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>based catholic frog. Still confused over the original church
>accepts the trinity without question

>>14545316
thx for the bump

>>14545185
Non-dualism isn't gnostic unless you mean 'gnosis' is the very broad sense of general spiritual realization which also applies to Christian mystcism etc. In non-dualism typically the world is not viewed as evil and the creator is not viewed as malevolent.

>>14545397
I said it's gnostic because of two things:

i. the ascension by the non-dualist is achieved through gnosis. (that's one if not the best definition of gnosticism)

ii. the whole thing about our 'noetic soul', 'spirit', 'spark', 'atman' etc unveiling material limitations can lead to manichean views

>>14545430
I'm not sure why you think non-dualism is 'manichean', that's an explicitly dualist system. Anyways do you have any reasons why you think those things that you listed or non-dualism is bad or do you dislike it simply because you think gnosis or spiritual realization is a bad thing. Saying gnosis is bad is a hair's breadth away from saying wisdom is bad.

>>14545185
>dualism
>God is almighty except for evil :^)

>>14545316
Non-dualism has nothing to do with Christians.
>>14545430
>and gnosis is bad because...

do you mean mind-body dualism or moral dualism?
wait, never mind, either way you're wrong
pic unrelated, just chose a random one out of my reaction pic folder

>>14545185
I've never heard a good argument refuting monism. It's hard to refute something that is really more a perception or angle on viewing the universe than it is an ideology.

>>14545660
i dont think it's manichean, i said it can lead to a manichean view. how different the platonist or advaita death/freedom from the limits of the body is from manichean gnosis in the end? it's the same liberation from the matter.

non-dualism leads to sterile, indifferent search for truth devoid of real Love

>>14545685
it's not that gnosis is bad. it's just that it can't bring salvation

>>14545706
Gnosis is the path to salvation whether you're gnostic or not.

>>14545713
Jesus Christ is the only path to salvation whether you accept it or not

>>14545718
Gnostics agree with you; he had acheived gnosis as far as they're concerned. Gnosis is the process of achieving knowledge of divine truth, and in doing so becoming closer to the godhead. Whether you believe in the Gnostic cosmological model or not, that remains true.
But I guess ignorant people can achieve salvation in Christianity as well, so it's not a case of 1=1, but gnosis in Christianity would still result in the path to salvation, as it would naturally result in living a righteous, morally upright life.

Great job OP I can't argue with your well thought out and articulate opinions.

fuk u demiurge

>>14545743
Jesus is, together with the Holy Spirit, the only person that share unity with God the Father. Do you think he resurrected through his 'level of gnosis'?

in the end of history you'll be resurrected with a body as our Lord did, you'll not become 'One' with God

>>14545777
Not that I'm necessarily agreeing with who you're replying to, but your response is the equivalent of someone asking your name and you responding with an opinion on your favorite dance.

>>14545812
a. jesus resurrected with his body
b. promised would do the same with us
c. non-dualism is refuted. theres no ultimate union between Creator and creature

>>14545834
What I'm saying is your response is only interesting to someone who already believes in whatever christian denomination or otherwise that you consider true. Horse before the cart. You're not only not on the same page, your reply tells me his response was completely baffling to you. I'd recommend listening to Alan Watts for an inkling into non-duality.

>Love
Who doesn’t want to love and be loved? Many young men on this board have never been loved by a woman. They are Wounded. Do you mean love of God? Of one’s neighbor? That’s all well and good. Can you love others if you don’t love yourself? Many here hate themselves. They think that God didn’t love them. They are broken. It’s all well and good. It’s all well and good. Love is fine.
This

>>14545876
What is projecting.

>>14545872
I'm not talking about beliefs. Jesus' resurrection is a historical fact whether you accept it or not. That's why i replied like that.

>>14545876
Love is the most supreme mystery. It's the very explanation on why God created us. Only through Jesus He could teach us how to love and we still don't get it. Not talking about sentimental love.

>>14545918
Jesus' existence is commonly ascertained as a fact by most historians.

Jesus' resurrection can only be a construed as a fact by someone of a religious disposition. To say that it is a historical fact is a given for the Christian, but to say that it is a historical fact is undermining the meaning and purpose of the word 'fact', after all faith and facts are different things.

>>14545955
>Jesus' existence is commonly ascertained as a fact by most historians.
nice fanfic, he obviously didn't exist
>Jesus' resurrection can only be a construed as a fact by someone of a religious disposition.
anon, it's literally canon, Jesus (the fictional character) obviously rose from the dead

Ancient sages warned of christcucks for one who doesnt seek his inner light and god within his spirituality will be shallow external empty rituals and he is bound to continue from where he left of in next reincarnation hopefully learning his lesson then.
You're talking the slow lane for dummies , infinite manifests in finite dual forms and we perceive it as such due to our faulty lens since we are in finite forms. External gods are nothing more but personification of inner truths.
>Look within

>>14546278
>just look within bro

>>14546299
>Just be a cuck to an external entity bro
Even current Dalai lama would call you a cuck
Also >Waiting for Godot unironically

>>14546309
>cuck
spoken like a true sage redpilled enlightened etc
keep larping
>muh look within
yes sure. make a false god of yourself and you'll end up in hell. you actually already are due to your selfish blindness and it shows

Bit annon dualism is gnostic

>>14546344
yes, see >>14545430

>>14545918
Citation needed

>>14545918
>Love is the most supreme mystery. It's the very explanation on why God created us. Only through Jesus He could teach us how to love and we still don't get it. Not talking about sentimental love.
this is from the same god that denies the love between two men or two women

>>14546363
He doesn't deny that. He denies buttfucking though.

>>14546332
>hell
its just external personification of ego/shadowself -trauma,painbody
>Its not about being a self god but connecting atma-brahman individual with divine consciousness in doing so there is no duality and can happen only in the now

Im a spiritual rebel baby just rub my inner peace.

>>14546332
How do you know who'll end up in hell? Are you God?

>>14546376
those who have other gods other than God will end up in hell. i did not predict it was going to be his case, i warned him.