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>>>/x/

Yes, but don't mess with it or you'll go to Hell when you die.

>>14631423
If the divine is real, magic being real isn’t that far of a stretch.

>>14631419
Yes, belief is a tool.

Magic can only mean something that isn't real, because things that are real are called other things, like physical phenomena.

Look into theories of altered states, shamanism, psychosis, phenomenology of religious experience, paranormal activity, the trickster, affect, sense, mana, sacrifice, gift, etc.

Define real

>>14631419
>>14631423
listen you just posted the kaballah of coruse its real but its the most sensitive concientious disiplined framework. If you suddenely knew how to use your consciousness, wouldnt it change everything?

>>14631488
Does it exist?
>define existing
Can it produce a tangible effect on the perceivable world?

>>14631514
Define produce, tangible, effect and world

>>14631448
Magic is distinct from other phenomena in that it doesn't follow physical laws or fit into scientific theories.

>>14631519
Define define.

>>14631514
It can absolutely create effects on your perceivable world

I think magic is real but it follows certain physical laws that we aren't aware of yet

>>14631419
magic is the only thing that is real. Consciousness imagines itself to be the source of its own illusion and is shaped every moment by your own agency. You are god, this is a magical fairy tale unreality, and just because it's all an illusion doesn't make it relevant, or fun.

>>14631535
>You are god
How can someone who isn’t omnipotent be God?

>>14631419
>>14631423
Yes

>>14631551
small imagination

>>14631419
I do not think so.

>>14631523
How do I define define if I have to define define?

>>14631522
But what do you think "physical law" and "scientific theory" are?

>>14631599
noun
1.
a statement of the exact meaning of a word, especially in a dictionary.

>>14631622
>defines define
>it's circular reasoning
What did he mean by this?

>>14631582
Imagine Hamlet proclaiming himself to be Shakespeare

>>14631629
Imagine being so fat you look at computers and see food

>>14631628
>it’s circular reasoning
:to determine or identify the essential qualities or meaning of something

>>14631629
Hamlet is Shakespeare

>>14631636
>Imagine being so fat you look at computers and see food
>doesn’t know I’m 5’10 and 130 pounds
>this is God

Music and the arts as a whole are the strongest form of magic.

>>14631680
This anon gets it. Thank you based anon.

>>14631645
Hamlet is an aspect of Shakespeare but not Shakespeare himself. Similarly, we are all aspects of The One but not The One itself.

>>14631419
Yes. We all intuitively know it’s real until priests/psychologists/scientists etc. tell us it’s bad or stupid, diverting our magical impulse into systems that materially benefit them. They’ll be chained to this spinning rock to suffer for this. Those in the know can pass through the veil separating this stage from the next.

>>14631419
Yes. Jazz music is rooted in voodoo to control the body with involuntary movements.

>>14631551
>How can someone who isn’t omnipotent be God?

>>14631688
source?

>>14631698
Do you think the same could be said for other forms of music that compels is to dance?

>>14631419
Not in a way you would find meaningful.

Most of it is like an edgier version of the Secret / law of attraction or simply inducing altered states of consciousness

>>14631825
I've had one of those astrological readings on /x/ and it was so accurate that it just totally blew me away. Dude knew stuff he couldn't possibly have known, and all I did was post the chart.

>>14631419
magic = aligning reality with your will

>>14631861
I read about a woman on /x/ summoning an incubus and convincing her boyfriend (who she being cucked by the incubus) that it was real by telling her boyfriend to write a series of numbers on a piece of paper. She told her her incubus to repeat the numbers back to her and he did, which she then repeated back to her boyfriend, shaking his skepticism to the core. Then she continued to have sex with the incubus.

It's a real good topic to bring up if you want to find out if someone's retarded

>>14631931
They don’t believe in magic: retarded bugman /sci/ user

They do believe in magic: genius plato level IQ

>>14631551
Read Lathe of Heaven

>>14631698
>>14631803
Indeed. The great Scholar René Guénon conferred the same viewpoing in his letter to Ebola.
>Concerning non-vocal music, by which I mean one involving any use of pitched musical instruments, it is humbly and with all deference my opinion that all such activities should be abandoned in favour of purely vocal chants handed down through the oral tradition. It is more than likely that if a free reign of music was permitted in a society displaying even a slight state of decadence, there would remain very few musicians who display a true understanding of the traditional order and the purpose of music within it, which is a role purely subordinate to that of the traditional institutions; instead, as in the case of Europe, we might face ourselves with certain groups infiltrating the musical tradition and subverting it from within. Certainly, the historical record would bear this out. The events of the past few decades with the emergence of the most vile and repulsive 'composers' such as Erik Satie and Erwin Schulhoff offer the perfect example.
- from the famous Guénon-Evola correspondence.

>>14631959
>famous Guénon
Lol the monkey pboo is anything but famous.

Don't get into the occult

>>14631969
Yeats was an occultist

magic is real as fuck

>>14631419
>>14631535
Magic is real and was retroactively btfo and refuted by Shaykh Rene Guenon (pbuh).

>>14631419
I don't know in a literal exterior sense, but yes, it is, and you will have an array of "spiritual" experiences from consciously fighting demons to emanating if you 1. Can do it, and 2. Look into it.

Traditional hierarchy is the only way though, in its many expressions of self negation and such within the presence of the self affirmating situation. Which is much of magic, and can lead to some men claiming total individuality such as Evola.

>>14632003
>total individuality
Refuted by René Guénon (pbuh) in his 'Reign of Quantity'.
>Evola
Refuted by René Guénon (pbuh) in his 'East and West' and 'Perspectives on Initiation'.

>>14632002
>>14632008
holy based, Shaykh Rene Guenon (pbuh) effortlessly destroys all ignorance and falsehood from beyond the grave, he is an inspiration to us all

>>14632008
No you fucking idiot it's refuted by its self evidence as I stated, from within Christ or Plato. Everyone.

>>14632002
>>14632008
>>14632016
>effortlessly destroys all ignorance and falsehood from beyond the grave
Truly this, my brothers... He emanates such a powerful Truth that all delusional Maya is vanquished by coming even in brief contact with him.

>>14632002
Wasn’t he born in France? What ‘tradition’ could this man possibly have?

>>14632039
>Guénon was a brainle-
He was proficient at Greek, Latin, English, Italian, German, Spanish, Sanskrit, Hebraic, Arabic and Chinese, was trained in mathematics and was extremely well-read in both eastern and western philosophy
>Guénon was a stupid posing larpe-
He was initiated into both a Vietnamese Taoist Triad as well as the al-'Arabiyya Shadhiliyya Sufi order, furthermore in all his writings he stressed the need for personal and genuine participation in whatever Traditions one aspired to follow. His acquaintances both Egyptian and western observed that he scrupulously followed Islamic observances during his life in Egypt
>Guénon was a literal nobody, he was not influenti-
Among the many western philosophers, artists and authors who were influenced by him or who heaped praise on him include Carl Schmitt, Georges Bataille, Aleksander Dugin, Antonin Artaud, Olavo de Carvalho, André Breton, Mircea Eliade, Alain Danielou, Julius Evola, André Malraux, Albert Gleizes, René Daumal, Raymond Queneau, Paul Ackerman, Huston Smith, William Chittick, Steve Bannon, Harry Oldmeadow, James Cutsinger and Hossein Nasr. Furthermore as Nasr notes in his article 'The Influence of Rene Guenon in the Islamic World', Guénon is well-known and influential among the intelligentsia including traditional Islamic scholars in certain Islamic countries such in Turkey, Iran, Pakistan and Malaysia.
>Guénon just made a bunch of stupid and unjustified comparisons between religio-
To the contrary over the course of some twenty odd books he painstakingly and patiently elucidated the fundamental agreement between the metaphysics of Advaita Vedanta, Taoism, Sufism, Hermeticism and Christian esoterism, work that Coomaraswamy built on and further confirmed

>>14632052
Forced meme, go back to your discord

>>14631514
>unironic positivism

>>14632052

>>14632052
>Carl Schmitt, Georges Bataille, Aleksander Dugin, Antonin Artaud, Olavo de Carvalho, André Breton, Mircea Eliade, Alain Danielou, Julius Evola, André Malraux, Albert Gleizes, René Daumal, Raymond Queneau, Paul Ackerman, Huston Smith, William Chittick, Steve Bannon, Harry Oldmeadow, James Cutsinger and Hossein Nasr
The only recognizable name here is Evolva and that’s because he’s memed here as well.

>>14632076
>The only recognizable name here is Evolva
I know huh, imagine being aware of authors and intellectuals who aren't memes, wow!

>>14632037
>>14632052
>mfw people ask me why I love Guénon

>>14632039
>even being born in France did not stop him from connecting himself to an authentic supra-individual Chain of Tradition
Holy based...

>>14632086
The point of the list was to show that Guenon was influential, which he obviously wasn’t. And he probably didn’t even influence a third of the no-names on that list.

>>14632076
>3-5 actual guys who mentioned him once, a bunch of who gives a shit leftist artists, and a bunch of trad cultists

lmao

>The traditionalist or perennialist perspective began to be enunciated in the 1920s by the French philosopher René Guénon and, in the 1930s, by Schuon himself.

>On October 11th 1991, Frithjof Schuon, the leader of an international religious order, was indicted on the felony charge of child molestation. committed under "cult pressure and influence". The indictment, passed down by a five member Grand Jury, headed by Lucy Cherbas, stated:

>"that Frithjof Schuon... did perform fondling or touching [on three girls] 15 years of age, 14 years of age and 13 years of age, respectively, with the intent to arouse or satisfy sexual desires of Frithjof Schuon, in violation of I.C. 35-42 43. [And that] said persons were compelled to submit to touching by force or imminent threat of force, to wit: by undue cult influences and cult pressures, in violation of 35-42-4-8."

>Jesus Garcia Varela, a high ranking inner circle member of the cult, had been investigated by the Louisville Police in 1991 for nude photos of his 2 young daughters. He escaped prosecution of this episode by claiming that it was a common practice in Spain to visually record a girl's puberty.

>Michael Fitzgerald's son was present at the Gatherings. The boy, then perhaps 14, had been made to watch his mother and her sister, Jennifer Casey, dance nude for Schuon at one of the Gatherings.

>"Those who might be tempted to give way to despair should realize that nothing accomplished in this order can ever be lost, that confusion, error and darkness can win the day only apparently and in a purely ephemeral way, that all partial and transitory disequilibrium must perforce contribute towards the greater equilibrium of the whole, and that nothing can ultimately prevail against the power of truth."

- (a.s) عبد الواحد يحي

>>14632161
Based, I will begin reading Guenon immediately, thank you stranger

>>14632161

>>14632161
How is he so based

>>14631419
He hasn't read Eliphas Lévi.

>>14631551
the fact that you can imagine omnipotence and even produce short bursts of it with the 2 inch wand you have.

>>14632161
Based...

>>14632161
where do i start with guenon? he has so many books its intimidating

>>14632182
cringe, Levi is a poor man's Guenon

>>14632194
Based. Start with Crisis of the Modern world, my friend. If you want, read about a 100 pages of Introduction to Hindu Doctrines beforehand, as it presents a retroactive refutation of modernity and then moves on to deeper metaphysics.

>>14632208
Based thank you so much I will begin reading Guenon immediately

>>14631419
yes

>>14631551
>be God
>set up Life
>enter the limited perception of your creation in this universe
>get to have something to think about later

>>14631419
Yes.
Level I
Psychonaughts Complete Field Manual (Free online pdf.)
Level II
Promethius Rising by Wilson
Info Psycology by Leary
Principia Discordia by Thornley
Undoing Yourself by Hyatt
Abrahadabra by Orpheus
Level III
Hermetica
Yoga Sutra's
Upanishads
Bhagavad Gita
Analects
Dammapada

>>14632189
>>14632224
Man, like Micawber, may exclaim: "The Spirit of my Creator is inherent within me-- and yet I am not HE!" How different this from the shocking half-truth so vociferously announced by certain of the half-wise, who fill the air with their raucous cries of: "I am God!" Imagine poor Micawber, or the sneaky Uriah Heep, crying: "I Am Dickens"; or some of the lowly clods in one of Shakespeare's plays, eloquently announcing that: "I Am Shakespeare!" THE ALL is in the earthworm, and yet the earth-worm is far from being THE ALL. And still the wonder remains, that though the earth-worm exists merely as a lowly thing, created and having its being solely within the Mind of THE ALL--yet THE ALL is immanent in the earthworm, and in the particles that go to make up the earth-worm. Can there be any greater mystery than this of "All in THE ALL; and THE ALL in All?"

Based thread.

>>14632161
Eternal levels of Cope.

>>14632161
Can someone explain this to me? Im having trouble understanding it. Thanks.

>>14632359
Based, Guenon will show you the way

Guenon is literally the GOD himself. I fucking love Guenon!

>>14632362
>>14632366
Stop trying to derail my thread. Thanks!

>>14631419
/pol/ got Trump elected with rage comics, of course its fucking real just not in the shonen sense unless you want to look at it that way (different lenses to look at the world)

>>14632161
Literally the exact same message as self help books kek

>>14631419
The problem with the word "magic" is the linguistic and cultural baggage attached to it. What is usually deemed "magic" is actually pretty much just the manipulation of information as humans receive it. Humans experience reality as information with our minds. If someone knows how to operate fluidly through reality as information and use that knowledge to affect what other people think, some people would call them a magician. The words "psychic" and "magic" are both the same thing, exist, and aren't what both those words give the impression they are. Magic is pretty much a combination of being able to gather information effectively, knowing the systems through which people receive information, and using this information in a concerted effort to achieve something.

>>14631419
Yes, but you need high levels of concentration which basically means at least 4th jhana.

>>14632779
Here's a better way to put it. If 50 people in a room sincerely believed another guy in the room had magical/psychic/divine powers, it wouldn't matter if the guy actually does or not. It wouldn't matter if something like that exists because they believe he does. People's own perception of reality trumps whats actually going on. If a bunch of ancient people think their village is being cursed by god because everyones getting sick and dying, then that is their rudimentary understanding of whats going on. Not that there's germs getting them sick, but its an unseen forces will that is doing this to them. They didn't understand germs, but their rudimentary idea that its god directly getting them sick will affect how they do things and develop practices that will prevent germs spreading.
These ideas of blank spots in peoples minds and how information flows through them anyways is where the fundamental ideas of magic/psychics/etc come from.

>>14632646
>self-help book: bro just believe in this bugman materialist cope method to obtain this material good! also buy and consoom my book!
> s'عبد الواحد يحي glorious writing: Those who might be tempted to give way to despair should realize that nothing accomplished in this order can ever be lost, that confusion, error and darkness can win the day only apparently and in a purely ephemeral way, that all partial and transitory disequilibrium must perforce contribute towards the greater equilibrium of the whole, and that nothing can ultimately prevail against the power of truth.
Wherein lies the similarity?

>>14632931
Based.

>>14632086
>Bataille
>Malraux
Come on bud

>>14632161
baste... I have downloaded his book and will begin reading it immediately.

>>14632076
Add in my name to that list as well.

>>14631429
Thanks anon, I’ve been collecting paintings of St. Michael vanquishing Satan, it’s one of my favorite dramatic scenes in art

>>14632052
Jesus, you fucking destroyed her.

>>14632229
>all that chaos magic"k" trite
Just skip to level 3.

>>14631419
There is an inconsistent view of what magic really is. In good-old times it was an ability to bend a reality by your will.

And with this definition you could easily say that engineering (technical or social) is a way of bending reality (so you could say it's applied magic).

By physics, math, chemistry we are uncovering the mechanics that are the basis for what's going on.
Having that knowledge we can alternate the reality by putting changes into it.

Thing is that by learning theese things we are putting them on the brain shelf signed "obvious normal stuff so we're not really recognizing it as magic.

>>14631419
If by magic you mean the practices of Ancient Zoroastrian Magi then literally anything related to the metaphysical is considered magic.
Formal calculus is magic in that sense.

>>14632931
>>14633230
Baste.

>>14632210
>>14632194

>>14634412
If there anyone that should be read before Guenon?

>>14634454
Shankara (pbuh), Plotinus (pbuh), Aquinas (pbuh).
But in some sense one should read Guénon (pbuh) to better understand these thinkers.
So you can just start with him.

>>>/x/24216301

>>14631419
Wait a minute this shit appears on End of Evangelion

>>14631419
There are a lot of different definitions of magic.
But no matter which of these definitions you're asking about, the answer is yes.

>>14634515
Yep, Neon Genesis Evangelion (בשורת הראשית החדשה in Jewish) is the Ancient Truth the Jews stumbled upon during their research into the nature of the Divine Godhead.

Since there seems to be a lot of Guenon memers in this thread, can any of you compare his works to that of Manly Hall, Aleister Crowley, Albert Pike, Blavatsky, or other big names from the 19th and 20th century? I collect this stuff as kind of a hobby and to this point have remained rather ignorant of Guenon's writings.

>>14634531
How do I cast fireballs out of my hand?

>>14634515
I've noticed a lot of anime uses loads of occult symbolism. The entire concept of a mechanized body operated by an inner consciousness (or spirit) is itself an esoteric sentiment. Even Dragon Ball Z is a hidden goldmine of this kind of symbolism (7 dragon balls, or spheres = 7 heavenly bodies = 7 chakras = the Pythagorean sacred numbers of 4 & 3, combine summon the great dragon entity). I think anime fans can really benefit from studying occult philosophy.

>>14631419
Define magic.

>>14634586
The Chinese practice of Chi Gong can teach you. As can Tibetan Dumo.

>>14634586
Mix 3 parts gasoline 1 part oranejuice concentrate. Place mixture in a glass bottle insert rag dampened by mixture. Ignite the rag and throw the bottle (side arm)

>>14634571
guenon rejects all of them (quite reasonably) as syncretists and pseudo-initiatic occultists, result of modern degeneration of traditional mystagogy

>>14634608
Well I can understand the dispute about initiation, since anyone can claim to be an "initiate", which would itself seem to go against the tradition, but I think it would be a mistake to disregard their ideas altogether.
Do you know what Guenon's view of schools such as Freemasonry was? I think I remember someone saying he was of the opinion that every school was a sham other than esoteric Islam, right?

>>14634606
<he didn't add a dash of ground styrofoam

>>14634632
I don't think it is valuable to waste your time with their writings. Why not study the traditional doctrines themselves directly like Guenon suggests?
Guenon has a book on Freemasonry.

>he was of the opinion that every school was a sham other than esoteric Islam, right?
no, this is wrong

>>14632322
the resemblance is uncanny

>>14631522
>Magic is distinct from other phenomena in that it doesn't exist
yeah no shit

>>14631419
Yes, obviously.

>>14631419
No

I had a friend who was into “wank magick”. All he did was eat burgers and jerk off because Grant Morrison said that’s how spells work. Masturbate to sigils and your dreams will come true. He ended up being 500 pounds and on welfare. I guess he didn’t want it bad enough. Unless 500 pounds and on welfare was the dream.

>>14634608
Didnt guenon syncretize islam, christianity, and hinduism?

>>14634667
>Why not study the traditional doctrines themselves
I do and think it necessary for anyone interested in the tradition to do so, but I'm also interested in the interpretation of the doctrines through different cultural lenses and from different periods in history. I think that the inner teaching of some traditions (such as that of the Egyptian right) can come off as rather incomprehensible from our current cultural perspective, but tracing it's development through the ages one can eventually get to the core of the tradition, and thus gain a clearer understanding of the original doctrine from the viewpoint of the culture from which it originated.
>Guenon has a book on Freemasonry.
Wasn't aware of that, I'll definitely be looking more into his writings. I'm glad to see they aren't very costly like most other books.

>>14634785
no, he never syncretized anything; syncretism is contra traditional, it is befitting of modernity

>>14634839
Does he believe that all traditions originate from a single source? And if so, wouldn't syncretism only be a reuniting of these once united traditions?
I see a lot of connections between the mystery schools and historically it seems that they did all originate within a fairly close location geographically, regardless of later political intervention.

>>14632359
He mentioned the word ephemeral so I guess he says that suffering is temporary and doing what you need to do will result in what you want, the wait for you to get it is also temporary as well. So that means that unless you die ( which is the only permanent action or state you will be in this world ) then everything you want will come to you if you do the right thing (which is the truth)

>>14631431
the divine isn't real

>>14631519
Kek

>>14634869
>Does he believe that all traditions originate from a single source?
Yes. They all refer to metaphysical principles. But they are expressed in many different forms contingently.

>wouldn't syncretism only be a reuniting of these once united traditions?
no, it is a superfluous reuniting of manifold traditional symbols and expressions that although obviously has truth underlining them, they may be diverted into something else in some cases, making this mishmash very perilous to a profound understanding of traditional metaphysics.
read guenon's Theosophy: History of a Pseudo-religion

The problem with Theosophy is that those who study it completely disregard what's important and sacred. In a manner of speaking this makes them foolish. You have to be seeking Truth. Not symbols, not power, not conspiracy. You have to seek the truth. So once you're a bit more structured to look for the truth instead, you must realize that you have to deal with the idea that YHWH is God. Why? Because there is no other stronger case than the God of Abraham. You MUST read the Bible to get into spirituality and the super natural. Gnosticism is conspiracy of beliefs trying to lure luke-warm christians away from the truth of the bible. Think the bible is a conspiracy? Look at the gnosticism literature. Or any occultic literature in that case. It's really a bunch of wolves out to obscure and hurt the people who follow the beliefs. Light doesn't hide in the darkness. Light shines like a city on a hill. Like a lamp on in a high place. If you know Jesus and you trust in the Word/Bible then there is nothing really you are missing. Its just symbolism that was confused by the early works of alchemists. Which was encoded to be actual formula for chemical transmutation not spiritual transmutation. But look where it is today!

>>14634869
>all traditions originate from a single source
This would follow trivially from his definition of tradition as that which is connected to a (necessarily unique) supra-human spiritual source.
>>14634918
This anon tells the truth. Also read chapters 6 & 7 of "Perspectives on Initiation" where he refutes syncretism and mixture of traditional forms. It's about 10 pages; you can read everything before it too to clear up any misconceptions you might have regarding legitimate tradition vs syncretisic garbage.

>>14634978
So rather if you want knowledge, seek science. Seek mathematics and technology and read more secular philosophy. Be a good person and treat people the way Jesus would. Don't live for style, be smart.

>>14634918
Was guneon a perrenialist?

>>14635003
>So rather if you want knowledge, seek science.
Nice one. Was pretty subtle until this.

>>14634986
Do you an online copy of "Perspectives on Initation" I can look at?

>>14635009
Yes, that is what you are left with when you don't recognize the incarnation of the Logos.

>>14635014
What are you implying I'm being subtle about? Don't be so obscure and act as if you're full of secrets. Please just answer the question.

>>14635023
Perrenialism helped lead me to Christ. I saw all the archetypes manifest through history expressed wholly in Christ. I saw that there clearly undercurrents driving all things and recognized the anima of the undercurrent in the Bible. Very profound experience

>>14635022
It's on libgen like a lot of his writing - http://gen.lib.rus.ec/search.php?req=perspectives+on+initiation&lg_topic=libgen&open=0&view=simple&res=25&phrase=1&column=def
He also addresses the same topic in the second part of "East and West".

>>14635046
Thanks fren

>>14631629
>bill shakespere bout to write the big one
>The nut-grabber, pussy-plugger, the money-maker, the immortalizer
>oh boy here I go
>picks his quill up, gets it good and BLACKED
>this is it
>eternity waiting at the end of my pen
>"To be, or not to be. That is the question."
>billly imagining which actor is going to first reproduce his brilliance
>who could even measure?
>theyreallfags
>billys tryina get a clear image of his hamlet, the triumph of his creations
>sees faces shifting in head, none of them fit
>gaze drifts off the page
>ohshitamirror
>billy looks inna mirror and instantly knows
>that's hamlet
>that's him that's fucking hamlet holy shit
>hamlet looks back at him
>"whether tis nobler in the mind..."
>bills looking at hamlet lokkoing back at him
>write it, hamlet telss him
>write it you faggot
>billlys pen hits the page boom splat black ink everywhere but itsmoving
>automaticwriting
>bill still stuck staring at irl hamlet
>"devoutly to be wish'd, to die, to sleep"
>bill don't feel so good
>"who would bear the whips of time"
>everything is feeling so heavy bill
>isn't it so heavy bill?
>bill is feeling reaaaal heavy
>billy wants to sleep
>billy wants not to be
>hamlet stares at hamlet in the mirror
>hamlet smiles at hamlet
>"no traveler returns, puzzles the will..."

>>14634596
I think you are thinking too much into it. the Japanese are bugmen philisophically and nuance wise. So they just take the most interesting looking shit and utilize it for their child and man child cartoons. There is a reason why you do not see much actual protestant, enlightenment, or anything outside of surface level visual catholicism in Jap stuff. They try to relate it to their barely even polytheistic level animism of Shintoism. You can see this in how they Portray God in pretty much any property as nothing but a powerful mortal instead of a metaphysical entity and why the MC goes out to often "Kill God(s)" a La Final fantasy. And its not something as High minded as Neitzche, but just that God is nothing but a powerful demon.

Evengelion is marginally better since it kind of tryies to express a lovecraftian sense of cosmic propotion and inevitability, but even then its just an offshot of transendental themes.

>>14635128
>you do not see much actual protestant, enlightenment, or anything outside of surface level visual catholicism in Jap stuff
this is the most ignorant thing I've read in a while

>>14635233
I think I may have worded that poorly. Japs like the Euro aesthetic in a lot of properties, but they almost never bring over the themes of them as well. what I meant by:
>you do not see much actual protestant, enlightenment, or anything outside of surface level visual catholicism in Jap stuff.
Do You disagree? They tend to not bring over the zeitgeist of the setting.

>>14634834
Stop trying to find the truth in old writings and people's interpretations of them. Whatever is actually happening is right now and inside of you. Not out there in ancient scrolls. The key to this is not by asking yourself What Is Happening. It's to ask yourself What Could Be Happening. We are of limited perspective as humans and information is further limited through communicating it to other people. We can only look at what could be happening and go from there instead of jumping right to the end

>>14635376
Not Protestantism so much but whats there to take from that really? I have absolutely seen references to enlightenment, renaissance, analytic philosophy, continental philosophy, and also non-superficial Catholicism in works which conveyed those themes. And personally I think it's bullshit that Anno just used religious imagery because he thought it looked cool. I think he was either trying to pacify western audience, trolling, or both. The themes of sacrifice, a father sending his son, the burden and struggle of saving the world as a giant robot while being a child, the god-in-man archetype, it's exactly what it says it is: a new genesis-gospel.

>>14635078
Based

>>14631419
Short answer no. Long answer yes.

>>14632052
guenon means monkey bitch in french fyi

>>14631419
Yes.

>>14635559
> Not Protestantism so much but whats there to take from that really?
Simplicity, direct connection with the Devine.

>I have absolutely seen references to enlightenment, renaissance, analytic philosophy, continental philosophy, and also non-superficial Catholicism in works which conveyed those themes.
Could you give examples? I would legitimately enjoy experiencing them then. And I mean more then just referencing, I mean encorporating them thematically. Because in my experience is usually just flanderization, which I do not mind if it’s light hearted, but if they are making a statement it seems trite.
And personally I think it's bullshit that Anno just used religious imagery because he thought it looked cool.
Yah, it does take some beats of of abrahamic tropes, but still it does not really focus so much on the mystery of God proper.

>>14631419
>>14636098
Short answer yes, long answer no, but yes if you redefine magic.

>>14631419
What do you mean exactly by magic? Any particular practice? With regard to the pic you posted, I don't think that there is anything supernatural about the Tree of Life or many occult practices. The occult and the mystery traditions were intimately linked with philosophy, science, and many of the greatest thinkers of all time from Plato to Newton. The tree of life is real in the sense that it can be derived by drawing simple circles via the flower of life in sacred geometry.

Likewise, Alchemy (the mystical/spiritual aspect) was/is also real, or as real as psychoanalysis or psychotherapy is today. It produced tangible effects. It's a form of magic in a way.

>>14635128
>the Japanese are bugmen philisophically
Opinion discarded.

>>14635520
>Stop trying to find the truth in old writings
I just enjoy reading. I find the evolution of culture and ideas to be an interresting thing to study. I'm not really interested in seeking "Truth" in old texts, but seeing the evolution of concepts has given me a clear vision of where the "Now" is. This is also the gateway to seeing the interconnectedness of all realms of knowledge, ancient and modern. I think we might be saying the same thing but from different angles.

>>14634986
>This would follow trivially from his definition of tradition
Ya i'll probably just have to read his material to grasp his concept of Tradition. I really enjoy reading POMO philosophy so the idea of tradition (as far as a dictionary definition) really doesn't have much substance for me.

>>14631601
Shoestring method structures for trying to understand "reality" (another poorly-defined term).

>>14631429
this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRVQD4FKPrY

>>14634586
Put your hands between your knees and try to move them outwards while holding them in place with knees for at least 30 seconds, then proceed to use energy ball as desired

>>14636209
What do you define magic initially? Shooting fireballs out your hands?

>>14631959
It’s disgusting how the arts have been perverted by materialists and charlatans capitalizing on the lowest common denominator’s ignorance. The arts should be for everyone, but I also think that by allowing just anyone to participate in the creation of culture in a capitalist society is a huge mistake. The arts are very powerful and I don’t think it would be a stretch to compare the modern entertainment industry to the Catholic Church in the time of Chaucer.

>>14636308
Oh yeah, I'm not telling you not to read old texts. You have the same perspective I have about them. I'm just trying to open some synapses for people that think the rules of reality are written somewhere in some old translated text. They're definitely great ways to get well thought out different viewpoints of reality.

>>14636378
>understand
More like to label and be able to communicate amounts verifiably to other people.

Brainlet here. I'm interested in occultism, but I'm looking for something like what Lovecraft describes in his stories, ancient truths better left forgotten and all that. Am I looking for something that doesn't exist? I feel like what I'm finding (and I admit I've at best barely, barely scratched the surface of occultism) is something that takes itself to be less ancient, awful truths and more an alternative way of looking at God who is reasonably similar to that described in mainstream religion.

>>14631519
define pretentious little faggot: You, anon.

>>14636586

>Brainlet here. I'm interested in occultism

The latter implies the former

>>14631419
Nice Evangelion reference, OP