/lit/ - Literature

>>14617540
insecure=>uses esoteric knowledge to dupe people in lieu of charisma or genuine insight/unironic cocaine addiction

>>14617540
Stuffed up nose *sniff*

>>14617540
>in lieu of charisma
what? it's precisely his charisma that makes his esoteric message so persuasive

just too based

>>14617540
Capitalism?

>>14617540
He has not discovered allergy shots yet. I use to be like him to until i Did.

Now I am Happy!

>>14617658
think you meant me >>14617642
the section of the population it ends up persuading shows that it isn't true charisma; he is only capable of tricking other insecure pseuds into following his words, people who justifiably have no idea who Hegel is als have no idea who sniffmeister is

Sinus problems or some shit

>>14617701
not likely: most of his fan base are consumerist American liberals who read pop-[psychology/history/economics/etc.]; capitalism is the only reason we're talking about his half-assed solipsistic irrelevance

>>14617723
0/10

>>14617733
>the argumentative brilliance of the left
yep. seems about right.

>>14617781
Please do not respond to tripniggers

>>14617712
>the section of the population it ends up persuading shows that it isn't true charisma; he is only capable of tricking other insecure pseuds into following his words, people who justifiably have no idea who Hegel is als have no idea who sniffmeister is
Yes, sorry, I meant you. And that's totally absurd,
>it isn't true charisma if I disagree with it!!! Most people don't know who he is!!!
You need to go look up what charisma means. His entire success built upon his esoteric and quite stale viewpoint is contingent upon his massive level of charisma. You are just blinded by feels. Also pic related.

>>14617781
It's an old and fallacious argument. You didn't know? Can you think it over some, please?

I get the same shit from the Christcucks. "You have Jesus Christ to thank for you very existence!". Citing the past as all the evidence one needs to support keep the thing is fat and lazy thinking.
Of course I have money. I must have it in order to live in this fucked up world. But I hate it and know it and the system that pushes it on us is to blame for 95% of the worlds problems.
It's a fucking religion with you people.

>>14617814
>compelling attractiveness or charm that can inspire devotion in others.
my argument is that he does not have attractiveness or charm. he inspires devotion among a SELECT GROUP OF OTHERS who are pre-defined by their pre-existing interest in the mystique of esoteric intellectualism. it may appear and function like charisma, but I draw the line to emphasize the point that I don't think his persuasion has power outside of this pre-self-selected group
>pic
I imagine his wife is part of this self-selected group-- as in she is someone who fancies herself pretty smart and considers the attention of sniffman a validation of her intellect

thanks for the ad hominem tho, it's revelatory ;^)

>>14617712
Moreover if you've ever listened to Zizek speak, it's amazing how easily he can captivate audiences across the planet in spite of the fact that probably nobody understands a single thing he's saying. It's very reminiscent of Girardfag here on /lit/. Indeed, as you say, the fact that they don't even know who Hegel is - makes it all the more impressive. Another thing Zizek nearly always does, no matter the context, which is EXTREMELY charismatic and difficult to pull off is that he always starts from where he agrees with a person (girardfag does this as well) and builds off of it to validate the person he's speaking to, even if they're retarded, and always has something to ramble about while interspersing idiosyncrasy/anecdote to be more palpable.

>>14617845
>I must have it in order to live in this fucked up world.
but that's wrong. you need money to support yourself. in other times/places you needed societal power/physical strength/good health/luck/maybe a penis as well-- now you just need money.

it's not a relgiion, it's quite the opposite. it's people making connections/relations through valid, although non-sentimental means. likely the only possible way to bring people together ultimately. so cheer up you whiney idiot

>>14617845
>and know it and the system that pushes it on us is to blame for 95% of the worlds problems.
you don't know this, you'd have to have an example of a non-capitalist world without the problems
>It's a fucking religion with you people.
the pottering

>>14617858
>can captivate audiences across the planet in spite of the fact that probably nobody understands a single thing he's saying.
it's almost like they immeidately recognize his position as top-intellectual and want some of his majesty to grace them. also I think most of his listeners know who Hegel is-- whether they know what he was saying is a different matter entirely

>second point
I think that's smply buttering a person up-- it's a debate trick. but hey, I think we just disagree here, not a big deal considering we seem to be agreeing where it matters

>>14617845
in all seriousness though you DO kind of have christ to thank in a way. if you had been born in saudi arabia you'd likely not be talking on 4chan rn you'd be getting raped or cleaning a goatshed or something.
this isn't some blanket rebuttal to all criticisms of christianity, but if you can't have a nuanced view in critique I think you're ultimately just being dishonest and unproductive

>>14617701
Goddamn it! I can here to post this

Also, getting your ass licked feels great and it will happen less if you keep shaming people for it

>>14617866
>in other times/places you needed
Let us keep your idealized views of feudalism out of this for now.
>but that's wrong. you need money to support yourself
This is a contradictory statement.
>it's not a relgiion, it's quite the opposite
It is an insidious faith based religion. The rational market and the value imbued into money is spiritual in nature. The lawmakers and marketing agencies are the priests
>whiny
Stop being a zealot. Our problem is capitalism and it is killing us

>>14617873
>you don't know this,
>The state of capitalist zealots
This answers the thread's question.

>>14617894
I would like to have seen the world had emperor Julian lived.

>>14617906
>It is an insidious faith based religion. The rational market and the value imbued into money is spiritual in nature. The lawmakers and marketing agencies are the priests
you guys absolutely never talk about banks, i find it highly suspicious

>>14617814
>esoteric and quite stale viewpoint
how is ontological incompeteness stale?

>>14617906
>Let us keep your idealized views of feudalism out of this for now.
why dont you read that again; feudalism was in NO way idealized by my pot, lol
>This is a contradictory statement.
...?
perhaps I should be clearer: you are a living things and you must consume, among other things, to survive. you can either work the earth for sustenance or perform some task for compensatory payment to, in turn, purchase sustinence. I can't really defend the fairness of every price you get here on 4chan, but I'm going to go with the aeons of humans who have engaged in financial exchange as evidence that there's something to it.
tl;dr economic systems do not impose a need to survive or eradicate the cost to do so
>It is an insidious faith based religion. The rational market and the value imbued into money is spiritual in nature. The lawmakers and marketing agencies are the priests
wow. this is an interesting take. can you elaborate? it sounds more edgy than valid desu, but I'm willing to hear you out
>the last one
killing you? that's a little strong considering in places devoid of the material wealth capitalist countries provide mrder is far more rampant and endemic. please try and be polite

>>14617923
Well you don't know it. You have no counterexample

>>14617923
>I would like to have seen the world had emperor Julian lived.
again this just sounds like big talk. was there any less poverty/disease/war/suffering/societal regression in pre-christian societies? why is christ the pure enemy and not anything other number of intricately operating aspects? this is just a cop out

I'm starting to think just about anybody can use a tripcode

>>14617927
Oh them too. Did you know the Dodd-Frank bill gave the Federal Reserve the authority to bail out banks. They gave a big amount just this last year. No more need to ask congress.
No need to be suspicious, anon. I want them all wiped out of society

>>14617929
not that anon but isn't ontological incompleteness just another way of saying existence is a process of becoming?

>>14617948
This is a different and speculative topic than this threads, but I just prefer the so-called "pagan" European outlook on life to the middle eastern cult that poisoned so many brains between antiquities and the enlightenment

that his intellectual mumble is not enough to change the fact that he is from and will always remain someone from the 3rd world. that counts heavily in academia.

>>14617540
My opinion is this: Zizek is a simple guy who likes reading books and eating hot dogs. He found a way that by combining Marx and Hegel with a bunch of weird Lacanian shit he accidentally learned while studying in France, he can constantly confuse people as to what is he actually saying while sounding deep. Then he added weird behavior and found a way how to generate lots of wealth by posturing as this caricature, so now he has achieved what he wanted: a lot of time to read books and eat hot dogs and smell bad in privacy of his apartment.

>>14617707
he's just nervous leave the slovene alone

>>14618252
I believe this

>>14618252
you reckon Slavoj's making bare p yeah?

>>14617894
>Christianity is good because at least it's not Islam

Really makes you think....

>>14617894

It's not Christianity to thank, its Christians not following scripture as literally as Islamic folk. If anything we have Martin Luther et al to thank, not Christ himself.

>>14617968
well, no not really. take Hegel's meme about becoming, first there is a bud, then a flower. both are distinct and complete stages of becoming. for Zizek, stages of becoming are never distinct and complete, they are full of gaps, inconsistencies, antinomies, ect. Hegel obviously hints towards this with contradiction coming from the concept itself, but it isn't really fleshed out till psychoanalysis paved the way for the ontology of lack

>>14618754
More like ANYTHING is acceptable that’s not Islam