/lit/ - Literature

>>14916839
He got fucked by contrapoints, probably.

If he was man enough to push past any resistance yeah, definitely. Most people here, if they look close to normal and average could probably fuck her. Traps are easy.

>>14916895

Traps are gay and contrapoints is an ugly buckfaced dude

>>14916839
>white """"""""men""""""""
/pol/ would claim that this is the master race

>>14916839
How many filters were applied to this photo?

>>14916923
All of them

>>14916839
Why do ALL trannies and ALL faggots adopt that same sassy, sexually-predatory yas queen milf persona and manner of speech? The goal should be to be less repulsive, not more, right?

>>14916949
They don’t care that’s the point

>>14916923
At this point it is more filter than photo

>>14916949

1) Ironically relating to tropes is funny.

2) Contra came out as lesbian you dumb motherfuckers, this is a friendly outing.

Spastic motherfuckers in this thread.

>>14916839
Contrapoints just did a big video on how he's an autogynephile -- a straight dude who fetishes being a woman and is strictly attracted to women.

>>14916991
>2) Contra came out as lesbian you dumb motherfuckers, this is a friendly outing.

So then he's just an autogenophyle.

>>14916991
>lesbian
>has a penis

Ok retard

>>14916949
They're still essentially male and have can't be convincingly female because femininity through body-language and speech is a combination of many subtleties.

>>14916996
*had

>>14916991
>Assuming I'm updated on some trannie's preferrences

>>14916999
Can a Eunuch be a lesbian? How is their sexuality described?

>>14916994
Auotgynephilia as a category is philosophically embarrassing and untenable. It withstands no scrutiny whatsoever. Have fun feeling self certain without undergoing the labor of thought and being condemned to walking around with trash like that clunking around in your head.

>>14916996

Biological/scientific classification is pragmatism and crumbles if one attempts to be rigorous with the application of these categories and cannot establish within its bounds the essences you wish it would. The only viable way of discoursing about gender is in the terms of selfhood and here phenomenology holds sway. Gender is a form of self relation and lived identity. Sorry but the left simply thinks more critically and deeply than you do. Have fun running on autopilot with what mommy and daddy told you.

>>14917006
Better than having unsubstantiated hot takes in a 4chan thread and shaping your worldview through errant uninformed echo chambers.

>>14917020
>The only viable way of discoursing about gender is in the terms of selfhood and here phenomenology holds sway.
We could also consider it sociologically, which would forego the need to employ phenomenology.

>>14917020
>Gender is a form of self relation and lived identity
Gender is a nebulous term that either doesn't actually mean anything or is used to say something else for which we already have useful terms. "Woman" in your world has no actual meaning. What woman actually means is adult human female.

>>14917020
>The only viable way of discoursing about gender is in the terms of selfhood and here phenomenology holds sway
>my concept doesn't make any actual sense so I'll try to justify with my fee-fees

>>14917037
One can consider it sociologically, but phenomenology places at the ground floor of phenomena such as gender, insofar as it takes a look directly at the referent (the human self and the lived experience of having a gender and relating to ones-self and ones world as a gendered self.) When asking questions or attempting to understand gender or gender identities, we are asking "who is this person?" "who am I?" "what is it like to be this way?" "how does this notion inform the way I relate to my world?"as a gendered subject.

>>14917039

Gender is not an object one can point to with their fingers or measure with scientific instruments. It is the lived experience of a gendered self relating to themselves as such. It is as complex as a person is, insofar as we are seeking to actually approach understanding something like gender, the "useful" (to whom? for what purpose?) You are conflating a bodily classification (and a highly tenuous one at that) with the actual substance we aim to ascertain when we investigate the notion of gender (once again, a form of self relation which is operant within the lived experience of the gendered subject.) Handwaving this issue just means you simply don't want to think or ask questions and would prefer the comfort and certainty that comes with arriving to conclusions and dogmatically wielding them at your whim, which is anti-philosophical (sophistry.)

>>14917041
You don't understand my concepts and instead of asking questions and risking being wrong or actually having to put forward a position to defend you dismiss it. I think you are the one protecting your fee fees.

>>14916839
That fucking faggot literally made a video where he admits that he fucks trannies
Why are leftoids so fucking subhuman?

*ahem*
TRANNY TRANNY IS MANNY
WITH A ROTTEN NEOFANNY

>>14917081
>It is the lived experience of a gendered self relating to themselves as such
Gender is the experience of someone with a gender relating to themselves as a gender person. Nice. As meaningful as the trinity, but far more circular. Can you give a definition that isn't recursive, you dolt?
>You are conflating a bodily classification (and a highly tenuous one at that)
Sex categories when adequately defined hold true for around 99.982% of the population. If this is tenuous, every classification or definition ever is tenuous.

>>14917170
>That fucking faggot literally made a video where he admits that he fucks trannies
Based as fuck.
>Why are leftoids so fucking subhuman?
Post this on your social media coward. Oh right, you're a coward. How does it feel to live a double life where you don't dare express?

>>14917020
>Biological/scientific classification is pragmatism and crumbles if one attempts to be rigorous with the application of these categories and cannot establish within its bounds the essences you wish it would.
Say what? There is XX, XY, and a small percentage of mutant "other".

>The only viable way of discoursing about gender is in the terms of selfhood and here phenomenology holds sway.
The fuck?

>Gender is a form of self relation and lived identity.
'Gender' is a linguistic notion. No relation to the DNA reality of sex.

>Sorry but the left simply thinks more critically and deeply than you do.
Who said anything about politics?

RESEARCH JOHN MONEY
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Money
>He was one of the first researchers to publish theories on the influence of societal constructs of "gender" on individual formation of gender identity. Money introduced the terms gender identity, gender role and sexual orientation
>In 1966, a botched circumcision left eight-month-old Reimer without a penis. Money persuaded the baby's parents that sex reassignment surgery would be in Reimer's best interest. At the age of 22 months, Reimer underwent an orchiectomy, in which his testicles were surgically removed. He was reassigned to be raised as female and given the name Brenda. Money further recommended hormone treatment, to which the parents agreed. Money then recommended a surgical procedure to create an artificial vagina, which the parents refused. Money published a number of papers reporting the reassignment as successful.

During subsequent appointments with Reimer and Reimer's twin brother Brian, Money forced the two to rehearse sexual acts, with David playing the bottom role as his brother "[pressed] his crotch against" David's buttocks. Money also forced the two children to strip for "genital inspections", occasionally taking photos. Money justified these acts by claiming that "childhood 'sexual rehearsal play'" was important for a "healthy adult gender identity".
>Both brothers committed suicide
THIS IS WHO TRANNIES BASE THEIR "THEORIES" ON.
THE WHOLE THING HAS BEEN EVIL FROM THE BEGINNING

>>14917199
>Post this on your social media coward. Oh right, you're a coward. How does it feel to live a double life where you don't dare express?
I'm really sorry that you live in a bubble where if you don't prostrate yourself in front of trannies you're not accepted but the vast majority of people don't like trannies, they don't want to fuck them, they think they're freaks and at best they pity them.

>>14917199
Not being a faggot who fucks trannies = being a sane, good human being
>Oh right, you're a coward
Dont worry faggot chapotranny, at least one of the faggots in OP will blow their deranged brains out, I suggest you do the same

>>14917209
>chapotranny
Nice try, libshit.

>>14917179
If you made an effort to try to fill out the content of said statement or took a look at your own life and examined the way in which your sense of selfhood is shaped by your sense of your own gender and its intersections with how you traverse and experience the world then I think you would find it is adequate. And a concept must be grounded in itself or else it is grounded in something else which would have to be grounded in itself, at which point we would seek there. Otherwise we would be in an infinite regress. Gender as a form of lived experience is the groundfloor or place in which we can actually make sense of the notion.

You are conflating sex and gender.

Man is a featherless biped. Behold a plucked chicken.Scientific classification IS tenuous. Have you ever actually looked into how things are classified scientifically? It's a mess. The most we can ever say is that classifications are useful for certain purposes. They fall outside of knowledge claims, they contradict themselves constantly, and the lines are drawn arbitrarily without reasons beyond "this line is useful for some purpose." Furthermore, I'd say that what you are claiming is useful is decidedly not useful if you plan on actually developing philosophically instead of just giving up on thinking so you can coast along comfortably, while being actually demonstrably wrong in your formulations. This isn't to say classification or terms which operate in a general way lacking specification aren't important or useful (vital even at times) but science is literally incapable of accessing the subject matter of gender and more philosophically robust and directly relevant means of discourse are readily available. Unless all you want to do is treat people badly on indefensible grounds then I see no reason to proceed with your path.

>>14917209
You have a lot to learn from Chapo Trap House.

>>14917239
Holy fuck, I love it when I'm spot-on every time
Unironically though, you should hang yourself, you're a burden to your family.
Also, no-one takes you seriously, that's why you're confined to your reddit echo-chambers with the other trannies and faggots circlejerking about your old Jew of a candidate.

>>14917201
You can have people with a functioning penis, testicles, and generally male physiognomy who can reproduce who possess XX chromosomes. The inverse case as well exists. And the physical correlates which are used to designate males and females have shifted historically. (People have been called male or female for thousands of years without any knowledge of chromosomes.) Again, the scientific classification is arbitrary, the terms were employed long before the means by which we currently classify were present, and the more features are included in the classification the more contradictions and exceptions emerge. XX and XY as biological classifications are merely useful. Contemplate further how it would have even came to be that XX and XY chromosomes as a basis for male or female categorization would have emerged historically. (Already possessing notions of male or female with associated physical traits, scientific examination of bodily structures/chemistry etc narrowing differential factors until the most consistent distinction is found, after the fact claiming that this essentially differentiates male and female specimens, thus divorcing everything we originally had in mind when we set out looking for a basis for sex difference in the first place, revealing something which has nothing to do with how we actually had been going around dealing/coping with apparent sexuation and arriving at something completely foreign to everything that had hitherto been meaningfully viewed as male or female.)

Linguistics are within the parameters of lived experience and the experiences who thinks and speaks and lives in a world mediated by language. Phenomenology/philosophy is more primordial.

>>14917268
Dilate.

>>14917279
uh, nice try?

>>14917280
You will never pass, sicko.

>>14916839
Definitely looks more feminine than I remember. Did they have a jaw reduction?

>>14917282
You do realise I'm the one attacking the trannies?

>>14917275
>You can have people with a functioning penis, testicles, and generally male physiognomy who can reproduce who possess XX chromosomes. The inverse case as well exists
What percentage of the time?

>>14917241
What evidence would it take for you to concede your argument?

>>14917287
>>14917289
Imagine entertaining sick tranny fucks and their irrational delusions.
Literally don't even bother, they'll off themselves anyway

>>14917286
Because you hate yourself? I'm happy to join in.

is that the philosophy tube guy?

>>14917291
>Imagine entertaining sick tranny fucks
You dick is in your hand right now isn't it? Did you stock up on lube before the apocalypse? I bet you did, you silly coomer you!

>>14917295
>>14917309
>MOM LOOK AT MY PRETTY PUSSY!! IM A REAL GIRL NOW!!!!!

>>14917287
1:20,000 It doesn't matter though, if the category is absolute then a single exception breaks it. If the category is a generalization or summary of a tendency, then it holds in a provisional (pragmatic) way, but we are only ever employing it out of its usefulness for certain purposes (medical treatment that interacted with the body on a chromosomal basis seems like an obvious use here.) But since chromosomes don't provide us with an essential truth concerning the subject and it is demonstrable that it is irrelevant as a guide to treatment of others in other domains (how we acknowledge gender identity) then we have no reason to depend upon it or use it within those domains.

Also I was mistaken, XX Males and XY females are infertile. Nonetheless their genitals and overall physiognomy may still be otherwise normal.

>>14917320
On the other hand having a dick hasn't been enough for you guys to count as real men.

>>14917202
Wish more people knew this. The whole "Gender is different to biological sex" thing came from this demented pedophile and feminist academics picked it up and ran with it. It's been cited so much that now it's accepted as a given but Money's theory has never been proven. He's literally this generations Freud in terms of popularizing an idea that is clearly complete and utter bullshit.

>>14917289
It would have to be demonstrated that gender is not a phenomenon which is imminent to the lifeworld. But all philosophical claims are based within the lifeworld (are phenomenological in essence) or in other words are explications and elaborations of selfhood. The self here being the 'who' whom relates to their experience of themselves and the world. It is literally impossible to get around this.

>>14917291
I'm heterosexual and am comfortable with my male gender identity and have a penis and testicles. You don't have to be transgendered to see the philosophical high ground they stand on when it comes to these issues.

All trannies must fucking hang.

>>14917028
You sound like a loser

Any good phenomenology texts to cut my teeth on?

>>14917334
ad hominem
genetic fallacy

If you wish to refute the idea you must actually demonstrate its incoherence or incorrectness. Also, assuming that Money presents the definitive arguments trans people utilize is likely not the case, an enormous amount of discourse surronding this subject has taken place in the last 50 years. Not saying what happened to those children isn't ghastly or reprehensible either.

Friendly reminder that phenomenology is a secularist nonsense and has been proactively BTFOed by Guenon (pbuh)

>>14916839
I wish to have sex with contrapoints

>>14917330
ooooh, ouch, burn.
Fuck off tranny, you're a subhuman.
I think I can hear a noose calling you.
>>14917334
It's fucking infuriating
>>14917343
Really?
I've never seen a convincing argument as to how gender can be entirely divorced from sex.
Do you think it's a universal cultural coincidence that all throughout human (and all animals in fact), history, males have fallen into certain roles, and females into others.
How about a little critical thinking?
Males develop a male "gender identity" because that is what their bodies have developed for.
The male role is to be the hunter, protector, fighter, etc. and the male body is perfectly suited for this.
The female role is to be the mother, carer, nurturer, etc. and the female body is perfectly suited for this.
Even if gender and sex are two separate things, it doesn't necessarily mean that they can be legitimately separated.
They developed for a reason, and from a cause. Fetishes can't out-argue this.
>>14917356
If a person who presents an argument has a vested interest in that argument being correct, then it is suspicious.
He was a pedophile who wanted an excuse to live out his sick fetishes, and so tried to legitimise it through academic intellectual masturbation.
He didn't present a mathematical or scientific argument that can be separated from his fetishes and pedophilia. His argument is directly a product of a sick mind.
So no, it is not one of your reddit "fallacies" to point this out.

>>14917322
>if the category is absolute
It isn't, obviously.

>If the category is a generalization or summary of a tendency, then it holds in a provisional (pragmatic) way
The vast majority of people are born with XX or XY sex chromosomes. Those with "other" are... other.

>but we are only ever employing it out of its usefulness for certain purposes (medical treatment that interacted with the body on a chromosomal basis seems like an obvious use here.)
What do you mean here?

>But since chromosomes don't provide us with an essential truth concerning the subject and it is demonstrable that it is irrelevant as a guide to treatment of others in other domains (how we acknowledge gender identity) then we have no reason to depend upon it or use it within those domains.
You lost me here. Sounds like you are bullshiting.

>>14917351
Maurice Merleau Ponty or Martin Heidegger. Also just listening to lectures on phenomenology and watching video essays on youtube is a great start.
Just keep in mind whenever you think something or believe something it is from the standpoint of you being there thinking and believing it, and whenever somebody else says or argues for something, they are literally another self expressing what it is like to be them and how they are relating to their lived experience. Philosophy is people, and people are philosophy. Bear this in mind and the lifeworld will open up for you your ability to think it.

>>14917351
You don't, it's a self refuting relativism dressed in a very bad poetic language. Read Introduction to Hindu Doctrines.

>>14917375
Thank you. I always like having my perception challanged and even changed.
>>14917378
I'm gonna give it a shot.

>>14917204
>>14917209
seethe more sweaty

>>14917371
Some males develop a female gender identity and some females develop male ones. Therefore gender identity and physiognomy aren't absolutely linked. Physiognomy and biological circumstance can be safely included in the broader set of 'facticity.' Facticity here being the manifold of various circumstances/situations/experiences/externalities which impinge upon and shape our lived experience. It is fine to note correlations between biological/physiological correlations between sex and gender, but the absolute linkage is flat out false. And part of facticity is sociocultural/religious/economic/normative/legalistc/educational etc etc ad infinitum.

Also there is a wide variability in personality dispositions and physical qualities within each sex. Some men are physically weak and some women are physically strong. Some men are very empathic and some women are sociopathic. Designating roles strictly based on genital configurations is foolish. Not all men are fighters. Not all women are caretakers. Human soceities have empirically manifested a broad array of differing roles and relations with respect to sexuation. There is no need to simplify our thinking about roles/preferences/etc to the physiological alone.

Any I pointed out those fallacies appropriately and correctly. It's not reddit shit. It is just actually what you did.

>>14917374
Classification in these terms is not something we do out of true and absolute correspondence with the way the world is in itself, it is something we do to accomplish certain tasks and derive a feeling of certainty with respect to certain questions. If we aren't ever accessing stone cold facts about the way things really are, we are only ever discoursing about how our lived experience is for ourselves and negotiating practices and procedures for certain aims. Science is a social activity for achieving ends. It is not providing us with the truth about reality in itself. This means that we should be looking instead at what purposes and actions are manifesting from the practice. Here the reduction of gender to sex seems only to be needlessly oppressive and to disenfranchise people whose genders do not correspond with their genital configuration/physiologcial circumstance.

>>14917419
>words words words
Dilate.

>>14917378
Philosophy is the opposite of relativism. It is the demonstration of the logos (rationality) active in any claim to knowledge. This demonstration is always the thinking of a subject and the thinking of the subject is always a claim of lived experience as the thinking and experiencing of the subject are one and the same. Guenon and vedanta are as beholden to this as any other. Them having written or having spoken their claims is a demonstrating of the movement of rationality/the logos/the self and is subjected to its own intelligibility as such. Phenomenology proper is not different from this. Philosophy is a who, not a what.

>>14917384
Cheers friend. If all this effort succeeds in shifting the path of a single person or results in any one person here being more kind to trans people then it will have been worth it.

>>14917431
Or you could charitably engage with the ideas (actually think) Just a suggestion.

>>14917419

The issue isn't the facticity of what gender is or isn't. If Trannies were actually heideggerian, they wouldn't need to distinguish themselves as a particular gender or not, they wouldn't need to actually shift their biological physiognomy to cater to their idealised image of themselves in their minds.

The real issue isn't just dudes dressing how they feel like or "expressing their inner gender". The issue is taking fucked up kids and making them even more fucked up by blocking their puberty etc. There definitely exist fallacies in the binary understandings of gender, but these fallacies are actually still presupposed in any actions of "reassignment". If these trannies are simply Being-in-world, why do they feel the need to cut off their dicks?

My basic point is that you can't reduce human life the two genders, nor can you reduce the urge to become other to either emerging from a positive or negative mindset. If gender reassignment becomes this socially accepted form of treatment for dysphoria, then you're going to see some fucked up people getting even more fucked up.

>>14916839
Who's the pretty bird?

>>14917279
Retard.

>>14917470
What's the probability you have something new to say, braindead tranny? Here's my suggestion, stop trying to nudge /lit/ into pandering to your repulsive group and go hang out where you belong: reddit, twitter or tumblr.

>>14916991
i dont follow your e-pseuds bro. ive seen enough to know they're braindead status quo cucks.

>>14917020
No it doesn't. Gender is a word and as discardable as anything else (though I think it's useful) and it was always defined socially.

>>14917020
Autogynephilia is a very real phenomenon, just look at /lgbt/ or any tranny subreddit

>>14916991
Don't try, buddy. People who want to hate will not be persuaded by logic... or common decency.
>How is this related to literature for crying out loud.

>>14917849
>logic
>trannies

>>14916839
>when a tranny is more masculine than you

>>14916839
The dude looks exactly like contrapoints pre tranny stage.... bizarre lolamirite

>>14917849
>logic
> common decency.
These things are contradictory. The latter is pure ideology, no matter how many times you post it.

>>14917268
>pizzashill
Lmfao baste