/lit/ - Literature

Any interest in a weekly Guenon(pbuh) reading and discussion?

Which of his books discuss actual metaphysics? The introduction to Hindu doctrines was boring cultural comparisons between east and west.

>>14534379
Read Perspectives on initiation and Man and his becoming.

>>14534371
Yeah, currentky reading Man & His Becoming
Read Intro to Hindu doctrines, Crisis of the Modern World and Reign of Quantity so far.

>>14534348
Will this book tell me how to larp as a Brahmin?

>>14534410
Just follow this chart, anon.
https://i.warosu.org/data/lit/img/0114/61/1531605382277.png

>>14534407
Those are some good books. Were they not illuminating to you?

>>14534414
Spiritual Authority and Temporal Power would be the one directly concerned with the 'castes' correct?

>>14534423
I don't exactly know what you're looking for, but yes, in Spiritual Authority and Temporal Power it is discussed.

>>14534420
Yeah, they were but to be honest some of it went over my head, I'm more interested in initiation right now, I got his perspectives on Initiation on back order.

>>14534437
You can read all of Guenon(pbuh)'s books on https://archive.org/details/reneguenon.. So you can get a head start while waiting for the order.

>>14534371
You know someone should make a Traditionalist school Discord

>>14534439
thanks for this

>>14534371
Always

Can someone please give me a quick rundown on the retroactive refutation?

>>14534454
It's a meme

>>14534461
Its not. But thanks for letting everyone know youve never read Parmenides

>>14534454

>>14534466
If Parmenides is right then retroactive refutation is impossible, since time doesn't exist.

>>14534379
the main metaphysics work are Man and His Becoming According to the Vedanta, Symbolism of the Cross and the Multiple States of the Being, it's best to read them in that order as he references the previous ones often

>>14534505
How close are they to Neoplatonism and Scholasticism? I have some level of familiarity with these but I don't know anything about Indian philosophy.

>>14534348
The website world wisdom is a good resource which has informations on a bunch of traditionalist writers, lists of their works and articles etc

http://www.worldwisdom.com/public/authors/Rene-Guenon.aspx

>>14534348
>freemason

into the trash it goes.

>>14534439
Is atman equivalent to the intellectus or is it a kind of 'oversoul'?

>>14534535
Very close infact he uses scholasticism to explicate oriental metaphysics. From what ive read he doesn't seem to directly engage with Neoplatonism but he holds it in high esteem and thinks it was influenced by oriental doctrines.

>>14534539
Guenon was a freemason? ayy lmao

Thoughts on the ascetic lifestyle? Guenon used opium. Should we be drinking, smoking, and etc?

>>14534581
There is the left hand path, but it is an extremely dangerous (albeit quicker) way to transcendency. It’s easy to fall alongside the way. Or worse yet become an obnoxious preaching junky who thinks he is/sees god in his dope trips (I’ve known too many).

>>14534581
Moderation, if not complete renunciation.

>>14534600
See Terence McKenna, Joe Rogan. These guys think that they’re spiritual because they use drugs, and then go on to spread and anti traditional message.

>>14534607
Yes, drugs pertain to the psyche not to the intellect.

>>14534535
Guenon's (pbuh) writings are mostly based in Advaita Vedanta, although he also references Sufi and Taoist writings, Bible verses etc to show how the such concepts are not the exclusive province of Hinduism but are found in other traditions as well. Advaita in some ways is similar to Neoplatonism and agrees with it on some fundamental points but also is quite different in some areas, having familiarity with the latter should help in understanding the former. If you read those books of Guenon (pbuh) that I listed in that order it will give you enough basis in eastern metaphysics to generally understand most his books on metaphysics. He also comments on the scholastics in his various books of his and draws parallels between their ideas and the eastern concepts he writes about. If you want to fully understand the metaphysics Guenon (pbuh) is writing about you could also just try reading some Advaita literature in addition to his books which is where most of the stuff he writes about comes from.

This is a good introductory Advaita text

https://realization.org/p/ashtavakra-gita/richards.ashtavakra-gita/richards.ashtavakra-gita.html

>>14534348
Which masonic lodge today have the most common with Guenon's ideas?

>>14534646
Here is a old list of lodges influenced by guenon
http://www.traditionalists.org/catalog/masonic.htm

>>14534606
What is a good justification for moderation?

>>14534784
Virtue ethics, intrinsic morality. The various religions usually advocate it anyway.

>>14534784
Bhagavad-Gita 6:16-17

Yoga is not possible for him who eats
too much, nor for him who does not eat at all, nor
for him who is addicted to too much sleep, nor for
him who is (ever) wakeful, oh Arjuna.

To him whose food and recreation are
moderate, whose exertion in actions is moderate,
whose sleep and waking are moderate, to him
accrues Yoga which is destructive of pain.

>>14534818
but we are discussing the use of vices such as Guenon(pbuh)'s use of opium. Regardless of whether it actually 'helps' people meditate, what is the argument for actually using these kinds of substances rather than trying to avoid vices?

>guenonfaggotry finally reveals its true colors: tripfagging, discord tranny "acc/general" threads, forced memes

in a word, reddit.

>>14534856
Anon, I don't even know if he is in this thread. We're just calmly discussing the ideas and concepts that Guenon(pbuh) brought to light.

>>14534539
What are your problems with freemasonry?

>>14534839
As a accessory to stimulate, focus or to calm ones mind I suppose? I guess only once you become reliant upon them then it becomes a problem.

>>14534856
At this point I dont even care, can we not discuss in peace?

>>14534839
>what is the argument for actually using these kinds of substances rather than trying to avoid vices?
There is a long history going back thousands of years using various psychoactive substances to experience the divine/spiritual etc. Some of the Hindu ascetics that Guenon writes approvingly of have been known to be smokers of hashish. I personally find that taking low amounts of psychedelics helps a lot with reading dense metaphysical books. If one does them it should be in moderation though, and one should stop if they become a problem or if one has no connection to God or the metaphysical outside of when stoned/tripping etc.

>>14534885
Noooooo you can’t! It bothers me too much! It gives my miserable life meaning to annoy other people!

>>14534874
But the feeling itself is subjective, why shouldn't we have to train our mind to do things its supposed to do rather than rely on substances?

>>14534856
seething

>>14534348
anyone here read guenon(pbuh) in french?

bump

>>14534982
Because certain substances in the proper context can lead to spiritual insights which remain valid even when sober. Many people have credited using psychedelics with sparking an interest in them for spirituality, metaphysics, eastern philosophy, yoga/meditation etc

guenonian(pbuh) bump

So was Quietism more in line with Traditionalism?

>>14535338
why do you think so?

>>14534348
where can i find rare guenon pics? there aren't a lot of them on google. any anons able to find any?

>>14535409

>>14535416

>>14535416
PEACE

>>14535420
what an absolute CHAD

>>14535420
he cute

>>14535422
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>>14534348
can we get some guenon oc fanart? how much would one cost?

>>14535469
I'm working on making more since the demand is so high.

>>14535564
can you post some samples?

>>14534348
Just wanted to post some poetry from another anon.

Guenon, light of my life, fire of my loins. My sin, my soul. Gue-----non: the tip of the tongue taking a trip of three steps down the palate to tap, at three, on the teeth. Gue. Non. Pip pip pip. He was One, plain One, in the morning, standing four feet ten before his two foot face. He was Tao in robes. He was Parmenides at life. He was Zeno on the dotted line. But in my mind he was always Guenon. Did he have a precursor? He did, indeed he did. In point of fact, there might have been no Guenon at all had I not initiated, one summer, an initial retroactive initiation. In a doctrine by the sea. Oh when? About as many years before Guenon was born as my age was that summer. You can always count on a murderer for a fancy prose style. Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, exhibit number one is what the seraphs, the misinformed, simple, noble-winged seraphs, the Whiteheadians, envied. Look at this tangle of thorns.

>>14534618
That peace be upon Krishna.

>>14534348
pbuh

>>14536208
He was Rene, plain Rene, in the morning, standing six feet ten in one sock. He was Guenon in slacks. He was René-Jean-Marie-Joseph Guénon at school. He was Abd al-Wāḥid Yaḥyá on the dotted line. But in my arms he was always Guenon pbuh.

>>14534348
>Learning French to read Guenon(pbuh) in his native tongue:
Cringe

bump

This is a Cringe General Thread (/cringen/).

Let's go guys! Let's read some fringe French brainlet who just couldn't decide what cult/creed/cringe sect join!

I am sure there is nothing better we could do with our time than this!

>>14540553
>just couldn't decide what cult/creed/cringe sect join!
bruh wtf are you talking about he was initiated into Taoism and then was initiated in Sufism and became a muslim

>>14534348
>Where are all the Guenon(pbuh) threads?
Probably deleted due to spam. If you're gonna shill your literary father figure you should continue your samefagging in this thread. Don't forget the last time guenonposting spilled into other threads, you wouldn't want a Trad exodus 2.0 now do you.

>Lit used to be a Guenon(pbuh) board with great intellectuals discussing how a great scholar rose and retroactively refuted all of western philosophy.
He was hardly discussed before trad generals which is what this thread is essentially.

>>14540832
>He was hardly discussed before trad generals which is what this thread is essentially.
Yes, I yearn to return to that primordial age.

>>14540804
lol, can we unironically make a list of how many cults and sects he joined? Masonry can be included too. Let's see:
>born Catholic
>different gnostic groups
>occultism
>Masonry
>Hinduism
>Islam
>Taoism
what a joke. Probably I am missing some.

>>14540871
Guenon(pbuh) was a great man with eclectic taste.

>>14541021
do you know if he joined any more magical/religious/cultic groups?

>>14540871
>what a joke
Rather than being a joke it is actually a sign of virtue, sophistication, erudition and spiritual attainment. The Prophet (blessings and peace be upon him) himself said according to a hadith "seek knowledge, even if it be in China". I wouldn't expect hylics like you to understand though.

>>14534348
reading Guenon (pbuh) changed my life

>>14540871
Ohnono No!

bump

Been reading Evola and bits of Guenon.

So far everything has been basically a history book about hinduism,alchemy, the grail etc.

Is there anything in the traditionalist school of thought that instructs the reader in spirituality?
In the same way a holy book or Stoic philosophy would?

>>14542110
>Is there anything in the traditionalist school of thought that instructs the reader in spirituality?
for that you would read the actual translated texts of an eastern school of thought and not the works of Traditionalists

>>14542110
Their books are merely exegetical. They don’t teach how to practice any specific religion. Then again neither does buying a book about it. Traditionalists advise that you join an orthodox religion and do as they instruct you.

I’m dissatisfied with Guenon’s passivity towards the modern world. Yes he criticizes it, but says we can’t do anything about it. This encourages timidity. Acharyaji says that we can fight back against the tide of the Kali Yuga and create a mini golden age.

>>14542241
>but says we can’t do anything about it
does he really though? I thought he wrote about an intellectual elite forming and guiding the west towards better waters

>>14541454
>reading Guenon (pbuh) changed my life
4chan loser in a nutshell

>>14542934
Into the gas chamber you go.

>>14542946
t. Muslim larping as a non-semitic-god believer

>>14542956
your projection has no power here, hylic

Lmao is half this thread just markov chains? What is this?