/lit/ - Literature

>>14925038
Yes it is based

>>14925038
I refuse to read a work that is contemporary but (in part) older than me

Oh boy another accfag thread who could be behind this?

>>14925038
meh
i've tried it
it felt like Dialectic of Enlightmen all over again
dropped it after a few chapters

Fanged Noumena is better but it's a fun read

>>14925038
Truly the 女神転生 of theory fiction

>>14925038
I read it.

I really like the numogram, pandemonium, and the book of paths.

>>14925052
Not old enough to be historical, just old enough to be outdated.

>>14925038
Lemurian Time War Is Genjo Koan

>>14925587

>>14925038
Yeah iz breddy gud

I think its at its strongest when it talks speculatively about things like Y2K being so much more than just a computational error, or about Burroughs being a guerilla time agent waging war against the AOE. As with any of this kind of stuff, its best not to take it too seriously, and just enjoy the campiness of it all.

I'm reading it right now and it makes me feel like a brainlet . . .

>>14926418
thats because it was written by pseudos on LSD

>>14925754
>>14926803

the dimwit

>>14925038
What's the deal with the CCRU? Is there a chart/list of all their work? Have they actually researched anything?

>>14926862
They produced groundbreaking research on hypnotism, specifically the subliminal regulation of testosterone levels in the textual medium.

>>14926862
>>14926875
forgot pic

>>14926881
very funny but that would explain g/acc

>>14926881
Based.

>>14926881
you have ugly legs, Nyx

>>14926846
What a redundant post

>>14925038
Sperg-tastic book, truly

>>14928311
Why are people obsessed with it if that's all it is though?

>>14929385
because they can not read good literature

>>14929388
and you "can not" use correct grammar.

>>14929388
I just finished it literally 2 minutes ago and it thoroughly filtered me aswell, but I still feel like there's something to it

>>14929385
>>14929408
The concept of hyperstition is unique in that it basically anticipates what we know as "meme magic" today, which is why it has a lot of appeal, especially for those who spend far too much time on the internet indulging their apophenia. The combination of pseduo-esoterism and speculative theory makes it appealing to people who are looking to rationalise their mental illness.

>Someone calling you crazy on the internet? Don't worry, they're just part of a highly secret organisation trying to delegitimise you as a schizophrenic, precisely because your paranoiac ramblings might actually unearth something true...

As for those who aren't deranged, its just a bit of silly, campy, sci-fi fun. It's a lot more rewarding if you treat it like creative fiction than a serious work of philosophy.

>>14929446
Not really sure what's unique about saying the fictions in people's heads affect reality. Regardless, I appreciate the reply. makes me feel less dumb, which is always nice

>>14929625
>Not really sure what's unique about saying the fictions in people's heads affect reality
this is a misunderstanding of hyperstitional objects, I think. The point is not that these are fictions that we imagine and then magically spring to life, that is lego movie-tier logic. These are fictions that make themselves real, IE. fictions with their own agency, entirely independent of the minds in which they reside.

We have no control over how a virus (for example) operates as a media object in the public sphere: it causes panic buying, bank runs, economic crashes, job losses, and emergency rooms packed out with people who likely only have psychosomatic symptoms and are, in reality, infection-free. The hysteria over the virus being the end of humanity creates the conditions by which the virus can actually become this huge, apocalyptic event– the more we panic and act irrationally in anticipation of it, the greater the risk of making the death rate even higher.

>>14929719
I mean I get that they're otherworldly entities, I don't understand is how this is a unique observation. Maybe the emphasis on the contagious nature is, but the rest just seems like a spook to me. Some communally held set of ideas is essentially made real by the actions of individuals in service of the spook.

>>14929926
if a hyperstition remains a spook it was never really a hyperstition

>>14929959
Okay, so you're saying if tons of people die from covid19 (for whatever set of reasons) as expected it is a hyperstition, but if the result that the pandemic does not reach or exceed expected levels of destruction (regardless of how its presence directs human behavior) it's just a spook?

>>14930000
not that anon so idk quite how covid plays into this. the distinction between a hyperstition and a superstition is that a hyperstition makes itself real, it leaves the realm of spooks

>>14930000
Nice digits.

Not him but the thing about hyperstitional objects is that they never become "fully" realised, they are only more or less real depending on the hysteria or hype that envelops them.

What that means in relation to the virus is that the more the hysteria contributes to the death rate, the more the virus (as a media object of unbridled chaos) becomes realised. The actual objective harm that the virus is capable of has no bearing on the process of realising the hyperstitional virus through media and mass communication.

A spook is more like a predetermined or unconsidered assumption that dictates how we behave in reality, a hangup from the past. A hyperstition, on the other hand, intrudes from the future and assembles itself from the materials of the present. Up until the anticipatory panic set in, it didn't actually exist.

>>14930063
>the hysteria contributes to the death rate
complacency and nativity are causing death rates, not hysteria. the hysterical people are the ones self-quarantining...

>gabbidull zo bad id gud
Fuck off with this pseud shit

>>14930039
So if it happens it confirms the theory. And if it doesn't happen then it's not really part of the theory and so confirms the theory also.
Great philosophy you got there.

>>14930126
what do you mean? this has a totally material basis. if it becomes real it is hypersitional, if it doesn't it doesn't. If ice freezes it is frozen, if it doesn't it isn't. what weight does this hold?
>then water reaches a certain temperature it freezes
>wow so if ice freezes it confirms your theory. And if ice doesn't freeze it isn't a part of the theory of freezing and so confirms the theory also

>>14930082
>panic buying may result in vulnerable people starving as we go further unto lockdown
>biggest economic depression in history, job losses, spiralling depression, suicide
>initial symptoms are so commonplace and widespread, it drives people into the hospital suffering from a psychosomatic response– not only taking up the time, staff and resources, but also likely increasing their exposure to the infection
>potential tinderbox of rioting, looting and violence

It's important to understand that hyperstitional practise is always speculative, and does not deal in absolutes, only different scales of potentials. Maybe my claim about the death rate was a little too specific and misleading, I will admit.

However I disagree that it is the hysterical ones who are self-isolating, the hysterics are out fighting over the last few scraps of toilet paper, likely contributing to the spread of the disease. The self-isolated are more like rationalist survivalists, calculating every eventuality and prepping accordingly.

>>14930112
This isn't the /acc/ general. CCRU has nothing to do with the "gottagofast" philosophy of Nick's later works. Read a book nigger

>>14930063
That makes a lot of sense, but can't spooks intrude from the future as well? Like if I went to church more frequently as I got older because the hysteria of the fear of going to hell increases as my death approaches?

>>14930039
I guess part of my issue is I'm not sure what making itself real means. Is it directing actions, acquiring a physical form etc?

>>14930191
The fear of hell isn't arriving from the future just because it may/may not be awaiting for you after death, it is an antiquated mechanism of control from the past. Though, that said, hyperstitional objects can also be carried between past and present too (read the CCRU piece about the burroughs and the ghost lemurs of madagascar). But for the object to undergo a process of realisation, it has to be the fear/anticipation of the object that creates the very object you are afraid of in the first place. Hell is a spook because it already exists, in scripture and in sermons. It doesn't make itself real because its already being mediated by a preacher or priest.

>>14930165
Retard

>>14930232
Sure, I'll read it again.
So it's about unintentionally causing the bad end by trying to prevent it? That is the process of creation is the hyperstition , so anything spends very little if any time as a hyperstition

>>14930191
acquiring a physical form, superstitions may direct actions but they are not real
>>14930263
gottem

>>14930563
Actually both hyperstitions and superstitions are real, the distinction is between virtual and actual. Hyperstitions transition from virtual reality into the actual reality.

>>14930575
does anyone have an example of that transition?

>>14930603
AI

>>14930650
I can't tell if this is a joke, but asooming it's not does that imply airplanes, microwaves, and sliced bread made that same transition? or is there something special about machine intelligence?

>>14925038
How do you people read shit like this without wanting to blow your brains out?

How is it fun?

Read some Flaubert instead ffs.

>>14930603
Zizek has a joke that is quite relevant (even if you hate him, as many people do, hear me out). One of his scientist friends has a horseshoe over his doorway for good luck. Zizek asks him: "Why would you, as a staunch rationalist and skeptic, have such a superstitious object?"

His friend replies: "Because, I was told that it works, even if you DON'T believe in it!"

It's not a "real" demonstration of a hyperstition being actualised per se, but it does communicate the idea that objects have a depth of agency far beyond the significances we impose on them from the outside. They continue to function, in full disregard of our non-belief in their effects.

>>14930720
>Madame Bovary
>"fun"
dis nigga srs

>>14930688
Airplanes, yes. Microwaves, not sure. Idk much about their history and place in the collective unconsious. I don't think we would have any way to know if bread was a hyperstitious object but I would guess not. Airplanes are a good example, we have been imagining flying machines for thousands of years. Their existence as a virtual object in our unconscious directed us as we brought them into existence. I haven't really read the book though I just watched the video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcj9FFYXXMI

>>14930792
>we have been imagining flying machines for thousands of years.
also, is it any coincidence that planes rely on imaginary numbers to keep themselves in the air? Checkmate atheists.

>>14930792
That clears most of it up, thanks

>>14930792
>Capital refutes itself in a single attempt to appear masculine
Is collective dilation the ultimate hyperstition?

>>14925038
sorry no, I am a heterosexual

>>14931306