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Why did he say that the prophet Muhammad was reincarnated as a dog?

>>14637145
>To my fellow Guénon(pbuh)-bros out there, pro-tip: you can get some rare articles and essays by him in a large collection titled 'The Veil of Isis' on lib-gen

Wow, thanks, based.

>>14637152
You are incurring great sin by slandering such an honorable man who blessed by God, if you desire a further reply you shall have to produce a reliable source for the alleged comment

>>14637163
Stop avoiding the question

why did advaita vedanta steal so much from buddhism according to scholars and most hindus?

>>14637188
ok.

>>14637200
please answer the question, i'm very distressed about this. i got really curious about advaita vedanta because of /lit/ but i asked a bunch of hindus about it and they all said it was cryptobuddhism, and that most indians think this?

>>14637188
Scholars don't know anything, and there's no such thing as Hindus.

>>14637206
Ok I'll bite, why does it distress you?

>>14637211
but even many major advaita followers like radhakrishnan are saying that shankara was a cryptobuddhist? i'm fucking confused, even the advaita followers admit it?

>>14637145
i wish you would stick a single thread you absolute fucking nigger

>>14637219
mainly i am worried about the traditionalist interpretations of indian philosophy not being legitimate, especially because guenon's most famous student frithjof schuon (pic related, apparently he made his followers draw him naked all the time?) started a native american themed cult in indiana in the 1980s, and got indicted for pedophilia? this is what i read about him

>On October 11th 1991, Frithjof Schuon, the leader of an international religious order, was indicted on the felony charge of child molestation. committed under "cult pressure and influence". The indictment, passed down by a five member Grand Jury, headed by Lucy Cherbas, stated:
>"that Frithjof Schuon... did perform fondling or touching [on three girls] 15 years of age, 14 years of age and 13 years of age, respectively, with the intent to arouse or satisfy sexual desires of Frithjof Schuon, in violation of I.C. 35-42 43. [And that] said persons were compelled to submit to touching by force or imminent threat of force, to wit: by undue cult influences and cult pressures, in violation of 35-42-4-8."

>Jesus Garcia Varela, a high ranking inner circle member of the cult, had been investigated by the Louisville Police in 1991 for nude photos of his 2 young daughters. He escaped prosecution of this episode by claiming that it was a common practice in Spain to visually record a girl's puberty.

>Michael Fitzgerald's son was present at the Gatherings. The boy, then perhaps 14, had been made to watch his mother and her sister, Jennifer Casey, dance nude for Schuon at one of the Gatherings.

i'm worried because schuon's student, hossein seyyed nasr, is still arguably the leading traditionalist and he has never repudiated schuon's behavior. what if all this evil in the traditionalist movement is because guenon misunderstood shankara's cryptobuddhism as the philosophy of the upanishads?

A wonderful thing that I've noticed about Guenon is that his actual contents/arguments are never talked about, not even on his own generals thread. There are only cringy memes, self-congratulatory "based", "BASED" comments, and occasional quotes in unrelated threads.

Has Guenonfag himself even read him? Or is it all just a LARP?

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>>14637239
>Guenon refuted Guenon, retroactively
Nothing personal, kid.

>>14637239
i'm starting to think that guenon does not even exist and this is all an elaborate ruse

Where does the actual metaphysics start? Rationalism bad, science profane, yaddah yaddah, I get it, now where does he start explaining Truth? I need me some Truth

>>14637237
Wow this schuon guy is based and redpilled.

>>14637237
Shouldnt believe everything you read on the internet, schuon was acquitted after all and mark koslow his accuser who has a shady background himself is eternally butthurt about it. As for the crypto Buddhism thing, I cannot help you, I don't see the problem.

>>14637280
i think i would be butthurt too if some guy was making moms dance naked in front of their kids, but i see your point, schuon was acquitted of the pedophilia charges. of course one of his wives came out two years ago and confirmed much of the allegations and said that schuon was a megalomaniacal nudist who liked to grope women so it's hard to tell

it lowers guenon's credibility to me, if he couldn't tell that shankara was a cryptobuddhist

>>14637254
>Where does the actual metaphysics start?
read in this order
1) Man and his Becoming
2) Symbolism of the Cross
3) Multiple States of the Being

>>14637288
>caring about Buddhism

>>14637145
based

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>>14637252
I'm starting to think Guenonfag doesn't really care about Guenon. If you have noticed, Guenonfag and Talebfag shill aggressively, but they rarely (if at all) post at the same time and both of them never discuss the actual content of the books. It's just pure shilling. It's probably a sort of social experiment to see how much influence memeing and shilling on a board could have.

>>14637163
imagine believing in this shit you cuck

>>14637874
>It's probably a sort of social experiment to see how much influence memeing and shilling on a board could have.
well its clearly failing since he's been at it for close to 2 years without much result. All he can do now is multi bump his empty threads.

are there any easy accessible german translations of his works or books about him? cant seem to find any

Any other ex-leftists who got #deradicalized by based Guenon and Evola here? I first actually read Plato, and it all went up from there. I see now how empty the cave which Marx would have us all trapped in. Ahem,
FUCK MATERIALISM

>>14637974
Based!

>>14637145
Guenon's biggest mistake, was thinking Christianity is more degenerate than Hinduism or Buddhism.

>>14638161
Yeah, he uses the same argument protties use against Catholics about the council of Nicea.

So is he a muslim or hindu? Does he know that you can't be both?

>>14637145
So, i don’t know guenon, tell me why should i read him?
>he retroactively refuted x philosopher

Ok, and how?
Lets say the important ones like Kant,Hegel,Russell,Wittgenstein,Husserl or any other you consider relevant.

Another question: why is he, next to Kant and Hegel, not so well known except here on lit? What does make him so important?

>>14637254
>Rationalism bad, science profane, yaddah yaddah, I get it
>now where does he start explaining Truth? I need me some Truth
You are clearly not ready, child. Let his retroactive refutation of modernity simmer in your mind for a while before moving on to deeper topics.

>>14637974
Based. Welcome home, brother.

>>14638277
You shouldn't read him.
He was a pasty cringelord larping as a hindu then a muslim, and is shilled on here by one schizophrenic poster with too much free time.

>>14638288
Finally a human being

Just read The Crisis of the Modern World. Pretty based so far. Can't wait to attain gnosis.

>>14637974
for me it was nick land, then i had to unlearn many things from grad school, then evola which led me to guenon

>>14637145
what does pbuh mean

>>14638550
can you google?

>>14638161
Why? That sounds about right.

>>14637145
>René Guénon (pbuh)
What was his (pbuh) opinion on women?

>>14638550
it means 'pee-bruh', a designation to people who've been embarrassed by other more prolific writers to the point where they pee'd themselves in public.

>>14638765
>pee'd themselves in public
Based!

>>14637237
absolute state of guenonfags

>>14637239
these threads exist to subvert his ideas

>>14639215
>subvert his ideas
>implying you can subvert the transcendental
Someone here sure is trying to subvert his ideas...

>all of Hinduism is advaita vedanta
>NO ALL THOSE OTHER SCHOOLS DON'T COUNT
>MUH ORTHODOXY LALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU

>>14637239
I and many other great anons have read most of Guenon(pbuh)'s works. In fact, this thread wasn't made by me, so I'm happy the movement is growing.

>>14639475
I doubt it, because his contents are never discussed.

>>14639483
What would you like to talk about, anon?

>>14639497
I don't, but if the "movement" was genuine, you would have been discussing his works with the "other great anons". So far I only see your contentless spams.

>>14637145
prolly been asked before but what are the good intro geunon books?

Should he be read in french? I'm in the basics of learning french right now and I might hold off until I've become proficient.

>>14637145
Those pictures with the faggy cartoon face are so cringe.

>>14639867
I haven't read his work in French yet, but even a translation (I've only read him in 2 languages) is sufficient to impart some major illumination onto the reader, so I wouldn't put off reading Guénon (pbuh) just because of that.

>>14639510
These great anons use symbolism or what is profanely known as "memes" to communicate about his ideas.

>>14639483
>no agitated appearance of a lot of discussion implies no good discussion
you are affected by the reign of quantity, brother. one does not need to spam paragraphs of text like when discussing profane and incoherent ramblings of the numerous "philosophers" who each have their toy system contradicting every other toy system out there.
geunonian thought is so pure that just contemplating it alone and encouraging other anons to do so is an intellectual discussion of its own.

>Guenon posters IRL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxcV4_azrbE

>read lots of guenon in 2014-2015
>post about him on /lit/
>remember there was a nice evola poster here around that time too
>2016
>guenon spammers arrive
>ruin every discussion of traditionalism like pests
>tfw now i'm getting into some eastern thinkers
>first thought is "i should talk about that with my gay internet friends on /lit/"
>second thought is "oh yeah, the schizos, guess i can't"

thanks guenon spammers

>>14640584
Yeah it's become obvious they don't care about Guenon himself or his works. As for why they spam him, it's a mystery. But please feel free to discuss what you've been reading, Thankfully these spammers have no influence out of /lit/.

>>14640606
>they don't care about Guenon himself or his works
Please speak for yourself. I do care a lot about his work.

>>14640648
You evidently don't. If you did, as >>14639483 says, there would have been discussions about his works.

>>14640654
>You evidently don't.
Please speak for yourself. I do care a lot about his work.
As >>14640051 and >>14640091 said, there is actual discussion about his works.

I keep seeing guenonfag/guenonposters/whatever going on about how "intuition" is superior to reason and empiricism, but never bother to actually explain why or how it is and what exactly it consists of.
Can someone here explain that, or is it just shitposting.

>>14640758
As the anons above have uncovered, the guenonfag(s) don't actually read guenon. At best they've skimmed wikipedia and are throwing around buzzwords. If you really curious about the peculiar strengths of intuition, I would suggest Jung's Psychological Types.

>>14637145
I've only read the essential Guenon, because it was recommended as an entryway into Evola. (And it was, a very good one.) There are two questions I have. One is if there's an actual point in reading more Guenon after you understand his main themes and the Traditional mentality. Two is if it's worthwhile to get into other perennialists like Commaraswamy.

>>14640795
>Evola
It's best to avoid that confused and counter-tradition brainlet. He was refuted by guénon (pbuh) retroactively.

>>14640795
I'm contemplating whether guenon is a meme or not. Could you summarize what you have gotten out of reading The Essential Guenon?

>>14640776
>I would suggest J*ng's Psychological Types.
Of course you would, you literal demon worshipper. Jung falls under the same infallible and lucid critique of Guénon of rationalism and empiricism and sentimentalism. J*ng does not have the slightest clue as to what intellectual intuition is.
>>14640811
>reading The Essential Guenon?
That wasn't written by Guénon. Just read his "Crisis of the Modern World", brother. That should be enough for you to decide.

>>14640825
Easy there, guenonfag. You haven't read either of them and I certainly wasn't asking you.

>>14640776
>If you really curious about the peculiar strengths of intuition, I would suggest Jung's Psychological Types.
Can you give me the quick rundown?

>>14640776
>anti-guenon(pbuh)
>spreads degenerate filth like Jung and Delezue around
Every single time.
>>14640795
>thinks highly of Ebola
>after you understand his main themes
I can almost assure you that you don't.

>>14640835
>You haven't read either of them
I preside over a weekly reading of selected chapters from Guénon (pbuh) in my university.

>>14640837
Just read Jordan Peterson's 12 rules for life.

>>14640863
>Just read Jordan Peterson's 12 rules for life.
But I already wash my penis.

>>14640855
based...

>>14640808
You're just spouting memes. Evola and Guenon wrote to each other, and agreed on most things.

>>14640811
Basically religions are divided into the esoteric and exoteric. Exoteric parts of religions all differ; however, within all these religious Traditions there is a universal esoteric truth held in common, even among religions that war with each other like Islam and Hinduism. There is a strong belief in "transcendence" and things like the social theories and science of those who adhere to Guenon's thought (called Traditionalists or adherents of the Perennial Philosophy) typically place a strong emphasis on connection with this transcendent. I'm not giving him full justice here, there is a whole worldview associated with the perennial philosophy that would take a book to describe. Evola's "Revolt Against the Modern World" is a very good book for seeing Guenon's philosophy applied to the real world; Evola is like Applied Traditionalism.

Unfortunately, I couldn't tell you for certain how much I do or do not know about Guenon, simply because I've only read the essential Guenon. What I've said is just the main themes of Traditionalism, the ones most people talk about. It's possible that there's a lot I'm missing out on, thus I asked if I should bother reading more and if other perennialists are worthwhile.

>>14640837
>The capacity for directed thinking I call intellect; the capacity for passive or undirected thinking I call intellectual intuition.

>As you know I call intuition any kind of perception which takes place in a way that cannot be explained by the function of the senses.

>One source is the unconscious, which spontaneously produces such fantasies; the other source is life, which, if lived with complete devotion, brings an intuition of the self, the individual being.

>Intuitives show a quite extraordinary inability to register sensation facts, they have extraordinary fantasies about a thing, they intuit what is inside the locked drawer, but have no idea what the bureau looks like outside.

>On the other side, intuition does not look at things as they are. That is anathema to the intuition. It looks ever so shortly at
things as they are, and makes off into an unconscious process at the end in which he will see something nobody else will see.

>In the West we are always using our intuition on outward things, but the East turns their Sangskara-skandha inwards.

>>14640795
I'm not Guenonfag nor a guenonfag, but yes all three are worth reading. At least depending on your interests. If you're simply interested the intellectual history of modern esotericism they're still worth knowing, at least their major works. And if you're interested in great philosophy in its own right, Guenon and Evola are worth reading, although in that case you should prefer their more original insights and writings to their orientalist writings. If you are interested in orientalism and its reception, Coomaraswamy is nice, Evola is not so good, and Guenon is a bog standard neo-vedantist.

In short, the most interesting dimensions of Guenon and Evola are their original ideas, not their orientalist scholarship. Coomaraswamy fares a little better in that regard, but he's less interesting philosophically if you ask me.

>>14640883
>Evola and Guenon wrote to each other
I fail to see how that stops Evola from being a counter-tradition degenerate. Tell me, which orthodox tradition was he a part of? Also, by your logic, schuon (a confirmed degenerate who claimed to have visions of both the Buddha and the Virgin Mary telling him to walk around naked in front of people) is also based and traditional even though he supported pr*testantism.
>on most things
Read reign of quantity. It refuted your retarded attitude of believing something to be tradition merely for surface level agreement on "most" things.

>>14640883
>Applied Traditionalism
Sounds extremely pozzed and satanic. Thanks for the recommendation to avoid these perennialistic thinkers.

>>14640899
>their original ideas
Guenon (pbuh) had no 'original ideas', as he was merely transmitting an Ancient Wisdom to his readers in the modern world. Even the existence of these 'original ideas' in his work would invalidate it immediately.

>>14640945
What the fuck is wrong with this fag?

>>14640811
Adding to what this poster was saying >>14640883 a little bit, I would caution you that there are "vulgar" Guenonians and Evolans all over the internet, and their opinions should be worth nothing to you. There are ten thousand Evola fanboys out there for every thoughtful Nouvelle Droite reader of him, and there are fifty thousand braindead Nasr worshipers, who just want to piss on a Guenon statue to purify it every morning, for every one Carl Schmitt who reads Guenon and actually sees the philosophical merit of his work. The Evola fanboys will tell you to read The Bell Curve, the Guenon fanboys will tell you that Guenon is just Shankara's reincarnation saying exactly what was in the Upanishads, and that you should go suck Nasr's dick while he works for the CIA. Listen to neither.

As with anything though, shallow readers and narrow-minded idiots can still be useful once in a while. They can at least tip you off to the names of books and stuff.

>>14640945
This is an example of the neo-vedantist cultists I mean.

>>14640952
Explain yourself.

>>14640885
I see, but honestly strikes me as being basically just gut feeling. Still, I don't see why intuition would be superior to reason/senses, though.

>>14640959
>Guenon is just Shankara's reincarnation saying exactly what was in the Upanishads
This is unironically true though. Nice try at muddying the waters and mixing in degeneracy with the Ineffable Light of Guénon (pbuh).

>>14640959
Thank you for this post. I agree. I keep hearing Nasr worked for CIA. Is that true? What's the evidence for it?

>>14640981
>Thank you for this post. I agree.
based crypto-guenonposter!

>>14637145
Based!

>>14640993
He's replying to me and I fucking hate Guenonfag and I fucking hate 99% of traditionalists. I met 5000 of them in college, including ones who bragged constantly about studying directly with Nasr, and they were all either brain-fried larpers, dangerously mentally ill, or dumb gullible young people who thought they were being inducted into a secret society.

>>14640981
It's based on one expose but it is pretty frequent scuttlebutt at least in the weirdo circles I've been in.

So what I gather from this thread:
>Traditional writers in Christianity, Islam, Advaita (= orthodox Hinduism) - based
>Guenon - based
>Evola, Nasr, Neo-gueonians - cringe
Thank you all for the input. I will download some Guenon books now.

I want to be the hero that rids this board of guenon. What authors should I read? I'm guessing Buddhist philosophy is the way to go.

Someone give me a reading list and in a month or two I will gallantly ride against the guenonfags.

>>14641014
>I fucking hate Guenonfag
Why though? Isn't he considered essentially a prophet by some people for spreading the good message?
>hate 99% of traditionalists
Agreed. What were your experiences like with them? Did they actually follow Islam or we're larpers like schuon who justify their inobservance with the most weird shit possible?

>>14641019
There is no "orthodox" Hinduism, and if it were a contest to be the most orthodox, Advaita would lowest in the rankings. Advaita is a late interpretation heavily influenced by Buddhist nondualism. See this post: >>14637188

If you want to get really specific, post-1800 nondualism is a neo-Hinduism formulated mostly by Europeans and European-raised upper class Hindus based on German idealism and various forms of syncretism, especially with Sufism.

Doesn't mean it's not interesting. But it ain't orthodox Hinduism.

>>14641026
>I'm guessing Buddhist philosophy is the way to go.
Start with finding a logically non-btfo and coherent unrefuted philosophy. Such as the Orthodox Hiduism espoused under the name Advaita-Vedanta by Shankaracharya (pbuh).

>>14641045
>See this post
The constant quoting of "MoDRN ReSEArch" makes me extremely suspect. What good reason do I have for not disregarding that post immediately?

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Based.
(PBUH)

>>14640964
Jung never said it's superior, but that it's severely under used in the west. It's more nuanced than "gut feeling" in that Jung and Schopenhauer claimed that all beings are connected/one (collective unconscious/Will) and this intuition that Jung speaks of brings forth knowledge from the unconscious without the individual having to access it by the normal means. There were situations when Jung himself eerily and intentionally used intuition to prove it to Freud which scared the fuck out of the latter.

>[Jung asked Freud] what his views might be on precognition and parapsychology, Freud
replied abruptly: Sheer nonsense! — "and in terms," states Jung, "of so shallow a positivism that I had difficulty in checking the sharp retort on the tip of my tongue."

>"I had a curious sensation," Jung continues in his account of this first real crisis in their friendship. "It was as if my diaphragm were made of iron and were becoming red-hot — a glowing vault. And at that moment there was
such a loud report in the bookcase, which stood right next to us, that we started up in alarm, fearing the thing was going to topple over on us. I said to Freud: There, that is an example of a so-called catalytic exteriorization phenomenon.'

>'Oh come!' he exclaimed. That is sheer bosh.'

> 'It is not,' I replied. 'You are mistaken, Herr Professor. And to prove my point I now predict that in a moment there will be another such loud report!'

>Sure enough, no sooner had I said the words than the same detonation went off in the bookcase. . . . Freud only stared aghast at me. I do not know what was in his mind, or what his look meant. In any case, this incident aroused
his mistrust of me, and I had the feeling that I had done something against him."

>>14641019
> I will download some Guenon books now.

Forgot you. Based.

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>>14640964
Just be aware that whatever Jung talks about here (and literally anywhere in his writing unless he is for some reason quoting middle-age thinkers) is in disagreement with the Mighty Guénon (pbuh).

>>14640899
I've gotten a lot of useful information from them, but don't really adhere to the main notion of "Tradition." I think my main attraction to people like Guenon is that, even if the author wasn't right about everything, he wasn't a deranged modernist type, so he was still able to receive a lot of good information from his insanely impressive scholarship. Any recommendations for me to read about "occult" philosophy?

>>14640925
You may be too quick to judgment. The term "Tradition" is very different in the context of Guenon and the perennial philosophy.

>>14640959
Evola in particular is weird. I'm very sympathetic to /pol/-thought, so I don't mind that they like Evola, but it's obvious that the vast majority of people, including anons, aren't capable of understanding Evola. I don't know why he became a meme. All philosophers have to deal with the simple-minded admirers who simply repeat individual sentences of their writings, rather than truly absorbing the interconnected worldview being transmitted, but Evola in particular has so few people who understand him relative to the number of people who read him.

>>14641073
>Jung never said it's superior
I was taking about the guenonposter or whatever, but honestly I guess they just like to shitpost, going by this thread.
Anyway, thanks for the rundown.

>>14641083
>The term "Tradition" is very different in the context of Guenon and the perennial philosophy
Do you mean Evola is just a perversion of it? Because I know for a fact that the symbols 'Applied Traditionalism' always carry a satanic meaning.

>>14641037
In my experience there are a few kinds of Traditionalists. The biggest, and probably the core group is simply emigrants from Muslim countries whose parents are likely liberal, secular, first or second generation immigrants with enough money to give their children good educations. The children then go off to school but unlike their parents they have the privilege to be bored and to ask what life is all about, because they aren't first-gen immigrants focused on establishing their families like their parents were. Like many people in similar situations they become interested in religion and tradition, and because they're immigrants they obviously become interested in "their own" traditions. But the secularism of their parents doesn't provide any vehicle to a tradition, so they obviously end up seeking out the most prestigious, consistent, and intellectualized (since they're likely college students) ersatz tradition they can find to justify their desire to simply go to church/mosque and pray.

In Traditionalism they find a lot of things. They find a group of people that encourages them to go to mosque meta-ironically, makes them feel less embarrassed and out of place there, which is a vehicle to just going to mosque and praying sincerely, which is likely a new experience for them as part of a post-sincerity urban upper class college student culture. They find people who roleplay as wise ancient sages, and they feel like they're being inducted into a cool secret society.

The rest are mostly white college students who want to become Sufis (there are always a few of these new agers around), but obviously these disenchanted kids tend to become Catholics or Orthodox instead of larping Muslims. If they still claim to be Traditionalists it will usually be with a little more distance than the resident Guenonfag does, since they can't quite come to terms with going full Orientaboo or Sufiboo.

And then there are the Schuon types who are just insane. Imagine a new ager who is no longer 25 and dabbling, but has been larping as a spirit shaman for 40 years and going to Californian retreats. Traditionalists can be indistinguishable from Theosophists, Gurdjieffians, and other flakes up close. Just the new age milieu.

The core is the late-life converted Muslims whose parents were fairly secular. This is the Nasr crowd. They have nothing to offer really, and they act like a cult. Google some internet forums where people talk about Guenon and look for the ones where everyone posts like
>Brother Nathaniel, a thousand blessings upon you... So glad to hear you have begun reading Schuon... However I am quite concerned that (and so on)
that's the Nasr people. Boring.

>>14641082
And that's a good thing. Jung was a real scientist and philosopher with whom the modern world is just starting to catch up. Guenon was a retard who couldn't even finish his dissertation.

>>14641051
You mock but once I've read the entire Tibetan corpus and I am able to show that Shankara was proactively refuted then you must agree to bend the knee and seek refuge in the three jewels.

>>14641083
Meant to reply to this in my long post above but ran out of space. Webb's Occult Underground is OK. Lachman I think is a very shallow author but he can at least give you lists of names to be interested in. Frankly most people into this shit learn about it by hanging out with other people interested in it (initiation!!) and simply pick up the who's-who as they go. This is part of the "oooh I'm being inducted into an elite secret order" vibe that fills so many young people with purpose and lures them into thinking they're special because they read two Guenon books or watched Gurdjieff videos on Youtube. The new age flakes I mentioned above.

I definitely agree, Evola has been tainted by shallow /pol/ morons in the same way Guenon has been tainted by the resident fucking idiot on /lit/ making cringey reddit posts like these
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But that's just doxa. Ignore the retards. I'm no Evolan but he's perfectly worth reading, mostly for his insights and not for his orientalist stuff. His orientalist histories remind me of Eliade, they're okay but meh.

>1388 years since the death of the Prophet ﷺ
>he still reads retroactively cancelled philosophers
shaking my head...

>>14641136
Do you even remember the days when you tried to post real shit? Have you actually gone insane? Why are you going out of your way to be irritating?

>>14641117
>science
Refuted by Guenon.
>philosophy
Refuted by Guenon.
>modern world
Refuted by Guenon.
>dissertation
Refuted by Guenon.

Next?

>>14641144
Was Guenon refuted by Guenon?

>>14641136
>>14641144
Holy based...

>>14641116
I didn't even know these people existed. 5000 of them in college? Are they hiding in plain sight?

>>14641142
I would really like to know what the fuck is wrong with him.

>>14641128
>mostly for his insights
Name two which you cannot glean from anywhere else in the same illuminating manner.
>>14641160
They are like the people of Gog and Magog, hiding behind a wall or some shit.

Holy fuck Survive the Jive just absolutely demolished Guenon on his stream. He perfectly illustrated that Guenon was completely without wisdom and that Evola reactively refuted Guneon.
>https://youtu.be/-vuladwMBWU?t=1370
>22:50
Honestly, I really don't see how Guenonfags can recover from this...

>>14641149
Yes.

>>14641160
They're really overrepresented in certain universities and then absent at others. They take pride in how they have secret Traditionalist professors embedded at some schools and so on.

Okay not 5000, it was more like dozens, but yeah. Like I was saying, if you hang out with the weirdo crowd you'll meet a lot of people who are roleplaying that they are part of a spooky secret order. The Blavatsky people did the same around 1900 (and still do it, hell I ran into a few in the library recently), the Gurdjieff crowd does it, the Steiner people sometimes. The Traditionalists are probably the most numerous. Just imagine what it was like in the 1970s, when you could be some preppy guy with a van like Castaneda, roleplay as a guru, and get a bunch of white Harvard students to come live in the forest with you and wear beads for some reason.

>>14641136
>>14641144
>>14641158
Based.

>5780 years since the creation of אדם (pbuh)
>he is still reading his Jung and Deleuze and Wittgenstein
Truly a shameful display...

>>14641171
I guess fedora atheism did take its toll after all. Actual religions will not do anymore, so they have to go to obscure esotericists.

>>14641181
>absolutely demolished Guenon
He is still alive, so no. One would perish from existence the instant he accomplished such a contradictory feat.

>tfw philosophy major
>discover that philosophy has been canceled by guenon
Books to cope with this?

>>14641220
Based thread, bros.

>>14641220
Don't fret. Even guenon himself was canceled by guenon (retroactively).

>>14641128
I've listened to Gary Lachman on YouTube. You can tell by his personality that he's not the sort to carry much in the ways of profound insight. Occult Underground sounds interesting though. It seems like a good idea to get a better grasp of everything going on around the time the New Age became a thing.

>>14641196
Can you tell me about your experiences with these groups?

>>14641128
>This is part of the "oooh I'm being inducted into an elite secret order" vibe that fills so many young people with purpose
Are there cute girls there? I'm somewhat enligthened so I could easily pretend to be a new Prophet to finally lose my virginity.

>>14641298
Seconding this. I actually believe I'm destined to be a Prophet so if it helps with girls I would really like to know.

Why are there suddenly so many threads about Guenon?

Also, whats the desk about him? He wrote texts on Christianity and Hinduism, was a part of a Gnostic Church, but later became a muslim? Whats going on here?

>>14641355
There is literally one retard (or schizo) known as guenonfag who thinks it's funny to spam guenon. Don't mind him.

>>14641368
There is also a redditor spamming him as well, either to get that memelord cred.
Or to make lit truly disgusted with him.

>>14641355
>>14641387
>Why are there suddenly so many threads about Guenon?
>There is also a redditor spamming him as well
Based! Even Reddit is now seeing the truth!

>>14641136
>>14641197
Quality posts, my friends.
(pbuh).

>>14641220
guenon's (pbuh) books of course

>>14641968
Based!

>>14641387
>NO FUNPOSTING ALLOWED

ok whiteheadfag

>>14641220
Just specialise in classical theism particularly Neoplatonism or Scholasticism or just Eastern philosophy

>>14640584
2016 election migrants have killed this entire site.

>>14642419
They certainly have. We thought the reddit tourists would fuck off or at least be contained on /pol/ but apparently not. Guenonfag was probably one of those Shapiro retards who found traditionalism via Steve Bannon.

>>14641976
>NO FUNPOSTING
It isn't fun when it's being spammed to death.
I find guenons work to be good, but not this guenonposter.

>>14637145
Guenon fag likes reporting people's threads.

>>14642450
Im actually a lit oldfag

>>14641149
>>14641188
"rene guenon does not exist, rene guenon is only a symbol"

>>14643268
guenonfag wasn't around until the kant boogeyman blew him the fuck out

>>14643812
Kant was BTFO by Guénon and Hindu metaphysics

>Kant claimed that it wasn't possible for humans to have intellectual intuition because he couldn't think of how it was possible (Guenon succinctly and accurately flays him in 'Intro to Hindu Doctines' for wishing to impose the limits of his own ignorance upon others). The supreme irony is that Kant himself in his first critique admitted that God would have to have intellectual intuition because otherwise He would be subject to limits which could not be true as any true supreme God is unlimited. As the Upanishads state that God is really the inner Self of all beings it provides the explanation in accordance with Kant's thought for how they can experience intellectual intuition (i.e. it's really God inside their consciousness who has this intuition) but because Kant never left Konigsberg he never had the chance to be initiated into the metaphysical teachings and associated spiritual practices which allow someone to do this.

>>14643812
This >>14644251.
Kant was cancelled by Rene Guenon (pbuh). Nobody takes him seriously anymore after he was shamed out of the public discourse like that.

>>14644338
How de we refute and cancel Guénon, bros? He is threatening my comfy academia job where I write meaningless retroactively invalidated papers and present them as the next epic philosophy that is going to solve suffering and capitalism.

>>14644251
>>14644338
>>14644402
the root ontology of Traditionalism is a hodgepodge of late 19th century esotericism and hermetic syncretism, post-Kantian Religionswissenschaft and Protestant theology, the Religionsgeschichtliche Schule and its early 20th century offshoots, which also had a post-Kantian epistemology, and a healthy dose of Romantic theory on religion and myth, which has been described by Beiser and other scholars as "neo-Platonist," or as the "archetypal" strand of Kant interpretation. Read any myth-related text of Schelling and you will see Traditionalism. Actually, read Paul Bishop's book _The Archaic_ for a decent discussion of the core concept(s) from which Traditionalism sprang. Its ontology is part of a general response to Kantian rationalism that involved a re-introduction of archetypal (i.e., Platonic) metaphysics with a vaguely emanationist structure -- that is, bootleg neo-Platonism.

This movement was (and remains) deliberately syncretic because when you identify the primary forms or archetypes with a symbolic and mythic structure (as ALL of the traditions I just outlined did), you get a philosophy and history of religion that makes all traditions into particular instantiations of underlying immutable principles (as all of the traditions I just outlined concluded). Just read _The Oriental Renaissance_ by Schwab, which was praised highly by Mircea Eliade, about whom both Guenon and Evola complained in correspondence that he was a Guenonian Traditionalist who wouldn't cop to the fact and that he was getting credit for Guenon's ideas especially. Eliade agreed; so Guenon, Evola, and Eliade agree that Eliade is a reasonably faithful transposition of Guenonian philosophy, and Eliade embraces Schwab's diagnosis of syncretic, Fruhromantik neo-Platonism as the basis of the Traditionalist worldview, e.g., as its syncretic neo-Platonist framework effortlessly reduces and re-appropriates Hinduism, Islam, Platonism, and everything else to be simply an emanation of its own "central, really real" myths and archetypes. That is why "Hinduism looks like neo-Platonism," a favourite line of Traditionalists -- real similarities between the two systems, perhaps owing to some real underlying Indo-European metaphysics, are in fact bowled over and destroyed by Traditionalism's extremely lazy neo-Platonist framework, which has been called "all-reducing." Traditionalists did not save or invent the method of comparative religions -- they killed it, and laminated its corpse.

tldr: Traditionalism is an esoterically-oriented synthesis of scholarly paradigms that go back to Kant, under which paradigms traditional neo-Platonism, and Christian and especially German mysticism were reinterpreted by the early Romantics. And it's a late-comer to the game at that.

>>14644476
based

>>14644251
>>14644338
>>14644402
cringe and samefag

>>14644476
>the root ontology of Traditionalism is a hodgepodge of late 19th century esotericism and hermetic syncretism, post-Kantian Religionswissenschaft and Protestant theology, the Religionsgeschichtliche Schule and its early 20th century offshoots, which also had a post-Kantian epistemology, and a healthy dose of Romantic theory on religion and myth, which has been described by Beiser and other scholars as "neo-Platonist," or as the "archetypal" strand of Kant interpretation. Read any myth-related text of Schelling and you will see Traditionalism. Actually, read Paul Bishop's book _The Archaic_ for a decent discussion of the core concept(s) from which Traditionalism sprang. Its ontology is part of a general response to Kantian rationalism that involved a re-introduction of archetypal (i.e., Platonic) metaphysics with a vaguely emanationist structure -- that is, bootleg neo-Platonism.
>This movement was (and remains) deliberately syncretic because when you identify the primary forms or archetypes with a symbolic and mythic structure (as ALL of the traditions I just outlined did), you get a philosophy and history of religion that makes all traditions into particular instantiations of underlying immutable principles (as all of the traditions I just outlined concluded). Just read _The Oriental Renaissance_ by Schwab, which was praised highly by Mircea Eliade, about whom both Guenon and Evola complained in correspondence that he was a Guenonian Traditionalist who wouldn't cop to the fact and that he was getting credit for Guenon's ideas especially. Eliade agreed; so Guenon, Evola, and Eliade agree that Eliade is a reasonably faithful transposition of Guenonian philosophy, and Eliade embraces Schwab's diagnosis of syncretic, Fruhromantik neo-Platonism as the basis of the Traditionalist worldview, e.g., as its syncretic neo-Platonist framework effortlessly reduces and re-appropriates Hinduism, Islam, Platonism, and everything else to be simply an emanation of its own "central, really real" myths and archetypes. That is why "Hinduism looks like neo-Platonism," a favourite line of Traditionalists -- real similarities between the two systems, perhaps owing to some real underlying Indo-European metaphysics, are in fact bowled over and destroyed by Traditionalism's extremely lazy neo-Platonist framework, which has been called "all-reducing." Traditionalists did not save or invent the method of comparative religions -- they killed it, and laminated its corpse.
>tldr: Traditionalism is an esoterically-oriented synthesis of scholarly paradigms that go back to Kant, under which paradigms traditional neo-Platonism, and Christian and especially German mysticism were reinterpreted by the early Romantics. And it's a late-comer to the game at that.
Cringe.

>>14644476
t. has never read Guénon (pbuh)

Maybe someday you'll be intelligent enough to grasp his (pbuh) thought.

>>14644493
Why do you want to force people to read this particular author? What is the point what do you get out it? I don't get it.

>>14644504
>Why do you want to force people to read this particular author?
I actually don't want to. It's more fun when you see obviously intellectually inferior beings writing paragraphs of text easily refuted by just reading Guénon (pbuh).

>>14644504
>Why do you want to force people to read this particular author?
He doesn't even want to do that. He never discusses Guenon's works. Likely he hasn't even read them. He just for some reason spams it.

>>14644338
>Nobody takes him seriously anymore after he was shamed out of the public discourse like that.
He's literally taught at every higher education course, even Indian universities teach him. Guenon on the other hand remains an irrelevant literally who outside these threads.

>>14644558
this

pic related

>>14644592
kek

>>14644558
>Guénon was a brainle-
He was proficient at Greek, Latin, English, Italian, German, Spanish, Sanskrit, Hebraic, Arabic and Chinese, was trained in mathematics and was extremely well-read in both eastern and western philosophy
>Guénon was a stupid posing larpe-
He was initiated into both a Vietnamese Taoist Triad as well as the al-'Arabiyya Shadhiliyya Sufi order, furthermore in all his writings he stressed the need for personal and genuine participation in whatever Traditions one aspired to follow. His acquaintances both Egyptian and western observed that he scrupulously followed Islamic observances during his life in Egypt
>Guénon was a literal nobody, he was not influenti-
Among the many western philosophers, artists and authors who were influenced by him or who heaped praise on him include Carl Schmitt, Georges Bataille, Aleksander Dugin, Antonin Artaud, Olavo de Carvalho, André Breton, Mircea Eliade, Alain Danielou, Julius Evola, André Malraux, Albert Gleizes, René Daumal, Raymond Queneau, Paul Ackerman, Huston Smith, William Chittick, Steve Bannon, Harry Oldmeadow, James Cutsinger and Hossein Nasr. Furthermore as Nasr notes in his article 'The Influence of Rene Guenon in the Islamic World', Guénon is well-known and influential among the intelligentsia including traditional Islamic scholars in certain Islamic countries such in Turkey, Iran, Pakistan and Malaysia. Guénon is also taught in some 'history of western esoterism/mysticism' classes at the few universities which offer them.
>Guénon just made a bunch of stupid and unjustified comparisons between religio-
To the contrary over the course of some twenty odd books he painstakingly and patiently elucidated the fundamental agreement between the metaphysics of Advaita Vedanta, Taoism, Sufism, Hermeticism and Christian esoterism, work that Coomaraswamy built on and further confirmed

>>14644592
>Virtually all subsequent Western philosophy
Wait is this true? how the fuck does Guenon compete with this? He hasn't even influenced a single Eastern philosophical tradition

>>14644606
>oh shit what do I do now? how do I comeback??
>*open notepad*
>*copy paste*
>checkmate!

>>14644623
this is just sad

>>14644606
>He was initiated into both a Vietnamese Taoist Triad
cringe

>Carl Schmitt, Georges Bataille, Aleksander Dugin, Antonin Artaud, Olavo de Carvalho, André Breton, Mircea Eliade, Alain Danielou, Julius Evola, André Malraux, Albert Gleizes, René Daumal, Raymond Queneau, Paul Ackerman, Huston Smith, William Chittick, Steve Bannon, Harry Oldmeadow, James Cutsinger and Hossein Nasr
The only one relevant in that list is Eliade. Everyone else is literally who.

>Guénon is well-known and influential among the intelligentsia including traditional Islamic scholars in certain Islamic countries such in Turkey, Iran, Pakistan and Malaysia
>Turkey, Iran, Pakistan and Malaysia
lol

>>14644592
>an erroneous refuted thinker influenced virtually all of erroneous refuted philosophy
Woah! You really showed him!

>>14644640
you haven't seen anything yet

>>14644640
The whole situation is sad. He doesn't have anything better to do in a Saturday morning than spam guenon on a literal back alley of the internet

>>14644592
>>14644609
>profane 'many'
>profane 'influence'
>profane 'all'
>profane 'considerable'
Retroactively refuted in pic related.

>>14644658
based 4chan detective

>>14644653
>'him'
>posts his own memes
ok guenonfag we get it your literary father figure at least helped Bannon secure the White House, no need to samefag his phantom relevancy.

>r-retroactive
>uh its actually preempti-
>n-no its r-r-retroactive durrrr

>>14644592
All of those accomplishments and yet it all amounts to nothing because he was refuted by Guénon (pbuh), how sad. One can only hope that in the next life which his subtle body transmigrated to that Kant was able to achieve some sort of personal contact with or initiation into the primordial Tradition better late than never!
>>14644606
mega-based
>>14644558
Absolutely seething, Guénon (pbuh) is incredibly influential in Russian and the Islamic world, and increasingly in the West. Just about every worthwhile 20th and 21st century thinker was influenced by him.
>>14644513
This lol, it's like they don't know that everything they're writing was already retroactively refuted by Guénon (pbuh), it just goes to show that none of these bozos have read him
>>14644504
No one's forcing anything. WE are the ones making threads to talk about Guénon (pbuh) in, YOU are the one who made the decision to come into here of your own accord to throw a fit, you didn't have to enter into this thread, nobody forced you to. If the venerable Guénon (pbuh) makes you so upset then I suggest you stay out of the thread or return to r/books where the discussion is more suited to your level
>>14644476
every element that you claim went into Traditionalism was actually retroactively refuted by Guénon (pbuh) ironically enough, from Kant to Orientialism to Protestant theology, Guénon (pbuh) destroyed all of them with his superb logic and insight.
>>14644402
You can't, the best you can do is just to subtly make your system agree with Guénon (pbuh) so that it's not vulnerable to retroactive refutation.
>>14644338
based
>>14644251
based
>>14642419
dilate
>>14641355
>whats the desk about him?
Guénon (pbuh) ended philosophy and solved metaphysics, he became a Sufi because that was his preferred method out of the multiple paths available in various religions which can be used to approach the supreme and eternal truth of non-duality, perhaps best exemplified by the writings of Sri Shankaracharya (pbuh)
>>14642110
This is actually good advice
>>14641181
STJ is cool, but Guénon (pbuh) is right that western paganism is dead and cannot be revived, there is no tradition of metaphysical knowledge or spiritual instruction belonging to it which has been passed down to our time, it's unironic larping, unfortunately.
>>14641144
holy based
>>14641136
based
>>14641126
Shankaracharya (pbuh) is infallible, the Tibetans flee before his brilliance. You won't find anything in the Tibetan corpus refuting him, as the Tibetan corpus is heavily based on Yogachara (which was refuted by Shankaracharya (pbuh)) and Madhyamika (which was refuted by Richard Robinson); and the remaining Tantric stuff is mostly crypto-Shaivism.
>>14641051
this

>>14644592
Yea I wouldn’t advise Guénon fanatics to challenge Kant. Kant was on a whole another level, Guénon should be in the kids table with Land and Kaczynski.

>>14644732
>shit stain on guenons forehead
Based

>>14644790
Kant was already obliterated by Guenon (pbuh), see >>14644251, Kant simply couldn't content with the Sanatana doctrine.

>>14644476
>>/lit/thread/S14395216#p14397350

>>14644683
>profane 'Bannon'
>profane 'White House'
Completely and utterly retroactively demolished by Shaykh René Guénon (pbuh).

>>14644732
>WE are the ones making threads
I like how you have to emphasize the 'we' by putting it in caps, as if to desperately convince us that there isnt a single schizo making the exact same patterned posts.

>>14644827
Bannon is based though, he appreciates our guy Guenon (pbuh). Quit posing as us you retarded whiteheadfag.

I'm in awe at his gnosis lads....

>>14644854
This

Beware bros, these hylics are masquerading as one of us and pitting trad minded folk against each other, they did it with Plotinus (pbuh) before. Be vigilant.

>>14644732

>All of those accomplishments and yet it all amounts to nothing because he was refuted by Guénon (pbuh), how sad. One can only hope that in the next life which his subtle body transmigrated to that Kant was able to achieve some sort of personal contact with or initiation into the primordial Tradition better late than never!
>mega-based
>Absolutely seething, Guénon (pbuh) is incredibly influential in Russian and the Islamic world, and increasingly in the West. Just about every worthwhile 20th and 21st century thinker was influenced by him.
>This lol, it's like they don't know that everything they're writing was already retroactively refuted by Guénon (pbuh), it just goes to show that none of these bozos have read him
>No one's forcing anything. WE are the ones making threads to talk about Guénon (pbuh) in, YOU are the one who made the decision to come into here of your own accord to throw a fit, you didn't have to enter into this thread, nobody forced you to. If the venerable Guénon (pbuh) makes you so upset then I suggest you stay out of the thread or return to r/books where the discussion is more suited to your level
>every element that you claim went into Traditionalism was actually retroactively refuted by Guénon (pbuh) ironically enough, from Kant to Orientialism to Protestant theology, Guénon (pbuh) destroyed all of them with his superb logic and insight.
>You can't, the best you can do is just to subtly make your system agree with Guénon (pbuh) so that it's not vulnerable to retroactive refutation.
>based
>based
>dilate
>Guénon (pbuh) ended philosophy and solved metaphysics, he became a Sufi because that was his preferred method out of the multiple paths available in various religions which can be used to approach the supreme and eternal truth of non-duality, perhaps best exemplified by the writings of Sri Shankaracharya (pbuh)
>This is actually good advice
>STJ is cool, but Guénon (pbuh) is right that western paganism is dead and cannot be revived, there is no tradition of metaphysical knowledge or spiritual instruction belonging to it which has been passed down to our time, it's unironic larping, unfortunately.
>holy based
>based
>Shankaracharya (pbuh) is infallible, the Tibetans flee before his brilliance. You won't find anything in the Tibetan corpus refuting him, as the Tibetan corpus is heavily based on Yogachara (which was refuted by Shankaracharya (pbuh)) and Madhyamika (which was refuted by Richard Robinson); and the remaining Tantric stuff is mostly crypto-Shaivism.
>this

Holy based...

>>14644845
>I like how you have to emphasize the 'we' by putting it in caps, as if to desperately convince us that there isnt a single schizo making the exact same patterned posts.
HE was just using dualistic language so someone such as yourself would have even the slightest chance of grasping the Truth outlined in that post.

>>14644870
Based...

>>14637145
who is guenon and why should i care

>>14644918
He was proficient at Greek, Latin, English, Italian, German, Spanish, Sanskrit, Hebraic, Arabic and Chinese, was trained in mathematics and was extremely well-read in both eastern and western philosophy

He was initiated into both a Vietnamese Taoist Triad as well as the al-'Arabiyya Shadhiliyya Sufi order, furthermore in all his writings he stressed the need for personal and genuine participation in whatever Traditions one aspired to follow. His acquaintances both Egyptian and western observed that he scrupulously followed Islamic observances during his life in Egypt

Among the many western philosophers, artists and authors who were influenced by him or who heaped praise on him include Carl Schmitt, Georges Bataille, Aleksander Dugin, Antonin Artaud, Olavo de Carvalho, André Breton, Mircea Eliade, Alain Danielou, Julius Evola, André Malraux, Albert Gleizes, René Daumal, Raymond Queneau, Paul Ackerman, Huston Smith, William Chittick, Steve Bannon, Harry Oldmeadow, James Cutsinger and Hossein Nasr. Furthermore as Nasr notes in his article 'The Influence of Rene Guenon in the Islamic World', Guénon is well-known and influential among the intelligentsia including traditional Islamic scholars in certain Islamic countries such in Turkey, Iran, Pakistan and Malaysia.

Over the course of some twenty odd books he painstakingly and patiently elucidated the fundamental agreement between the metaphysics of Advaita Vedanta, Taoism, Sufism, Hermeticism and Christian esoterism, work that Coomaraswamy built on and further confirmed

>>14644952
How can one man be so based? It astounds the mind...

>*mercilessly refutes virtually the entirety of post-1500 western thought*

>>14644952
just sounds like a gnostic to me
why should i bother reading his work?

>>14645033
>just sounds like a gnostic to me
He was, in the proper sense of the word, meaning someone who achieved Gnosis.
>why should i bother reading his work?
He mercilessly BTFOs the entirety of the currently dominant Western thought. If you are a Westerner detached from the tradition, his work is simply required reading.

>>14645033
>why should i bother reading his work?
if you are on this board, chances are he debunked your favorite thinker.

>>14645082
>favorite thinker
i don't really have one at the moment.
>debunked
how is gnosticism capable of debunking anything beyond other gnosticts? generally, you'd be starting from completely different axioms.

>>14645141
>gnosticism
He was not a "follower" of gnosticism. He just achieved the highest state of knowledge the gnostic christians aimed after.

>>14645141
Read his Crisis of the Modern World and see for yourself how he refutes all of profane western thought in about a 100 pages.

>>14644592
>>14644609
>>14644790
Traditional metaphysics cannot ''evolve'', cannot be dispersed in the process of scientific rationalism. Just like philosophy (real philosophy, in the mystagogic sense) cannot claim originality. Plotinus writes: ''Our doctrines are not novel, nor do they date from today''.
Real philosophers (again in its original sense) are not concerned with particular, individual systems and evolutionary terminology that refers to old, established propositions. Guenon's works demonstrate this all the time and this tendency to originality is one of the most obvious symptoms of the current decadence.

>>14645179
>He was not a "follower" of gnosticism.
idk, after perusing his wiki, it's hard to see how he wouldn't be classified as one

>>14640945
>>14645329
Based and truth-pilled.

>>14641220
Move to fiction

Can some post the age 16 Ayn Rand and age 24 evola/Guénon meme?

Based thread.

>>14645336
Wikipedia was refuted by Guenon (pbuh).

>>14644870
And I'm in awe of your ignorance, lad.

Where should I start with guenon? I see him memed here so often but I'm intimidated by his knowledge lads

>>14647368
Thank you for asking, brother.
Follow this guide, it shall lead you to the straight path.

>>14637145
Can someone TLDR on this guy? What is he known for?

>>14647429
See
>>14644952
>>14644251
>>14641220
>>14641144
>>14641136
This is but a small grain of sand in comparison to the totality of his intellectual achievements, which I will not go into here.

Refer to the chart in >>14647393.

>>14647505
How did he refute philosophy?

>>14647505
huh?

>>14647510
By retroactively debunking it with infallible reasoning in his epic treatise "The Reign of Quantity and the Signs of the Times".

>>14647534
How though? What did he say exactly?

>>14647510
I'm no expert but I think his retroactive refutation comes in part from his explication of Parmenides' doctrine of the coincidence of thought and being. Maybe a Guenonbro can help me out.

>>14647540
The Guenonian retroactive argument proceeds in three sayings, which when pronounced appropriately suffice to debunk and demolish the entirety of profane philosophy.

1) Concerning Amrita and it's preparations, of this perfect medicine a single dewdrop sufficeth, and this may be true. Yet it is humbly and with all deference and worship our opinion that every drop generated (so far as may be possible) should be consumed. It is precisely because Amrita has a quality so divine that it is proper to subject oneself to all that it entails and therefore also to its arduous preparation, and to put it on the table before food, so that it may be not found lacking in quality. This, of course, is perfectly in harmony with the doctrines of almost all traditional schools. Thus it is urged that the divine nectar be milked and consumed as a Sacrament by the initiated. Without dwelling on the matter any longer, we will only note that while mating, a European male can (at best) be expected to produce far less of the nectar than a Negroid male of comparable stature, and that this difference in aptitude will certainly be passed on through the generations.

2) As observed above, this knowledge relates to the life-transforming power of the Amrita-sacrament. Oaking that which has not fully dried and lost its healing potency, and which has not seen yet the light of day is not acceptable. As a lay person must not let his lips intentionally touch that which is yet not in his nature.

3) أَشْهَدُ أَنْ لاَ إِلَهَ إِلاَّ اللَّهُ وَ أَشْهَدُ أَنَّ مُحَمَّدًا رَسُولُ اللَّهِ

>>14647540
Read it for yourself and find out. It's based.

>>14647564
Cringe, you have tried slandering Guenon with this bullshit fake quote a million times now and been debunked each time. You are only embarrassing yourself.

>>14647510
By explaining how philosophy (properly so called) is necessarily initiatic in nature and showing how Western philsosophy has lost this character, thereby leading to its immediate degeneration as explained in the books mentioned in >>14647393

>>14647564
>Yet it is humbly and with all deference and worship our opinion that every drop generated (so far as may be possible) should be consumed.
Based!

>>14647560
>his retroactive refutation comes in part from his explication of Parmenides' doctrine of the coincidence of thought and being
Based.
>>14647571
>It's based.
Based.
>>14647577
>philosophy (properly so called) is necessarily initiatic in nature
Based.

What did guenon say on male toxicity in modern culture?

René Guénon works are mostly performative and unreliable. He avoids counter-argument by calling the opponent as cringe normie who won't attain the hidden truth which is ironic. Lazy "intellectual" at best.

>>14647795
>calling the opponent as cringe
Based...

>retroactively destroys all religion and philosophical endeavors

Nothing personal kid

>>14639887
No, she cute

>>14647854
refuted by Shankaracharya (pbuh) and Guenon (pbuh)

>>14647899
refuted by descartes, mani & madhva

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leoAUu1rD7I

>>14647854
this

they don't even know lol

>>14647604
He retroactively refuted feminism and masculinism

>>14644476
Good post.

>>14648018
no they weren't lmao

>>14637145
Does someone have the Crowley quote about Guenon?

>>14648139

>>14648214

>>14647899
>refuted by Shankaracharya (pbuh) and Guenon (pbuh)

No. He refuted them

>>14648047
>this
>they don't even know lol

I just want UG to reach Guenon levels on here is it possible?

>>14648635
Guenon, Osho & UG posting, apotheosised to the holy trinity of /lit/

>>14648642
This will be our Moltov Ribbon pact.

>>14648642
holy based

>>14648663
We will show this desolate board the way

>>14648642
>Gueon is consubstantial with two enlightened True Hindu Brahmins...
Based...

Where do I start with based Guenon. Can I start anywhere or is there somewhere specific I should begin?

>>14648714
Thanks for asking brother. Refer to the beacon of light in >>14647393.

Based atmosphere in this thread anons.
Guenon here >>14640091 looks so calm and serene. Just like the feeling you get from reading his work.

>guenonfag BTFO by Kantbro again
why does this retard challenge the might of Kant?

>>14649010
>BTFO by Kant
"One cannot be btfo by a being bearing the shame of retroactive refutation."
- ancient Brahmin wisdom

>ancient Brahmin wisdom

>>14648966
>Just like the feeling you get from reading his work.
You said it brother. When I read Guenon (pbuh), it feels as though the weight of the world is temporarily removed from my shoulders by a wise and benevolent presence from another age.

>>14649010
What you don't understand is that Guenon(pbuh) already btfo all of philosophy. And he did all that retroactively. pbuh