/lit/ - Literature

>>14763628
Is this the STEM power flag?

You know it’s hard to be an oppressed minority like a mathematician anon, it’s going to be hard for you out there.

>>14763628
Get real, get a degree and study humanities in your free time.
It's a hobby / selfdevelopment thing which you shouldn't try to make your occupation.
Or go ahead and do it anyways idc goodluck fag.

>>14764258
Listen to him, OP. You can read books in your free time once you have a job

Imagine sitting down and planning out an entire life of wage slavery
>maybe I’ll take this path to oppression. No, I think I’ll take this path
Yikes

>>14764283
>no MOM the internet told me I don’t need money because I’m an aristocrat of the soul
good luck kid

>>14764283
Good luck

>>14764283
You would be doing that anyway if you became a phil major. At least make a lot of money when your wage slaving, don't get a useless degree.

Just marry someone who makes enough so that you don’t have to work at all

Undergrad is unbelievably easy, there is no real reason a person can’t just double major in two unrelated things. Especially considering one of those majors is English (one of the easiest humanities), adding a pure math or economics major would not be difficult

I slogged through a STEM degree that I didn’t want and it didn’t really get me anywhere anyway. It’s not the end of the world, but I wish I had the courage to do those things I was drawn towards but was afraid to do when I was your age.

>>14764367
If you’re going to add a major for practicality, those are two of the worst you could add.

>>14764258
This dude right here b spittin truth tho'

>>14763628
>study the humanities
There is nothing to 'study'. All that means is poring over someone else's work in a desperate attempt to make it seem productive or meaningful. STEM degrees may be financially viable, but in terms of pure logic nothing is more genuinely meaningful than mathematics. Alternatively, any one of the sciences is infinitely more valuable than attempting to get a degree in something a layman can do or realize without a degree.

>>14763628
based Anon. don't listen to these losers. It's really not hard to find a job with an english degree, at least not as impossible as these washed out stemfags claim it to be. You just have to not suck.

You can do things your way and live a sustainable meaningful life.

>>14764861
>All that means is poring over someone else's work in a desperate attempt to make it seem productive or meaningful.
No.

>>14763628
based

>>14764325

Based and mommy pilled

>>14763628
Do you happen to be a fan of the video game Pharaoh (1999)?

>>14763628
English departments are pozzed to hell with identity politics bullshit. Philosophy departments are the only branch of the humanities that have remained pure so far, and that resistance is on its last legs. The barbarians are at the gates.

Studied English and history at a Canadian university and now I’m working towards a law degree. Don’t be afraid to get an English degree, but be sure to have a solid idea as to what you want to do with it.

>>14763628
>Only worthwhile pursuit economically
Citation needed

>>14763628
I scratched muh humanities Itch with my elective courses while studying engineering. I didn't take a single "useful" elective. Just decadent humanities shit. I don't regret it seeing how bored all the business minors and absolute bird course takers were.

Not worth it. I love philosophy but hate the philosophy department at my school so I just read on my own. It's more fun to just do whatever you want. You are going to end up reading stuff in the humanities you don't even enjoy and it will likely kill your passion for it.

>>14763628
If you get an English degree in the current climate you aren't going to get the classics. Or you'll get very few of them. What you'll absolutely get is a lot of neoliberal political indoctrination, which you'll have to undo.

Get the STEM, read great books on your own time, and don't let any fat fucking nigger lesbians tell you what to think about them.

t. BA in English & History

>>14765080

>>14765134
>You are going to end up reading stuff in the humanities you don't even enjoy and it will likely kill your passion for it.
This is absolutely the fucking case. In the English department there will be countless hours of critical theory. That's not even a meme. It's boring. It fucks with your head and enjoyment of literature. It's indoctrination into a shitty system of political morality that makes no sense. You are incentivized to lay the white guilt on thick in your papers.

For what? Nothing. Nothing you can do with an English degree will pay the cost of that degree. Student debt is non-dischargable. You cannot declare bankruptcy to void the loan.

In college and university you can take courses outside your major. You can audit courses that interest you, thus bypassing the prereqs. Go through the English department's catalog every semester. Pick something that actually interests you. Enjoy it without pressure, guilt, or shame.

>>14763628
Don't do an English degree. They make you read a bunch of trash. Go with the Classics degree. You won't regret it.

>>14764283
It's wage slavery or abject poverty and starvation.

>>14764861
>nothing is more genuinely meaningful than mathematics
>yeah, that fucking objects has identity property... why boner
fuck off to >>>/sci/ nigger

>>14763628
Study the Humanities or study STEM. You will regret it either way.

>>14765106
why would u study Husserl?

Reminder that you degree subject doesn't matter outside of things like medicine and it's more about the prestige of your school. Imagine thinking some STEM degree (a lot of stem don't even have good employment options it's only a few specifc ones so lumping it together is dumb) from some no name school is better than studying classics at oxbridge or another top tier school.

>>14765975
>Imagine thinking some STEM degree (a lot of stem don't even have good employment options it's only a few specifc ones so lumping it together is dumb) from some no name school is better than studying classics at oxbridge or another top tier school.
Yes it is.

>>14765980
Imagine actually thinking this
>why yes my biology degree from northampton is more valuable than any humanities degree from oxford

>>14766001
Yes. Prestige alone won't make you rich. The world has changed.

>Study humanities
>Teach yourself to be a low level code monkey
>Talk to the computer for boomer money
>If you're actually smart you may even become a mid-range code monkey

>>14765935
>coping this hard
Dont you have some McDonalds to be serving?

>live in burgerstan
>your choices are study STEM or live in poverty
Try living somewhere that isn't a fucking shithole

>>14766047
like what?

>>14766049
Europe

>>14766052
Where exactly? Portugal is not the same as France.

>>14766056
Literally anywhere outside of the really shitty EE countries like Serbia and Ukraine

>>14766060
So if you study Portuguese in Portugal you won't live in poverty?

>>14766072
Yes, no country in Europe has as crazy of a cost of living as USA outside of maybe some of northern countries and the swiss, also education is cheap or outright free in most european countries

>>14766052
It’s pretty much impossible for us Americans to just up and move to Europe.

>>14766162
just marry a euro cutie

>>14764500
not at all actually

assuming that the kid is at a top 10 uni math and econ are direct paths into banking and consulting

>>14766426
I have to disagree from experience and I think that’s a big assumption.

>>14763628
Based. I'm studying philosophy.

>>14766162
Its impossible for americans to up and move period LMAO

>>14763628
Just be ready to teach if you want a job...

>>14766621
Get that latte going on already, philoboy.

>>14763628
You have chosen the more difficult path. Good luck! You will need it...
;-)

>>14763638
we should genocide m*thfags

>>14764283
Isn't the point to skip over wage slavery by making your job some shit you would be doing anyway?

>>14763628
>>14766870
I have big respect for math. If I could do what I want, I'd like to have no job, and only go to college to study maths. Nothing to do when I get home, just think about that shit, and listen to music.

>>14764325
are you a girl?

Young people now have a totally backwards idea of life and it is their parents' fault. For decades parents have been telling kids that they can be whatever they want to be. That's bullshit. Nobody pays you to be what you want to be or to do what you want to do. They pay you to do what THEY want you to do.

The working life of a functional adult is about doing something useful for others, not stroking your own cock.

So forget your childish dream of living a totally self-indulgent life and start focusing on what you can do that is useful to others. And then learn to like it.

>>14767007
If everyone thought like this we'd have a 1000 doctors and 0 mailmen. You're fucking retarded and you're especially retarded because you thought you said something smart but you didnt lmao.

Software engineering faggot here just to say that humanities degrees are worthless. Computer programming and website building is so easy to get into if you're not an absolute brainlet. Just work a cushy office job to pay your bills and save all the rest of your money. If you're living in the modern world you've got to accept that everyone is just playing a silly little game and pretending it's how life should be. I say they can have it; in a few more years I'll have enough money to buy land in a remote mountain location and dislodge myself from the system once and for all.

>>14767135

>>14764500
While I disagree (econ strikes a good balance of code knowledge and statistical inference), my point was more that those are two relatively easy majors to add to a humanities major

>jobs
Lmao just buy a couple of dry cleaners or another anti fragile business and then invest in real estate once you start making good money. Every single person in my extended family never worked a salaried job they just bought and sold easy businesses and then became landlords. The concept of working for a boss and having a career is so foreign to me. They were immigrants who came from no money you have no excuses.

>>14767302
Being a suburban landlord is an awful ""career."" Sorry Ivan.

>>14767140
nice arch cleavage on that bitch

>>14763628
if you are a poster on 4chan you are not a good candidate for a humanities degree.
Getting a humanities degree in 2020 means submitting to idpol.
I know you think you'll be studying great works of art, but in reality you'll be spending the next 4 years writing essays on white oppression and the black experience and shit like that. It will probably be the most spiritually devastating thing you could do to yourself.

>>14767490
>career
You are so indoctrinated into wageslavery you literally cannot fathom or understand an existence outside of it except being born into wealth, you're a branded cow. Go to sleep you got to get up tommorow otherwise you'll lose that job, I'll enjoy collecting my monthly check from cucks like you paying rent and the passive income from my owned businesses. Feels nice being able to do whatever the fuck I want all day

>>14767549
>Getting a humanities degree in 2020 means submitting to idpol.
Is this a meme? I've yet to encounter any overt 'idpol'.

>>14766785

>>14767565
Post your university and I'll prove you wrong in a matter of minutes.

>>14763628
You can always do STEM later and doing English should give you a edge over stembugs for prospective employers.

>>14767552
Alternatively, faggot, some of us are interested in careers which both prevent us from being penniless artists drawing furry porn, and enrich us with knowledge of the world. Just a thought.

>>14767648
>enrich us with knowledge in the world
Wow didn't know you had to have a set schedule and a boss in order to get a library card and access to the internet
Hint: I can study and work in literally any field I want but do not have to rely on it's salary to pay my bills. This is all just a cope for your risk adversive, conformist personality. I don't really blame you though, you were probably raised by and around careerist salarymen. Look into investing and business ownership of you don't want to be a slave

>>14767549
Did you study the humanities then? I’m not trying to say you’re wrong, but I’m wary of anyone in these threads with no experience in what they’re talking about.

>>14766001
>>14765975
let me guess: still in school?

>>14769482
Pretty accurate in my professional work experience in banking. I’ve worked with people with degrees in classics, philosophy, and English. They all went to Ivy League schools. Many “careers” are simply a bourgeois social game and the kids who collect the most letters tend to win.

>>14767552
based as all hell

I’ve already received a degree and I resent both STEM and the University degree awarding system, but I’m seriously considering returning to study a humanities field just because I appreciate the material so much.

>>14763628
Dear anon,

I don't normally give advice, but I really feel I have to.

I really enjoyed maths. I wanted (and still want) to be a biomedical researcher. But I fell in love with literature, thanks in no small part to my gf. I thought of literature as though it were a vast and bottomless sea of ideas and that, sailing on perspicaciousness, sound reason, and passion, I could discover truth and meaning. I loved it; I was fully immersed and competitive too. But, even if I couldn't distinguish myself, I could at least fill my life with distinguished thinkers and depth of thought. I really wanted nothing more than to bask in my own reveries and contend with others'. I thought it would be a field which welcomed analytical minds and deliberation. I looked forward to tearing even simple sentences apart, stripping them to their essential components, finding their meaning therein. So yes, I even found grammatical pedantry and word games fun. Within weeks of starting my English Lit. degree, I realise how deeply perverted the academy was, how little they cared for truth and beauty, how blinded they were by prejudicial and political motivations, and how shallow the pool really was.

I became increasingly demoralised by how inconclusive humanities research was. I wanted to understand why the world of ideas was so captivating and how something as unassuming as ink on a page could be so profound a source of inspiration. Sure, I read some things that stay with me to this day. But, in all honesty, the only thing I really learned was how deeply confused the pedagogy was. We couldn't even agree on simple things like what makes a text influential... we spent weeks and weeks deconstructing the English canon only to conclude that the most renowned pieces of English literature were really just the most egregious examples of false-praise and that their influence was contemptible. That is is inappropriate to disregard authorial intent altogether, and commit ourselves to ahistorical analyses, should have been obvious to our professors. But it was expect of us. We were revolutionaries and revisionists in training. We killed beloved authors and danced on their graves.

My whole degree was like this. You can only stick your foot in so much before you become a confrontational annoyance. So, the best I could do was try to avoid it with elective modules. I expected more from a top UK uni., but this seems to be how things are. It's been like this for a long time, and still goes on to this day. I highly, HIGHLY recommend you pursue a STEM degree which will not only be more intellectually demanding and rewarding, but financially beneficial too.

>>14763628
Whichever degree you pursue, make sure you get a male guidance counselor. The female ones are utterly worthless.

I think STEM is a bit of a meme anyway, anon. It’s just the flavor of the month for a society that’s currently obsessed with technologically advanced consumer goods and fueling that with economics of delusion. It was the same with business degrees back in the 60s and 70s, which have largely deflated in worth or are worthless altogether. The only real University paths are law or medicine and their related fields. That’s how it’s been since the dawn of Universities in the Middle Ages and always will be. Everything else is the product of a delusional society that props up everything with gimmick tactics and debt. So, just know that if you pursue a humanities degree, you’re basically committing to law or some sort of clerical work as your formal career path.

>>14769621
The grass is always greener. You may have gotten a mostly bs “education” in the english canon, but the majority of STEM students have gotten no “education” in the english canon at all and never will. College is just a program to certify “you believe what we believe” whether it’s humanities or STEM.

>>14769651
>College is just a program to certify “you believe what we believe” whether it’s humanities or STEM.
humanitiesfag cope

>>14767302
do people not have their own dry cleaners where you're from?

>>14764258

Ultrabased post, humanities are cool only if done for personal growth.

>>14769671

However, in some countries, like mine, being graduated in foreign languages and literatures is financially comparable to a STEM degree. In that case, it is very recommended

>>14766785
based

>>14763628
>>14764258
You gais need to read Spengler. I'm not certain about English/modern/... literature, but fields such as philosophy and classics are more han worthy of having their own fields in academia. These fields run very deep and a devotion to their study, whilst perhaps trading off more lucrative career paths, is no shame.
That being said, we are witnessing the last days of fall in the West and our cultures have lost their creative/intellectual potential. Our capacity for understanding and appreciating great works is also dwindling and this shows in universities, where each new generation of professors either caters more to the trend of Socio-ethical, politicization (pomo stuff) of great thought, or shut themselves up in bubbles of overly-theoretical re-hashing of old ideas.
Yes, a humanities or philosophy degree would be worth persuing, but only if the proper ground for transmition would be around, which is not the case. So, OP, just persue financial independence if wage-earning in a field outside of your interests doesn't sound enjoyabe to you. It's a bit tragic, I know, but better than being dissilusioned later in life I guess.

>>14764283
You don't have way out of wage-slavery unless you've inherited good money, or if you're ok with living extremely frugally and scrambling together some income here and there. If you're smart and can plan ahead you'll be able to gain financial independence through wage-earning. What ends up enslaving people is conforming to consumerism>debt>loans>immobility.

>>14766870
math is better than philosophy

>>14763628
The only thing worth studying in humanities is Marx. But they don't teach that because they're a bunch of liberals. So get a STEM degree and read on the side.

>>14769907
>The only thing worth studying in humanities is Marx

>>14769937
You're just coping with the fact that I as a STEMfag figured out the endgoal of philosophy. Marxism just BTFO's everything and the rest is liberal academics trying to justify ther existance.

Just a warning to the humanities people, I got a meme social science degree from the liberal arts college. I’ve basically struggled to put together any semblance of a career since graduating. I recently turned to the Army and was told that they only want Officer candidates who have STEM degrees and decent GPAs for the foreseeable future. I admire the decision to study what you want, but not even the Army wants humanities degrees right now.

>>14763628
This is fucking fake and it has got to stop

I'm a stemfag finishing my bachelor's in a decent paying field but I'm becoming less interested in it every day. I have fallen in love with the reading and writing I've been doing on the side and am considering grad school. If you had the opportunity to get a fully funded MFA, would you do it? I'm afraid I would end up hating that too and be fucked by three years of no relevant employment if I went back to my old career path.

>>14770978
If you’ve already got a STEM degree with decent grades and and the MFA is fully funded, I don’t see why not. See my reply >>14770922
at least the military will take you if you get desperate.

>>14770922
Maybe I'm just completely retarded about how the military works but I was under the impression that they rarely turn anybody away as long as your record is clean and you can pass their training regimen.

>>14771270
That’s what I though, but it turns out that’s not how it works for Officers at least. They get more selective when they don’t need bodies so bad. The Army used to be one of the easier ones to commission, but they changed the process last year and now the word is they only want Engineers and URMs basically.

>>14765664
I agree, I would have liked to have done classics instead of science

>>14765204
based

>>14771401
just enlist bro

>>14766785
I'm an American and this made me LMAO

>>14771401
You could try to join a Guard branch, I have some family/friends who have been doing that recently in the Air Force. They might be less selective.

>>14771401
Same anon as >>14771609 , I also really don't know what I'm talking about to be fair so my advice is probably less than worthless.

>get stem degree
>get high paying job easily
>put 75% of your money into savings/index fund
>retire after 15 years
>spend the rest of your life studying philosophy without needing to find a job
it's literally that easy if you aren't a consumerist drone

>>14763628
Good luck OP. You're gonna have to work a hell of a lot harder if you want to make a career out of writing, but its definitely possible. Just remember you need to do more then just pass the courses. You're going to need to make your writing stand out from the pack.

>>14763628
>implying the majority of STEM degrees aren't just as useless as a lit, history or philosophy one
unless your studying medicine or advanced mechanics STEM is one of the most bloated markets in terms of graduates to job ratios, but that's basically the same everywhere

Can't I just get a B.S. in horticulture or some agricultural science, farm, and read philosophy under a tree or something on my off hours?

>>14771727
I genuinely mean when i say this, dont do horticulture as your specialisation, there's no jobs and the ones that do pay peanuts (because no one gives a fuck about plants outside of pharmaceutical uses) and are fought over like a pack of dogs over a chicken bone

>>14771621
Guard and Reserves are easier to get a commission, but that’s basically a less than part-time commitment, which comes with benefits but I really don’t see the point.

>>14771511
I thought about it, but honestly I think that’s kind of bullshit. I’m volunteering and I personally think I’m exactly the kind of person the Army should want as an Officer candidate but they’d rather pass up people like me to play politics so they can miss out as far as I’m concerned. It’s honestly a matter of principle for me at this point. I won’t volunteer to take scraps from a Military that doesn’t want me or appreciate my service. It’s also because I’m a bit older already and I’ve lived alone for a while so all of the shit that comes with being enlisted like living in the barracks, getting bossed around by 20 year olds would be that much harder to deal with.

>>14771652
there are plenty of well-paying but boring as fuck jobs for STEM (QA, testing, CAD modeling) there are very little jobs of any quality of humanities.

>>14771633
Still end up spending your youth slaving away. Those are the years you should be living, not studying.

>>14771790
Idk man, what makes you exactly the right man to have the lives of 40 men in your hands? A social science degree from a shitty college? I bet you never even tried to commission

>>14763628
Hey retard you know you can study english - get this - for free at home? You can just read books you stupid faggot. Who am I kidding. You are a retard. An absolute buffoon. Go ahead and waste all your money for LITERALLY nothing.

>>14771966
You sure you aren’t projecting a bit there? Anyway, thanks for the input.

>>14767135
I've never met a stemer who wasn't an absolute retard in anything other than stem

>>14769953
What happens after the revolution?

>>14771989
Kill

>>14767874
> look into investing and business ownership
> not conformist
You're gonna have to try harder than that.

>>14771966
Probably the same thing that qualified every officer in any military ever, which is namely age, education, and achievement in civilian life. Please stop with your post-9/11 American sheepdog bullshit like you know what you’re talking about.

>>14772202
I was more harsh than I should have been, I only mean that it is not something you should feel entitled to

>>14764258
/thread


The only logical answer. If you are like the 99% and are dependant on the next paycheck, go for something with high demand. Right now, it's STEM.

>>14764258
When I was younger I wouldn't have agreed with you, but now I do, unless you are an ultra autist that can obsessively work on anything outside the STEM field you will not make a penny, those ultra creative autists with no life can muster to gain money from those really interesting subjects everyone wishes they were masters at...

>>14771727
Avoid any and all environment related fields, unless they are Law related. It's funny because there are many jobs within that field that are critical, unfortunately everything real is handed over to people that are cross fielding, like civil engineers or chemists.

t. Forestry MSC working minimum wage

>>14767135
While you're right to say programming and web development is easy to get into I wouldn't advise getting into it unless you're a masochist. It's so incredibly boring, painfully boring, so unfulfilling, it all feels so pointless, you wake up wishing you were dead, and on top of that you have to work with other programmers. The pay is good but it's not worth it.

>>14765117
this. i am using my active duty military time to get a free history bachelor's, then using gi to get masters and move on to law school. I will maybe spend $8000 and have three degrees at the end of it.

OP, there is not set path in life, and you need to consider how you will feel at 50 y.o. with a STEM degree. Will you regret not having chosen a humanities degree? There are always options for whatever path you take in life. And for God's sake, don't listen to the NEETs telling you it's pointless. they wallow in depression and self-deprecation every moment of their pathetic lives

>>14764283
This but unironically. If you want to make money without having to wageslave for someone else then learn how to trade Forex. It takes ~3 years to become a decent trader if you stick with it, that's the same amount of time it takes to graduate university depending on the degree.

>>14770922
>Officer
Try not being a smug bitch. Go in as a pleb, they'll have you as long as you aren't handicapped.

>>14766056
They actually aren't all that different apart from minimum wage and job opportunities. They both have good socialist policies and they good care of their poorfags compared to the USA. With that said, Scandinavia would be a better place to move in since a lot more people there speak English.

>>14767552
the day of the rope is coming anon, and it's coming for the likes of you as well.

>>14766001
Biology is chem-lite and not a good major for that reason. Engineers carry the West’s service, public, and industrial sectors and make dosh. Agree on STEM being uneven and a retarded term but the T and E parts make cash.

>>14763628
Dude, if you want money, STUDY MONEY, no duh.

If you want to be a respected, intelligent member of society, go into STEM. If you want power, go into politics or law. If you want to go into Academia, study the arts. If you want fitness and inner strength, go into construction or the military. IF YOU WANT MONEY, WORK WITH MONEY. WOWOWOWOWOW, SO SHOCKING, NO WAY, WOOOOOOOOOOOOW, HOW CAN THIS BE?

Bankers, investors, businessmen, lenders, traders, salesmen, etc. etc. is where the REAL money is. Just owning a moderately successful plot in your local mall's food court is enough to bank you $250,000 a year, with no degree or schooling whatsoever. The only thing is, you need capital to get it off the ground in the first place.

You want money? WORK with money. What do you do now that you have all this money? Anything you fucking want. Study the arts, go into politics, read MAD Magazine, have sex with prostitutes. Does it really fucking matter? Just like having a car, with having money, you can do almost anything.

>>14771633

Based Divine post

>>14764283
Society has given to you, you should give back.
Quit whining and be an adult. Work isn't even bad anyway, the only people who complain about wageslavery are unskilled laborers or immature mummy's boy narcissists mad that they have responsibilities.
>>14764289
Based. These NEETs will learn the hard way.

>>14765106
>Be Psychotherapist/Relationship counselor
>Very good at my job
>I literally, LITERALLY cannot think of a single person who I did not "cure" in my 5 years of working as a pysch therapist
>Yes, I know "cure" is not particularly professional or academic language to be used lightly, but I don't give a fuck
>I straight up CURED people of their insecurities and faults, cause I'm fucking good at what I do
>Fuck you if you think I can't use the word "cured", cause I fucking miracle-healed people like I was the sweet Lord, Jesus Christ
>Get shit pay
>Get shit respect
>Nobody takes psychotherapy or couple's counseling seriously, because it's all just glorified pillow talk
>Have to babysit at the Y for extra cash
>All the teens and 18 year old coworkers think I'm just some dumb, 20-something loser meathead
>One of my coworkers purposely talks to me veeeeeeeeerrrrrryyyyyyy sloooooooooooowllllllyyyyyyyyyyy as a joke, and everyone laughs at it
>His relationship is practically doomed to fail, so fuck him, I'm not helping him with shit

Any other kinos about overualified schmucks who went into dead end careers and now get shit on by the world for it?

>>14771982
This but unironically.

No life skills like cooking, cleaning, or even driving (all STEMfags are, for some reason, shit drivers). Can't hold a conversation beyond vidya and STEM, can't attract girls, don't workout, don't follow sports, news, movies, or books. Can't sing. Can't dance. Can't fight. Selfish lovers.

STEMfags only know how to watch animu, play vidya, and do STEM shit. They have no freaking soul.

>>14774031
Cope

>>14765106

I would honestly become a drug dealer at that point.

>>14763628
Money isn’t important.

>>14765106
This guy could easily find work in heavy industry, join the military, or enter the skilled trades if he wanted to, but he won’t. I just want to point that out.

>>14769863
>You don't have way out of wage-slavery unless you've inherited good money
>he missed out on making it with crypto
oh no no, imagine working for decades of your life is a mediocre wagecuck job when you could have been smart and just put money in bitcoin a under a decade ago

>>14773653
>Dude, if you want money, STUDY MONEY, no duh.
this, why do people fall for the round about ways of making money?

A slightly different experience in my part.

I was a police officer for several years without going to uni. As many others here, always had a passion for literature which only increased over time. With the support of my gf (who is an accountant) I left the police to do an English Lit degree while tutoring part time and doing freelance writing type stuff on Upwork.

Yes, idpol has played a role in my studies. However it has not been present for nearly the extent that I prepared myself for. In my second year I studied the poetry of Shelley and Wordsworth, Dickens and Brontë as well as a couple of works from writers of colour. This was much less apparent in my final year where I studied T.S. Eliot, Wordsworth, Thoreau's Walden, Calvino and undertook an extremely satisfying creative writing module.

3 years later, I'm hoping to scrape a first and have submitted applications to masters programs. I have had several short stories and poems published and have a good writing portfolio as well as interest in my first novel. I could go for an MFA but equally would like to complete a PhD in Russian literature and secure a professorship (or more likely a comfy private school teaching gig).

So, in short, I am happy for having chosen this route. I was sick and tired of dealing with the worst of the worst in the police and my dream of being a homicide detective vanished quickly when I realised most murders were criminal on criminal, dealer on dealer or else shitty domestics in literal slums. Instead I now have an opportunity to pursue a career where I can talk about what I love while waiting to see if I 'make it' as a writer.

I wake up, read, go for a walk, write fiction/poetry for a couple hours, do some literary criticism usually for an assignment/set reading for a couple hours, spend the rest of the day reading until gf gets home, switch brain off watching TV with her then pray/read religious texts in bed until I go to sleep. It's a comfy life and I'm happier than I've ever been. Happy to answer questions

>>14763628
In my experience, a humanities degree ironically can kill your passion for it, or at least kill your passion for formally studying it. I have enjoyed and learned much more by reading great literature on my own time then I have from three years of English classes. You think you’re going to learn about art and passion, but you’re going to learn how to autistically dissect literature with frequent smatterings of idpol, and your career prospects after that are shit. You can teach K-12, or work a service/retail job, or just pursue further schooling to get an unrelated career.

>>14764305
You fail to realize the reasonability of this post is a perfect example of how enslaved we all are. Really, I’m doing the exact opposite right now, working a real shitty job with zero social status, career-building prospects, or benefits other than the week to week income and stabilized social system it provides. It’s a great counterpoint to the NEET bourgeois lifestyle I lived throughout college and really decimates any pretenses I have about “the future”™. I guess I’m advocating for a provisional Buddhism lite for one’s work-life-vocational balance. If anything, I know more about art now than I ever have before. And every day my anxieties weaken.

>>14763628
In my experience, a humanities degree ironically can kill your passion for it, or at least kill your passion for formally studying it in a classroom setting. I have enjoyed and learned much more by reading great literature on my own time then I have from three years of English classes. You think you’re going to learn about art and passion, but you’re going to learn how to autistically dissect literature with frequent smatterings of idpol, and your career prospects after that are shit. You can teach K-12, work a service/retail job, risk getting a PHD so you can work excessively hard just to become an adjunct and maybe somehow try to hope you can become a tenured professor eventually (while publishing as much crap as you can with cliched titles like “X in Shakespeare’s Hamlet: the Y and Z of Ophelia”), or just pursue further schooling to get an unrelated career.

>>14775169
Great story. Mind if I ask how old you are?

>>14765204
Imagine getting pleb filtered by a bunch of french fags. Jesus christ. Bakhtin would induce an aneurysm for your pea-brain.

>>14766016
T b h this is the path I found most successful. A humanities degree ought ti teach you how to be a conartist, something natural codemokeys are too autistic to develop.

>>14764283
me? i studied a field where i can make big bucks.
currently am making big bucks and saving like crazy.

why? because i want to retire to a frugal simple life in a developing country when in my 30s and just spend my days lifting and reading.

>>14767302
>antifragile
Talebcuck spotted in the wild

>>14774031

Been in STEM-career-land for 25 years. This is 98% accurate.

>>14775198
I'm 25, in the UK. Joined the police out of sixth form when I was 18 and spent the last 4 years doing my degree. I used to worry I was getting too old but then I reminded myself I have like 30 years of work ahead of me anyway so may as well be doing what I love.

>>14763628
used to be a literature,music, cinema major.

Now i am computer science major. i only got into programming to make games.

Im scared im making a mistake. What if i could of gotten a job as a camereman and worked my way up to director?

I really am scared. Taking medication to stop panic attacks.

>>14763628
There are tons of good jobs which don’t require STEM degrees. If you go to a school that’s a recruiting target for banks and consultancies they really don’t care much what you majored in. Same for medical and law schools. It’s entirely possible to receive a thorough arts education and also earn mire than anyone else you went to high school with if you’ve got the juice.

If you go it a low-tier university and don’t want to go to med/law school you might need to study STEM to stand out, which is unfortunate but you knew it wasn’t Princeton when you got there.

>>14775291
You still need to major in STEM to stand out at Princeton though. No one there actually cares about the humanities whatsoever. It is all econ or STEM.

>>14775262
I wish I had done something similar desu. I thought about joining the military out of high school but I just sort of ended up in college instead and basically got terrible grades while I stumbled through multiple majors and learned nothing. I’m 26 and thinking about going back for a classics degree. I’d have about a year left.

>>14775452
Never too late. You'll be 30 eventually regardless so you may as well be 30 with a degree.

>>14773810
kek, should've just sold your soul to big pharma and done psychiatry instead of psychology. Doing my psychology bachelor now and while I would love to do animal psychology for postgrad, I should probably just do a masters in consumer psychology or something of the sort and get decent money.

>>14775169
Inspiring stuff desu. I agree that post-grad study is really where it's at

>>14766876
Yeah but it's hard to maintain. The real way seems to be to make money from others working for you.

>>14773653
This. Why is there suck a lack of interest in trades? There's money, skills you can use as a hobby, and you avoid the whole Office Space hell.

>>14773664
>Work isn't even bad anyway
cope

>>14763628
>not being a rennaisance man
Probably the most hermetic take

>>14775619
because working a trade fucking sucks

>>14775626
Does it though?

>>14775169
Delusion. Don't cry when it breaks apart.

>>14775634
Yes, for the majority of tradies. There is a reason no one is interested in them and it's getting forced. If it was this golden land of money and being a great job ect, there would naturally be interest in it.

>>14775641
This. Not only do most of the Trade suck, but the Trades are even bigger meme than STEM. They bitch and moan about trade jobs going unfilled and then unions jerk people around and only want to pay them $10 an hour. You can be earning maybe $20 to run a job after years. Tradesmen today make just as much money as they did 20 years ago and the jobs go to journeymen. There’s no demand for less experienced workers and if there is they’re paid pennies.

>>14773810
Wow so it's true that all psychologists are fucked in the head
Great schizopost tho

>>14775623
If making a living from joining a nobleman's household or becoming an absentee cleric were still options, you can bet I would have taken them.

>>14770922
there are air force pilots with sociology degrees, dude.

>>14775636
Delusion how?

>>14763628
Brah, even STEM is a dicey field these days since new jobs aren't just magically opening up and anyone who has a position is holding on for dear life. Even the trades, once a fool proof method of middle class entry, is starting to take a nose dive.
Getting a decent job is quickly becoming a pipe dream at this point.

for me it's working a shitty part time job allowing for as much free time as possible and then ending it at 40. I tried the whole full time shit once, but i couldn't stand it. imagine doing that for 40+ years so you have some shitty retirement

>>14773395
Did you go to SUNY ESF?

>>14775371
Econ and STEM are very popular at elite universities, but a lot of that is just herd mentality, where people think Econ makes them a shoe-in for a bank or consultancy and STEM makes them obviously smart. The dirty secret is that you can do all those jobs with any major as long as you're smart and used your internships wisely and recruiters/admission officers know it.

>>14775169
I often recommend people join a police department. Every city has one, work where you like. Most are undermanned. A comfortable living to raise a family. No sitting in a cubicle, you'll be out in the world. Real friendship and brotherhood. As for writing material, you will see every side of human beings that exists and every emotion displayed in full.

>>14776520
cant be a cop if you have a shoplifting prior, right?

then i always remember the case where the police commisioner was hired even though he had priors of burglary. Strangely, he was arrested for corruption and theft....HMMMMM>.....

>>14776613
A commissioner is a politician, not a sworn officer, and likely goes through less of a background investigation believe it or not. And yes, a criminal record will make it difficult.

>>14763628
I graduated from biology with the one of the highest grades in my class. I'm doing a PhD. It's competitive as fuck. Don't go into stem if you don't have an innate interest in it because you'll be left deeply unfulfilled.

Pursue your English degree if it's what you're passionate about, but while you're studying keep an eye out for opportunities that look good on your CV. This is the time to say yes to everything. You can handle the workload.

Also, if your intention is to make it as a writer, make time to write articles and submit them to various journals and magazines. Build a portfolio.

i studied the humanities at a no-name university but graduated summa cum laude & phi beta kappa. it took me three years to land an actual job and even that was retard shit that paid just barely above minimum wage, i was basically paid to move around boxes and feed papers into a scanning machine. but i made sure to always look busy (despite only really working for about half of the day) and to show up on time, and two years later i'm making 15k more than i was when i started. which still isn't much, but the company continues to grow & they seem to like me & i don't yet detect a pay ceiling in sight. but basically i don't feel that my college experience was professionally valuable at all. what mattered most was finding someplace willing to hire me and making them believe that i was responsible and generally knew what i was doing.

>>14765106
mfw i am actually a fan of the video game Pharaoh

>>14765952
correct

>>14771743
My alternative would be a biology degree bro...would that be any better than horticulture. At least I might get a job at a greenhouse instead of Mcdonalds

>>14763628

>>14776484
sure but you are still more likely to be hired in those fields. Employment isnt guaranteed to anyone. I know people at Ivies that are about to graduate and don't have plans.

>>14777499
Don’t discount horticulture if you like it, there’s a guy on here who runs his own business growing plants for pharmaceuticals and he is doing quite well

>>14777702
Yeah, I'm considering it because it might be one of the few degrees that will be of aid when I go full Kaczynski, and I'm too stupid and moral to major in chemistry

>>14773517
uncreative, cowardly, delusions of power, willing slave, historiclly illiterate, poorfag cope

>>14763628
Don't do this, anon, You will regret it when you realize no one will hire a fucking english graduate.
Not even McDonald's would hire you. Why would they pay more to hire you when a student could do the exact same job for less?

>>14763628
How the fuck do you guys know what you want to get a degree in? I like reading, writing, playing music, cinema and sports but I don't think it justifies getting a degree in that. What made you go 'oh yeah economy sounds neat' when you were 18 years old? I'm almost 25 and I have no idea. I wouldn't do higher education but I want to learn and I want to get ahead and this is the only way to do that where I'm from. Advice?

>>14778759
I decided to do EE because it is the most difficult undergraduate degree you can get. That was literally the only reason.

>>14775006
Oh believe me, I kick myself evey day for sitting in my room reading books as a teenager instead of just putting a few cents in bitcoin. But as the other anon said: if you want money, a good bet is to work with money. Obviously I'm not saying ''apply for a job at a bank and go suck mr. Shekelstein's diq'' for the best years of your life. But if your knowledgeable about bussiness, investment and whatnot, you can hop onto something lucrative. Either way, it's a more certain and exciting way to get out of wage-cuckery than studying STEM and becoming a glorified factory-worker.

>>14778759
I chose my degree and moved state out of simple desire, I decided on it maybe ten minutes after becoming aware it even existed... sometimes I think it is better to act without thinking and ruminating too much

>>14770922
Why the FUCK would you want to join the US military?

>>14778759
That’s rarely how it works. In my case, I gave up and just settled on my major after stumbling through several majors while being told every one of them was worthless. The pressure was on to get a degree and got told “C’s get degrees” so that’s what I did. Looking back the single biggest mistake I made was listening to the advice of other people because they are mostly controlling retards who don’t know what they’re talking about. They just repeat whatever the flavor of the month advice is.

>>14779685
This post is worthless without mentioning what majors you went through

>>14779137
As opposed to what exactly?

>>14779697
Sorry. Pre-Med, Pre-Law, Classics, and finally, Econ.

>>14779715
lmao

>>14779720
I know. It kind of worked out though because I ended up with better employment than 90% of my peers and because I stumbled so much I got a pretty diverse education which sounds dumb but I actually appreciate. I just wish my actual degree major said something different.

>>14767135
how to get into programming easily? just learn a language, build a github and apply to places?

>>14778780
It's only the most difficult if you go RF.

>>14771477
Jesus look at those digits

>>14778759

Take gen Ed courses that seem interesting and then do major that the most interesting course is in.

I don’t regret taking liberal arts courses. I do regret taking a degree.

>>14781474
Why? It's better to have a degree than not, and it's not like they take any significant amount of time to obtain. Unless you're an americlap who got into massive debt for it i guess...

>>14781512
In my case, I studied economics at a liberal arts college. I never had an interest in economics in the slightest. I loathed it actually, but I had taken a confidence hit after transferring and having done poorly in science at the previous college because I was a typical dumb lazy kid at first, having had a bunch of people in my ear telling me how worthless the humanities were, and having a brother who had just dropped out and was totally miserable at home. It seemed like the only option. I reluctantly spent the next 5 years getting piss poor marks in the study of money, something I don’t even particularly like, only to end up in a job where I analyze money all day every day despite not actually making very much of it and having spent quite a lot to do it. So much, in fact, that I now don’t really have any options besides jobs which my degree lends itself to because they’re the only ones which pay *just* enough to make my monthly payments and survive to continue working. I can’t even earn another degree if I wanted to since I don’t have any more aid and no means to pay for it.

I appreciated my actual liberal arts and science courses, even if I didn’t do that well in them. I regret 100% of my major and the degree requirements to get the degree in it. If it weren’t for that major and it’s required courses I would at the very least have the freedom to move around and less than half of the debt I do right now.

>>14779828
bumping this. I just started a dead end grad program after getting a humanities degree and I want out. If its easy to get into programming, I'll do all the learntocode bullshit I need to do to make it work

>>14777602
What does that have to do with major choice though? The deciding factors have a lot more to do with initiative, self-knowledge and internships than major. Lots of people do all the pre-med classes and then realize at the end of it all that they don't want to go to med school, just as a common example of how people graduate without jobs.

The list of people I personally know who've gone to absolute top-tier MBA, medical and law programs with arts majors because they sought out relevant work experience is pretty long. These people also tend to be more interesting than the ones who took the obvious route.

>>14766785
kek

>>14774031
This is what scares me. I am humanities-inclined but I want to make money. It seems though as if money is in STEM nowadays instead of biz/econ but the thought of going to school with those people makes me shiver

bump

>>14778759
I'm going to be real with you, When you are a high IQ everything outside of social work is interesting and can be applicable to whatever your personal interests are because you understand the interconnectivity of all aspects of civilization. So from there you just choose whatever particular subject would make you the most money and/or would be useful to further your personal research, projects, or aquire a societal position you desire. Judging by your inability to independently understand this and absence of confidence in pursuing economically unsafe pursuits you enjoy you should get a marketable skill and indulge in your dilettante interests on the side. You're 25, not 18, you have no more excuses for not already knowing this and being indecisive. If you were to accomplished anything but what I think you should do you would have already started already.

>>14764258
Got an MSc in a field that provided me with a career and an above average paycheck. I work for a prestigious company, got a decent amount of responsibility and status.

I still regret not getting a degree in humanities even though I do spend a decent amount of my free time pursuing my interest.

I went into a literature major because I don't really care for any STEM subjects and after I got my master's last year, one of my professors hired me as an assistant investigator while I work on my PhD. My situation is ideal because I can study whatever I want. I'm not even bound to the field I graduated in as long as I do preliminary research before writing something on it.

The idea that the Humanities is useless, or that you can't get a job in it, is a meme. If you're one of the best, you'll get work everywhere.

>>14763628
Hi, STEMfag here (Chemistry). I can tell you right now it's not all it's hyped to be. You may get paid a pretty healthy amount, which is honestly really cool, but you don't wind up with the free time and the hours that you'd like.
First off, I'm hourly at my job. Which honestly for the work I do is WAY better than if I was salary. My job requires a minimum of 48 hours per week on night shift, and I walked off in the mid 50's USD last year for income while in my mid 20's. That sounds cool and all, but when you wound up spending your college years basically throwing your happiness to the wind in expectation of a great long-term payout, and realize that everything you were sold was bullshit, you get a little salty. A lot of the experiences my peers have were either much better or much less. Dating has been hard, since explaining what the fuck I do for a living confuses people, and even watering it down as much as possible seems to make people super confused. Saying "I work for the drug man, and make sure drugs good and safe" is apparently too confusing for too many people, or they just immediately judge the industry I work in and treat me like some kind of fascist.
Honestly, if I could go back and do it all over again, I'd have gone into either economics or finance. I enjoy both those fields significantly more than I'm enjoying my current career. One nice thing about having disposable income is that I can throw it on stocks for fun, but I'd much rather be using the "number get big" mentality as not only a cool thing in my Robinhood account, but actually a 40 hour per week career.
It doesn't help that I'm constantly trying to crunch out data for our manufacturing team to get the thumbs up or down to move on to the next in-process check. It doesn't help that management is on our asses to constantly process release information, which leads to manufacturing on our ass about why their shit has taken 30 hours to turn around. It doesn't help that the entire industry I work in is plagued with a bunch of corporate politics, and everyone I try to be friends with assumes I'm a part of all that shit.

>tl;dr
Don't go into STEM for money if you hate it. If you think you're capable of it, but enjoy the social sciences more, try economics, or maybe MGTOW how you want. But wagecucking is terrible, and STEM is the biggest wagecuck imaginable.

>>14783748
Guys, let’s get this clear right now. Economics is a worthless fucking degree. Let me explain to you guys how this works. The first argument in favor of economics is usually something about employment and salary, but the thing you don’t realize is it’s a bimodal distribution. The unemployment rate is actually quite high and the salaries are heavily skewed by the 1% of 1% from top 20 schools who all go to work at investment banks and make $150k a year right out of college, which by the way is still basically poverty in Manhattan where you will have to live and even if you are lucky enough to land one of those jobs, you will hate your life. You work all the time. When people hear me say “all the time” they think I mean “a lot”. No. I mean “all of the time”. It’s not unheard of to be putting in 90+ hour weeks and even have stretches where you basically don’t get to go home for weeks at a time. It sucks and you get treated like shit. Everyone who doesn’t get one of these “primo” jobs is working in a finance office somewhere doing “okay” at best. If they manage to get employed they’re making $50-55k maybe working more than normal hours and almost certainly hating what they do and having to live in an expensive big city. You would think the people who study money would actually make a lot of it, but they don’t. Engineers literally do better and hate their jobs less. The worst thing about economics is not only does it not lend itself toward graduate study in anything else, but it doesn’t lend itself towards graduate study in economics. There’s not nearly enough math to prepare you for a graduate program. In fact, it’s a running joke that most departments don’t admit Econ grads which is laughable and frankly, it’s not too different in the private sector. At my bank, we had engineers, english majors, philosophy majors. They were all trained to work in banking. I’ve never met an econ graduate that became an engineer. Lastly, at so many schools it’s just finance and all of those worthless business degrees nobody wants to do anymore dressed up with veneer to look like a science and get enrollments. If you spend multiple courses talking about the federal reserve and stock market, you’re not studying economics. You’re studying finance dressed up like economics and unfortunately, that’s how it goes at most schools. That stuff you see on CNBC and read in Warren Buffett books? That’s not economics. That’s finance. If you do go to a good econ program, the curriculum will be just as hard as any STEM degree so why not just study STEM. I will admit it is more employable and better earning than other degrees out there, but honestly Engineering shits in Economics in every conceivable way and I’d go so far as to say most sciences and certainly most applied sciences are also better. Is it more employable than English? Yeah probably. Is it worth it? Not really.

Is a philosophy degree employable outside of being a lawyer?

Is our society just fucked? Every single avenue looks depressing and soul crushing. I can't think of a single job or lifestyle that I would enjoy having. I can' think of a single thing or pursuit that would provide for me some semblance of satisfaction or happiness

>14764289
>>no MOM the internet told me I don’t need money because I’m an aristocrat of the soul
>Why yes I'm an aristocrat of the soul, how could you tell?

>>14763628
>222 replies
>120 posters
Just by scrolling through here I can see the screams of cope in the drone stembugs, preaching their cause with deep blind remorse. It's so sad to know that people are going to be studying stem for a good portion of their life only for money, are these people too stupid to get into a good university to study whatever their hearts desire or are they just that soulless for material gain? I got into a half-decent uni before transferring to a very good one and managed to fall ass backwards on so many scholarships while meeting many great people along the way; can you imagine the people you'll meet in a stem course?

>>14769901
Not true but it is better than the broad range of other subjects.

I think it’s very unfortunate how smart, Humanities inclined people, but young men in particular, are increasingly pressured into fields that they have no interest or talent in. The concern is generally something along the lines of employment and income. It’s understandable. There are certainly less academic positions for the humanities these days. One has to wonder though, why that it is and where this information is coming from. As best I can tell the reason that these positions are disappearing is precisely because people aren’t taking a formal interest in the humanities. Perhaps there would be more positions if there were more students? One has to wonder then if you’re falling into the trap set for you then to disregard your own interests in the interests of someone who else who stands to benefit from, among other things, your technical labor far more than you ever would. By shying away from the humanities, young people diminish the viability of these fields. This is simple truth. The other concern usually rests solely in the political realm. They assert that the humanities have been filled with liberal politic and that’s probably true, it in this case, I suggest that if the field is not important enough to you that you are willing to disregard social politics for love of knowledge itself, then do you have a business there in the first place? Did these same professors whom you disagree with so much not once study under someone they disagreed with? Are you not able to do the same? The last concern is usually about employment beyond academia and this is a valid concern. However, I fail to understand why exactly one feels as though they have to gain employment with their degree. There are jobs out there. They’re not just at McDonalds. You have to be willing to do hard, dirty, maybe even dangerous work if you have to, but they’re out there. Otherwise, you might have to have the courage to create work for yourself.

I'd reccomend computer science. Its really easy to fall into a low stress cushy job. One of my friends works for the government and has only 3 hours of real work a day. He spends the rest of his time reading. Its also a good entry point into studying mathematics if you are interested in that

>>14784594
>can you imagine the people you'll meet in a stem course?
mostly high-IQ, highly motivated successful people

>>14785605
Why is everyone obsessed with doing as little work for as much money as possible? Is this not the reason that humanities are falling by the way side in the first place?

>>14764267
You wont have free time once you have a job. You will spend 9-10hours a day on work and the rest of your time will be comsumed by maintaining your home and relationships (laundry,groceries, food, having a gf, etc.)

I came to this thread late but hopefully someone will read my story
>spend my entire teenage years jerking off math and stem
>think the only thing i can do is study math and become a professor ''everything else is worthless''
>start uni at 20 and after a year realize how little merit and care i actually have for all these ''ideas'' and ''problems''
>felt like a soulless machine solving problem after problem
>after a year say fuck it and drop out and join a college to become a paramedic
>very cheap, lots of fun, actually interesting and they dedicate time for you to work out and what not
>in my free time would practice piano, study math and read literature
>graduate two years later
>work for two years saving all my money
>now i'm 25, about to enter a musical conservatory in europe to study, studying math at a year 4 level
tl;dr things take time and what you want right now will probably not work out the way you want it to. Americans have this weird obsession of everything being a rat race.

>>14785713
LMFAO every stemfag major I know are Google and apple fucking drones that constantly are trying to go up from level 2 to 3 or what the fuck ever. I had a roommate not get a promotion and then literally cry himself drunk until he was pissing on the floor. Every stemfag I know makes 100k a year and they blow it on women who cheat on them, literal betacucks that are desperate for a warm body to cuddle? Imagine that shit, actually want to fall asleep in someone's sweaty arms. Fucking disgusting. Every stemfag major I know brags about going to burningman and getting their buttholes licked in the orgytent. I've meet literal government rocket scientist that are depressed and lonely and constantly seeking the attention of a women to fulfil themselves. The only stemfag major I know that has their shit together is a tranny with a wife.
Me? I graduated with the intention of being a teacher. I'm a substitute teacher that picks when I want to work and has summers off if I choose so. Me? I sold a script on blacklist last year for 50k. Me? I'm working on filming my own scripts with friends that I've known for years. Me? I'm probably going back to school for a masters and moving back into my parents to avoid California rent. Me? I haven't had sex in 5 years because every girl I've dated and had the opportunity to sex wasn't who I wanted.
The common factor I see in every stemmajor I've met is that they all are seeking validation outside of themselves, it's fucking pathetic.

>>14785772
That's great bro
>join a college to become a paramedic
How long did you study to become a paramedic? Isn't that a super taxing job mentally and physically? Night shifts and fatally wounded people?

>>14785543
Because college tuitions and student loan debts are astronomically rising out the fucking ass. Passion is nice and everything, but fucking yourself over for a good portion of your young adult life just to study something you’re passionate about for ~4 years is increasingly less of a savory prospect.

>>14784419
All that matters is the next paycheck.

>>14786137
Well, I definitely do agree with that but it’s something of a moot point. What would you do in a world where you didn’t have easy access to debt? If you tactfully bade you’re major decision off of expected ROI then you’re just reinforcing the narrative of college as a financial tool, which results in increased cost. I know the argument is that you have to go to college to get any job at all though not just one with a good ROI and the fact of the matter is that’s just not true. What is true is that you have to do it if you’re committed only to jobs which keep you totally safe, clean, and sedentary and nothing else.

>>14782589
why

>>14765935
>Uhhh yes that Schopenhauer my dick is rising bros...
Lol

Studying humanities in uni is based as hell if it will get you a job because it's piss easy. If you have a passion for something don't bother with formal education and study yourself. Formal education is solely for job purpose.

>>14785970
two years of schooling but i got it down to a year and a half taking advanced classes and volunteering a lot
>Isn't that a super taxing job mentally and physically? Night shifts and fatally wounded people?
the average paramedic only works for 3-5 years while ive heard horror stories of people quitting on the spot because they had to see someones ribcage stuck through their windshield because of a bad drunk driving accident on their first night out.
If you can pace yourself and have an outlet for all the shit you see and do than its a great job. I started writing a lot when I was working because it was easier to go to sleep at night putting down what I saw on paper than letting it manifest in my head.

>>14766052
What's your source that Europe values humanities?

>>14787002
Don’t think he’s saying Europe values humanities as much as he’s saying the US is a shithole where you have to study STEM or live in poverty, but it’s quite obvious the US has a culture that doesn’t give a shit about the humanities at all.

I’ll leave you with this: getting a degree just for the money and employment opportunity is one of the biggest regrets in my life thus far.

>>14763628
What's the alternative bros? What if I don't want to contribute to an elaborate scam spawning from the carcass that is original academia?
Monkmode?

>>14785775
>Me?
nope, nobody asked about you

>>14787304
what would you've done differently

>>14783912
It can get you any job any other degree can get you that isn't specifically vocational like medicine.

>>14788358
I would’ve studied something I felt like I was called to study either because I had a deep interest in it or because it was genuinely needed of me. I also would’ve taken it more seriously and earned better grades. Most of all, I wouldn’t have rushed into it and rushed to finish. The reality is most 18 year olds don’t know what the fuck they want and the American education system takes advantage of that. 22 year old me knew to be suspicious of the quality of education I was receiving when I walked into a class with 200 students in it. 18 year old me thought that was “cool” or “impressive” or some other dumb shit. I just didn’t have the knowledge or discipline I needed to navigate the system in America and I didn’t have /lit/ to guide me back them. When I think about how I wasted those years doing the bare minimum in something I didn’t want and nobody needed, it makes me want to jump off a bridge.

>>14763628
You can always read books, an English degree doesn't qualify you to do anything dude.

>>14765952
based

I'm in a math/physics program and I'm taking every philosophy elective I can. At this point, I could pursue grad school in maths, physics, or philosophy. I'm torn between philosophical masturbation and just sticking my head in the sand, or research in environmental sustainability and dedicating my soul to a nameless good.

To all those in english degrees, you realise you can read that stuff on your own right? It's next to impossible to conduct experimentation without funding and without lab equipment. It's not like you're being patronized by the medicis.

>>14789703
Just to add. I originally pursued stem because I wanted to be a more knowledgable writer, as I think the best writers are those that combine many interests of theirs, but I've found a calling towards slowing this destruction we're bringing down on our planet, so I'll most likely prolong my education for the sake of research.