/lit/ - Literature

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>>14672236
also interested in some deep analysis of this that goes beyond the thesis that it's a cope by communists

i think i would hate this paradigm less if the aesthetics weren't so bland. it has to be for everyone so it can't truly be for anyone; it's the refuse of a corporate culture whose preeminence both necessitates participation but only in the lowest risk way possible. its only aim is completely neutral reactions by all onlookers and participants. to be seen participating but to not be noticed beyond mere participation is the aim for almost all of these companies.

>>14672236
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/ted-kaczynski-the-system-s-neatest-trick

>>14672321
So SJW culture is a surreptitious creation of capitalists? LOL that's fucking ironic.

>>14672236
the realm of lesser evil, michéa

>>14672236
I saw the same shit in Tokyo, 3/4 of the people in the parade were from corporations or foreigners.

>>14672321
How does he keep doing it?

>>14672321
this

Marxism in practice

>>14672321
We all know this.
They are the fucking establishment yet pretend they are the next che guevara.
They have all the power and the voice yet act oppressed.
You can't have it both ways ffs

>>14672321
THEY CANT KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT

>>14672236
I hate to link to reddit, but r/stupidpol/ has a good reading list in the sidebar under "Foundational texts". Also, this quote from Adolph Reed:

"Identity politics is not an alternative to class politics; it is a class politics, the politics of the left-wing of neoliberalism. It is the expression and active agency of a political order and moral economy in which capitalist market forces are treated as unassailable nature. An integral element of that moral economy is displacement of the critique of the invidious outcomes produced by capitalist class power onto equally naturalized categories of ascriptive identity that sort us into groups supposedly defined by what we essentially are rather than what we do."

>>14672569
kek how has this subreddit not been banned yet
are the mods just too dumb to realize what they are talking about

>tranny spends a lot of money on frivolous stuff since his life is driven through vice and meaningless entertainment
>say "tranny bad"
>tranny now doesn't spend his parents money on your things

there

people here will blame capitalists but the commies were pushing racial and sexual revolution long before they were.
go read about:
harry hay who as the earliest gay idpol activist, also communist party member
the scottsboro case where commies inflaming racial tensions in the US way back in the 20s
many major american feminists were commies: friedan, millard, flexner, among many others
early black panther party were trained by soviets
the commie takeover of hollywood before ww2
commie influence on folk music: both seegers, guthrie, and others

you are being gaslit by the /leftypol/ posters here
capitalism is shit but to say communists dindu nuffin is bullshit and they are lying

>>14672236
It’s more profitable

>>14672569
If you had a venn diagram of /r/stupidpol users and /lit/ it would be a circle

>>14672321
Who wrote this?

>>14672593
Literally everybody remotely "intellectual' identified as a communist in the early-mid 20th century. Means absolutely nothing.

>>14672635
Oh god not Ted Kaczynski...

>>14672593
Stalin put faggots in camps.

>>14672321
Isn’t this just dialectical materialism?

>>14672640
>NOOO NOT THE UNABOMBERINOOOOO
>NOT THE HECKING TRUTH-SPREADERONIIIIII
>DOOOONT TELL THEEEEEMMMMM

>>14672637
>i don't understand the difference between proximate and ultimate causes

Woke capital is a government psyop to divide and conquer the already deracinated working class. Note how 3rd wave feminism started intensifying around the time the feds were desperately trying to crack down on Occupy protests

None of this shit matters, because leftists like the woke part of woke capital. It's the capital part they hate. If you told them it was woke communism they'd all be for it.

Liberals have money. So theyre pandered too. Muh leftists are fringe nobodies these days. Look at the rage of the iowa shit for even the most moderate of a lefty. Lefties just seem inflated since theyre extremely online

>>14672593
I think it is you who is gas-lighting. The OP is specifically referring to woke capital, meaning the specific brand of social progress pushed by mainstream media and Hollywood. They are not necessarily attacking social progress in general, I believe.

>>14672321
Industrial Society and it's Future also touches on this idea

>>14672646
Literally not at all in any way?

>>14672593
so off-topic it hurts

>>14672766
see >>14672713
communists created this stuff as a means to create crises
it's literally in early 20th century commie vanguardist doctrine
you call it social progress but it is an ideological weapon that has been seized by people you dont like

>>14672593
Americans were lynching people. The racial tensions were definitely inflammed by the right wing.

>>14672781
>who is responsible for an out of control society wrecking weapon is off topic

>>14672792
the whole lynching thing has been overblown by commies in the media and activism
the number of lynchings are actually quite low, there was a post on unz or sailers a few years ago showing how black-on-white racially motivated murders now outnumbers the number of white-on-black lynchings, yet we don't hear anything from your side about that
its amazing when the mask comes off you people
you complain about woke capital but soon as people tear off the mask and show its roots in communist agitation you guys revert to "you deserve it or it was good"
like the other anon said above you guys are just buttmad that its capitalists that now hold the identity politics whip

>>14672792
they were lynching animals, not people.
what were they supposed to do, let niggers cause chaos? the law couldnt handle it.

>>14672797
wait, are you saying lefties are responsible for inventing the gay?

>>14672321
Based. In this thread >>14672434 we have a few examples of his warnings on how progressivism corrupts every possibly subversive movement as if it wants to neutralize it

>>14672849
If he was so prescient why did he choose to make such an ineffectual attack? Was the whole thing just to get publicity for his manifesto?

>>14672882
>Was the whole thing just to get publicity for his manifesto?
Yes, and out of personal satisfaction.

>>14672819
Didn't Maxim Gorky say something along the lines of shooting all the homos will eliminate fascism?

>>14672548
they can and do

>>14672606
No i don't browse reddit.

>>14672236
Anything that starts out as rebellious and 'against the man' gets subverted and co-opted by those in power. It happened with the hippies in the 60s, irony in the 1990s, and progressivism in the 2010s

>>14672236
Something by slajov zizek I assume. Maybe "first as tragedy, then as farce"

Gay people and women buy more perishable goods than other people. Also LGBT people are more prevelant in marketing departments and thus push what they have been psyopped into worshipping. that's it. /thread

>>14673104
>perishable goods
>literature

>>14672236
OP just read any book about marketing

>>14672342
>my SJW strawman fits perfectly in this very bad concept printed on a picture! Aha I'm so intelligent

>>14673322
kill yourself

Meltdown has a place for you as a schizophrenic HIV+ transsexual chinese-latino stim-addicted LA hooker with implanted mirrorshades and a bad attitude. Blitzed on a polydrug mix of K-nova, synthetic serotonin, and female orgasm analogs, you have just iced three Turing cops with a highly cinematic 9mm automatic.

It's just capitalism being capitalism. People get frustrated (likely in part or full because of capitalism), look for social change, and capitalism offers them social change as a commodity. You buy units of social change every time you use Google or Starbucks. Change never actually occurs, just the players move around and the capitalist structures get more rich. Nothing new, abnormal, or inherently lefty or righty. Capital will always capitalize.

>>14673916
What's the endpoint of capitalism? Cos like resources aren't infinite.

>>14673531
>I can't use arguments so I'll just use insults instead

>>14672569
>r/stupidpol/
Without a hint of levity intended, kill yourself

>>14673924
>endpoint of capitalism
Without restraints? Nothing good. The invisible hand is a poor guide for addressing scarcity. That said, the effect of "woke capital" could potentially force the markets into being more sustainable if things get bad enough for the masses. But since these investments in social change are for profit and completely devoid of any semblance of altruism, I suspect the effect will be too slow to create a pattern of sustainability. It's more profitable to conceal problems from consumers and "woke" investments only happen after the cat is out of the bag.

>>14672236
Das Kapital - Karl Marx

Corps adapt, so thats why this shit is looked down on and mocked and they know it but dont care. Theyll adapt anti capitialism if it gets popular enough. People dont actually care about going all the way with it. Youll get a few more safety nets people will cheer and go back to their mundane lives till the next thing.

>>14672236
https://parallaxoptics.wordpress.com/2018/11/12/on-woke-capital/amp/

the purpose is to sell you shit you fucking retard duh fucking inbred monkey

>>14672321
Literally just Adorno, tedfags are fucking tedious

>>14672640
>bomber man bad

>>14674069
>Mixture – this is the most common for your average WokeCorp. Most often, you’ve got true believers in the HR/Diversity and Inclusion positions, who then instruct leadership on how they’re supposed to engage with Wokeness. The greengrocers either go ahead with it due to naivete or as a risk management technique to avoid seeming out of touch or regressive. The ol’ Boomer in the corner office thinking “Well, it doesn’t make sense to me, but this PhD in People Studies is saying this is best practices, so I trust that this is how we do business in the 21st century”. The opportunists see an opportunity to pick up good PR, or sell more to a certain segment with lots of disposable income.

pretty much summarizes it

>>14673924
Transhumanism

>>14672593
And woke capital coopted their efforts
Capitalism demonstrated it's more efficient than communism when it comes to subversion of traditional values and sublimating the needs of humans to the needs of the Machine, but otherwise their end point is the same

>>14672593
Notice how no one actually addresses anything this anon says. I can explain the mentality of leftists who read the post I'm replying to.

1) They look at the beginning skeptically.
2) They identify it as bad, because it doesn't trigger some sort of "This is my kind of guy" feeling.
3) They refuse to process any of the actual content.
4) They think of a response to the post, because they must respond to feel correct, but since they didn't actually read or process any of it, their critique is very lackluster.

Leftists are not just taught what to think, they are trained how to react to certain things. They're like a function which takes an input and gives an output. Modern propaganda works to train these people to give the correct output when given a certain input. This is even better than traditional propaganda, which gets people to believe certain things, because once trained properly, they will automatically believe everything you want them to. This input-output process is also why you'll see them blame capitalists if you attack the elite over something, blatantly ignoring the reality of the situation. You see this a lot with attacks on "corporate media."

>>14672792
very few

>>14674155
You're right about everything, but you cannot disassociate anything of that with modern capitalism and liberalism.

>>14672236
It makes money, defangs the queers and rolls them into they system

>>14672507
167 IQ

>>14674178
The system is inherently faggy anyway

>>14672236
What happens if you work for one of these companies and you don't want to go to the pride parade?

>>14672548
>>14672958

>>14674208
Think of you as a bigot and will get on hrs shitlist probably and terminate you over something stupid in the future

>>14672236
Marx explains it here in one line.., "redressing social grievances"

>>14674244
>>14672236
>A part of the bourgeoisie is desirous of redressing social grievances in order to secure the continued existence of bourgeois society

>To this section belong economists, philanthropists, humanitarians, improvers of the condition of the working class, organisers of charity, members of societies for the prevention of cruelty to animals, temperance fanatics, hole-and-corner reformers of every imaginable kind. This form of socialism has, moreover, been worked out into complete systems

https://genius.com/Karl-marx-communist-manifesto-chap-3-socialist-and-communist-literature-part-2-conservative-or-bourgeois-socialism-annotated

>>14674177
not that anon but that shouldn't even be a question except for utter brainlets that mindlessly worship the capital because they dislike "marxists". There is tendency from the "left" to only point out to capitalism (which for sure is the biggest if not the only actual actor) and never come clean about their own position which as it often turns out is actually the same than libs.

>>14674262
wtf i'm blackpilled now

>>14674155
"Stop clapping, stop clapping!"

>>14674268
Yeah Marx thought SJWs were fags.
Capitalism is GAY
PROBLEM, LIBERAL?

>>14674177
Capitalism is a modern phenomena. I'm against it. But my opposition to it is only in-so-far as it acts as a piece inside an overarching gestalt, this gestalt is a materialistic, progressive worldview. If you look at the class structure of post-industrial societies, you can see that the simple fiscally-based class-warfare framework is obsolete. We have a self-propagating ruling class which spans the political, business, and information classes.

The members of the political class are the politicians and party bosses. They are elected because of financial support from the business class, and popularity created by the information class. The business class gets its money by investing other rich people's money, so in effect it just creates billionaires based purely on their relationship with other members of the business class. They are friends with the political class, so the government sets things up in their favor. Deregulation is a blatant example of this; however, regulation can also help, because it can drive out that company's competitors. The information class consists of tech companies which foster person-to-person communication, journalists, teachers/professors, and the mass-media. I do not think it is necessary to explain this class in much further detail. But I should say that it may be a mistake to call these three groups classes, they are all sub-classes of a single ruling-class. This class should be the focus of the true class-war.

Attacks against capitalism and liberalism are tantamount to saying we should cut off a single tentacle, and the whole squid will die. The true method of revolt is to attack the entire worldview, the gestalt of which capitalism is but a part. There is a concept called intersectionality, which I think reveals this phenomena well. It, essentially, means that all "liberation" movements should work together. It means that feminists should support Muslims, even if these communities appear to be completely opposed to each other. It means that the Muslims should support the blacks. The blacks should support the proletariat, etc. This is clearly indicative of an underlying worldview that drives all these movements, proving that they aren't independent. To counteract this, one must fight the entire underlying worldview, the squid itself.

>>14674244
The religion quote in fuller context makes it seem like Marx actually sympathized with religion.

>>14673959
You first, tranny.

>>14672806
Opposition to lynching is not some off-the-wall radlib position, you sick fuck.

>>14674267
This is basically it. The vast majority of modern leftists are on the liberal spectrum and fundamentally agree with the most basic socially liberal perspectives. Every time they claim to be opposed to woke progressivism, they eventually just adopt their positions.

Their support of sex work and pornography is the best example of this. There literally isn’t an argument to support an exploitative, monopolistic, misogynist mass-consumer business like the porn industry unless you’re just a sexual libertine. No anti-capitalist in their right mind would ever think that it’s okay to support women being coerced by billionaire porn moguls to go into the porn industry, but most modern leftists champion them regardless. The only argument they ever use is the mainstream liberal perspective: “Let women use their bodies? Oh you don’t like seeing naked women? You’re an incel.”

They are just liberals LARPing as socialists, hence why it’s impossible for them to address woke capitalism. You can just take any neoliberal paradigm, wrap it in wokeness, and these people will support it every single time.

>>14675348
Stop posting on a degenerate internet forum, hypocrite. 4chan (and 4channel) have championed the sickest forms of pornography for more than 15 years.

>>14672792
Blacks were also raping white women

>>14672236

Unironically Zizek

>>14674208
it's non-judical punishment for catty hand flappers and field hockey captains

>>14675512
Only the ones who were asking for it.

>>14672321
Very based
>>14672236
Read Adorno and Horkheimer

>>14672236
Its just a product of American power and the fact that America is capitalist. If a Communist revolution had happened in the US we'd have Woke Communism instead. Wokeness here goes back centuries - it's a form of highly evolved Evangelical Christianity, except it denounced God as a bigot at some point.

>>14675478
He's not the hypocrite lol he's saying that communists are hypocrites because the arguments they reflexively use to defend pornography are essentially liberal, that is, they aren't at all embedded in the socialist tradition and are not informed by socialism. From the outside, things like this make communist hostility to liberalism ie "liberals get the bullet too" a bit suspect.

This is simultaneously because the social values of modern communists are indistinguishable from modern liberals, and because communists/leftists get sick dopamine hits from deplatforming socially conservative rightists on liberal platforms (this is good for liberal capitalists because social conservatism is an impediment to international capitalism. and by that I don't secretly mean (((international capitalism)))

>>14672236
Are there people who actually resonate with ths PR bullshit?

>>14675927
You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

>>14674081
Please post an Adorno quote related to the OP

>>14673924
Space X will start importing shit from space to keep it going

>>14672244
why do you reject the thesis of the eternal jew?

>>14676059
Stop gaslighting

>>14672236
Capital as an entity is driven to the subsumation and commodification of all other entities. It is a totalizing force. It subsumed industry quite readily. Commodification and industrialisation of culture is more or less finished. The current step is the subsumation of man's political instincts.

>>14676031
performative wokeness is not done to win approval.
It is done to avoid criticism.

its marketing under the guise of being woke. Same with all corporate charitable initiatives/CSR.