/lit/ - Literature

>>14857046
Check out right wing Dharma squads.

>>14857086
They have some interesting stuff but the traditions still very pacifistic. Like what's wrong with imperialism or conquering land.

I don't see what's your problem with it. Do you want buddhism to start a war or something like that?

>>14857179
I've just been listening to them out of interest, not the best cup of tea. I only really like vajrayana/Tantra.

>>14857199

>>14857291
Same, I wish their was a modern day European religion that was warrior like. I appreciate the non-dual nature of buddhism too.

>>14857319
>>14857291
>>14857046
>>14857305
You guys sound like 12

>>14857346
Imagine not wanting a religion that's strong and theologically believes it's to defend yourself or that war is sometimes necessary.

>>14857319
Yes, advaita vedanta is comfy. I've been reading this non-dual meditation book that's been spread around here lately. It's been enjoyable read before my nightly meditation.
I feel as if the the last breath of the indo-Aryan tradition is being conserved (somewhat) in the east and in a few disparate individuals in the west.
The cyclical time theory grows on me more and more everyday.

>>14857179
All empire is the accumulation of dust before a wind.

However, there absolutely is a hunger for masculinity in young men today. I would say both genders have become warped shadows. Men today have an intense thirst for the Martian spirit. They are atrophied. Move beyond the masculine and feminine spirits and see what is both beyond them, and is their union. Seek completion.

As for the Buddhists, they are not concerned with fighting wars because it has nothing to do with their goal, and they know it is even antithetical to it. They do not seek empire or to conquer, because why would they? Enlightenment is in the other direction. They don't care about more land and more money, it is all incomplete in the end. Only nirvana is complete.

>>14857439
The cyclic time theory is not found in the vedas though and only the puranas

>>14857046
Don't think you can combine the two. Radical ahimsa and pacifism is too ingrained in Buddhism.

ofc ahimsa isn't bad in itself because you shouldn't confuse ahimsa for the sake of spiritual growth and the breaking of ahimsa precepts in the name of secular action. So hunting is not conducive to spiritual growth but it is conducive to filling your belly/freezer. Going to war is not conducive to nibbana but it is conducive to expanding/defending your realm. This isn't really a problem since anyone who would have to justify himself defending his family from a robber for example in spiritual terms is clearly a fucking loser and is completely drowning in abstractions.

But the Buddha went a lot further than this though, he expounded straight up pacifism and hard line rigid morality for his followers. All spiritual systems have advocated morality but Buddhism is wholly world denying and it has lead to the creation of castes that are essentially lower than the untouchables in India. Just because the society necessarily demands there to be butchers, tanners and hunters etc. A religion is faulty if it forces a certain subsection of your own populace to completely destroy themselves spiritually for eons to come just so the rest can live. Buddhism doesn't square up with the reality of the lived human experience, and as such it must be rejected. Even Jainism is not as bad as Buddhism for the laypeople, at least Jainism developed different workable paths for its ascetics and laymen. But Buddhism demands the same ascetic vows for its laypeople as it do for the monks, only fewer.

But you're welcome to try. An authentic right-wing traditionalism that also believes that you'll be heading towards hell for going fishing with your grandpa? Let me know how it goes.

>>14857046
Read Evola, lazy kid

>>14857858
Lol Evola only gets you so far retard, the guy is a good starting point to introduce illiberal ideas in the modern world

>>14857841
Do you follow any theology or philosophy? Kinda curious

>buddhism
>pacifistic
Pacifism is encouraged, in the same way not eating meat is encouraged. Men are fallible, you're not a bad person for not being perfect (as is encouraged in Abrahamism).

The problem is that you're taking this as if it's just Christianity-But-India. It's not. Buddhist monks have been INCREDIBLY violent throughout history. Tibet was - and still technically is - run by militant feudal warrior-monks. Japan has a long history of Buddhist militancy. Buddhism is actively defending itself against Islamic Jihad, whereas Christianity is not. Buddhism has just as long, and as complicated, a philosophical history as the West, and many Buddhists have advocated for what is essentially spiritual utilitarianism (wherein causing suffering to lessen suffering is permissible), which is essentially the gist of the Vajrayana political tradition (or rather, the Gedimu political tradition).

The Buddha laid out a program for the reduction of suffering, with the hopeful elimination of it. The world isn't perfect, and failing to uphold yourself to a rigid perfectionism is expected. The entire point of being a monk is to free yourself from the attachments that would keep you from adhering to that perfectionism. Don't want that? Don't be a monk, most Buddhists would say that there's absolutely nothing wrong with that in the slightest. Pacficism is encouraged for the laity, not required.

>>14857179
>what's wrong with imperialism or conquering land
literally nothing. all pacifists and anti-imperialists are cowards at their core

was about to make a very long post but i realized most people in this thread are 16 year old max
please read more, drink your milk, and shut the fuck up you tools

>>14857980
Problem with most of this is that, yes they are permissible since men are fallible but this argument really only works for accidental(in the aristotelian sense) breakage of the precepts. This can not be justified in Buddhism for the actual lifelong breaker of the precepts, such as warrior or hunters. Which is why even in Japan, the warrior saints of the nation are often believed to actually be in hell right now. Tibetan kings had to lie about the people they had in their dungeons being mere holograms.

>>14857046
Because it, and Daoism is an extension of indo-Iranian/ect. cosmology and among its richest fruits

>>14857397
You don't know war, you know videogames and capeshit movies pew pew pew, then you disguise that childish shit with greek marble sculptures, edgy quotes and christian symbolism

if you don't understand the 'goal' of buddhism (which you don't), there isn't any point in wasting your time

>>14857439
Post book

>>14858115
Yeah the goal of Buddhism is nibbana. Which is why the Buddha dun goofed when he opened it up to laypeople. A lot of the Greek philosophical schools would have been pretty stupid too if they had been transformed into religions intent on converting entire populations.

>>14858076
And?

That's the way Buddhism is, my dude. You can't both end suffering and want to cause suffering (barring mental gymnastics). If you're looking for a religion that encourages you to be a warrior king, go join those Rodnverists (Rodnoveriers?) in Russia or whatever, ethnopaganism is the only thing that will encourage such a goal.

>>14858150
It's History of Non-Dual meditation methods.
It's decent and Comfy.
Free PDF can be found easily.

You don't need to be a buddhist to achieve spiritual enlightenment.

Just smoke way too much dope in one sitting while suicidally depressed and, if you're cognizant enough to notice your maladaptive thought patterns and ego fixations, you'll be able to grab your kike ego by the nose and assert dominance.

Pic related, the second quote specifically. The meaning will be clear once you achieve christ-consciousness.

>inb4 gnostic heretic name calling.

I'm only reporting what seems to be true based off mylived experience. There's no "spiritiual checklist," you need to fulfill to achieve enlightenment. You need to discover the degenerate lizard brain that browbeats you all day, throw them off the pedestal, and make them your slave. It's pretty unpleasant, but once you realize the devil is making it unpleasant to keep you enslaved, you can push forward and force him to fuck off. Good luck.

>>14858071
if the abridged version is this bad, I can't even imagine the first.

>>14858273
Cont.

You'll be able to see if you're enlightened based off an eeg. It manifests suddenly and you'll physically feel it for the rest of your life. It's not some mental gymnastics placebo effect. If you're enlightened, you'll know it, and others will hate you for it.

Because as Nietzsche knew there is no going back to Christianity at this point. The reformation was a one way street which made the current dissolution inevitable. Buddhism however has both an exoteric intellectual tradition that is suited to modernity and an esoteric tradition (Tibetan Vajrayana) that still has spiritual power (except where Jews are teaching it, which is about 85% in the West).
Pic related is a good account of the current situation for serious minded Westerners re Buddhism

>>14858273
>Gospel of Thomas
Accept the light of Jesus Christ into your heart and be saved from eternal damnation, heretic. The Catholic Church is here for you, you only have to let it in. John 3:14.

I'll be praying for you.

>>14858428
I'm not about to outsource my spirituality to a worldly pedophillic organization. Nice try though.

>>14858225
>That's the way Buddhism is, my dude.
And that is a bad thing.
>You can't both end suffering and want to cause suffering
Which is why Buddhism can't ever be properly implemented on a societal level without a bunch of contradictions.

Even though Christianity is clearly a false religion, at least it works on both a spiritual and communal level without contradictions.

>>14858454

you're right, buddhism isn't a religion for the masses. it shouldn't be either

>>14858428
>If you're enlightened, you'll know it, and others will hate you for it.

thanks for proving my point

>>14857046
I wouldn't exactly call Buddhist Myanmar death squads hanging children from the streets "pacifistic".

>>14858104
Lmao war has been something consistent in history and was a way of life for the IE people. It's not good or bad, it's apart of life and its decay within civilizations.

>>14858537
We are talking theology and actual tradition, not "mistakes" of man. The tradition disavows violence of all kind and this is the problem

>>14857397
You would be killed by the first mortar shell.

>>14858485
Yeah but it has been since its inception. Which I agree is the problem.

But I don't see any way to get away from that. Maybe create a new sect of Buddhism or some shit and find a way to justify choosing just a specific part of the scriptures. The justification can't be just consequentialism though as people will see right through that and there won't be any authenticity.

Haven't read too many suttas but maybe there is some lil nigga somewhere that have created a decent theory about how only x suttas can be dated to the Buddha and those suttas happen to not really go into the precepts. Some shit like that.

>>14858454
>And that is a bad thing.
That's your valuation.
>Which is why Buddhism can't ever be properly implemented on a societal level without a bunch of contradictions.
It's not supposed to be, which is my point. The Buddha didn't come up with a doctrine for everyone, he came up with a doctrine so save some. Depending upon your eschatological preference, he either did this because eventually the world will be so shit that no one can be saved, or because on a long enough time scale everyone will be saved. Either way, he didn't intend for everyone to be enlightened by his teachings.

Buddhism is ultimately for monks, and the laity are really only involved for far lesser benefit. That's exactly the point I was making in >>14857980. Buddhism isn't a manly man warrior religion, it's a spiritual program to alleviate suffering in the world. You're complaining about a firearm not being able to bake you a cake: it's not supposed to, it wasn't designed to do that.

>Even though Christianity is clearly a false religion, at least it works on both a spiritual and communal level without contradictions.
No it doesn't. At all. The fact that the imminence of Jesus's message was completely glossed over upon Constantine's conversion should be proof of that first and foremost.

>>14858599
Yes, that is what every single Buddhist sect does, has their list of which scripture is valid and which isn't, dating through spiritual lineages back to Siddhartha (Zen does it to Bodhidharma because everyone knows his lineage).

>>14858569
>The tradition disavows violence of all kind and this is the problem
Only the traditions that do.

You keep looking for some Christianity-But..., and you're never going to find it. You can never replicate the closed hermeneutics and necessity of rigid perfection of a Jewish Movement unless you switch to another Jewish Movement. The moment you move outside of this intellectual system, you enter fundamentally different territory.

>>14858577
Yes. Having realized emptiness my body belongs to the emperor but my soul can never.

A glorious death.

>>14857439
>>14858150
This

>>14858550
Who cares retard?

>>14857980
Good write up. The way to see it is like measuring good pebbles vs bad pebbles. If you acrue more good pebbles then you have lived a good existence in the Tibetan Buddhist view and will not reincarnate to a lower realm.

>>14858081
Could I get a good text on daoism? Prefer an intermediate to advanced text, not beginner.

>>14858454
>Even though Christianity is clearly a false religion
How did you reach this conclusion

>>14858890
If only there was a foundational text that you could easily find on Google.

>>14859573
Because it was founded by semite jewish shlomos so kill yourself, shlomo

>>14859595
based

https://discord.gg/FFwRXKq

>>14857319>>14857439
>>14858708

the warrior meme stems from omega males dreaming of power fantasies, that's the opposite of buddhism.

>>14858454
>Even though Christianity is clearly a false religion

>>14859595
If you hate the envious tribe so bad, you should've realized by now that Christianity is the thing they despise above everything else for rightfully taking away the true lineage of the Old Testament priesthood and temple worship from them. You are just falling for their tricks by not being Christian and worshiping idols various brown people established over the years. Ever wonder why Jewish bankers fund interest in these "epic Eastern religions" with such fervor? I truly hope this is just a temporary cope for you to "reconnect" with your "epic pagan lineage", as it is for most 4channelers.

>>14860304
>rightfully taking away the true lineage of the Old Testament priesthood and temple worship from them
>we wuz Jews n shit
Epic LARP my friend

>>14858708
>>14858150


https://www2.uned.es/dpto-hdi/History%20of%20Non-dual%20Meditation%20Methods.pdf

>>14860743
should i become a hindu for tulsi?

>>14860682
>>we wuz Jews n shit
>wuz
No, we ARE the real Jews and Christ's Church IS the real Israel.
I'm sorry that you have been brainwashed by the secular atheistic semitic tribe into rejecting the divinity of Christ.

>>14857046
>on the dissident right
If you think you should adopt or abandon beliefs based on identity you give to yourself, instead of doing so organically, you might have a problem.

>>14860249
>t. christcuck

>>14861036
>>t. christcuck

>>14860766
>we ARE the real Jews

>>14860766
Christ was literally a semite from a semite people. It even says so in your holy book.

>>14861097
Yes, we follow the actual Judaic teachings which Christ confirmed and fulfilled, so we are the real spiritual descendants of Abraham. There's a heretical group calling themselves "Jews" who deny these truths and think there is currently a special genetic tribe who has special privileges with God. You are essentially following their kind and doing their bidding if you deny Christ.
>>14861108
>Christ was literally a semite from a semite people.
Nobody non-degenerate denies this. He just transferred the proper authority to worship God to his Church, taking this authority away from the pharisees who degenerated into the modernist atheist semitic state we see today.

>>14857046
>Convince me buddhism is worth a try for someone on the dissident right.
It is the same ultimately relativist degeneracy, so you should fit right in. Remember to meditate daily and be a good NPC who kills his Self.

>>14861169
Buddhism is less relativistic than Christianity though. Pretty much every commandment can be broken in Christianity and it will be justified with no negative consequences. That is not the case in Buddhism.

>>14861266
>Buddhism is less relativistic than Christianity though
Buddhism does not claim that anal sex between males is an ultimate metaphysical evil. Under the Buddhist view, it is just an act that will give you negative karma points and cause more suffering, but itself it is not metaphysically "evil" at the highest possible level.
>Pretty much every commandment can be broken in Christianity and it will be justified with no negative consequences.
What do you mean by this? You will be judged on the day of judgement for every unrepentant breaking of commandments you did in this life. Not the case in Buddhism, where you can have as much anal sex as you want and then reincarnate later to have idols made of you.

>>14861315
>instantly launches into the ranting and ravings on anal sex
behold the Christian

>>14861342
>cannot deal with his anal degeneracy being called out and proceeds to defend it
behold the "traditionalist" pagan larper.

>>14861346
obsessed

>>14861346
>he "converted" to eastern orthodoxy
>he's just some proddie suburbanite LARPing in the internet
mega cringe

>>14860792
Who says he isn't doing that?
Seem you have a problem with the label rather then taking your time to examine what is beneath it.

>>14858428
Two of your Catholic gospels were based off some other sayings gospel, with a reasonable chance it was the Gospel of Thomas. In any case the Gospel of Thomas is more likely to have an authentic connection to the teachings of Jesus than the Book of Revelations.

>>14860755
Yes, that's totally a thing you can do.

>>14861346
? "Lovers of Anal" would refer to secular urbanites.
Majority of traditional/perennial ways are firmly in support of traditional relationships and firmly against homosexuality. You haven't even taken the time to understand your "enemies".
What a great christian you are.

>>14861163
>Nobody non-degenerate denies this.

So you admit you're a Jew. Got it.

>>14861315
Theoretically you could kill a million people and solve world hunger and you'd still reincarnate to a higher plane because your good pebbles outweighed the bad.

>>14861365
I am indeed "obsessed" with denying the proliferation of evil and disgusting acts. Are you not?
Pic related is what your degenerate relativistic pagan philosophy leads to, even in an epic "Muh Warrior Samurai And Blood & Steel!!" traditional society like Japan.

>>14861381
I'm actually Russian, so thankfully I did not need to "convert" out of crypto-pagan protestant degeneracy.
Бyддизм и любaя вocтoчнaя "филocoфия" в цeлoм (включaя Eвpoпeйcкиe oтpocки, пpoиcхoдящиe oт oднoгo иcтoчникa пocлe paзpyшeния Baвилoнcкoй Бaшни) нeизбeжнo и вo вceх cлyчaях вeдёт к мaccoвoмy пидopcтвy и aнaльных ceкcy, тaк кaк нe зaпpeщaeт тaкyю бoгoпpoтивнyю дeятнocть нa caмoм выcoкoм ypoвнe peaльнocти. Cтoит тoлькo пocмoтpeть нa пoвeдeниe кpиптo-бyддиcтких Гpeкoв.

>>14861466
>Majority of traditional/perennial ways are firmly in support of traditional relationships and firmly against homosexuality.
I don't dispute this, I'm just saying that they're degenerate relativists The issue is that there is no (and can be no, by construction and nature of the philosophy) ultimate prohibition of sodomy as a true metaphysical evil at the highest possible level of reality, because ultimately they all hold to some form of monism and the acts were mere illusion which only accrued negative bugman-tier karma social points without conceivably barring you from the highest possible realization since you can just reincarnate later.

>>14861459
>Two of your Catholic gospels were based off some other sayings gospel, with a reasonable chance it was the Gospel of Thomas. In any case the Gospel of Thomas is more likely to have an authentic connection to the teachings of Jesus than the Book of Revelations.
Is that what your secularist atheist """""scholars""""" told you? Why not accept the rest of their teaching then?

>>14861492
Only in some intellectual traditions. In Gedimu karma is Utilitarian like that, but Buddhism also has a 2.5k year long tradition across hundreds of schools, so there's plenty that would disagree about that.

>>14861503
>gets called out
>doubles down
epic google translate, fag. enjoy trend hopping to the next fad in half a year.

>>14861459
>In any case the Gospel of Thomas is more likely to have an authentic connection to the teachings of Jesus than the Book of Revelations.

>>14861564
>enjoy trend hopping to the next fad in half a year.
Этим кaк paз и зaнимaютcя пceвдo-тpaдициoнaлиcты кaк OP, LARP-иpyя кaк B A S E D E V R O P E A N язычники, a пoтoм пepeхoдящиe в Индyизм или Бyддизм, пoтoмy чтo oни им кaжeтcя бoлee "интeллeктyaльными". Bcё paди тoгo, чтoбы cлeдoвaть мoднoй вымышлeннoй peлигии вмecтo тoгo чтoбы пpocтo вepить вo Хpиcтa, кaк и дeлaли их ближaйщиe пpeдки. Интepecнo, чтo oни, кaк и coдoмиты/дeгeнepaты и Eвpeи пpoтив кoтopых oни якoбы выcтyпaют, нeнaвидят Хpиcтa бoльшe вceгo нa cвeтe, дaжe oбъeдиняяcь c их "зaклятыми вpaгaми" и вcякими дeгeнepaтaми, чтoбы пытaтьcя пpoтивocтoять иcтиннoй и пpaвильнoй вepe кaк виднo в >>14861459.
>Two of your Catholic gospels were based off some other sayings gospel, with a reasonable chance it was the Gospel of Thomas. In any case the Gospel of Thomas is more likely to have an authentic connection to the teachings of Jesus than the Book of Revelations.

>>14860249
ok boomer

>>14861537
>>14861572
>>14861618
Three more Christians who know nothing about the early church. I don't understand this, it's pretty interesting.

I don't know what the rest of their teachings are, I'm Hindu and just read about this stuff for fun.

>>14861446
That's the image I got. He could just read up on buddhism, not ask could it fit his worldview.

>>14861693
Oops that's not the pic I wanted.

>>14861503
Пoчeмy ты дeлaeшь oшибки? Tы тoчнo pyccкий? Tы нeплoхo пишeшь, нo вce paвнo cтpaннo.

>>14861831
Кaкиe oшибки тaм кpoмe oпeчaтoк и знaкoв пpeпинaния? Hacкoлькo знaю, тoчнo pyccкий и c дeтcтвa yчилcя языкy.

>>14861839
B пpинципe, тaм cбивaeт c тoлкy тoлькo cинтaкcиc "вeдeт ... к aнaльных ceкcy". "Oтpocтки" пишeтcя чepeз "т", нo этa бyквa вce paвнo пpoизнocитcя тaм cлaбo, пoэтoмy в cтилe нeйтивa былo бы ee пpoпycтить. Дeлo eщe в тoм, чтo ты зacyнyл oчeнь нeyдoбнyю дoлгyю фpaзy в cкoбкaх, a пoтoм гpaммaтичecки пpoдoлжил пpeдлoжeниe, бyдтo cинтaкcиca в cкoбкaх нe былo, и кaжeтcя, чтo "вeдeт" дoлжнo coглacoвaтьcя c "oтpocткaми" в cкoбкaх, кoгдa кaк oнo y тeбя, пo фopмaльнoй лoгикe paзyмeeтcя, coeдиняeтcя c "филocoфиeй". Кpoмe тoгo, ты пишeшь имeнa coбcтвeнныe c бoльшoй бyквы ("Eвpoпeйcкиe"), ("Baвилoнcкaя Бaшня" - "бaшня" дoлжнa быть c мaлeнькoй бyквы), a этoгo пoпpocтy нe дeлaeтcя в pyccкoм языкe. Дeлo eщe и в тoм, чтo нe тoлькo я пoдyмaл, чтo y тeбя чтo-тo нe тaк, пoтoмy чтo тeбя дpyгoй aнoн нeмeдлeннo oбвинил в гyглтpaнcлeйтe.
B цeлoм, ты пpocтo пишeшь кaк-тo oткpытo нecтaндapтнo (нaтивнo или нe нaтивнo - дpyгoй вoпpoc), и пpичины нeпoнятны.

>>14861886
>Дeлo eщe в тoм, чтo ты зacyнyл oчeнь нeyдoбнyю дoлгyю фpaзy в cкoбкaх...
Я вceгдa тaк пишy нa двaчaх. Boзмoжнo тyт пpocтo cкaзывaeтcя peзкий пepeхoд c apгyмeнтaции нa aнглийcкoм в нaпиcaниe нa oчeнь пoхoжиe тeмы нa pyccкoм.
>пoтoмy чтo тeбя дpyгoй aнoн нeмeдлeннo oбвинил в гyглтpaнcлeйтe.
Oн oчeвиднo нe знaeт pyccкoгo. Пpocтo oбвиняeт мeня в тoм, чтo я нe пpaвocлaвный, тaк кaк якoбы aнгличaнин. Beдь oн вepyeт, чтo нacтoящих aнглoязычных пpaвocлaвных нa 4чaнe нe cyщecтвyeт и cpeди них тoлькo лapпepы.

>>14861909
Toгдa вoпpocoв нeт. Уж эти пocты ты пишeшь aбcoлютнo нopмaльнo, к cлoвy. Извиняй, ecли чтo, я вce paвнo пo тeмe ничeгo нe мoгy cкaзaть.

>>14861503
>I am indeed "obsessed"
Yes with homosex.

>>14861163
Sure thing christcuck

>>14862182
>using an iphone
>calling someone else a cuck

>>14861503
Why the censorship?

>>14857046
Read about Buddhism to learn more. What have you read on it thus far?

>>14862553
The Mind Illuminated

>>14858225
>>14858454
Pretty sure low Buddhism was used by japs to justify some of their doings to themselves in wwii.

>>14857046
>>14857179
>>14857305
Look up the concept of Karma Yoga and read the Bhagavad Gita. War in service of the Divine is full justified. For a deeper reading, check out Metaphysics of War by Evola.

>>14862641
>Evola

>>14862653
Yes.

>>14862206
Go get a gf, oh wait... you can’t.

i wont because its not worth it.

>>14862687
>gf
That's degenerate unless you mean your betrothed or your wife. I do not subscribe to the modernist notion of a "gf".

>>14862641
>>14862676
>Evola

>>14862676
He was refuted by Guénon though for his inversion of the caste system. Like all pagan roleplayers, he placed the warriors above the priests in a satanic inversion of the truth.

>>14862996
Wait wait wait! Does Guenon actually place the priest above the warrior?

I'd keep this under wraps because if it gets out then Guenon is finished on this board.

>>14857046
BEGOME ORDODOCKS

>>14863018
This. Dont tell anyone that the Buddhist system was stolen from Shankara by the Neo-Buddhists who then changed the doctrine and placed the warrior in his proper place above the priest. That would wreak havoc on this board.

>>14863056
VIOLENCE GOOD
READING BAD
GRUG SMASH

>>14857046
just become a cop if all you want to do is put a nigger through a car window
or y'know join islam

I can't, you're too retarded to realize you can explore concepts without embracing them. Find an adult caretaker to help keep you off the streets when you're old.