/lit/ - Literature

>>14793275
>Are there materials that could forever fuck up the way you process or view things
Yes, but only if you are a midwit or below

bible

>>14793275
It can be if the person generally doesn't read and is stuck in a bubble. So basically has a low resistance and no antidote.

>>14793320
You're describing the majority of people and for safety and insecurity I'm gonna assume I'm a midwit.

>>14793275
Yes, readers of 20th century french theory are more likely to commit suicide, more likely to engage in cuckoldry, be transgender, not have kids, and are very likely to experience severe depression.

These are just the facts, make of them what you will.

>>14793275
Yes, but they can also lead to self actualization.

Anything that tears down your paradigms/meta narratives can cause A LOT of distress; Baudrillard is an amazing example of it.

I suggest reading French Theory(primarily Baudrillard and Foucault) alongside Perennial Philosophy (Evola, Guénon, Devi.)

>>14793275
Modern mass-market media is the only real intellectual poison. Superhero films, Westerns, action movies, rap music etc. - all which stifles the mind and subdues the senses if over-consumed.

>>14793275
There's no one text. It's more like a big pile of texts that compound into AAAAAAA I'M GOING INSANE over a period of time. Anyone worth a damn outgrows it, though. It goes roughly like this:
>discover science at young age
>get hooked and resolve to learn as much as you can
>gradually realize through your adolescence/early adulthood that the natural laws of the universe undermine, if not completely invalidate much of the presuppositions that were at the bedrock of your ideals and beliefs
>eventually hit a wall of existential dread and feel yourself shatter in slow-motion across weeks, months, even years
>become a nihilist and fellate every bleakest possible perspective in a vain attempt to feel like you're so witty you've risen above the world that's driven you into your current despair
>eventually get around to reading through philosophy, psychology, and history to fill the gaping void
>gradually begin to look inward and find all thing things you lost in the external world
>eventually realize that IRL existential horror itself has become quaint and pedestrian to you
>settle into a gentle awe and general sense of contentment with the universe and your undeniable ignorance of it

>>14793380
>Superhero films
Why don’t you like the Avengers?

>>14793392
For the same reason you (presumably) don't like eating trash off the floor.

>Why don’t you like the Avengers?

>>14793402
>>14793404
It’s funny, entertaining, and has good moral messages. I don’t get what the issue is?

Is your argument literally “it’s popular therefore bad”?

>>14793389
Read Guénon and/or Evola, and stop being a bitch.

>>14793275
It's not poison necessarily, but there are some ideas that will forever taint your thought once imbibed.
The preeminent of these must be Hegel. Once history is seen as a inevitable developmental process of human spirit with an inherent teleology, the idea is difficult to escape. The very ideas that there is a direction to history, an arc of moral progress, a "right side of history" all come from this. It's very difficult to even see history in other than such terms once exposed to the idea. Can you even picture history as circular? Hegel takes the cycles and turns them into an upward spiral. Can you really even imagine a history without this upward motion, purely marching around the same point forever? You really can't even imagine such a thing, reasonable as it is. Hegel's idea is too subversive.
It of course need not be said that the NRx redpill is exactly what you describe. You can't unsee the Cathedral once you see it.
Those are the two "stickiest" ideas I know of. For me, I think Lasch/The Last Psychiatrist's ideas about narcissism are quite sticky and hard to avoid, but I think that's more me (and many others on this board) and less the stickiness of the idea in general.

>>14793417
>good moral messages
like what?

>>14793392
Not him and boring cinematography and characters aside...

What is it really about? A rich guy fighting outlandish threats instead of dealing with poverty? Solving conflicts by punching and usage of plot devices?
I don't mind the Thor movies thought since specially with the latter ones everyone involved got it's a trashy story and just focuses on the dumb fun.

>>14793417
It is the spearhead of bastardisation of culture. Mass produced, easily digestable and very forgetable. Only purpose of Marvel movies is to be churned out as fast as possible to generate profit, by trying to hit key audiences and different demographics with the current popular moral and messages.

>>14793417
"Status quo is pretty rad" isn't a good message, bruv.

>>14793431
>>14793440
>>14793447

https://www.quora.com/What-moral-and-life-lessons-can-we-learn-from-Avengers-Infinity-War

>inb4 “it’s quora therefore irrelevant”
Don’t be an NPC

>>14793429
In a similar vein, Freud and Jung's psychoanalysis is another very sticky idea which has had the entire world Oedipalising themselves for the last century. People cannot function now without some inherent reliance on the model of the stratified mind.

>>14793452
>don't let your emotions cloud your judgement
Yet the Avengers allow emotions to entirely cloud their judgement in murdering Thanos and refusing to actually acknowledge that his actions are entirely pragmatic and practical in preventing intragalactic poverty and maximising utility. What actually is the Avenger's plan for when the galaxy inevitably becomes over-populated and what happened on Titan repeats itself?

>>14793464
Idk, I didn’t watch the last two movies.

>>14793469
You played me like a damn fiddle!!!

>>14793477
Because you are an NPC faggot, lol

>>14793452
>Thanos’ victory and the heroes’ loss is based on willpower and sacrifice.
Bullshit. He won due being physically stronger. Their only chance at stopping him was sacrifice but it would still end up with them dying due pissing him off and him needing longer for his plan.

>Don’t do things without a plan
They had a decent plan and could've won if Quin didn't freak out for no reason. On the other hand, Thanos planning was "sitting back and then just doing things himself due superior power"

>Don’t let your emotions cloud your judgement
Fine, that counts.

>>14793464
His plan didn't do shit but roll back the time a bit at a ridiculous cost. Seeing the earth after he won, not much happened about poverty either. Almost like poverty isn't an issue of numbers but structures.

Also the whole shit was idiotic, since he could've done something about resources ... and generally, given space travel and harvesting the energy of stars, it's simply not a realistic "big issue" in their world. Him doing it to get laid would've made much more sense.

>>14793429
Hegel is metaphysics

You might as well say once christ enters your heart, or knowledge of the platonic forms irrevocably changes a persons life forever. These things dont shock everyone

How are ideas even real just stop stop thinking about the Absolute ahahahah

>>14793484
No need to be rude, I am not a faggot
>>14793509
Every conservative measure is just a matter of rolling back time. There's nothing to suggest that Thanos couldn't have just continually culled the galaxy's population to keep it at a sustainable level. Poverty is absolutely an issue of numbers - there is only a finite amount of resources. These resources can be distributed effectively to stem poverty, but eventually the sheer weight of a population will cause exhaustion of resources. And before you say, 'why didn't he just create more resources?', I ask you, why didn't the Avengers do that after they beat him? It's not that they saw a better method for stemming poverty, they preferred simply to ignore the problem. It is perfectly analogous to Man's current approach to climate change: sacrifice, but not too much!

So is the general moral here that you can avoid intellectual poison by exposing yourself to as many viewpoints as possible and just keep being thirsty for knowledge or? I'm always worried about being open enough that I end up accepting retarded ideas or things based on misconception, false information, or fallacy. But that makes me worried i will be so guarded that i dismiss ideas that are actually important as just being retarded.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA IM GOING INSANE

>>14793565
>I am not a faggot
>continues to debate about the avengers
If you consume product (even to hate watch it) it was made for you, NPC.

>>14793275
I'm sure there's plenty of 'how the sausages are made that break people's innocence but I doubt if there is a single fact that can forever fuck people up.

Perhaps if undeniable evidence for G-d got out, that there could be a ripple of fear through the masses but thats Lovecraft in essence.

>>14793275
There's bad trips that can fuck with the way you perceive reality. You'd be sober but paranoid. I think I experienced that, almost. Definitely something that could alter you forever.

>>14793512
Hush now well red boy let the theorymites play

>>14793587
I'm thinking more like reading something, being a brainlet, and accepting it as fact. So you should be guarded against retarded ideas but then you might be overly critical and dismiss things easily. How does one stay open but reasonably critical/anylitical, especially with abstract shit like philosophy, economic theory, faith, classics like 1984 or dostoyevsky

>>14793581
I'm probably far better read than you, and it's unsurprising that someone so dull would find it impossible to be able to critique something they dislike, instead of merely shouting 'this sucks!'

>>14793512
I've never read anything so pseud in my life.
>[thing] is metaphysics
Christ, please stop posting.

>>14793587
>Perhaps if undeniable evidence for G-d got out, that there could be a ripple of fear through the masses but thats Lovecraft in essence.
That type of phenomenon is experiential, not found via books.

>>14793596
Psychedelics can cause these experiences, especially if performed in a ritual.

>>14793606
>I read more books than you
>quantity is my argument
Cringe and bluepilled.

>>14793630
Not him but Hegel is literally metaphysics. What's pseud about saying that?

>>14793565
>There's nothing to suggest that Thanos couldn't have just continually culled the galaxy's population to keep it at a sustainable level.
Is he immortal?

>there is only a finite amount of resources
On a galactic level it doesn't matter since there are still more than enough unless certain people would try to monopolize these and keep others destitute. We saw them fucking harnessing energy from a star, getting into an issue with numbers would take eons from that position.

>It is perfectly analogous to Man's current approach to climate change: sacrifice, but not too much!
Given how it panders to liberal values, that seems pretty perfect actually ... though the more likely reason is that the entire conflict was just ass and the writers never took it seriously. It could've worked if it was on an alternative earth and they lacked technology to solve the problems, AND distribution wasn't the main issue.

>>14793633
I'm the last you responded to. Wtf are you talking about?

>>14793634
It's ridiculous to say something 'is metaphysics'. Everything is metaphysical, there is nothing that isn't metaphysical. I'm not even sure what the anon is trying to imply by distinguishing the dialectic as metaphysical.

Just found a schopenhauer quote that perfectly describes what I'm trying to convey in this thread"

"It is in literature as in life: wherever you turn, you stumble at once upon the incorrigible mob of humanity, swarming in all directions, crowding and soiling everything, like flies in summer. Hence the number, which no man can count, of bad books, those rank weeds of literature, which draw nourishment from the corn and choke it. The time, money and attention of the public, which rightfully belong to good books and their noble aims, they take for themselves: they are written for the mere purpose of making money or procuring places. So they are not only useless; they do positive mischief. Nine-tenths of the whole of our present literature has no other aim than to get a few shillings out of the pockets of the public; and to this end author, publisher and reviewer are in league."

>>14793606
>1984

>>14793640
>Is he immortal?
With the stones, he possesses practically unlimited power, I'm sure immortality is a walk in the park.
>>14793640
>On a galactic level it doesn't matter since there are still more than enough unless certain people would try to monopolize these and keep others destitute.
That's a fair point, but Thanos had witnessed his own planet's destruction due to lack of resources, so it's not a wild assumption to say that there are technological limitations which mean the finitude of resources is a very real problem for large parts of the galaxy.

I agree with you on your last point.

>>14793275
I was bit and basically your life becomes a sitcom I don't know how else to explain it without contaminating this thread.

>>14793642
You wouldn’t get it.

>>14793606
>1984
Midwit.

>>14793654
"Let me mention a crafty and wicked trick, albeit a profitable and successful one, practised by littérateurs, hack writers, and voluminous authors. In complete disregard of good taste and the true culture of the period, they have succeeded in getting the whole of the world of fashion into leading strings, so that they are all trained to read in time, and all the same thing, viz., the newest books; and that for the purpose of getting food for conversation in the circles in which they move. This is the aim served by bad novels, produced by writers who were once celebrated, as Spindler, Bulwer Lytton, Eugene Sue. What can be more miserable than the lot of a reading public like this, always bound to peruse the latest works of extremely commonplace persons who write for money only, and who are therefore never few in number? and for this advantage they are content to know by name only the works of the few superior minds of all ages and all countries. Literary newspapers, too, are a singularly cunning device for robbing the reading public of the time which, if culture is to be attained, should be devoted to the genuine productions of literature, instead of being occupied by the daily bungling commonplace persons.

Hence, in regard to reading, it is a very important thing to be able to refrain. Skill in doing so consists in not taking into one’s hands any book merely because at the time it happens to be extensively read; such as political or religious pamphlets, novels, poetry, and the like, which make a noise"

>>14793606
>1984

>>14793320
Fuck off bpd god

>>14793663
>>14793657
I haven't even read it but merely suggested it because I know its popular. It could contain retarded ideas but everyone thinks it is profound

>>14793668
>>14793663
>>14793657
So 1984 is the trigger word? Get over yourselves

>>14793671
>everyone thinks
>muh quantity
Read “Reign of Quantity” by Guénon (pbuh)

>>14793681
>trigger word
Jordan Peterson fan detected

>>14793355
based

>>14793646
>Everything is metaphysical
*punches you in the face*

>>14794204
Still metaphysical, cope.

>>14794281
I can reject Hegelian dialectics but I can't reject the oxygen I breathe into my lungs

This is the distinction. I assume you think Hegel is right about everything though

>>14794307
v ironic post

>>14794310
why?

>>14793275
Schizo texts do just that if you think about them for too long.
You try to understand it, you reshape your thought patterns to those of the schizo (as you understand them), you start thinking in his therms and boom! Shakalaka, you are now writing about fucking Nibiru prostitution prices like a broken chatbot with 1/3 of the words missing.
Alternatively, practically anything of substance if you are a midwit.

>>14793429
history having a direction is a christian idea, anon, and it existed long before hegel

>>14794370
you'll never know

>>14794482
was it hegelian?

>>14793389
>>eventually get around to reading through philosophy, psychology, and history to fill the gaping void

Poetry is especially good in this stage, as it is a fine distillation of all those.

>>14794405
oh no--you've been poisoned too

>>14793275
Anti-Oedipus if you read it to much and think about it too long

Most likely but I feel like psychosis really fucked up my way to approach reality.
Drug can too, I took salvia divinorum once and it changed me forever.
I wasn't prepared to experience ego death on new year's Eve, I only rarely took weed, something like this was unexpected.

>>14794498
*faintly, as if carried by the wind* ...never ...know

>>14793355
Literally the only time I talk about being and nothingness or exigesis of pkd is how they made me feel mentally ill.

>>14794405
Jewish idea, actually

>>14793275
Its very common lol, but ur probably already ahead of it. Many people get stuck on their first book, say Marx or Nietsczhe. Thing is, they kinda take the perspective they are reading about and take it for an answer. This becomes their default and compare everything up to communism/nihilism(could be whatever). But yeah, the first books are the scariest, i feel like so many people always adopt their first books ideology.

>>14793429
a fellow TLP poster, I see. You would recommend Lasch then to someone who is interested about narcissism?

The Culture of Critique

>>14794652
As a TLP man through-and-through I finally got around to reading The Culture of Narcissism a few months ago. Coming from TLP there's nothing really revelatory in it, I don't think, but it's an easy enough read and enjoyable for any fan of the blog. Some slightly different perspectives on the whole phenomenon than TLP brings--Lasch sees the modern economy taking parents out of the home as a major contributor, for instance. Give it a go, it'll be good for you. It's wide-ranging in its scope, while TLP is more narrow and deep in his analysis of individual cases.

>>14793417
It's funny if you're 12-15. The morals are also appealing to this age range.

They wrote themselves into a corner so they had Thanos destroy the stones. They then did time travel. Do you consider yourself a grown child? If you don't, then rethink yourself.

>>14793275
Yes.
Never let your ego guide your decisions.
Always humble yourself before tools and texts you do not fully comprehend, for if you do not fully comprehend their contents, you do not comprehend their consequences.