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>The Svacchanda Tantra says, Na shivam vidyate kvachit: Nothing that is not Shiva exists anywhere. There is no thought, no feeling, and no event that is not Shiva. When our minds, through practice, through meditation, through contemplation, become subtle then we experience that Shiva, Consciousness, is everywhere. The ground of our vision has changed.
>Spiritual practice unfolds our understanding. We see the pattern of meaning in our life. >We see that events teach us and make us grow. Things happen for a reason. As we grow we begin to see divinity at the core of everything. We catch a glimpse of the wonder of existence. We have the intuition, Na shivam vidyate kvachit: Nothing that is not Shiva exists anywhere.
>The Shiva Sutras say that when a seeker attains the turiya state, the state of enlightenment, his senses become powers intent on abolishing all sense of difference and are no longer mere senses. A change takes place in the way we view things. Instead of our previous predilection for separation and negativity, in that state everything is directed to Consciousness.

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>Consciousness Is Everything, The Yoga Of Kashmir Shaivism
https://b-ok.cc/book/3699714/75e785

Academic, Source Texts

>The Aphorisms of Siva: The Sivasutra With Bhaskara's Commentary
https://b-ok.cc/book/1122434/467ac0

>The Doctrine of Vibration: An Analysis of the Doctrines and Practices of Kashmir Shaivism
https://b-ok.cc/book/954070/461ffd

>The Stanzas on vibration : the Spandakārikā with four commentaries : the spandasamdoha by Ksemarāja, the Spandavrtti by Kallaṭabhaṭṭa, the Spandavivṛti by Rājānaka Rāma, the Spandapradīpikā by Bhagavadutpala
https://b-ok.cc/book/2166391/41afec

>Canon of the Saivagama and the Kubjika Tantras of the Western Kaula Tradition
https://b-ok.cc/book/2166310/d229a0

>> No.14717218
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14717218

This isn't more crypto-buddhism like Shankara, is it?

>> No.14717230

>>14717192
>astral, etheric
Theosophical contamination detected

>> No.14717283

>>14717218
No, the only thing worse than Shankara is Jainism

>> No.14717285

>>14717230
Pic got your attention tho

>> No.14717288

What's the appeal of worshipping Hindu deities?

>> No.14717314

>>14717288
Who said anything about deity worship?

>> No.14717329

>>14717314
Oh shit I'm sorry, I didn't know this was just a larp. I'll be checking out then.

>> No.14717342

>>14717329
What do you even mean by "worshipping hindu gods" exactly?

This isn't like wicca or something, man. It's a philosophy.

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>>14717192
Guys, I really want to be a Platonist, but why was sex so good? I don't know if I can still be a Platonist if I enjoy it this much... pls help!

I used some tantric technique as well.

>> No.14717355

>>14717192
Seems interesting but also seems like as far as it connecting to mans religious drives, it could beckon into complexity over authenticity.

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>>14717355
More complex than picrel?

>> No.14717639

>>14717383
That’s not “complex” that’s just convoluted. Tries to harmonize multiple strata of Vedic, Upanishadic and Puranic sources into one system, but comes off horribly.

>> No.14717652

>>14717355
>>14717639
Why frame it in this false dichotomy
>Either Complex Or Authentic
Why can't it be both?

>> No.14717678

>>14717652
Good question. I even thought about changing the word convoluted before I posted, but ended up leaving it. The reason I think it’s because the complexity of the Gaudya Vaishnava system is not organic but superimposed. It fails to harmonize the many metaphysical systems it superimposes, and thus is convoluted.

>> No.14717698

>>14717678
So if you prefer Occam's Razor thinking, do you prefer Samkhya to Trika?

>> No.14717756

>>14717698
I do. Shamkhya is a good example of Indian phagocytosis. It’s a stand alone philosophical system that famously denies the Ishvara (god). Every religious and metaphysical system in the history of Hinduism since butchered and incorporated it, totally ignoring that fact. You can see that Kashmir Shaivism is just the Shamkya system with elements of Shiva worship and Advaita literally ADDED TO IT. It’s like a reformed building where you can still see the old foundations beneath the facade.

>> No.14717788

>>14717756
Samkhya-yoga is like peripateticism to Neoplatonism, Aristotle's Nous becomes the demiurge equivalent to isvara.

>> No.14717821

>>14717756
The one thing I find distasteful in all of Hinduism is the dishonesty (I guess that’s true for all religions). They don’t really engage with their past and non Vedic and non deistic systems with honesty. Our Vedic ancestors were warlike meat-eaters, but we have different beliefs now. No they will claim that the Vedic aryans were peaceful vegetarian sages that worshipped Krishna, exactly as we do. Oh the Buddha? He was an avatar o Vishnu who came to delude atheists. Oh the author of Samkhya? Yup, avatar of Vishnu. What’s that, another sect? Avatar o Vishnu. Vyasa? The Vedic author who doesn’t mention Krishna once? You guessed: avatar of Vishnu, and guess what, he also wrote the Shrimad Bhagavatan (a probably a medieval text, while Vyasa supposedly lived around the 13th century BC if at all). Etc etc etc. It gets tiring. How are you supposed to trust that such liars have access to divine truths? That’s how I was turned off from Hinduism after a time of infatuation.

>> No.14717830

>>14717821
Non theistic*

>> No.14717845

>>14717192
h

>> No.14717944

>>14717821
You're talking about Vaishnavas in particular.
They aren't all of Hinduism.

A lot of hindus (to this day) eat meat, just not beef.
Rama eats meat in Ramayana.
Basically the vegan shit is from Shramana reform era, like how Celibacy wasn't always part of the Christian priesthood.

Anyway, who gives a shit about Hindu organized religion today?
We don't let shitty college kids ruin philosophy for us, do we? Fuck a pajeet.