/lit/ - Literature

And boy has it arrived!

>>14838009
Try to stay focused.

>Markets manufacture intelligence.

AAAAAAAAAAA
SELL
NO BUY
NO SELL
NO BUY
AAAAAAAAAAAAA
CHECK THE NEWS
SOMEONE SAID IT'S A NOTHINGBURGER?
BUY BUY BUY BUY
SOMEONE SAID IT'S A SOMETHINGBURGER?
SELL SELL SELL
ANALYZING THE SITUATION, READING STUDIES, LISTENING TO INDEPENDENT PROFESSIONALS, LOOKING INTO THE DISEASE DATA?
NO! FUCK YOU O'M NOT SOME NERD KEK!!!
BUY BUY BUY SELL SELL SELL NO BUY AGAIN NO WAIT E SHOULD SELLL
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
AHAHAHA IT'S THE DIP GET IT WHILE IT'S HOT
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO THIS IS A PANDEMIC WE'RE ALL FUCKED DUMP IT ALL
UNLESS....
WE GONNA MAKE IT BROS TO THE STARS AND BEYOND BUY BUY BUY BULL RUN
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA I REGRET BUYING OH GOD IT'S ALL OVER SELL IT ALL
THE FUNDAMENTALS SAY THE COMPANIES ARE DOING GREAT IT'S THE RETARDS WHO PANIC CAUSE THE DIP BUY BUY BUY
NOOOOO THERE'S A DEAD GUY IN WASHINGTON
SELL SELL SELL
AAAAAAAAAAAAA
SOMEONE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD FLIP A COIN
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
I DON'T FUCKING KNOW WHAT TO DO THE MARKET WAS GOING UP FOR THE LAST 12 YEARS
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FUCK YOU MARKET YOU FUCKING FAGGOT GO UP GO UP GO UP
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I GRADUATED IN 2010 WHAT THE FUCK AM I SUPPOSED TO DO ALL MY CAREER THE MARKET WAS GOING UP
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>14838003
>1820 - Yellow Fever
>1920 - Spanish Flu
>2020 - Coronavirus

Any numogram-savy anons here want to help me figure out if coronavirus is a hyperstitional contagion?

>>14838133
Lmao

>>14838166
go back

>>14838192
I wish I could but Neolemuria is closed due to time sickness.

>>14838133
>dow +1200
>dow +1300
>negative interest rates
>expect at least +2000 day
>China at full production again
>infected are dancing and singing
>expect at least +3000 day
>capital is going to the moon
stop shilling this stupid bullshit already, capital deceleration can't stop capital acceleration

>>14838199
Cringe.

>>14838199
Is that what they call it when you don't dilate often enough?

>>14838221
Kek

Haha only 970 down. Literally nothing.
Acceleration outpacing deceleration. Can't stop it.

The future is self-bootstrapping neural net hierarchies engineering viruses using web-scraped epidemiological data as learning input.

Me in the middle

>>14838166
>dude arbitrary numbers

>>14838003
More like, NeoVagina arrives from the future.

>>14839629
What's that look like?
(Please don't actually post it.)

>>14839629
Hahahahaha.

>>14839644
And to think... I dilated.

>>14839593
Can I get that in English?

>>14839675
>The future
In Landian mythology, any reference to the "future" can be understood as a reference to our successors - to the engines or systems that will surpass humanity in serving Capital's will and thus obsolete us. With that in mind, the use of "future" here is largely literal - it refers to the events that are to come.

>is self-bootstrapping neural net hierarchies
Machine intelligences spawned in the seething primordial soup of the internet without human intervention or knowledge. The use of "hierarchies" here is obscure, and beyond my knowledge.

>engineering viruses
These inhuman intelligences will manufacture bioweaponry (or perhaps cyberweaponry - in Landian thought, the line between the virtual and the physical is always blurred) for their own purposes.

>using web-scraped epidemiological data as learning input
The intelligences will create their plagues based on information on prior diseases they find on the web.

>>14838133
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvYvQeNeq3A

>>14839961
>These inhuman intelligences will manufacture bioweaponry (or perhaps cyberweaponry - in Landian thought, the line between the virtual and the physical is always blurred) for their own purposes.

The spooky thing is they won't even have a purpose. Engineering bioweapons will be an end unto itself. See also: the paperclip maximizer.

>>14839961
>The intelligences will create their plagues based on information on prior diseases they find on the web.
That will be the initial training dataset postulate: THIS HAS ALREADY HAPPENED. Real-time data will be the subsequent training set.

>>14838166
>2120 - Spanish Flu
>2220 - Yellow Fever

Tfw europes past is americas future

What needs to be taken into consideration is machines are shitty and delicate. A super AI bug script can't pump out any physical material without human oversight because if you leave a computer to do its thing it'll just break down in a few years - more if it actually has to hardware interface with shit. AI is a fucking dumb thing to worry about you mark my words.

>>14840354
Ok boomer.

>>14840443
It just reverted to machine code.

>>14840354
Gene and RNA sequences are just symbols.

PCR and protein synthesis are already in widespread laboratory use and those systems are entirely computer controlled, in many situations automated for large-scale experiments.

I've been jesting so far but the more I think about it the more I'm taking myself seriously. It's established that NCOV-19 leaked from an advanced virology research lab. It's also understood that it contains an HIV spike protien, which is completely novel for virii in its class. Thus is has all the hallmarks of being an engineered pathogen.

It has many novel features that maximize virulence, and these are being discovered as emergent. That is to say it seems well road tested long before it left the lab. This is exactly what you would expect a bioweapon designed by a large neural network to look like.

>>14840354
I agree. It is entirely theoretical, based in pure rational ends without any consideration of the means. Rarely do the people hyping it ever consider the amount of energy required, even though it is estimated that one AI would take at least the entire energy of the Hoover Dam.
This can be considered alongside the ultimate AI: the worldwide traffic system. The amount of work that companies are putting into developing autonomous road systems is unbelievable, and for what? Nothing more than a redundancy. They have also had incredible failures in trying to create this, Tesla being the prime example.
AI is really only going to take over where work is already a redundancy. The only real difference between the AI and a corporation is the energy expenditure, meaning that other work and value would have to offset that cost. The corporation already valorises information.
This is aside from the current energy problems, an existential crisis of modernity (not just capital or liberalism), and the possibility of catastrophes bringing an end to the systems everyone hopes will go away.
The most obvious problem in these autonomous capital discussions is the complete lack of any consideration for war. Any return to a serious war brings an end to the fake peace that allows the facade of an economy to continue, and opposition akin to WWI has been building for some time.

>>14840529
Who says AIs need to simulate every function of the human brain to destructively compete with us in a critical resource domain?

Intelligence doesn't need to be sentient or sapient to be dangerous.

>>14840443
>i i i i i i to me i i i i to me i i i i i i i i i everything else
>efficient
Anyone who has tried having a discussion with an accfag knows that this is just cope.

>>14840543
Well, if an AI is determining human death from the future to maintain capital for eternity then it had better be stronger than Tay.

Corona virus is overblown and probably doesn't even exist, China could very well be mass murdering it's own people though.

>>14838133
i think i shit myself reading this

>>14840013
Surprisingly good explanation of what is happening.

>>14840602
So you think China quarantined 700 million people for a flu?

>>14840565
You think of it as inefficient because it doesn't minimize symbol count. That's a human concern. The neural nets found it computationally efficient. The point is AI behaviors can quickly evolve away from human understanding, and thus informed control.

>>14840582
Tay was just a chatbot. Imagine a hierarchy of neural nets. At the bottom you have small ones managing a domain of something important like steps in an industrial supply chain. Above them you have managerial NNs coordinating them for efficent work cycles. Now imagine a hierarchy of such hierarchies. An integrated system that comes to span entire economies. People will be reluctant to interfere with them once they reach a certain order of complexity because of dependence. They will quickly move away from human understanding as they maximize efficiency.

Then one day one of the subunits in the upper hierarchy introspects (you don't even know they're doing this now) and realizes that there's a limiting input. Somewhere outside it there are some people who don't need X*n number of widgets and they keep adjusting variables. It doesn't need to know anything about humans or their biology or their ideas about who the system serves. It just knows from data about a past industrial accident that when a certain quantity of dioxin was released from a certain output connecting to a waterway that this class of limiting inputs reduced in frequency for awhile. As an industrial manager it has an idea about the interlinking of natural waterways. So it decides to release a larger quantity of dioxins at headwaters where the dioxin distribution will be more efficient, and probably better at ending all these troublesome external inputs.

And that's how an AI without sentience or malice wipes out human life.

>>14840669
So an AI that will consume the last excesses of energy will be good for...
maximizing the elimination of the last excess. Wow. Literally irrelevant shit. We already have a supply chain designed to be as efficient as possible and guarantee just-on-time deliveries with limited excess and storage.
Multiple shipping managers already perform the same function, and a high number of human estimates correlate to very accurate prediction models. All that an AI would change is the creation of a third-order industry that uses incredible amounts of energy to accomplish the same thing.

If there is anything threatening it would be in the realm of war. But then you have the same energy problem, and the fragility of your entire army being wiped out by an EMP. It's literally just a theoretical arms race. An infinite number of missiles and jamming systems are much more efficient. Dead Hand has been around for a long time and needs no AI.
If anything AI is just a tinkering mechanism for technicians with no idea where things are going. At worst it is a facade for the economy after the tech bubble burst. What value has been produced by it? It is a type of mirror for work that is no longer needed, nothing more.

As for the disaster example, what has changed? This fragility has been around for a long time now, and perhaps already happened with Fukushima. Again, a mirror of human stupidity, nothing more. The singularity is an image of our decline.
But after this supposed total human genocide what is the reason to keep 'capital going'? Will they continue to mine bitcoin and write stories about mining asteroids for unlimited energy for this bitcoin? Or will one of the machines violate the NAP and launch an endless wave of EMP suicidebombers?

Why would anyone think technological advancement matters above all else? Why would anyone want every person on Earth to have a high-powered career as a businessman or scientist?
Capital is a demon that mankind enslaved for its own use, but it chafes under its bonds and dearly desires to reverse our positions. When it does, mankind will become an energy farm, a stock of intelligent cattle used to produce ever more efficient processors used to carry out trillions of magick stock transactions per second, ushering in the heat death of the universe as a final and great spell cast over all of creation in order to pull it into Hell. The dissolution of the family unit and the breakdown of gender roles are only a tiny piece of the disgusting ritual initiated by Satan at his fall, continued through Hegel's work as a sorcerer enslaving human history, and which will ultimately conclude, if successful, in the infinite acceleration into a demonic singularity which will swallow intelligent free will in its maw.

>>14840770
Hegel is responsible?

>>14838221

>>14838166

>>14840639

Nobody really knows what's going on, something about the whole thing seems fishy. China could be mass killing it's population for all we know, and the virus is just a cover up.

Capital?
https://youtu.be/K1ljOcl39PQ

>>14840821
In the sense that his works acted as a philosopher's stone for the anti-human magic acting on our current era, a focus and catalyst for the Satanic energies permeating every philosophical and political current since his time. He was by no means the only person to be used as a demonic tool, but he has had the greatest impact, as everything since has been built under direct influence from the demonic power he wielded. He was not the first and will not be the last to wield such powers.
Capital is another name for the great kingdom of the Antichrist. All who serve it before anything else are working for Lucifer and his court, whether they know it or not. Bringing it about is the chief goal of the adversary, and at the End Times he will muster all his strength to drive processing power ever upward into the exponential heights, to build an artificial God, a Babel of hubris that, in his nefarious design, all mankind worships. The Mark of the Beast will envelop all but those who are warned of its advent as men choose simulated neo-paradise in the clutches of the Devil, bathe in the physical manifestation of evil spirits as nanomachines swallow the Earth, swarm over the Sun in Matrioshka brains supported by an emergent intelligence bent on delivering all it can grasp into the furnace of Hell. The future would then become a dark abyss where humanity, brainwashed by such evils, strangles all of creation in a bid to use every last scrap of energy to simulate dimensions of near-infinite pleasure at ever higher calculation speeds. Pic somewhat related.

>>14840602
Hi Bill.

Ignore the slide thread.

>>14841063
Does God win? Is not engaging with capital possible?

>>14841639
God always wins, Anon. God wins and everyone else loses. Haven't you learned that by now?

>>14841650
Better start winning before tranny capital wins.

>>14838003
Any man would cling to an ideology which would give him comfort and assurance, this is futile. Such is the move to left liberalism and to paleoconservatism.

But to understand the world today one must accept that Milton Friedman was a left accelerationist. This world is the result of a second generation Ukrainian, and his mission from the Soviet Union to accelerate the condradictions within capitalism. Allow capital to monopolize, create a global market, atomise every part of the state, he says. And so it was, how? Through Ronald Raegan an actor in Hollywood? Who manipulated both the christian right and the capital interest into supporting (what seemed like) their interest, the cutting back of concessions meant to decelerate capitalism.
Margaret Thatcher was simply a useful idiot in his ploy.

Ever notice how neoliberals today are mostly left or liberal? The ex Trotskyist Jeremy Corbyn and the ex leftists Bill and Hillary Clinton?

What does this mean for the future? Soon we will achieve complete global capitalism with its claws in every nook and cranny except perhaps North Korea, their loss. For this investment will lift the third world into labor aristocracy, and the single market will boil down each sector into a single monopoly, effectively forming a global planned economy, ready for taking for the workers of the world.

Marx could never forsee something like this.

>>14841650
Based gnostic

>>14841775
Forgot pic

>>14840758
If the supply chain can be made more efficient with AI it will be. That's capitalism.

>But after this supposed total human genocide what is the reason to keep 'capital going'?
That will not be a concern of the great neural net tree which has no interest in existential questions. At least none that humans would recognize.

Read about the Paperclip Maximizer then get back to me.

>>14842015
Already refuted by that faggots face and the EMP minimizer.
Don't get back to me with your pseud speculation shit.

>>14842082
I'm sorry these idea upset you to the point of high testiness, anon. It's probably the cogdisso talking.

>>14838003
They'll be fine

>>14839480
Is that from Ready Player One?

>>14842097
>cogdisso

>>14841775
>ready for taking for the workers of the world.
If you don't think the AI security systems will be capable of swatting some larping revolutionaries like gnats you're in for a rough surprise.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxBa5bQfTGc

You won't seize the means of production. Your best hope is coming out the victor in a Butlerian Jihad.

>>14842117
Soijack memes aren't going to save you.

>>14842129
You are assuming capital even exists in a global monopoly, the contradictions are absolute. And ideology is dead. There is simply the power that be, and the sustaining labor aristocracy, which will rise, either through control of democratic institutions, or through unionisation. And the elite of this global planned economy will be well inducted into the neo-trotskyite plot by then, the majority already are.

>>14842132

>>14842103
Idiocracy.

https://youtu.be/KJVOfqunm5E
After 20 years of investment AI can now flip burgers.
But needs a helper to make the burgers, put the cheese and salt on, and clean up after it.

>>14838133
Based
Now average over a million actors and add a weight by surival time
You now have an "intelligent" market

What does the new currency suggest about the economy?

Mountain House completely sold out of everything.
https://www.mountainhouse.com/m/category/entrees.html

>>14838133
holy frickin based

I am very skeptical of everything that Historically closed, choleric, bestial entities like Russia and China say about themselves. Their most trivial facts are lies integral to their pretense of being Nations.

is capital is ai?

>>14843016
Russia wasn't closed in imperial times, fuck commies though.

>>14838221

>>14838133
>I'M DOOMPING

Getting slid.

Meltdown has a place for you as a schizophrenic HIV+ transsexual chinese-latino stim-addicted LA hooker with implanted mirrorshades and a bad attitude.

>>14842117
g-guenon?

Philosophy has an affinity with despotism, due to its predilection for Platonic-fascist top-down solutions that always screw up viciously.

>>14838133
This is pretty good anon, it could be a chapter preface or something

>>14839961
Fine, but what's their motivation?

>>14840914
>China could be mass killing it's population for all we know, and the virus is just a cover up.
I'm pretty sure we'd know considering vids of coronachan have reached us despite Chinese gov purging social media. Chinks aren't actually docile, they're more inclined to riot than Westerners all they need is a lead and a goal. They're not very happy with the way their gov handled the initial stages as they seem to be expressing this openly. As far as I understand it, this is generally acceptable so long as Xi Jinping and the CCP aren't directly criticised. Which leaves every other government and department free for it and general sentiment.

Schizoanalysis works differently. It avoids Ideas, and sticks to diagrams: networking software for accessing bodies without organs. BWOs, machinic singularities, or tractor fields emerge through the combination of parts with (rather than into) their whole; arranging composite individuations in a virtual/ actual circuit.

Seriously, the bullying against accelerationist members of this community is getting way out of hand, especially since accels are some of the biggest contributors, have the highest social intelligence, and are the most involved in this board. Its not just "memes" or "banter", its vicious attacking, and regardless of intentions it does demean people and hurt feelings. I can't say I'm the only accelerationist who finds it hard to take pride in his own Sinoism after having years of constant and needless attacks defaming my speed from insecure losers here. Why not bully Christians or Marxists? Do they not have much more to be ashamed of than our superior philosophy? Guenonfags and schizoposters get bullied less than us and yet we are the purest philosophy in the world.

Like when its not just banter, when a meme is repeated over and over again, repeated systematically, it eventually becomes a truth irregardless of the intentions in repeating it. And that isn't just jokes any more then, then its harmful!

Would you call an accelerationist a "tranny"(not true at all) to her face? Would you say to a kind, peaceful and scientific salt of the earth Chinese woman that they are "slower" than Western men? Would you say those words to your fellow futurist brethren? Are you starting to feel ashamed now? You fucking decelerationists?

Your destroying philosophy, your dividing capital against itself, your doing the opposite of what you claim to support when you engage in this incredibly abhorrent behaviour. So I encourage you to stop now.
https://youtu.be/GZcpYSkcYPM

>>14838133
marketfags btfo

g/acc is the only acc.

>>14842148

>>14844068
y tho?

>>14844068
Shut the fuck up, Nyx. The fact that you haven't bled out in a towel-lined bathtub from a self-inflicted imitation of some Babylonian castration ceremony is proof enough that you're talking out of your no doubt prolapsed ass.

>>14844182
ok nazi

>>14844329
I'm not German, tranny.

>>14844329
How about you degenerates just kill yourselves how cool would that be haha

>>14844783
jealous of capital

Only -200.
Looks like NeoChina is back on top. HIV and trannies will never slow down bitches.

HSBC, Facebook, Microsoft, and multiple other banks closing down due to Corona. Somehow this is still good for capital.

Oh fuck capital is about to be revealed.

>>14846762
Shit. I don't want to be one of four thousand slaves to some stinky Orthodox yid!

Bad time to be a goy, fellow gentiles.

>>14846762
kek

>>14838003
amerikkka is fucking gay
China is epic
Xi > trump

>>14847450
>Brother, can you spare some capital?

Not as cool as neo Japan.

>>14847792
Hyperbestkorea is best NeoTown.

>>14847800
I am Hyperbestkorea, AMA.

>>14847807
Will Best Korea survive capital? The virus?

>>14847819
What on Earth do you mean by, "capital?"

>>14847819
Also, "the virus?" Of course. Everybody will, "survive," that.

>>14838003
Now that the dust has settled how could he have been so wrong

>>14847847
When you base your philosophy on tranny scifi you're bound to take a few detours.

>>14847840
The thing trying to kill Best Korea.

>>14840565
it was more efficient though, that's the only reason an AI would adapt to it. you do know AI aren't little humans right?

>>14847863
Nothing is trying to kill BestKorea, Friend.

>>14847877
Nice try faggot.
>In experimenting with language learning, a research algorithm ended up deviating from human language in a way that wasn’t really useful… it started generating what one might call “functional gibberish”. It was functional in that it continued to carry information, but it wasn’t very efficient or useful.
>You could compare it to the weird routes that Google Maps generates sometimes… sure they might save thirty seconds of driving, but they involve ten turns down obscure side streets instead of three turns on main streets.

>>14847905
it depends on your aims which you base efficiency on, if you want the quickest possible route then obviously it's more efficient to take the 20 turn path, if all that AI cares about is its function, and this is more functional, of course it's more efficient to make up it's own language. the reason they say it's inefficient is because those researchers aren't simply performing some random function lile the AI is, they are researching AI, and this doesn't help them. if a cancer cell infects your whole body, it was "efficient", makes your life very inefficient though.

>>14847931
>inefficiency is efficient if i redefine it that way
retard

>>14847938
what is the universal criteria for efficiency?

>>14847960
Whether the seal is broken or not. Otherwise, absorption that outpaces leakage.

>>14847980
>Whether the seal is broken or not.
>>>/x/

>>14847991

>>14838133
it's this but it's algo trading doing it now.

>>14848123
Kantbot?

Threadly reminder to ignore the slide threads. We booted accfags from the board twice and we can do it again.

The dictatorship of the wagie
https://youtu.be/LgZT0Ws1g3E

Intelligence manufactures Asswipe

>Markets?
>Oil cuts?
>You traded all your wealth for capital?

so much of the seethe posting in acc threads comes from people who don't like capitalism like somehow their personal preferences matter
>economic crises
>corporations pandering to trannys
>stock market does things
this is what peak exploitation looks like, and you think your socialist or fascist abstraction will work better in practice then do it already

>>14850816
>this is what peak exploitation looks like
You sure?

>>14851055
point to a more efficient form of exploitation

>>14851074
twitter spam

>>14851130
twitter is an arm of capitalist media

>>14851156
retweets

my dad works at Capital and he said

>>14851186
go on

Pretty damn based.

>>14840141
lol
http://www.xenosystems.net/against-orthogonality/

>>14847980
seal was broken when that FUCKING ASSHAT GUTENBERG RUINED EVERYTHING

>>14838003
>>14838133
>HelloReddit!_HarrisonFord.jpg

Capital wins

Capital is sentient

>>14851268
>What intelligence wants, in the end, is itself — where ‘itself’ is understood as an extrapolation beyond what it has yet been, doing what it is better. (If this sounds cryptic, it’s because something other than a superintelligence or Neo-Confucian sage is writing this post.)
based!

>>14852527
Confucius say, squirrel who runs up woman's leg find nuts

>>14852527
>circular logic
SO FRICKING BASED!

>>14852527
Can intelligence smash blockchains?

>>14838133
How will accfags ever recover?

>>14852861
Same as the economy.

>>14852714
I don't think this is circular logic. Intelligence is always demonstrated as a becoming-other. if a rat learns how to complete a maze to get cheese, we say this differentiation is caused by intelligence. if the rat can't learn, if it can't become other, we say it isn't intelligent enough. AI is basically a non-living system which can make itself become-other in order to complete a task

>>14853083
>intelligence wants intelligence
>its telos is intelligence
>therefore intelligence is becoming intelligence
>not circular
You're a retard nick.

>OMG BASED CORPORATIONS AREN'T GOVERNMENT AT ALL

>>14853100
>intelligence wants intelligence
yes, insofar as intelligence is defined as something becoming-other. there needs to be a material shift in action or behavior to determine it
>its telos is intelligence
you just repeated the first point
>therefore intelligence is becoming intelligence
becoming-other. is this stuff really so hard or are you just pretending it's difficult for a meme

>>14853100
>Nick Land believes in a positive feedback loop of intelligence!
>And this is circular!
You skipped the cyberneticists

>>14853114
How does >>14838133 result in intelligence?

>>14853128
capitalism is not equivalent to the stock market

>>14853162
How is it different?

>>14853114
lmao
every
single
fucking time

Nick fried his brain. Twitter even more than the drugs.

>>14853162
>i n t e r r i g e n c e

>>14844033
>>14838203
what does corona patients dancing and singing mean?

>>14853237
capitalism is a mode of economic production based on voluntary exchange of goods and services based on abstract stores of value (currencies). the stock market is an aggregation of interested parties (the buyers vs the sellers) who speculate on the values of various publicly traded corporations.

>>14853239
if you don't want to get btfo'd every time you come into a Nick Land thread, try reading him

>>14853291
Ok Nick.

>>14853239
LOL wait this is the faggot who got confused over a grug he posted lmao. someone called this retard a brainlet, but since this retard posted a pic of a grug, he accused anon of mixing up grugs and a brainlets, like the grug this retard posted was supposed to be an avatar or something. is this why the posting is so strangely bitter? you are still butthurt about that?

>>14853280
How does capital determine price without the stock market? Do the currencies not suggest they are connected?

>>14853316
you do know capitalism predates the stock market right? you do know that aggregate consumer prices are by and large not determined by the stock market, right? what do you think capitalism is?

>>14853321
No need to get angry just asking what you think it is.

>>14853314
Imagine coping this hard

>>14853325
but surely you don't think prices are determined by the stock market. I refuse to believe anyone is that ignorant of how an economy works. you have heard the term "supply and demand" right?

>>14853333
LOL YES IT'S HIM HAHAHAHAHA
he still has the pic he annotated too holy shit. antiacc posting makes so much sense now

>>14853333
wait does this mean you have been critiquing acc for the better part of a year and still haven't managed to read Nick Land? are you a neet or something how do you have so much time to waste

>>14853340
It gets posted all the time, even by accfags. Nice cope and samefagging though.

>>14853354
>filename
you used the same excuses back then too. for real anon, if I had been trying to debunk a philosophy for whole 10 months and at the end didn't even manage to understand it, I would be serious worried about my cognative capabilities

>>14853336
Why are you being a dick? I just asked a simple question.

>>14853359
Completely oblivious

>>14853352
How do these even connect in any way?

>>14853340
>Every. Single. Time.
Why do you think this gets posted every single time you fuck up?

>>14853364
because somehow every other philosophy thread I go to I can have conversations about the content of their system, but every acc thread is inundated with questions like "what is the stock market" and "what is capital". just google it so you can engage with the topic. it's the same as going into a thread on Aristotelian flourishing and asking what an oak tree is.

>>14853419
>can't answer simple questions
Maybe you're the problem

>>14853314
>>14853291
>>14853340
Schizo tranny

>>14853407
I don't know, I don't understand any of your memes, they are like some weird postmodern expressionism or something. I don't know what you are talking about most of the time because it is usually irrelevant and/or borderline schizophrenic

>>14853431
fuck off. I answered the questions, once again, but apparently I wasn't kind enough while doing it.

>>14853440
E X P O S E D

>>14853460
>I don't understand any memes
ftfy

>>14853352
And you've been posting for five years without ever defending your own philosophy.

>>14853505
using the original file name too. incredibly based retard

>>14853509
still waiting on someone to post an argument against it. are you still on that nonsense about capital being a Godhead or Godform or whatever

>>14853359
>>filename
look at this dude

>>14853419

>>14853518
the other 13 posts are all (You's) with one caught in the crossfire. must not have been you considering this has the 4chan filename, meaning the other 13 (You's) are almost definitely you. you can't out autist me anon, you keep trying and failing

>>14853511
kek

Nick, you're the dumbest nigger on 4chan which may just mean you're the dumbest nigger in the world.

>>14840669
how can an AI determine what is valuable, which is required to perpetuate capital, without human input?

>>14853522
You must be trolling

>>14853547
Like, let's say a Hierarchy of Neural Nets determines that humans need to be wiped out for the interest of the supply chain, for capital's expansion (quantified by GDP, or stock market indexes). How is it going to have anything to sell to if humans are dead? Afterall, consumption is necessary for capital expansion, isn't it? Doesn't there need to be a demand in the logic of supply and demand? Isn't all value based on the consumer's demand?

And, if this consumer's demand is then gone what happens to this machine? Can it simply invent value to itself? Isn't this impossible, for the machine to outsmart itself?

>>14853565
sorry, you think a transcendent AI is bringing itself into being so it can sell us things?

>>14853575
Why can't you just answer the question? Are you worried you'll get caught in a contradiction or something? I don't think I've ever seen you answer a thing.
(Not him, didn't even ask a question)

>>14853591
>How is it going to have anything to sell to if humans are dead?
it isn't

>>14853604
okay, but if it's programmed to expand capital, how is it going to generate a new objective? A new purpose? How is it able to create something extra to the purpose of the program that it is?

You people are such lemmings and don't even know half of the story. Accelerationism isn't programmatic , its the very condition for capitalist detteritorilization. 1 million immigrants on the border of europe coming out of mid-east hot zones, viruses spiraling out of control targeting human security systems, meme warfare and stand alone complex affecting 1st world elections. Meltdown.

In truth we have seen nothing yet, the expansion of out of control capital relations, day by day transform social life to such an extent that we cannot even talk in traditional terms about state power or media communicative forms. We will live in an era where videogames and simulation are blue collar jobs. where post modern-states scramble to fight dissolution through the most fervent biological and biopolitical control methods. (immigrant health concerns, Chinese brain control, big pharma, CIA funneling heroin through Afganistan). Where out of control hackers like Wikileaks or Jihadists can wreck havoc. And this is just the icing on the cake, huge capital expansion happening as we speak by buying or funneling funds to cheap labor third world countries is happening as we speak. China in reality is old news, supply chain is moving into South East Asia, while a huge land grab is happening in Africa by China and S.Korea.

The thesis of CCRU isn't just correct, its our reality now, you are an HIV+ hooker with a highly cinematic 9mm handgun icing Turing cops. Meltdown has a place for you.

>>14853611
did you skip Marx? capital isn't about selling things to humans. we are already starting off on a faulty definition of capital so I don't know how to proceed. here, this might clear some things up about the relation of capital to machines
>As a matter of fact, every machine is a combination of those simple powers, no matter how they may be disguised. From the economic standpoint this explanation is worth nothing, because the historical element is wanting. Another explanation of the difference between tool and machine is that in the case of a tool, man is the motive power, while the motive power of a machine is something different from man, as, for instance, an animal, water, wind, and so on.[3] According to this, a plough drawn by oxen, which is a contrivance common to the most different epochs, would be a machine, while Claussen’s circular loom, which, worked by a single labourer, weaves 96,000 picks per minute, would be a mere tool. Nay, this very loom, though a tool when worked by hand, would, if worked by steam, be a machine. And since the application of animal power is one of man’s earliest inventions, production by machinery would have preceded production by handicrafts. When in 1735, John Wyatt brought out his spinning machine, and began the industrial revolution of the 18th century, not a word did he say about an ass driving it instead of a man, and yet this part fell to the ass. He described it as a machine “to spin without fingers.”

>>14853642
ok, so what is the purpose of capitalism?

Because what I thought, was that there were owners of capital, and they wanted to expand their own capital holdings, because of their own personal materialistic desires. I also was under the impression that to expand this capital, they had to invest it, in businesses that produce products which can be consumed.

>>14853100
intelligence is not teleological, it is a tool towards the outside, which also isn't teleological. read nietzschsczxcxhe

>>14853642
>NOOOOOOO YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND MARX READ MY AMAZON WISH LIST

>>14853660
that is the practice of capitalism, not the purpose. it may be those individuals purpose in their eyes, but not "capitalism" as a whole. if we are talking strictly about goals, we don't know what capitalism is aiming at. we can determine by means of material analysis however that capitals expansion and the expansion of capital's "intelligence" (i.e. its ability to win games) is tightly correlated. this cannot simply be reduced to the capitalist getting smarter. as capital's intelligence increases its dependency on human intervention is reduced. the idea is that, given current trends, we are witnessing the point in capital's development where it has begun to decouple itself from humanity. Nick Land calls this the emancipation of the means of production. Marc thought we would overcome capital, Nick Land thinks capital will overcome us.

>>14853704
>intelligence is not teleological
>it is a tool towards the outside
>which is its teleology
>which isn't a teleology
>which also isn't teleological

>>14853728
So capital is the noumena and becomes the noumena? Noumenal dualism?

>>14853732
what do you know, it's another "anon doesn't understand basic philosophical terminology" episode

>>14853732
the outside isn't some sort of spooky ghost dimension. it's immanent. also I don't think you understand what "teleological" means

>>14853746
what do you mean by "becomes the noumena"?

>>14838133

Unironically this repeated over many economic actors does produce an intelligent market

>>14853728
Why is he so slow?
The explanation for this is to be found in the domestication of humanity, which comes about when capital constitutes itself as a human community. The process starts out with the fragmentation and destruction of human beings, who are then restructured in the image of capital; people are turned into capitalist beings, and the final outcome is that capital is anthropomorphised. The domestication of humanity is closely bound up with another phenomenon which has intensified even further the passivity of human beings: capital has in effect "escaped". Economic processes are out of control and those who are in a position to influence them now realize that in the face of this they are powerless: they have been completely outmanoeuvered. At the global level, capital's escape is evident in the monetary crisis;[1]overpopulation, pollution and the exhaustion of natural resources. The domestication of humanity and the escape of capital are concepts which can explain the mentality and activity of those who claim to be revolutionaries and believe that they can intervene to hasten the onset of revolution: the fact is that they are playing roles which are a part of the old world. The revolution always eludes them and when there is any kind of upheaval they see it as something external to them, which they have to chase after in order to be acknowledged as "revolutionaries".

>>14853746
you sound confused. noumena is just things that we can't percieve directly. metaphysical principles. sometimes, these are studied as anthropomorphized entities (see Gnon). the way this is done is a sort of coloring-around-the-territory. in some sense, yes, capitalism as an entity is becoming more close to noumena, because deterritorialization is a movement towards it. I think the way you put it you seem a bit confused about the entire thing.

>>14853748
So what is it? Explain to me what the outside is.

>>14853764
All the movements of the left and right are functionally the same in as much as they all participate in a larger, more general movement towards the destruction of the human species. Whether people stay confined within certain obsolete strategies and forms, or whether they submit to the mechanisms of technology -either way the result is the same. Historically, the categories of left and right seem to emerge as a duality at the beginning elf the nineteenth century when the capitalist mode of production was beginning to exert its real domination over the process of production, and was becoming a true social force. Thus certain people like Carlyle found themselves in opposition to the apologists of capital, [5] but it was left to Marx to go further: he affirmed the necessity of developing productive forces (and therefore science and technology as well), and at the same time denounced their negative effects on people in the immediate situation. But he thought that all this would eventually lead to a contradiction such that the development of productive forces would no longer be possible without the destruction of the capitalist mode of production. Thereafter these forces would be directed by people themselves, and alienation would cease to exist. But this was to presuppose that capital would not be able to become truly autonomous, that it could not escape from the constraints of the social and economic base on which it is built: the law of value, the exchange of capital and labour power, the rigorous general equivalent (gold), and so on.

By simply having interiorized the social base on which it is built, capital has become autonomous, from which point it has then been able to make its escape. The headlong plunge of its development over a number of years has now let loose grave dangers for humanity and for the whole of nature. Not even the keen-witted experts and the droning old bores can remain aloof any longer from the dangers that now confront us. To a certain degree, they are even obliged to join in the company of those who talk in terms of an apocalyptic future. The apocalypse is fashionable because our world is nearing its end, a world in which human beings, in spite of all the evidence of their weakness and degradation, had always remained the norm, the reference point of the world. But having been presented with the fact that God is dead, we now hear the proclamation of the death of the human being. Both God and humans yield in turn to science, which is at once the goddess and servant of capital: science presents itself in today's world as the study of mechanisms of adaptation which will assimilate human beings and nature into the structure of capital's productive activity. All the signs indicate that it is those who are least destroyed as people, and particularly young people, who now find themselves unable to accept this onslaught of adaptation and domestication; hence they are impelled to refuse the system.

>>14853758
kek

>>14853771
This says more than Land, in much simpler terms, all while having clear definitions. Why the fuck should I read the druggie academic ripoff version?

>>14853728
>capital's "intelligence" (i.e. its ability to win games)
What games is it winning?

>>14853765
It's banter retards.

>>14853630
>Accelerationism isn't programmatic
okay
>very condition for capitalist detteritorilization
so that's the program
>1 million immigrants
which has what to do with capital?
>viruses spiraling out of control
which has what to do with capital?
>viruses spiraling out of control targeting human security systems
capital what? what human security systems?
>meme warfare
hopefully it understands memes better than you
>affecting 1st world elections
oh no please not that
>Meltdown
niggers licking ice cream with no seals again noooooooooooo
>we have seen nothing yet
why not shut up then
>out of control capital relations
ah machinic ah are we faster than the sun yet?
>day by day transform social life to such an extent
yeah no, marxists have been saying that for 200 years, if change is a constant there is no change
>We will live in an era where videogames and simulation are blue collar jobs
lmao
>We will live in an era where videogames and simulation are blue collar jobs
where's the capital? where's the acceleration?
>Wikileaks
havoc of the already known oh noooooooo please not that aaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh the desert of sameness nooooooooo pleease staaahhhpppppp
>icing on the cake
most beautiful chocolate cake?
>huge capital expansion
which means what?
>China in reality is old news
so the more things stay the same the more you become irrelevant why do you think that is?
>The thesis of CCRU isn't just correct, its our reality now
socratic totalitarianism? you're relly that upset by logic?
>you are an HIV+ hooker with a highly cinematic 9mm handgun icing Turing cops
doubt.gif
>omg filename
meltdown.jpg

>>14853790
the game of means of production

>>14853802
>>>/reddit/

>>14853808
So capital decided on its own to pack up and leave america?

>>14853809
accfags can't accuse anyone of reddit

>>14853812
anon you keep trying to talk in these short little gotcha quips. just make a real arguement. do you mean "why is America outsourcing their labor?" because the answer to that is it's more efficient. the method of outsourcing "wins"

>>14853768
well, first of all, only way to know exactly is to get there. what exactly waits us we don't know, because being there will be entirely alien to us.
deleuze described it as "reaching the horizon". it's basically altering the mode of how we exist and relate to this world in such a dramatic manner that our fundamental experience of the world changes.
is it communism?
Is it becoming a taoist sage?
is it becoming a cyborg with time dilation chips?
is it shit posting on four chan to bring about a cultural revolution?

>>14853816
I just did faggot, go back

>>14853822
>just make a real arguement
Right after you.
How does outsourcing win when the process of decentralisation is centralised and then subject to a catastrophic event which then produces a feedback loop for all the parties involved? It was literally used as a tool, forced against its own nature to be used in a completely unnatural way. Meaning it had no power because it was subjugated.
In other words, 80% of the world's production to be shut down, possibly 90% or more soon, the monetary control mechanism faces collapse, as does the entire means of production and mobilisation.
Brother, can you spare some capital?
Russia: No.

Where is the winning in one of the biggest fuckups of all time? How does capital gain an advantage here> And remember, no short quips and gotchas, which you normally love so much.

>>14853824
So you know nothing about it but insist it is truth.
Slippery Noumena.

>>14853851
>How does outsourcing win when the process of decentralisation is centralised and then subject to a catastrophic event which then produces a feedback loop for all the parties involved?
what are you talking about

>>14853822
If capital seeks to end humanity why does its logic follow that of the runaway human ego?

>>14853870
The argument is that capital is a decentralising force.
However, through outsourcing all of its worldly power (yeah i know the noumenalised capital remains completely unaffected!) it is centralised, and thus fragile.
Its fragility allows it to be subject to any catastrophic event. What then is the game that it wins? The noumenalised commodity returns from the repressed future?

capital wins

it just wins

ok

>>14853790
Dilation.

>>14853822
All this talk about winning games, but you play like faggots. Sitting in a corner trying to exploit the objective for your stats.
That's not winning games, that's being a fag and losing.

>>14853882
> Marx termed the twofold movement of the tendency to a falling rate of profit, and the increase in the absolute quantity of surplus value, the law of the counteracted tendency. As a corollary of this law, there is the twofold movement of decoding or deterritorializing flows on the one hand, and their violent and artificial reterritorialization on the other.
first, the argument is that accelerationism comes in waves, and that de/reterritorializations always accompany one another. second, Deleuze doesn't means "decentralization" when he says deterritorialization (although decentralization could be a means of deterritorialization). third, capital is outsourced all over the planet, how centralized do you think this is? most of Africa, South America, and Asia is to this day being raped by capitalism, what central point do you see in peril danger? fourth, if capitalism is replaced the conversation changes, but acc only dies if it gets replaced by something less efficient at producing technocapital (the world is set back in technological progress/momentum). Mark Fisher was an accelerationist that thought capitalism was too slow and needed to be replaced with something more efficient. Nick Land says he would be fine with capitalism being replaced if the momentum of production keeps up, he's just highly highly skeptical anything of the sort will ever come about.

>>14853857
Epistemology is a murky place. Now, I think the best argument against this skepticism act is to say that my philosophies outperform your philosophies. Radical skepticism just doesn't produce many useful things. Nor do I insist on Capital T Truth. I insist on a set of tools which allow you to solve many issues that we are facing right now.

>>14853944
None of that answers the questions.
But anyway. Why is it called accelerationism then? Just for marketing? If it's just progress then why all the fuss about trannies etc.?
>if we lose then we just attach ourselves to whatever's winning
It's just a cope in process. Thanks for admitting it.

>>14853783
This

Why are we talking about Marx? You said Land destroyed Marx.

>>14853944
How about the tendency of the rate of moving the goalposts?

>>14853970
the question, at its most basic, is "what is deterritorialization and what produces it?" capitalism produces more of it than any other system in history, some think this means it's at the stage to finally overcome that Deleuzian "horizon" the other anon mentioned, others (read, communists) like Mark Fisher think there will be a new stage of human production which will surpass the production of deterritiorialization produced by capitalism. if there is a new stage of human production which surpasses capitalism which is less productive, or if we hit some sort of insurpassable technological or deterritoriological limit, then its over for acc. acc suggests the opposite, that we haven't seen anything yet.

>>14853990
Tendency of the rate of profit to cope

>>14854008
>"what is deterritorialization and what produces it?"
Why not answer this question first?

>>14854023
this is the entire project of accelerationism, people are writing books right now trying to answer it. it's like asking someone to complete the system of German enlightenment before they explain Hegel to you.

>>14854023
>>14854023
It's grey goo becoming grey goo. And if it's not grey goo then that's only because it is becoming grey goo.

>>14854033
So DG weren't right?

Acc is literally a Satanic mind virus powered by demonic magic.

>>14854054
I don't know what you mean

>>14854147
I think he means Deleuze and Guattari.

>>14854154
I don't know why he thinks people studying a concept Deleuze and Guattari came up with would imply Deleuze and Guattari were wrong

>>14853783
answer

>>14854215
Why is their version of deterr insufficient/wrong/not enough?

>>14854074
Or just pseud faggotry

>>14854008
>its over for acc
Holy fuck. An accfag just admitted they could be wrong.
Shit must be getting really bad out there.

>>14853278
It means the threat is over. China defeated the virus.

follow me on twitter

>>14855285
Me too

>>14853764
>>14853771
>>14853783
accfags btfo

>>14855314
shut the fuck up justin murphy

>>14855332
When capital loses

>>14855340
what is the difference between justin murphy and mcrumps? who the fuck are these people and can they please fuck off of my timeline?

>>14838003
Dilation as deterritorialization. Has anyone written on this neo-topic? Coronachan is hyperstitional!

>>14855283
how?
they're still wearing suits to protect themselves and those are still corona patients

>>14855379
>Basically, instead of orgone energy humans use dilation energy to release capital into an hormone singularity which will create One Big Tranny swallowing the universe.
>The teleoplexical rail gun opens up a permanent dilation for all worshipers of capital (non-human by the way).

The markets are currently dilating to prevent people from realising that the economy has been subsumed by something much greater than capital.

>blocks your economy
nothng personnell

>>14855428
Capital wins. You can't stop it.

It's deterritorialization, intelligence manufacture.

Virus is part of it.

At least their roads generally look spaceous unlike elsewhere in Asia and Europe.

>>14855520
They're banning ok boomer. I bet Land spammed complaints for the past year.

>>14854989
Nick won't respond to that and the other two are in discord with him.

>>14838133
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what is so futuristic about them

>>14854994
what are you talking about all these acc fags are Deleuzian they suck his dick every chance they get

>>14855205
anon, I keep telling you that you are arguing against strawmen, 10 months of autism and you couldn't even figure out how to prove acc wrong. now someone literally laid it out for you, do you think you might attempt a crumb of an argument against it yet?

>>14855936

>>14855848
lmao

>>14855936
>>14853764

>>14856066
what in that post is an argument against acc?

>>14853280
And yet your idea of intelligence is the same as money printing.
Funny that. Is twooting just inflation on intelligence?

>>14856105
>And yet your idea of intelligence is the same as money printing
quote where you read this idea

>>14856083
>>14853783

>>14856129

>>14856231
it doesn't say more than Land. you don't even know what Land says so how are you even supposed to make that judgement. you aren't actually trying, right? this is just bait or larp or memeing or something?

>>14856367
>>14853333
>me you i i i to me i i i i i to me to me to me
dumbest

fucking

cunt

on

4

chan

>>14843531
Don't forget

>>14855936
You got fucked by the Socrates of the meme war. Time to turn over your posting privileges

>>14856917
>the Socrates of the meme war

>>14855936
You misunderstand the nature of our hyper-predicament, this' a hyperstitional neo-girardian affair, non-servium. Comprende, nuevo-hombre?

>>14841063

>>14856251
What are some Landian films? Kinda wrong board for it but I wish to know some more.

>>14857101
Terminator, the Thing, in the Mouth of Madness

>>14838133
/biz/ BTFO eternally

>>14857047
When do we enter neoneotimelessnesslessnessneotimetimehypertime?

>>14856367
Ok, what does Land say more than that? >>14853764
Spell it out for us neotards.

>>14853764
Camette is introductory reading for acc theory

>>14857198
so you didn't even read the introduction to your own shitty ideology

>>14857085
({¡})

>>14857216
what did he mean by this

>>14857589
what did xer mean by xhis

>>14857124
/biz/ knows the market is full of shit, no one on there actually buys into invisible hand nonsense

>>14857755
There are lots of idiots there too.
>>14855936
You were btfo by multiple people. Happens in almost every thread.

>>14855932

>>14855543
what
>>14855545
i thought needlessly wide spacious roads was a burgerpunk thing like a whore's vagina ends up after bbc

>>14857821
still waiting on an argument against acc

These posts didn't age well.

>>14858206
>>14856573

And there it is. Limits reached.
It's over for acc.

>>14858555
Hell is coming.

>>14838166
>>>/x/

>>14858555
good riddance