/lit/ - Literature

>>14688337
the fuck? why is aeschylus on the bad guys side? one of the most based authors in the western canon

>>14688354
Found one

>>14688337
I think its about willingness to show personality. Locke, Descartes and Aristotle are akin to wet cardboard. Hume actually good to read because I can feel his excitement at times.

levinas is a hack and his “““philosophy””” is vomit inducingly facile

>>14688386
he is very enjoyable to read though

>>14688400
it’s dangerous to read though, you will distort the way you think. it’s no joke. people who read him can’t shut up about the “Other” and “othering”. it’s some kind of mental disease

Whether they’re written by Jews/Anglos or not.

>>14688337
Who's the guy in the middle and the guy on the bottom left? Pretty sure I got everything else right.

>Heidegger
>Plato
>Deleuze
>Plato
>Aristotle
>Descartes
>John Locke
>Bertrand Russel
>Aeschylus

>>14688443
Shit I said plato twice.

>>14688443
hume in the middle and the other one is levinas

>>14688337
Is that Heidegger? Dear God.

>>14688337
If it improves your life. Are you more productive (not only professionaly but intellectually too), happier, hopeful, motivated? if no toss it in the garbage and move onto the next.

>>14688455
fucking cringe you should feel embarrassed

>>14688337
Whether it has dragons or not

>>14688337
If it's nonfiction it's bad

>>14688492
>anime

>>14688337
Why is Descartes bad?

>>14688374
Russell certainly isn't shy of showing his personality.

>>14688587
Did you just choose them randomly? I can't see any connection.

>>14688595
I did not, but I have a very eclectic worldview and am also schizoaffective

honestly think wittgensteins tractatus is possibly the worst piece of philosophy ever written. literally like that kid in high school philosophy he smokes way too much weed and thinks he has an amazing idea which is actually garbage

>>14688337
Some good and generally agreed-upon criteria are:
>ability to pinpoint and expose problems and explain the stakes
>ability to craft a system or theory answering the problem
>ability to bear out the consquences of the system including real life consequences
>willingness to compare the conclusions of the theory with what's observed in practice, and with what other have said
>willingness to engage honestly the work of other authors, anticipate and answer to possible criticism
>willingness to amend theory in the face of overwhelming contradiction
>awareness of the difference between systematic and non-systematic approaches and of the respectives advantages and pitfalls of the two
>experience of life duly analyzed and fruitfully integrated into the theory (or used to assess the theory)
>acute "common sense" (in the sense of being able to detect bullshit, provide nuanced viewpoint, make logical, sound distinction but also discern the importance of some not so obviously logical practical distinctions)
>self-awareness (often a critical flaw of philosophers)
>conceptual creativity
>originality (in the sense of having provided new solutions and approaches to old topics and/or having brought previously unexamined topics into philosophy)


A more controversial is style and clarity of exposure. Some say style is cosmetic, other that it is the flesh of thought, some think clarity is a prerequisite in all situations, others that it is something that is achieved at great cost and only comes at the end of the process, other still think it is overrated and that a philosophy is meant to inspire, not teach like a textbook would.

Another controversial one is recognition and influence. Assessment of quality are irretrievably wound up with the critical reception of a philosopher and his integration in the wider philosophical discourse. It is still possible to be recognized as a bad influence by some, but generally speaking the most influential philosophers in a given tradition are, for better or worse, the most compelling.

All that are "objective" criteria in the sense that they apply to the philosopher himself (and his writings). There are also subjective criteria, mainly what you get of a particula philosopher and whether it is the right philosopher for you at the moment you read him.


>>14688374
Descartes was pretty chad and Aristotles was ultra-chad. Not very stylish writers tho, I agree.

OP's chart is just another form of bait as always.

>>14688337
when it hates on women

>>14688608
Agreed.
Some anon here told me a while ago that Wittgenstein wrote later a book or essay where he recognized that he was a massive sperg in the tractatus and corrected everything he said there. Does anyone know the name of this work? it may be interesting.

>>14688455
awful chart anon, just awful

>>14688492
>>14688688
Agreed. Here is a good one.

>>14688354
All the tragics were enemies with the greek philosophers.

>>14688588
He is a basedboi

>>14688696
>Wittgenstein
also dropped

>>14688710
Later Witty is intended.

>>14688696
What Steiner stuff do you like? Ever read Lehrs' Man or Matter?

>>14688712
Fair enough, but why Schopie and el ogro de las europas? German idealism is cancer too

>>14688337
/our guys/ should be Stirner and Thrasymachus. Socrates should be on the other side.

>>14688722
I've only recently discovered him and still exploring his work. I'm open to suggestions if you have any.
>>14688732
If by el ogro you mean Kant, then his idealism is the basis of Schopie's whole philosophy.

>>14688683
Philosophical Investigations

>>14688374
Hume is so fucking self-conscious it’s painful. Reading Hume is like reading a nervous 15 year old try to ask a girl out in an anime. All Hume does is stutter. When he finally makes a good point, he undercuts it with his self-consciousness.

This is an issue in what is called metaphilosophy. An Introduction to Metaphilosophy
By Søren Overgaard, Paul Gilbert and Stephen Burwood is a good work to look into.

>>14688983
This is completely untrue, he just qualifies what he says. I bet you like Rousseau

Ugh, this sucked. I can't believe this is me

>>14688337
I agree with that pic, fuck Russel. I might have to read Deleuze now.

>>14688337
>>14688455
>>14688587
>>14688696
>>14689103
This is the only acceptable chart.

>>14688722
Steiner is an occultist that wrote 5 false interpretations of the 4 gospels (he made up the last one.)

>>14689170
Hi Albanian Evola anon. Daily reminder that Khomeini is cringe and I say this as an Iranian.

>>14689194
>I say this as an Iranian.
I hope your traitor family gets butchered after Iran spiritually conquers the West.

:)

>>14689212
My family is very much loyal and spiritual. Only that you, living comfortably in your little european shithole, have no idea what kind of society Khomeini has given birth to. You look at us from afar, yet all you see is romanticized illusions. There is not an once of spirituality to be found in this country any longer, and that is thanks to your beloved Khomeini.

>>14689238
what do you define as spirituality, I hope it's not talking to ghosts and controlling your own breathing.

>>14689238
>living comfortably in your little european shithole
I live in America, and live in the end result of Capitalism. It is a hell hole here, and needs to be eradicated.

>There is not an once of spirituality to be found in this country any longer, and that is thanks to your beloved Khomeini.
Khomeini fostered the Perennial Philosophy back into being, and a new Golden Age will be ushered in once he conquers the West and destroys America, Capitalism, and the Jew.

>>14689250
I define spirituality as a general sense of connection with the divine.
>>14689253
Yet hundred Iranians out of hundred would gladly flee to America given the chance. And that is not because they are in any way disloyal or unspiritual. I can imagine that secular materialism could be tough, but I guarantee you Khomeini is not the answer.
>Khomeini fostered the Perennial Philosophy back into being
Trust me, he did no such thing. I had to actually read his schizo-autistic ramblings in school. He did have some mystical inclinations, this I don't deny. But he had no chance of correctly fostering it given the circumstances of his younger years.

Even if Khomeini himself weren't so bad, I assure you his successors have inherited none of his basedness. They are even more orthodox and exoteric.

>>14689281
implying exoteric is bad? you're keeping it vague what he does that is so bad.

>>14689281
>I define spirituality as a general sense of connection with the divine.
>general sense
New Age garbage, completely refuted by Evola in "Mediations on the Peaks."

>Yet hundred Iranians out of hundred would gladly flee to America given the chance.
Blatant lies. The failed CIA attempted revolutions are all proof that the vast majority of Iranians support the Islamic Revolution.

>I had to actually read his schizo-autistic ramblings in school.
I own a copy of his "Islamic Government, Governance of the Jurist." His points are both sound and true.

>They are even more orthodox
Good.

>exocteric
I doubt this. Nevertheless, the purpose of exoteric traditions is to foster communal spirit, which is needed when one's society is under attack both physicals, mentally, and spiritually by the Jew.

>>14689289
They are exoteric at the expense of anything esoteric, which is very much discouraged and frowned upon here.

And even they themselves don't follow the exoteric teachings and certainly not their childrens. You won't believe what thieves these rulers are. All of our country's budget which comes from oil and elsewhere is stolen by them just so that their children and grandchildren could go to America and Europe and pick up girls in their ferraris. I am not exaggerating and this is a common occurrence.

Unfortunately religion and spirituality today in our country is a front for these people just so that they could steal and remain in power more easily.

>>14689307
>All of our country's budget which comes from oil and elsewhere is stolen by them just so that their children and grandchildren could go to America and Europe and pick up girls in their ferraris. I am not exaggerating and this is a common occurrence.
Show proof of this or fuck off.

>>14689303
Given that you love our country so much, I suggest taking a trip here and talking with some Mullahs about Evola and his beliefs. If you managed to go back alive, I will believe your claims. As it is, I can only watch my fellow countrymen in adverse poverty just because our rulers chose to steal.

>>14689317
>I suggest taking a trip here and talking with some Mullahs about Evola and his beliefs.
Considering that Khomeini admitted to being as inspired by Plato as the Koran, that would perhaps take a liking to Evola's wisdom, specifically his essays on America.

>As it is, I can only watch my fellow countrymen in adverse poverty just because our rulers chose to steal.
Your country is in poverty because America is economically attack you with sanctions.

Do you really want a Westernized Iran? Where your women are all whores? Your men incel neets? And your streets filled with niggers?

>>14689326
**they would perhaps

>>14689315
This is common knowledge among Iranians. This is one famous example:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Iranian_embezzlement_scandal
Yet there are many more. There was an infographic circling around. I will see if I can find it.

>>14689344
>Iranian businessman Mahafarid Amir Khosravi (also known as Amir-Mansour Aria and executed in 2014) "masterminded" the scam
>at least 67 people have been interrogated and 31 of them have been arrested
>According to Iranian government newspapers and TV channels, the fraud was planned within seven state-owned and private banks, including Saderat Bank of Iran
>On 3 October 2011, Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei told viewers of Iranian state TV "People should know all these (responsible) will be pursued. ... God willing, the traitorous hands will be cut."
So (((banks))) stole from the people and got prosecuted by the government.

>>14689326
Khomeini's views on Plato was, and is, an outsider among Mullas. He was even challenged for it in his days.

Iran is already westernized. Zoomers wear t-shirts with USA flags. The women are already whores. There is an employment issue which means a huge percent of people graduating from unversitiy can't find jobs, so yes, neets living with their mothers is extremely common, in fact the opposite is becoming uncommon nowadays.
>And your streets filled with niggers?
I try not to be racist but we have similar problems here.

>>14689350
The banks here are not like in the US. The banks are state-owned and advertised as "Islamic Banking". Such a fraud can only be possible by the permission of the higher ups.

>>14689352
>Iran is already westernized. Zoomers wear t-shirts with USA flags. The women are already whores. There is an employment issue which means a huge percent of people graduating from unversitiy can't find jobs, so yes, neets living with their mothers is extremely common, in fact the opposite is becoming uncommon nowadays.
>I try not to be racist but we have similar problems here.
Much of this is a product of technological society, as we have already reached the singularity. This is why it is a priority for America and Capitalism to be destroyed, primarily on the spiritual level.

>>14689355
>Such a fraud can only be possible by the permission of the higher ups.
Stop arguing in bad faith. A scandal can easily happen from the lower levels of government, and has happened and will continue to happen in governments until the Golden Age is ushered in.

>>14689382
Here is the proof that you asked earlier. I suggest reading these articles with google translate
https://www.independentpersian.com/node/14956/%D8%B3%DB%8C%D8%A7%D8%B3%DB%8C-%D9%88-%D8%A7%D8%AC%D8%AA%D9%85%D8%A7%D8%B9%DB%8C/%D8%A2%D9%82%D8%A7%D8%B2%D8%A7%D8%AF%D9%87%E2%80%8C%D9%87%D8%A7%DB%8C-%D8%AE%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%AC-%D9%86%D8%B4%DB%8C%D9%86-%D8%AF%D8%B1-%DA%A9%D8%AC%D8%A7-%D8%B2%D9%86%D8%AF%DA%AF%DB%8C-%D9%88-%D8%AA%D8%AD%D8%B5%DB%8C%D9%84-%D9%85%DB%8C%E2%80%8C%DA%A9%D9%86%D9%86%D8%AF%D8%9F

https://www.mashreghnews.ir/news/988323/%D9%85%D8%A7%D8%AC%D8%B1%D8%A7%DB%8C-%D9%87%D9%85%D9%87-%D9%81%D8%B1%D8%B2%D9%86%D8%AF%D8%A7%D9%86-%D8%AE%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%AC-%D9%86%D8%B4%DB%8C%D9%86-%DB%8C%DA%A9-%D9%85%D8%B3%D8%A6%D9%88%D9%84-%D8%B9%DA%A9%D8%B3

>>14689382
The CEO of a major bank is itself a very high position and as I said this is not an uncommon recourrance. Please take a look at those articles.

And don't forget to read the comments to get a sense of the public opinion.

>>14689170
Extremely based, except for Manson.
Charles Manson > Marilyn Manson

>>14689388
>links
None of this is surprising. The American government has this problem, but on a much, much, much higher level. Reads the post above.

>The CEO of a major bank is itself a very high position
He is not a mullah.

>>14689398
Only 21% of Iranians use the internet. I don't care what your bugmen faggots have to say. I hope the Iranian government tracks them all down and kills them.

>>14689403
I want more people to realize Marilyn Manson is /ourguy/. Just look at the lyrics of the Beautiful people, or anything on Mechanical Animals. I originally was going to put Charlie, but decided to put Marilyn for awareness purposes.

>The worms will live in every host
>It's hard to pick which one they eat the most
>The horrible people, the horrible people
>It's as anatomic as the size of your steeple
>Capitalism has made it this way
>Old-fashioned fascism will take it away

>>14689388
This is the level of corruption that happens in America, by the president.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Economic_Stabilization_Act_of_2008

>Estimates for the total cost of the bailout to the government are as much as $29 trillion.

>>14689413
>Only 21% of Iranians use the internet.
Where did you get this from? Since the 4g became accessible and cheap Chinese phones were imported, now even the villagers have internet access. I have visited some remote cities and they even had other amenity issues like water but none had problem with internet.

Regardless, I highly suggest visiting the country. Don't be too revealing of your beliefs, since that would get you in trouble, but visit, converse with some locals, and see for yourself what really is happening here.

>>14689424
>Regardless, I highly suggest visiting the country. Don't be too revealing of your beliefs, since that would get you in trouble, but visit, converse with some locals, and see for yourself what really is happening here.
I might try to this Summer. I have an EU passport, not just an American one, so it might not be too difficult.

>>14688455
How do you even begin to reconcile any of these people? Nietzsche and Marx, Plato and Nietzsche, Kierkegaard and Stirner, Locke and Marx, Mill and Baudrillard. What the fuck?

>>14688386
levinas is great

As long as it crazy and intersting, we will gobble it up.

>>14688696
You're missing Jesus Christ.

>>14689103
based af
who's the upper left one?

>>14690916
Quine

>>14688337
Look at this use of "our" to assert agreement, a completely low effort post which doesn't provide any substance, only a provocative question.

The only purpose of this thread is to allow the image to make many impressions and mould opinion by appealing to a fake consensus.

And you're all falling for it. Stop being such retarded fuckwits. sage

>>14691149
t. bertredditor