution was about.

>>14934043
Yes, that's what I said, liberal.

>>14934050
Amen lägg ner din gamla Stalinist, bara för att jag inte runkar till internationalen gör mig för fan inte till centerpartist...

>>14933955
Excrpt that homosexuality is rooted in child psychanaltsis, whereas those late trasngenders are a complete different kind

>>14931961
>What books should I read?
Industrial Society And Its Future

> 13. Many leftists have an intense identification with the problems of groups that have an image of being weak (women), defeated (American Indians), repellent (homosexuals) or otherwise inferior. The leftists themselves feel that these groups are inferior. They would never admit to themselves that they have such feelings, but it is precisely because they do see these groups as inferior that they identify with their problems. (We do not mean to suggest that women, Indians, etc. ARE inferior; we are only making a point about leftist psychology.)

>>14934063
In the context of international politics it's what you have to come to terms with being, I wasn't talking in terms of particular Swedish regional politics and the finer nuances between political parties (as if there are any lol) but to give an understanding to someone outside of it. You can't really with any honesty call yourself a socialist, that implies something along the lines of China, if even they can fully wear that label considering their current state.

Sweden is a liberal and capitalist welfare state and all the political parties fall under that paradigm. You have dissenters to that system, communists, nazis, fascists, anarchists and so on, but they aren't represented.

>>14934089
>we
why did he write like this, it makes it sound so schizo

>>14934099
I think you are too far up your ML ass. Social democracy is **NOT** the same as liberalism. It has similar characteristics, its not socialism, but for political labels to actually be meaningful, everything right of Deng Xiaoping cant be liberalism...

>>14934106
There is a distinct smeagolesque quality to Teddy...

>>14934106
Because he tried to create the illusion that the manifesto was part of an organization rather than an individual person in order to avoid being caught. Ted claimed his manifesto was written by an organization called The Freedom Club.

>>14933980
Polisen är ett verktyg som tillhör de nuvarande makthavarna, alltså sosseeliten och journalistkåren. Din tillvaro går ut på att upprätthålla den nuvarande maktstrukturen, tro inget annat. Vilken värdighet! Åh, vad vi ser upp till dig!

>>14934043
Nästan lika vidrigt som snuten (inte riktigt, snutar är sin egen klass av motbjudande). Jag kan inte vänta till socialdemokraternas totala kollaps de kommande åren. De är fullständigt inkompetenta, fylld med vidrig vänskapskorruption och genomcuckad ledning.

>>14932007
get of 4chan you fucking dork

>>14934262
Han har gott om värdighet när han och lasse pucklar på invandrare när ingen ser.

Mer bevis på att polisen förtjänar allt de får...

>>14934274
Äsch, farbror Löfven är rätt ok, det var bra att han och Karin Jämtin gjorde sig av med Mona Sahlin gänget det ger jag dig.

Men du har fallit för Moderat propagandan. Nu när de blå tar över kommer du se nerskärningar i välfärden som du tom skulle få Reinfeld att rodna.

Tänk dig liknande skatt men ett fullkomligt "nya-karolinska-ifierat" välfärdsystem.

Macron gav fransmännen privata ambulanser som får betalt provision när de plockar upp sjuka, kommer bli skitskoj.

Svensken är också för feg för att ta till gatorna som fransmännen gjorde.

>>14934280
Våldtäktsmännen från Afrika och Mellanöstern förtjänar varje slag, horunge.

They don't anon. Old school communists would gas the fuck out of all these abominations.

>>14931961
You might as well ask why communists tend to support making roads, there is no argument against it if you are not retarded.

>>14934318
>genital removal is the same as roads
Wew

>>14932799
>>14933089
Violence, greed, betrayal, or any conflict, is the result of being alienated from your material conditions proper. Nobody is violent for the sake of being violent. Even the most fearsome predatory animals, such as a lion, only kill when they're hungry. That you believe that violence is a natural face to humanity over being the result of a lack of material conditions is a spook.

>akshully that's not real left, the 20 troons on bunkerchan and me is the real left thread no. 841367236596

>>14934324
I said if you are not retarded

Man this guy's arc has been a long one for me, the top picture is new to me, what a twist. Can't believe I didn't expect it.

>>14934363
>guy

Because someone who is predisposed to adopt communism is likely going to be in favour of minority rights also. Communist values — fairness, egalitarianism, liberty, community, secularism, etc. — are closely aligned with, if not the same as, the values of intersectionalism. That is not to say being a communist implies being an intersectionalist. But it explains why the two are so closely allied.

As for me, I’ll give you my argument in favour of transgenderism.
1. “Man” and “woman” are social categories expressing behavioural differences between the two sexes, not biological differences
2. Because this behaviour exists as a bimodal distribution, there will be some individuals who, despite being biologically male/female, will in their behaviour fall so far from the mean of their sex that they can be considered the opposite gender than that which they were assigned. Refer to pic related and swap “height” with “behaviour”.

>>14931961
>Country with the most transgenders has also been the strongest anti-communist power for decades
>Communist countries are miles behind in freak-acceptance
Dunno, OP. But empirical evidence doesn't seem to agree with your presupposition.

>>14933941
americans are so embarrassing

>>14934371
>Because someone who is predisposed to adopt communism is likely going to be in favour of minority rights also.
Communism is the opposite of minority rights, dumbass.

>>14932127
Gulagposters are somehow more cringe than DOTR retards, probably because at least there is shock value in pretending to be a nazi

>>14934450
Dilate, libfag.

>>14932430
No one believes that retarded shit lmao

>>14931961
Whats wrong with her chest

>>14932418
>The proletariat, who are exploited on their labor, and the bourgeoisie who benefit from this exploitation.
Why should I give a shit about this baseless moralism? The lower deserve to be exploited by the higher

>>14932304
This

>>14933773
You are literally giving into spooks

>>14931961
So this guys want change current enomic formation to Communism?

>>14934486
The point isn't about who deserves what. The point is for the labourer to realize he is being exploited and then watch the fireworks.

>>14932670
>Bio-Leninism
These unique pseudo-ideologies make me cringe so hard. Do teens really go around telling people they’re “bio-leninists” or other Marxist word-salads like “Luxembourgist”. Top kek

>>14934533
Look at the cake, someone photoshopped hammer and sickle on it. Who else would have hammer nad sickle photoshopped on their pictures?

>>14934542
>The point is for the labourer to realize he is being exploited and then watch the fireworks.
Sounds like some nihilistic bullshit with no moral anchor except for “prole good, bourg bad!” It’s obviously in favor of the subhuman masses and leveling everything to their level. Quantity over quality. No wonder it results in mass deaths

>>14934543
It's not an ideology. It's just another case of "American tries to have unique opinion on Russian history".

>>14934553
That's just how the world works. Whatever you like it or not is irrelevant.

Can you all stick your heads in the oven already?
Thank you, please die
Die, die, die, die, die.

>>14934556
More like an observation of how things work in practice. Revolutions don't come from functional and well adjusted people.

>>14934562
I'm fairly sure most of Bolsheviks were functional, otherwise they wouldn't defeat the Whites. "Well adjusted" is meaningless category.

>>14934570
Look, anon, the point is that intelligent and good people don't become obese retards who spend all their time editing wikipedia articles to favour their antisocial ideology. Those red rascals were people who were a dead weight to the society they lived in and so they are the perfect card carrying party member. The people at the top don't actually buy into any of the horseshit they peddle, they just want the loyality of underlings and this is not something you get from people not dependent on your group. If you then put the worst people you can find as the slave masters of the rest of the people then you have ensured they will obey you, because without you they would be nothing. They would either be in prison for being pederasts or find themselves in some such position.

Promote capable and good people and they might get their own ideas.

>>14932418
Based. Stalin was truly right about the kulak menace. >>14932042 is one prime example

>bro, its SCIENCE, see, it says SCIENTIFIC right there, nuthin to do with morality, no theres absolutely nothing of romanticist or Fichtean in talking about collective consciousness of proletariat dude trust me and it's certainly not secularized eschatalogy noooooooooooo

>>14931995
>can say this about people born with a desire to self mutilate in the name of false assumptions about human biology
>can not say this about humans not interested in their authoritarian cult
classic

>>14931961
Because modern “communists” are just a collection of naive first worlders who only know how to hug their problems away

>>14934525
i might be. i will continue to abuse spooks to my will if it helps with not wanting to kms

>>14931961
Bioleninism

Marxists are attempting to sow discord and disunity to create the conditions that enable a communist revolution. The Frankfurt school guys knew that a Soviet style revolution was impossible in the west because the west was so religious and LGBT shit is just one of the things to help undermine it.

>>14934483
botched dpuble incision mastectomy. must've had some decent sized titties.
glad mine are small enough to have a keyhole surgery, only leaving some scarring around the nipples
even serious scarring like that can be soothed by being a ripped beast but she's literally a manfaced woman, that face passes so well it's eerie

>>14931961
They are retarded ideological loyalists who can't take a loss, and cope by living in perpetual sabotage of everything else. Same shit as young earth creationists.

>>14932083
Cringe because you think you're talking to a woman

>>14934597
Look anon, your drivel doesn't correspond to reality. Make theories about your stupid country and make them quick, because it's gonna fall soon.

>>14934771
>West was religious
West was less religious than Russia.

>>14931961
Weak people support weak ideologies.

>>14931995
lol no

>>14932507
>PAY FOR MY GENITAL MUTILATION
No. Go fuck yourself. Also, the military ban makes perfect sense since trannies are mentally ill and people in the military need to have healthy minds to handle the extreme stress that they're put under. Honestly, trannies should've never been allowed in the military in the first place.

>>14931997
Sounds like I need to read this book immediately. The general election exposed this dynamic most exquisitely just a few months ago.

It's easier to manipulate vulnerable people and communism as an ideology is for weak people.

>>14932083
I suspect you'd find butterfly would sting you like a bee with hi-er peepee.

>>14932507
Imagine being a tranny and fighting for the equality to be allowed to kill 3rd worldrs in service of corporate profits.

>>14931997
He was and is right.

>>14932082
>>14931997
>In addition to this there is the horrible–the really disquieting–prevalence of cranks wherever Socialists are gathered together. One sometimes gets the impression that the mere words ’Socialism’ and ’Communism’ draw towards them with magnetic force every fruit-juice drinker, nudist, sandal-wearer, sex-maniac, Quaker, ’Nature Cure’ quack, pacifist, and feminist in England. One day this summer I was riding through Letchworth when the bus stopped and two dreadful-looking old men got on to it. They were both about sixty, both very short, pink, and chubby, and both hatless. One of them was obscenely bald, the other had long grey hair bobbed in the Lloyd George style. They were dressed in pistachio-coloured shirts and khaki shorts into which their huge bottoms were crammed so tightly that you could study every dimple. Their appearance created a mild stir of horror on top of the bus. The man next to me, a commercial traveller I should say, glanced at me, at them, and back again at me, and murmured ’Socialists’, as who should say, ’Red Indians’. He was probably right–the I.L.P. were holding their summer school at Letchworth. But the point is that to him, as an ordinary man, a crank meant a Socialist and a Socialist meant a crank. Any Socialist, he probably felt, could be counted on to have something eccentric about him. And some such notion seems to exist even among Socialists themselves.
p.157

The communist organization I was with split, more or less, because of a line struggle around transgender and whether or not it was 'postmodern'.

It's kind of hilarious how easily you can destroy a leftist org over something so insignificant and worthless to what you're actually trying to achieve.

>>14933864
not true at all. example: generally, liberals applaud the 'diversification' of society, especially the workplace. they would probably celebrate more women and black men being made managing directors at the worlds biggest banks. a leftists would tell you that this is kind of a useless form of social progressivism-- its simply causes a more diverse group of people to enable an exploitative, corrupt capitalist economic system.

yet another example: open borders. neoliberals applaud the idea of open borders in the united states (which is, funnily enough, a historically libertarian desire..and something that was most famously pushed for by the reagan administration). any leftist worth their salt will tell you that FULLY open borders would most likely be extremely damaging to the american working class.

>>14935980
The rightist Org isn't doing so hot either

>>14935992
I was with you until you started saying that neoliberalism wanted open borders and leftists wanted exploration enabled by borders

>>14931961
They have the right to exist, but god this is the must disgusting thing I've seen in a while.

>>14933941
Leftism = Socialism
Exactly this.
Yes those people are all liberals. Which is why they’re not leftists. Why are you unable to absorb this simple fact?

>>14936019
but seriously, think about this: every single major democratic candidate said they were pro open borders (this is including bernie sanders). not just decriminalization, but open borders. trump is famously closed border, and it seems like, out of some knee jerk reaction, every mainstream liberal has elected to open the borders or, at the very least, make immigration at the border less stringent. as for "lefts wanted exploration enabled by borders" im not sure what you mean

>>14931961
I'm gonna guess there's different types of communist.

>>14936078
i don't know why it so impossible for people to grasp this

>>14936170
Because it makes the term 'leftism' redundant. If it doesn't refer to an umbrella of various sorts of leftwing positions, if it just literally means socialism, then it serves absolutely no purpose.

>>14935087
> not wanting flamethrower-wielding qt femboys and reverse traps in your military just like in jap games
Someone got pleb-filtered.

>>14936160
I've not heard a single Dem be for open boarders; reform sure, open no.
What I mean is that the left wants open boarders because boarders enable exploitation of foreign labour.

>>14934338
Absolute foolishness. Animals kill for the pleasure of killing, not because "they're hungry". You don't understand yourself, not the world around you.
The idea that violence wouldn't exist if just everyone had what they wanted is laughable, but completely normal considering the naivety of your "movement".

>>14933626
Degenerate schizophrenic

>>14932117
>kill em all
>communism accomplished
>have a stroke and die in a puddle of your own piss
>Your "successors" spend their years in power passing reforms to remove your influence from communism
Mission failed, better luck next time comrades

>>14933814
Based som fan.

>>14936240
Leftism = anti-capitalism
Everyone trying defend, support or even reform capitalism are liberals. Liberalism does have its own left and right, but they’re not Leftism. It’s a simple propaganda trick

>>14931961
Father Sepharims "Nihilism", and about anything by Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn. My take on this phenomenon is that transgenderism is both another step towards identitarianism, as it abolishes gender differences (at least in the minds of its proponents), as well as a step to abolishing social norms, which commies always revolts against for psychological reasons. Communists are on warfoot with reality itself, in particular with society. Look up how misanthropic Rousseau, Marx, and even MKL were (the latter was a rapist).

Understanding communism is only possible psychologically, the theory itself, taken analytically, does not account for half of what they do, and at worst it's incomprehensible. I'd encourage you to read up on neutralization-techniques, when you notice the parallels between how commies argue and how criminals argue, you learn just how little their meticulously constructed ideologies are worth.

>>14933704
>why do you always project your porn addiction on the rest of society?
Typical leftist retort. Please off yourself

>>14936514
Who decided that leftism means anti-capitalism, and again why don't you just say 'socialist' if you're using the word Leftism to mean the same thing as it.

>>14931961
like literally why

whats the point of transitioning to become a male if you're just gonna be a beta faggot

>>14935996
What rightist org?

>>14936681
>you're just gonna be a beta faggot
she just remained a woman. with an incredibly male face and botched flat chest. at least that shows how silly women's posts truly are

>>14936737
incredibly male face? more like a numale basedfag face, at least as a woman she looked decent but now she just has the face of an active shooter

>>14932430
That sounds pretty based. Fuck degenerates they dont deserve rights.

>>14936661
There’s a long history behind it.
Like the Republican red flag

>>14936803
male doesnt mean attractive male. that face is male now matter how you look, despite that disgusting duckface and womanposing you'll never call it a woman's face
i often saw those pics (commie symbol on a cake is photoshopped btw) posted as mtf tranny or regular numale
if she got /fit/ and took pictures like a normal person she's even look like a more of less attractive middle-aged man, but she chose this faggotry instead. literal woman's pics with a man head

>>14936514
So why do leftists embrace all social consequences of capitalism (such as rampant transgenderism) and treat people like Bernie Sanders like Communist comrades when he’s just a liberal that wants to reform the system

>>14936803
quick edit to show what i'm talking about. that face per se is good, but retarded haircuts and even worse expressions are making it look vile

>>14933773
>haven't had a single suicidal thought
Wow you must be the first person in the Western world over 16 for a few decades now that can say this

>>14932054
being gay has nothing to do with being a faggot, retard

>>14936924
> western
you missed by a couple thousand kilometers, im a slav

>>14936966
That only makes even more of a miracle(re: bullshit) that you haven't considered anhero yet

>>14936980
i will one day, but not as soon as op pic, and for unrelated reasons. or maybe i wont.
for now life is great and this year in particular is the best i've had yet, so no heroic thoughts or intentions yet, everything's beautiful and im reading a hundred books a year since 2019 (about 30 in 2018, started in autumn, and 20 so far in 2020)

>>14932376
this might be a controversial opinion, but treating peoples problems with kindness and patience won't be the things that kill them. But I get you wan't to be edgyNPC who hates other people because you need to project your self hatred.

>>14937126
it’s blatantly bullshit to say that transgenders only kill themselves because of discrimination, no other marginalized group has the same proportionate suicide rates that are even close to transgenders, and a lot of them kill themselves even after doing hormones or getting surgery

>>14931961
The Hammer and sickle on the cake is clearly fake
Every retard uses this image, it's not even hard to find pictures of communists looking like shit. come on.
Nobody that is into fringe surface level Ideology is attractive, it is easy to look like shit as any modern person

>>14931961
mental illness and/or fetish

>>14931961
I'll answer with a simple quote by Simone de Beauvoir: “Many boys, frightened by the hard independence they are condemned to, wish they were girls.”

>>14934106
Because he was a mathematician and that's how they write

>>14937126
I never said trannies should be treated like garbage. My point is that society's attempts to placate them with all of the gender nonsense won't change anything; trannies will continue to kill themselves in droves because they are mentally ill.

>>14931961
Communists don't give a fuck about gender identity.

>>14936240
Leftism is an umbrella term for all movements that oppose capitalism and concentrated power. That's the purpose of the term.

>>14936160
>every single major democratic candidate said they were pro open borders
Complete and utter horseshit. Only extreme rightwingers want open borders.

>>14935844
The dark truth is ideologies outside of the accepted mainstream narrative always attract loses and freaks who are ostracized by society. This of course is then made worse by the media pointing to these worst case examples creating the double effect of offputting normal people even more and attracting more and more freaks and losers. The question becomes what then do you do when the current mainstream narrative sucks?

>>14932507
Dude someone needs to pay for my steroid cycle

>>14938122
I always knew the Democrats and progressives were extreme right-wingers. The true left are populist like Trump.

>>14938871
he means ancaps. if you define l/r wrt capitalism then ancaps are indeed the far right

I think it makes more sense to see absolute monarchy as far right but the Marxists will never agree with this I guess

>>14936514
>Leftism = anti-capitalism
Not at all, arguably leftism was and is a mercantile attack on social structures that get in the way of profit and exploitation.

>>14938906
oh my gooodddddddddddddddddddd

fuuccckkkkk

i hate you

>>14938964
Because you have no rebuttal?

>>14938871
>Democrats and progressives
Democrats and progressives don't want open borders, numbnuts. Only extreme rightwingers are in favor of open borders.

>>14938906
You wish, shitlib.

>>14939239
>reading comprehension
the guy is obviously larping as an anti-liberal trad-something or other

>>14939232
Open borders is one of their major talking points, pretty sure most candidates said they wanted to stop enforcing the laws that make borders a thing, to not deport illegals and so on. Bernie himself was in pretty hot water because he called it a Koch proposal in the past but then changed his tune to advocate for it. His argument was that it provided America with cheap labour.

>>14931961
a desperate need for equality (i.e., acceptance, love), regardless of bodily/mental health/degradation
how could anything be more equal than the forced redistribution of wealth?
their deformation is to such an extreme that they feel they need an extreme ideology to get that which they crave

>>14939257
None of that is true. Stop getting your news from /pol/ like a moron. The only people advocating for open borders are Republicans and rightwingers.

>>14939250
I'm a strasserist.

>>14939276
What do you mean not true? I don't frequent /pol/ but I do pay a little bit of attention to the election just for fun. Why do you deny reality so hard? Didn't you watch the dem debates? Do you want me to post a clip of Bernie saying that or something?

>>14939276
You okay dude?

>>14939276
>The only people advocating for open borders are Republicans and rightwingers.
Yeah, and the left and democrats argue for no borders.

>>14939299
You sound confused. What don't you understand?

>>14939301
>the left and democrats argue for no borders
Have you been drinking? Republicans and rightwingers are in favor of eliminating borders.

>>14939327
>caplan
>weinersmith
anyone want to take bets?

>>14939333
They are extreme rightwingers.

>>14939327
OH BOY IT'S THAT ONE AGAIN
I got some highlights from the last thread on this thing, and it's not like this thread is going anywhere special

>>14939338
I like how the players are helping the kids dunk the ball in the last panel. So heartwarming.

>>14939338
this one in particular is really good
as for whether or not the authors are left wing or right wing, I would say they are neoliberals who only believe in the holy GDP

>>14939350

>>14939350
AKA rightwingers.

>>14939359
from a european perspective, certainly
from the perspective of USA parties, both are neoliberal to the extreme, one just pretends to be benevolent

>>14939370

>>14939382
one more after this

>>14939370
>in any case trust is overrated
This can't be real. Can someone edit it to be about Israel having open borders with Palestine

>>14939392
it's all real, read the full thing if you want to be slapping your forehead every other page
as I said, to these fellows, GDP is god, nothing else matters
quality of life? trust? sense of fellowship or belonging? if it doesn't boost the GDP, it needs to go
this is the last capture I made, I hope everyone enjoys the insinuation that brain drain wouldn't occur if high skill labor could easily flee their shithole

>>14939359
Liberals, both the left and the right. Commies tend towards that way of thinking too. If only there was a third position which put the people first and not the GDP.

>>14938047
SocDems do which is why Bernie Kikenburg wants to fund tranny mutilations with public money.

>>14936853
>So why do liberals be all good with stuff that liberalism brings?
...
Because they’re not socialists.

>>14937197
I know right

>>14931961
I know you're trying to meme a generalization but it's not working. Wouldn't be surprised if OP was paid opposition.

>>14939478
Butters, your means of reproduction must be shared with the masses.

>>14939350
Im not even going to bother with the rest of the crap from this guys but talking about a pyramid scheme that needs to forever expand like its a good thing is just disingenuous and insane

>>14939333

>>14931961
>>14931961
I'm unsure why, I suppose it is a reaction to support what is disproved of by those who the progressives (not real Communists) deem to be rightwing.

In reality this enabling of gender ideology is a rejection of what is empirical (biology) in favor of what is emotional and subjective (gender). I don't think communism can succeed if it is anti-rationalist or if the majority of its supporters are mentally ill, enabling mental illness, or degenerates. These people have no place in communism.

Gender affirming treatment is the practice of inducing within the body the illness of the mind. It’s sick to see people claim that the problem with gender, is that science is just not yet advanced enough to make the illness real. Imagine if doctors enabled other illnesses the way they do gender identity disorder. A doctor removing limbs, teeth, and eyes form people suffering from xenomelia because they would feel better without them, giving alcoholics beers because they feel better drunk, or giving someone with mania cocaine. It’s hilarious to think that such things would ever happen but in the case of gender ideology the enabling of the sick and confused is commonplace.

We can't determine reality based on the subjective imaginings of the mind, especially if these imaginings are induced by mental illness. These people have succeeded in destroying the image of collectivists and the working class struggle everywhere.

>>14931995
>it's easy: transgender people are still people so they're entitled to equal human rights and dignity

Comments like these are disingenuous and beyond retarded. Who claimed that trans people aren't people? Who said they aren't entitled to human rights? Who claimed trans people shouldn't be treated with dignity? The answer is no one. These fucking schizophrenics are arguing with imaginary straw men.

>>14939335
Our based friend >>14939333 (Checked) was not referring to what "wing" they belonged to, he was pointing out that, like many advocating for open-borders, the authors belong to an ethnic group known for raping and killing children during one of their holidays and lying about atrocities.

>>14939922
Armenians?

>>14934371
>1. “Man” and “woman” are social categories expressing behavioural differences between the two sexes, not biological differences

Wrong. A "man" and a "women" denoted objective and mensurable genetic differences. Gender is the total sum of all male and all female behavior respectively. Your behavior can't suddenly be not male if you are a male.

> 2. Because this behaviour exists as a bimodal distribution, there will be some individuals who, despite being biologically male/female, will in their behaviour fall so far from the mean of their sex that they can be considered the opposite gender than that which they were assigned. Refer to pic related and swap “height” with “behaviour”.

Also Wrong. There is no evidence for the existence of gender independent from sex in people or anywhere else in the animal kingdom. Behavior can't be Male or Female much in the same way there is no such thing as a male or female height. A man is not then a women for being short or for enjoying typically female enjoyed things. At best you are an emotional man high in openness.

Just say you want to play pretend and imitate a women. You sound crazy and these mental gymnastics aren't healthy for you.

Transsexualism is a product of bourgeois decadence. Nothing more, nothing less.

The base informs the superstructure and - as long as the production of children remains within the domains of heterosexual intercourse - gender identity cannot go against this natural division of labor required for the perpetuation of the species. In this sense, transsexual self-mutilation (i.e. sexual reassignment surgery and hormone treatment for transsexuals) represents an affront to the socialist regime and should be criminalized as such (as was the case historically with some 20th century socialist regimes vis-a-vis abortion and homosexuality).

"We shall, of course, not take the trouble to enlighten our wise philosophers by explaining to them that the “liberation” of man is not advanced a single step by reducing philosophy, theology, substance and all the trash to “self-consciousness” and by liberating man from the domination of these phrases, which have never held him in thrall. Nor will we explain to them that it is only possible to achieve real liberation in the real world and by employing real means, that slavery cannot be abolished without the steam-engine and the mule and spinning-jenny, serfdom cannot be abolished without improved agriculture, and that, in general, people cannot be liberated as long as they are unable to obtain food and drink, housing and clothing in adequate quality and quantity. “Liberation” is an historical and not a mental act, and it is brought about by historical conditions, the development of industry, commerce, agriculture, the conditions of intercourse..."

t. Marx, "The German Ideology"

Lastly, if gender stereotypes are to be abolished, gender identity in itself shall be abolished alongside them in favor of an androgynous proletarian identity, so tough luck - you left-deviationist, Western lunatics.

>>14940203
Sounds like something a fascist would say.

>>14939478
That’s literally what we’ve been saying here. Most self-identified leftists are not leftists, they’re liberals role playing as revolutionary identities

>>14940366
Just maintaining Marxist-Leninist orthodoxy, revisionist anon.

That being said, oh the irony! It is most of you Western leftists who are literal social fascists.

"The principal aim of Fascism is to destroy the revolutionary labour vanguard, i.e., the Communist Sections and leading units of the proletariat. The combination of social democracy, corruption and active white terror, in conjunction with extreme imperialist aggression in the sphere of foreign politics, are the characteristic features of Fascism. In periods of acute crisis for the bourgeoisie, Fascism resorts to anti-capitalist phraseology, but, after it has established itself at the helm of State, it casts aside its anti-capitalist prattle and discloses itself as a terrorist dictatorship of big capital.

The bourgeoisie resorts either to the method of Fascism or to the method of coalition with social democracy according to the changes in the political situation; while social democracy itself, often plays a Fascist role in periods when the situation is critical for capitalism.

In the process of development social democracy reveals Fascist tendencies which, however, do not prevent it, in other political situations, from acting as a sort of Fronde against the bourgeois government in the capacity of an opposition party. The Fascist method and the method of coalition with social democracy, are not the methods usually employed in “normal” capitalist conditions; they are the symptoms of the general capitalist crisis, and are employed by the bourgeoisie in order to stem the advance of the revolution."

t. The Programme of the Communist International. Comintern Sixth Congress 1929

>>14940203
It would be impossible to have a truly genderless androgynous society because our sexual roles are innately part of our human nature no matter how hard libs try to cope with it. 21st century gender spectrum experimentation is doomed to failure and the generation of transgender children being pimped out by progressive parents will end in utter disaster

>>14940420
And I fully agree with you since I do not subscribe to the concept of gender identity as it has been formulated by modern leftists. From a historical materialist perspective, if 'gender' is to perish, it shall perish naturally in time in a similar fashion to nationality as to accommodate the changes of the economic base at the level of the superstructure. Identity politics are a sham and a means through which to propagate false consciousness by replacing the class struggle with an ever widening range of identitarian squabbles.

There is no 'gender', only the sexes and their innate biological traits and predispositions. Sexual dimorphism is a fact of nature and it would only manifest itself even more pronounced under a socialist regime under which inequalities of opportunity have been removed.

>>14932418
100% based