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What are some good books that will restore my love of philosophy and make me want to put the time into again?

>read Spinoza's ethics
drop it since I don't have the attention span to read all the logic stuff
>read Heidegger's essay about truth
finish it but don't understand his neologisms
>read one of Deleuze's essays
drop since I am too dumb for the writing style
>start The Birth of Tragedy
drop since I'm not interested in the work itself and am only using it to get to others
>read Plato's Parmenides
don't understand it and give up philosophy for a while

I've read most of Plato, some Aristotle, Aquinas, a little bit of Kant, but I feel like I can't understand any of the really difficult philosophers that would require a lot of work to put in. I've read a lot about the history of philosophy and secondary sources so I know the context for these works, but I just can't manage to read them in the primary source.

What will restore my desire to learn?

>> No.14557516

>>14557513
my cock

>> No.14557518

>>14557516
I'm afraid it's too short to rekindle my desire

>> No.14557550

>>14557518
Don’t be afraid, I won’t bite

>> No.14557584

should be a need not desire
go live your life, learning will call you when the time is right

>> No.14557604

>>14557584
There's really no "need" to read anything if you are concerned with only the practical. That really isn't my question

>> No.14557616

Reading is overrated, throw yourself into the unknown

>> No.14557622

>>14557604
>There's really no "need" to read anything if you are concerned with only the practical.
strong disagree

>> No.14557654

>>14557513
Try Augustine’s confessions, Marcus A. meditations, Hobbes LeviathoN, or Descartes meditation. The former two are actual fun understandable reads since it’s more stream of consciousness instead of rigid analytic stuff. They were a breath of fresh air that brought me back to the enjoyment I had with Plato’s Republic, especially after the dryer parts of Aristotle.

The latter two are surprisingly also very readable. Descartes is more stream of consciousness two, but it’s more focused than the previous, but, with my translation at least, he has such a good grasp of language that he explains things very coherently and enjoyably

Hobbes is the driest, but since it’s mostly political theory, with some philo at the front it’s likewise a palatable read.

>> No.14557655

>>14557654
I second Marcus's Mediations.

Stoicism rekindled my love for philosophy.

>> No.14557692

>>14557654
>>14557655
I've read meditations but I haven't read Confessions so I might give that a try. Thanks for the reccs anon

>>14557622
Care to explain? Surely most of philosophy doesn't have much practical use compared to other things one could learn.

>> No.14557702

Read books with philosophical meanings if you're not interested in philosophy.

It's like watching anime instead of reading Mangas, same story same ideas just different way to discover it.

>> No.14557773

>>14557513
WV Quine - 'Word and Object' (1960)
HLA Hart - 'The Concept of Law' (1961)
Jerry Fodor - 'The Language of Thought' (1975)
Michael Dummett - 'Truth and Other Enigmas' (1978)
Robert Nozick - 'Philosophical Explanations' (1981)
Derek Parfit - 'Reasons and Persons' (1984)
David Lewis - 'On the Plurality of Worlds' (1986)
Thomas Nagel - 'The View From Nowhere' (1986)
David M. Armstrong - 'A World of States of Affairs' (1997)
Stewart Shapiro - 'Philosophy of Mathematics: Structure and Ontology' (1997)
Jaegwon Kim - 'Mind in a Physical World' (1998)
Thomas Scanlon - 'What We Owe to Each Other' (1998)
Timothy Williamson - 'Knowledge and Its Limits' (2000)
Amartya Sen - 'The Idea of Justice' (2009)

>> No.14557777

>>14557773
I really have no interest in analytic philosophy so unless you describe a bit about those books, I am not going to be very excite to investigat them.

>> No.14557819

>>14557777
>analytic philosophy
What you call 'analytic philosophy' is just Philosophy. Heidegger, Deleuze, et. all. are not philosophers; they are posturing charlatans with nothing coherent to say.

>> No.14557853

>>14557819
Ok cool. Regardless of your complaints, there is a reason continental philosophy is actually influential in art, society, and religion and not the literal whos forever relegated to the dust bin of anglo universities.

>> No.14557867

>>14557853
>continental "philosophy"
>influential
No.

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14557877

>>14557513
To go with Marcus Aurelius, I recommend Marius the Epicurean by Walter Pater. It’s just a coming of age story with wonderful prose and themes of philosophy. The mc meets Aurelius, reads Pater’s own translation of the myth of Cupid and Psyche. It very nice.

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14557880

>>14557867
>implying the literal whos you posted are somehow different

>> No.14557910

>>14557880
Sorry to hear you have no familiarity with Philosophy.

>> No.14557943

>>14557877
Pater was certainly a master prose stylist.

>> No.14557999

>>14557513
ITT: people recommanding op the same shit op said was boring.

Try to stay away from essays and non sensical jerking off big words and ideas, read novels with actual stories and plot that convey philosophers wisdom and thoughts. I'm french so I'll mostly have French examples but you can try any novels written by French philosophers of the 18e. A few examples could be
- voltaire: candide, zadig, micromegas
- montesquieu: lettres persanes
- diderot: entretien d'un père avec ses enfants, supplément au voyage de bougainville

I'm sure you'll get the idea. If you find old schmucks talking about philosophical thingies boring, you should try when they avoid to be boring in an effort to convey meaning.

>> No.14558031

>>14557999
Thanks anon, those seem interesting. Do you have any reccs from a different time period? I just finished reading some stuff from that time and I'm a bit burnt out with enlightenment stuff

>> No.14558088

>>14558031
Sure, it all depends on how purist you are in regards to philosophical meaning. I find a lot more value in ideas expressed through stories and novels to get you involved and hooked rather to good old boring essay.
My personal reccs would be
- Eiji Yoshikawa and his loose Musashi biography. Think it's called the stone and the sword, and the follow up novels. Lots of eastern philosophy and way of life, it can get you interested on a few historical figures.
- Apologia Socrates. When I was younger I just read Plato stuff because I thought Socrates was cool and I've learned a lot more by just reading shit about Socrates than in any of Platos work
- kitaro isaka - audubon's prayer. Just because I love this book and I shamelessly recommend it anytime I can. Think Japanese alice in wonderland.