/lit/ - Literature

>>14756032
Exactly what you think he's talking about, OP

>>14756032
Stop being a materialist.

>>14756032
the same shit that nigga Thrice Greatest Hermes was talkin about. Ain't you initiated into the ancient Egyptian mysteries yet nigga?

>>14756032
THe dissolution of the AT fields and going back into the orange juice realm AKA the mother's womb

Just skip to the rewrite at the back of the book.

>>14756032
I've never seen any legitimate discussions about him so I'm convinced that no one on /lit/ actually knows.

>>14756032
an elaborate joke

>>14756220
That's because 4chan is a site for college kids in their early 20s to talk about anime and manga. Not a single person here is actually brilliant or profound.

>>14756225
Except for me of course.

>>14756220
Sadly we only get half serious replies like this >>14756099 that is still juvenile.

>>14756230
And me.

>>14756230
Based brilliant poster

>>14756099
yo this nigga knows what he's talking about.

>>14756032
Hegel was the fist bullshit artist charlatan of the modern era.

Hegel couldn't do it

>>14756225
You have to be brilliant or profound to understand Hegel?

>>14756556
yes

>>14756220
Absolutely this. I have yet to hear a summary or even a remote explanation of Hegels writings. And as long as noone is able to deliver this, i am convinced, that basically it can't be understood by design because it's just utter bullshit. It's been 200 years lmao. Why can noone tell me what the point of Hegel was.

FUCK Hegel. I WON'T read him, until someone at least tries to explain to me.

>>14756099
Wisdom.

One of the concerns of Hegel's work is answering the following question: What is consciousness? Before he can answer that question, however, he feels that there is an important philosophical issue that needs to be resolved in order to ground the rest of his project. The problem is, as follows:

How did we get from ordinary consciousness, that is not self-aware (i.e, does not question itself), to a consciousness that allows for the question of 'What is consciousness?' to be posed?

In the PoS, Hegel is attempting to answer this problem, which he does by considering how different forms of consciousness change/evolve.

>>14757360
>I WON'T read him, until someone at least tries to explain to me.
Lmao, you're fucking retarded. Go watch School of Life you brainlet.

>>14757398
Stopped reading when I got to consciousness. I don’t give a shit if he thought our minds were made out of pee pee or poo poo. Just give it to me straight: was he based and redpilled? or was he cringe and bluepilled?

>>14757611
Cringe and Redpilled

>>14756032
basically the alex jones rant on joe rogan about spiritual warfare and ascending. alex jones is the "highest level" hegelian alive right now.

>>14757611

Not him but what an annoying, obnoxious reply. He gave a decent explanation and you're asking for buzzwords Jesus Christ why don't you just open the text. Read the Preface at least.

>>14757398
So does Hegel answer, or try to, the question of what is consciousness in PoS? Or is there another book which discusses this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARarjQYOhA4

if you all have the attention, here is a one hour intro by an old sage.

>>14758739
consciousness is the mystical potency of the magical Capital Letter Words. once you can grasp the Capital Letter and its historical unfolding in History, you will understand Hegel.

>>14756032

He introduced historiscism to the left, thereby introducing a useful rationalization for the enormities of marxism.

>>14756032
Hegel wrote literal nonsense and tried to pass it off as philosophy.

>>14757398
What a load of horseshit.

>>14757398
>How did we get from ordinary consciousness, that is not self-aware (i.e, does not question itself), to a consciousness that allows for the question of 'What is consciousness?' to be posed?
why does he assume that non self-aware consciousness is prior to self-aware consciousness? maybe its the other way around. we get from self-aware consciousness to non self aware consciousness.

>>14756224
>German "humor"
I believe it

>People think the average meme sites browser can understand advanced philosophical texts that even academics struggle to fully comprehend

No one here can actually read and grasp Hegel, Beyond the basic ideas explained by the likes of philosophy tube.

The whole point of this book zur zeit is to signal the fact that you know the Author. You have heard of Hegel. And You also heard of this really complex book of His, And you can't understand it. But you do know about it, So you're Cool. You're In on all of this.

>>14759630
Someone please shop Hegel's face on the book in that pic lmao

>>14759630
Hegel is the opposite of "advanced". He was a simple flimflam artist.

>>14759669
Then explain Phenomenology of Spirit.

>>14756120
Most accurate reply

>>14756220
>>14756225
>>14756232
>>14757360
>>14760122

tackles the process of gaining knowledge of something. he was writing contra Kant, arguing that knowing was a never ending process. you learn about things by interacting with them, figuring out what works and what doesnt. The knowledge of for example a pen contains this entire process. this includes also every hypothesis that has been rejected, which is called sublating. i.e. a pen is not for cutting.
this is the dialectic.
in the phenomenology he tries to go from the basest of experiences to describe knowing in its totality. ofcourse Heidegger pointed out a massive flaw in that Hegel presuppossed being

>>14756230
>>14756234
And me, of course

>>14757801
I don’t read that shits for faggots and trannies. You sound like your seething

hello guys ;)

>>14756032
he’s not

>>14757611
>seeing the world through memes

>>14759630
>muh hidden knowledge
>muh double plus good truth

hegel was as big a charlatan as jordan peterson's DAUGHTER
anyone who is of the opinion that his importance extends past his historical impact is a pseud

>>14760957
bitches love Hegel

>>14761015
just look at that smug expression on her face... It's not fair to be that beautiful and that smart!

>>14761015
Hegel had a woman's mind -- irrational, emotional, and incoherent.

>>14757398
seems like some outdated hard/soft problem of consciousness confusion and a continuation of philosophy's need to define words that were made up for functional use and not to describe an indescribable """reality""".

>>14756032
communism disguised as spiritualism

>>14760957
fat af communist, how many government programs are you abusing?

>>14760957
>fag
>repugnant hand writing
>putting your disgusting, ugly feet on Hegel's book
I would unironically, and I mean this truthfully, with no hints of sarcasm -- behead you.

>>14757360
a consciousness tries to learn about an object. This knowledge of the object stablishes a relationship between the subject and the object.

Now the subject knows something about the object, it has a certainity about it. However, because of the nature of the relationship between the subject and the object, some contradictions between the two appear, and the only way to overcome them is for the subject to expand its perspective and see the relationship with its object from a different point of view.

Now the relationship between the two is seen differently and the contradictions are resolved, which allows the subject to be certain of its new knowledge of the subject. However, in this new relationship new contradictions appear between the two because of this new relationship with the object and this new point of view. What does the subject do to overcome them? Expand its perspective again.

The PoS narrates the journey of the consciousness from the most basic form of knowledge to the most superior one, one where there are no new contradictions because the subject and the object are the same thing.

All the book is a series of statements that prove the certainity of something (thesis). But then Hegel introduces a problem that negates that certainity (antithesis). The solution to that incertainity is to see the problem from a wider perspective (synthesis). Because this journey is made by the human consciousness, the whole point of the book is to show how the humans went from being dipshits in caves to beings able to have knowledge of the whole reality.

I'm not English native and I obviously didn't read the book in English, so my terminology may be off. And I'm also drunk. Anyway, go read the fucking book and stop acting like a moron.

>>14761542
Also, one thing Ii noticed when reading the book is that the word 'but' appeared a lot, and I've always wondered whether 'but' is the most common word in the whole book. It would be nice to check.

That shows how important the thesis-antithesis-synthesis (fun fact: Hegel actually never uses those terms) 'game' is.

>>14760193
>ofcourse Heidegger pointed out a massive flaw in that Hegel presuppossed being
and Heid didn't ???

>>14761542
That's actually a very good explanation. Idk if it's correct, but it's well explained

>>14761683
My explanation is correct, Others may correct it or expand on it, but I didn't bullshit.

>>14756225
>"That's because 4chan is a site for college kids in their early 20s to talk about anime and manga. Not a single person here is actually brilliant or profound," he said aloud, to himself, as he typed it out.
>"I'm so fucking smart," he thought to himself as he clicked the Submit button.

>>14761698
>My explanation is correct, Others may correct it

>>14761712
True. As I said, I'm drunk.

What I meant is that my explanation was serious/accurate. Others may seen it as flawed, but my point was that I didn't make things up.

And by the way, something that I was thinking about now. The PoS is at times EXTREMELY beautiful and very poetic. It's true that it's fucking difficult and that you can't read it as you normally read a book. However, when you're reading a paragraph that resolves a prior problem, things fall into place and you suddenly experience kind of a 'damn, that's smart' feeling.

>>14756032
Quick summary of what I've read up to now:

Sense certainty:
Basic perception, most devoid of meaning but most certain

Perception:
Steps it up a bit, now talks about heres which can be considered as coordinates and time in which they cannot be understood as they exactly are. Ex I cannot describe the exact snowflake I see in that exact instance with the word.

Force and the understanding:
Force is pretty much the movement of the parts to the whole, only that transition though. The understanding is knowing how things act, a concept that is not portrayed by the perception of it. Ex gravity acting on a mass. Hegel also claims that kant doesnt go far enough in his noumena.

Self conciousness:
You become certian of your surroundings and thus can abstract yourself from them. You understand you exist.

Lordship and bondage:
A battle of recognitions between two people, one submits and recognizes the lord, the lord allows the slave to live.

Stoicism:
Pretty much self conciousness
Skepticism:
To make a assertion claiming you cannot know anything about the world is knowledge about the world and self contradictory
Unhappy conciousness:
"Self projection into an object"

Reason:
Keep in mind that hegel believes "the rational alone is real"
Reason is to hegel finding the essence of things which I take to mean just making sense of them in themselves

Actualization of self conciousness:
Deals with desire (wanting to consume or have an object) in its implications leading to virtue.

Individuality:
Basically talks about how people find good and bad in what they identify with and dont identify with respectively along with those implications.

Spirit:
Ethical being, moves from ethical sense certianty to reason in it's own dialectical way. Starts to talk about religion where hegel sees enlightenment as pointing out some things of religion.

Absolute freedom and terror:
Hegel investigates the implications of an equal society in that the individual is repressed for the will of all which inevitably becomes the will of a faction leading to a revolt and the cycle repeats.

That's all I've read to, if anyone finds issues with what I've wrote then lmk, but you guys just have to read the fucking book man. It's a hard read but if your curious enough about it you will do it.

>>14756032
If you jerk off when you're high or feels like ten times better.

>>14761748
i don't really like it very much.

Sense certainty is not the most certain form of knowledge. It manifest itself as the most certain, but reveals itself to be actually the less certain form of knowledge. Hegel makes this very clear.

Actually, all forms of knowledge are in part flawed, there is no certain knowledge until the end. Only when consciousness reaches the absolute knowledge at the end of the book the consciousness can be certain of its knowledge.

Your other sections aren't very complete either imo, they're missing vital information. But it's true that it's hard to summarize everything.

Are you reading Kojeve's, Hyppolite's or any other essay on the PoS?

>>14761755
>summers off from university I was working full time in our laboratory
>every weekend I spent at least one full day high as fuck on legal weed masturbating all day
my life is a lot better now than it was then but sometimes I do miss the utter escapism of those days