/lit/ - Literature

Baudrillard

Jacques Barzun - The Use and Abuse of Art

Your midwit image actually presents a good argument for postmodernism though. The only thing that progresses is technology (which arguably doesn’t always improve our lives), the idea that ideas in the present are superior to past ones is pure bullshit

Adorno would probably be your best bet since he has an ambivalent and complicated relationship to avant gardism as a deeply Hegelian Marxist, who also happens to be terrified of kitsch and the kitschification of culture so that it can become a sedative for dialectically stagnant lumpenproles. He both wants and does not want what the average joe would classify as "experimental" or "postmodern" art, because as a Hegelian he makes a very fine conceptual distinction about what constitutes valid high and experimental art after modernism, as opposed to mere post-formalist "play" or the mere appropriation of deracinated forms and ideas at the end of history.

>>14508432
How about, instead, just learning about modernism and postmodernism without any preconceived agendas, as opposed to what you’re doing now? I genuinely recommend the Birth of the Clinic and to Discipline and to Punish, both by Foucault.

>>14508504
Funny joke lol

>>14508457
There is nothing wrong with progress as long as you heading in the right direction.

>>14508526
I know, right? Expecting anyone on 4chan to actually learn, and drop their preconceived biases and agendas is a fool’s errand.

>>14508432
You really need to be 18 to post here.

>>14508537
Bro trust me just read this book and this chair on the ceiling will make sense

>>14508542
nice argument

Look up the Nazi exhibition of “degenerate art”

>>14508554
you are underaged

>>14508568
no i'm not

>>14508547
You mean that you should actually find the reasons why people do things, and then learn from them? I unironically agree with you.

>>14508580
Why do I give a fuck why people put a chair on the ceiling? Please tell me how that is gonna help me.

>>14508432
>any books validating my inane strawman

no, go away retard.

>>14508586
Nice arguments you really put a lot of them in there

>>14508584
You don’t know until you actually give it a chance and find out. Until then, you’re just acting like an uncomprehending monkey screeching at something you’re not even trying to understand. You’re a human being, reach out to someone else and find out what their art means; artists tend to explicate their shit. You’re a human being, not a monkey.

>>14508612
We all know what their art means. You do too which is why you aren't going to be able to give any arguments because you don't have any.

heres your socialist modernism bro

Any books about why socialist ideals piss off common people who have nothing to lose from them?

>>14508536
What is the “right” direction
What is a “direction” when considering ideas

>>14508623
I don’t know what any piece of art means until I’ve studied it, looked at the artist’s life, and come to my own conclusions. You’re just strawmanning by assuming a conclusion instead of finding out the real conclusion.

>>14508604
Stop using pol buzzwords first

>>14508656
Anything about the Dunning–Kruger effect.

fucking commies and their blocks of colours

>>14508656
I don't have a problem with socialism. I have a problem with the socialists influence on art.

>>14508667
Why would you want to study the life of someone and try to understand why they create their retarded art? What things are you expecting to uncover?

>>14508668
What are the pol buzzwords?

>>14508726
Good questions. Maybe you should find the answers instead of just strawmanning them? The answers are available to you, all you have to do is approach the subject with an open mind, which you are not doing. Stop acting like a screeching monkey, and act like a human being, find your answers.

>>14508734
So you don't know the answers then?

Gotta feel bad for OP. Starts a thread hoping for people to feed his preconceived notions and personal agenda, but instead is challenged to think for himself. Gotta hate seeing it when it happens.

>>14508432
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>>14508674
literal retards

>>14508737
The reason you study art is to get a better appreciation for it, and to understand your fellow human and their perspective. There’s your answer.

>>14508760
So instead of making fun of the guy who takes a shit on a canvas we should try to understand his art and his life before we speak and not try to strawman his work. ok buddy

>>14508737
He told you to answer them yourself, you fucking illiterate now shut the fuck up and read the fucking book

>>14508432
>feed me what I want to hear!!!!
Why are people like this?

>>14508768
Literally and unironically yes.

>>14508656
The Collected Transcripts of Strike and Mike

>>14508768
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>>14508783
This is why we laugh at people at you and don't take you seriously. Same with flat earthers and antivaxxers.

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>>14508776
Yeah why do we people want to read books on subjects that interest them

>>14508674
Commies were against modernism you retard. They promoted social realism, something your retarded ass would probably unironically enjoy

>>14508768
The point is that there's a reason why he takes a shit in the first place. I don't like our age, society, norms and art, but there's a reason it is what it is. You can either stay deluded and scream at clouds all day or you can educate yourself, it's your choice, kid.

>>14508584
Why should anyone ever make any art? What does making some drawings and coloring them in and putting them on a wall do to help anyone, dipshit?

>>14508815
You challenge me by not making any arguments or giving any explanations at all. You are just baiting.

>>14508814
Because we expect you to do intellectual work, when you claim to want to do intellectual work?

>>14508823
You're not actually wholly interested in the topic, that's extremely obvious from your posts, you just want to supplement your own biases. Enjoy your echo chamber, kiddo.

>>14508832
The flat earthers say the same thing why are they wrong and you aren't?

>>14508835
If I want to read a book on socialism you don't recommend a book on capitalism you retard

>>14508504
>How about, instead, just learning about modernism and postmodernism without any preconceived agendas, as opposed to what you’re doing now
This is neither possible nor desirable. Deterrence to and trust in academic authority and academic discourses is the ultimate cowardice. Pol Pot was the true great man of the 20th century.

>>14508830
>arguments
>explanations
Why do I need to spoonfeed you this shit, kid? You never explained or argued anything lmao
>>14508850
You unironically would though you fucking retard. You learn what something is by reading what it isn't as well.

>>14508843
Flat earthers are observably wrong, just as you are when you strawman modern and postmodern art. You ask for answers and then disregard them, what is the point of asking questions if you don’t want answers?

>>14508851
>you should study a subject before disregarding it
>YOU’RE JUST AS BAD AS POL POT
You do know that Pol Pot killed intellectuals and artists, right? He burned their work.

>it's too complicated for me so it must be nonsensical

>>14508825
Socialist realism wasn't opposed to modernism the same way traditionalist conservatism is opposed to it. The vast majority of the modernists were communists.

>>14508861
>Flat earthers are observably wrong,
They are factually wrong, but their desire to to undermine academic authority on even the most basic facts is wholly admirable.

>>14508814
>however fallacious their conclusions there are not very legitimate reasons for the masses to distrust scientific and medical authorities
>gibb me bookie that validates my conservative-tier reactionary preconception that postmodernism is retardation in a vacuum and not part of any continued tradition

>>14508861
Really have you read their work? I think your strawmanning their position.

>>14508869
I'm sincerely asserting that intellectualism and the notion of intellectual authority are evil and that Pol Pot did nothing wrong.

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>>14508432
>socialists creating the avant garde, modernism
>who is Ezra Pound
>who is T. S. Eliot
also this >>14508653

>>14508871
No one else in the thread has been able to answer it so maybe you can genius. What's so genius about chairs on the ceiling?

Everything in this thread opposes me but this could end with a single btfo if someone could just explain to me how I'm missing the genius of these works? You guys all read the books are you not able to explain it yourself?

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>>14508656
This and anything on the McCarthy era

>>14508656
Have you ever considered that people are capable of caring about things outside of their selfish material desires?

Art died because of technology, you dolt. Stop directing your pathetic existential anger at “commies/lefties” whatever. It’s industry and capitalism that are to blame.

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>>14508906
That’s exactly why I’m asking about the people who don’t even though they clearly don’t benefit from a capitalist world

>>14508911
I mean the decline started at the start of the 20th century and everything that happened after is influenced by those people so no it's not technology.

>>14508890
>What's so genius about chairs on the ceiling?
what's so good about jesus and allah on the ceiling?
effort? so a hyper realistic painting that took years is instantly great art?
creativity? so avantgarde and modernist art?

>>14508927
See this is where the postmodernist argument always go. There is no such thing as great art. Everything is equal. You have nothing else. Who do you think your fooling in taking the position that a blank canvas is just as equal to the sistine chapel?

>>14508927
Ah yes me dropping my keys on the table is the same as Beethoven. You can't prove me wrong which means I'm right there is no difference between the two

>>14508917
Have you ever considered that it's possible to benefit in ways that don't involve lavishing pleasures onto the body? Every discussion with nearly every communist (there's an exception to be for autistic Marxist rationalists, but they're typically not making the appeals to self-interest Hobbes did centuries ago) made with will always lead to the same point: under all the rhetoric they're just utilitarian automatons. There's literally no reason to consider someone like you full fledge person.

>>14508726
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>>14508584
You seem hostile to the concept of art as a whole; why would you be interested in about it's alleged decline? It's almost as if you aren't at all interested in it, but rather looking for material to reinforce your retarded political beliefs. Fucking philistine.

>>14508612
The problem with postmodernism is that they conflate genius with confusion. Every form of worthwhile are requires its audience to work to understand it. Postmodernism tries to achieve this in a lazy way. Instead of making something with depth and meaning, it makes something outrageous and tries to amend a purpose to it later. This style is a joke.

>premodern
god is all
>modern
everything is linear and deterministic, muh loops
>postmodern
the relation between things isn't always an obvious linear progression, it's like a net where everything is interconnected either directly or indirectly, fuck loops.

>>14508960
Art was good at one time. The theories of socialists came along and took power. Art is now bad. All I'm looking for is books by socialists who critique their fellow comrades or any book that critiques it

>>14508661
Are you telling me you dont understand these words? Obviously no two people will agree completely on these words, but people as a whole can have the same general idea of these. Nitpicking endlessly doesn't mean anything

>>14508947
What is collective societal loss of faith and its discontented expression you dingus

>>14508974
Imagine thinking art is bad because it’s no longer something exclusionary and for the elites to admire

>>14508960
>implying art is something other than a means to an end

>>14508927
What an unironically shit argument. Off yourself

>>14508993
You realize it's only the elite who admire postmodern art right? There is a reason people go to Rome and Paris to see architecture.

>>14508993
>he thinks common people admire postmodernism
>he thinks that this style isn't just art students jerking off to other art students

>>14508973
based

>>14509002
Postmodern art captures too many different forms to only be admired by any one group

>>14509006
Memes are literally a form of postmodernism

>>14508974
The foremost modernist poet was right-wing, you goddamn retard. You have no idea what you're talking about.

>>14508432
>due to socialists
Weird thing to call the CIA that

>>14508825
Lel you´re retarted :
>UHM socialism is ONE way to view the world that means that......
>it´s postmodernism which is the idea about many different ideas shaping our experience

How can one even reach that low level of self awareness??

>>14509054
Brecht is directly responsible for every negative trend in art today.

>>14509011
We know how the general population thinks about art. There aren't millions of people flocking to triangle buildings.

>>14509035
Yes because my claim was all 100% of modernists are socialists. You're really a smart guy huh

>>14509076
Jungian new age nonsense doesn't offer any real solutions. If anything Joseph Campbell (through George Lucas) has contributes more to the decline of art than any other theorist.

>>14508457
Postmodernists are the most avid followers of the idea of progress, but unlike what modernism does they, by the very definition of postmodernism, reject rationalism and other ideas which can make project actually progress society.

>>14509083
>socialists creating the avant garde, modernism
How do you reconcile this claim with the fact that key drivers of the modernist movement in literature were right-wing, in one case literally fascist?

>>14509078
Because that’s not the only form of art that people can appreciate, nor is it possible for the majority of people in the first place

>>14509102
I don't think you understand the point of what I said. My claim wasn't that they were all socialists but that socialists who were modernists are the main influence of the art world.

>>14508825
mate look up who Wyndham Lewis was, theres an irony youre not seeing

>>14509102
>In one case literally fascist
The the three figures most fundamental to the development of literary modernism, Pound, Hamsun, and Stein(oddly enough) we're all either fascists or fascist sympathizers. But this guy comes off as the kind of person who would claim that the fascists were actually communists.

>>14509113
Statistics show that the general populations of the world vote against the architecture espoused by the post modern academics. When they were shown these statistics the academics said that the people just don't have good taste. We are the academics we know what taste is.

Imagine looking at the state of the western world and blaming its shittiness on an ideology it's been fundamentally opposed to in every form for over a century

>>14508953
>poor people wanting food and a roof is lavishing pleasures on the body
Cretin

>>14509132
Because through the opposition, it has developed skills at subversion so great that it had colonized all social life. You can't so much as call your mother to check on her without appeasing the communist movement.

>>14508653
Looks like something penguin would use as cover art.

>>14509120
But that’s not true. Which ‘socialist modernists’ are you referring to?

>>14509132
It's subversive ideas and grip on academia is precisely the reason for declining the west, it's not the only reason but plays a major part.

It's destroyed academia, now the majority study the humanities, and not philosophy but utterly useless ideas and by doing so they've subverted all of science.

They destroy western institutions säand make them promote things they should be against.

They promote immigration, even to degrees to which it is harmful to the host country and promote self hatred for the original populace.

This is the opposite of how the west was during the 19th and the majority of the 20th.

Not only are the ideas subversive, they will collapse society and lead us into a new dark age.

>>14509123
Wyndham Lewis wasn’t a communist, if that’s what you’re getting at. If anything, he and Pound grew into fascism together when forming the Vorticist movement.

>>14508973
>reads Deleuze once
I agree with you though

>>14509178
>Food and a roof is the ultimate goal of communism
I have no problem with wealth redistribution and guaranteeing a certain quality of life for all, but the goal of the Communists is the complete reorientation of society into one whose purpose is to ensure that body is taken care of to the furthest of it's capabilities. On our advanced technological world that entails lavishing a great deal of pleasures (or at the very least comforts) onto it.

>>14508432
Wow what an idiotic thoughtless question. Most modern esp. abstract expressionism artists and pop art(very modern) were backed up by capitalism.

>>14509191
Brecht, Hemingway, Orwell, Parker, and Joyce.

I'd say that Joyce and Brecht did more harm to literature than anyone else from the period.

>>14508536
why is progress always the right direction?

>>14509234
Backed up by capitalism created by socialists.

>>14508884
Oh, then you should give a blowjob to a shotgun.

>>14509097
most of the people who get labeled postmodern are very much modernists past a surface level of analysis.

>>14509258
Keep licking the boot and they might let your kid into Harvard one day.

>>14509213
We were talking about socialism, not communism. And the question wasn’t even closely related to what you’re blathering on about. Go and make your own thread if you want to spout off like this.

>>14509244
Joyce wasn’t a socialist, Hemingway isn’t influential, Brecht I’ll grant, and Orwell isn’t even a modernist. I don’t know how you’re referring to with Parker.

>>14509321
*Who, excuse the typo.

>>14508432
CIA funded avant garde, socialism was against it. You're miseducated.

>>14509321
>Joyce wasn’t a socialist,
>He had attended socialist meetings when he was still in Dublin and 1905, while in Trieste, he described his politics as "those of a socialist artist." Although his practical engagement waned after 1907 due to the "endless internecine warfare" he observed in socialist organizations, many Joyce scholars such as Richard Ellmann, Dominic Manganiello, Robert Scholes, and George J. Watson agree that Joyce's interest in socialism and pacifistic anarchism continued for much of his life, and that both the form and content of Joyce's work reflect a sympathy for democratic and socialist ideas.
If don't consider Hemingway influential, then you must be fortunate enough to not be American. Bless you.
Orwell was just more modernist than anything else
I was referring to Dorothy Parker.

>>14508851
You’d shut your pants if Pol Pot made you watch one of his mass executions. Don’t mask your anti intellectualism as anti authoritarianism, that’s a good way to confuse both

>>14508432
Getting a blowjob is a lot like visiting a modern art gallery. You look at it and try to appreciate it, but you cant help but think "Man, I could just do this myself"

>>14509460
*handjob
Fuck I always fuck up jokes

>>14508978
This is not nitpicking. These are definitely valid questions. When you say "progress" as opposed to "change," you are suggesting that there is something that society and ideas are progressing towards. If there really is a direction of this "progress," then is it the right one? How do we define the right direction? You obviously have some idea in your mind of what this right direction is, (world peace, equality for all, etc.) so describe it.

>>14508656
Can potentially lose my life over it and my life just isnt destitute enough to care

>>14508656
having morals and principals rather than being a selfish loser?

>>14508457
Define progress. Should technological advancement correspond with scientific advancement, suggesting an increase in knowledge, thus progress?
Or couldnt your argument also make the case for premodernism?

>>14509480
>You obviously have some idea in your mind of what this right direction is, (world peace, equality for all, etc.) so describe it.
These examples you give are widely agreed on a progress. Everyone may have different ideas about them and ways to achieve them. However, most people are for these ideas.

I feel like we have gotten to semantical. If you ask a philosopher or artist today how to be happy, they would start digging into what the word happiness means. A Greek philosopher would just say do this, this and this, and think like this. Different ones would give different advice, but they wouldn't challenge the word happiness because its self evident

>>14508656
Ahh yes, because no has ever lost anything from socialism. Not their food, freedom, or lives.

>>14508504
Doesnt focault have an agenda himself? What books would propsose "neutral" viewpoint?

>>14509434
Anti-authoritarianism must necessarily be anti-intellectual due to the relationship between academia and the economy in our technological age. Whether mine is or not is another question. I despise intellectualism to the point that I wouldn't mind seeing the entire academic-industrial complex be on the receiving end of an authoritarian's boot.

>>14509528
Its clear you're not familiar with Greek philosophy

>>14509534
Good thing capitalism doesn’t do any of that either

>>14509558
Must have missed the dialogue where Socrates goes on some semantic tirade over a word. They were direct with their advice and would be confused and disgusted with the needless attention to details that miss the main point of discussion

>>14509596
>Must have missed the dialogue where Socrates goes on some semantic tirade over a word
Dude, that's like all of them.

>>14509596
The entire Republic is literally about defining justice. The main point of the Socratic method is to precisely define terms so we can all agree on the subject we're discussing, and that laid the foundation for all philosophy after him. I suspect you havent read a single a dialogue.

>>14509528
>Everyone may have different ideas about them and ways to achieve them. However, most people are for these ideas.

Everybody is for "progress" but it's precisely as you say; everyone has different ideas about what progress should be. And this is why we have to be very semantic about it. If we all work from a vague concept of "progress," we'll end up with people going in totally different directions. Democrats think progress is making abortion available for all, while Republicans think it involves an abolition of the practice altogether. Which one is progressing in the right direction, anon?

>>14509671
>Everybody is for "progress"
I'm not

>>14509213
Is there some other way to organize society that is more or less conducive to spiritual/intellectual nourishment? How does capitalism or feudalism foster these any better?

>>14508947
>There is no such thing as great art. Everything is equal. You have nothing else. Who do you think your fooling in taking the position that a blank canvas is just as equal to the sistine chapel?
i didn't say that. you could have simply answered me by saying sistine chapel is better than a blank canvas because of its historical significance, symbolic significance, how well it visualized the texts of the bible and how much of his life michelangelo devoted to make this piece.
my point is that art is in fact objective but it's composed of many qualities (subjectivity in art comes from which quality you prefer and which things you relate to) like historical significance, creativity, effort, etc.
post modern art is an umbrella which contains avant-garde art, symbolic mockery, deconstructed ideas, skepticism, etc. you can't just say postmodern art is bad because you saw a 100 grand taped banana on your favorite mass media that feeds off clicks

>>14509730
>you can't just say postmodern art is bad
Ok, let's assume you're correct. Show me one (1) piece of postmodern art that is good, as in "not bad" (which you just claimed it isn't).

>>14509671
>Everybody is for "progress"
*laughs in quenon*

>>14509213
>I have no problem with wealth redistribution and guaranteeing a certain quality of life for all

>>14509468
lol

>>14508439
How has no one responded to this yet. The first response pretty much nails it.
Baudrilliard foresaw postermodernism and its ending of "truth" and "ideals" and extrapolated that to now we were entering a period where truth was constructed and narratives were at the whim of the best rhetoric. There is a great Philosohpize this episode about his overall project.
His project despite being lablelled postmoder is actually a critique of the situation, even if he say it as unescapable.

>>14509189
I want to put my dick in it, so they probably already have.

>>14510104
Yeah but he writes like a postmodernist so it doesn't matter

>>14508432
Any books on whiny little shits who think they can post any old shit on /lit/ by preceding it with “any books on”?

>>14508439
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>>14508432
This image is actually a great simplification of the three orders of simulacra.
The first-order simulacra is the double, the counterfeit, functioning on the natural law of value
The second-order simulacra is a chain of equivalencies, the commodity, reproduction, functioning on the market law of value
The third order simulacra is operational simulation, with modulation, functioning on the structural law of value

>>14508432
>any books that validate my thoughts even though I have no idea what I'm talking about

>>14508656
Propaganda by Bernays.

>>14508825
Stalin and Hrustchov promoted it. Earlier ones promoted modernism.
>>14508953
PM me over astral plane, i'l explain you.

>>14509856
Fuck off retard

>>14510104
>foresaw
He didn’t foresee anything you idiot, he was writing in the middle of the damn thing

>>14510559
What? Yeah exactly, He was writing in the middle of postmodernism talking about the consequences of it.

No one realises OP is actually kind of right, and avant-gardism and socialism have gone hand-in-hand since at least Courbet. It's literally the advanced guard of a cultural revolution

>no one has told OP that the CIA/right wing spent a lot of time and money pushing for "meaningless" art hostile to interpretation
Simps

>>14508993

What kind of spaced out house nigger are you?

>>14510636
books on this?

>>14509468
well, the original works if you're flexible enough

>>14510636
>>14510665
There's one book. "The Cultural Cold War." After hearing so much about this theory I was very excited to read this book (I went to Art School.)
95% of the book is actually dedicated to the different academic journals that received funding during this time and tracking the different political sway of each.

There is only one chapter actually dedicated to Modern Art. The thesis of the chapter is much less ominous than people make it. The author explicitly states at the end of the chapter that Abstract Expressionism and modern art were actual organic movements that later the CIA became interested in promoting because they were seen as 1. explicitly American (i.e. not influenced by european art) and 2. they were perfect representations of the freedom that artists had in the states versus the highly ideological socialist realism that Soviet artists were all but forced to create.
So CIA then helped subsidize funding so that exhibitions showcasing this type of art could travel to several European institutions. There's really no conspirancy whatsoever, the only thing that really makes these things even slightly conspiratorial (funding your country's art and academia) is that both Soviet Union and the US were trying to hide funding sources by going through middle men.

>>14510750
> 2. they were perfect representations of the freedom that artists had in the states versus the highly ideological socialist realism that Soviet artists were all but forced to create

I can see why people would confuse this with conspiracy. It's confederacy of dunces tier. It's stupidity though not malice so yeah not very ominous.

>>14509078
The Sydney opera house
The entirety of dubai and abu dhabi, singapur etc

>>14508432
The Rape of the Masters - Roger Kimball

>>14510391
This post is better than 95% of the rest of the stuff on here bucko

>>14510406
nice argument

>>14509078
This is because we don‘t build (sorry i don’t know if this word even exists in english) that many Prunkbauten anymore because that shit is way to expensive in todays standards. People go see those „Prunkbauten“ and not regular ass 15th century houses (the uglier/shittier ones have probably all been torn down to build more or less equally ugly blocks. Ironically it is often authoritarian states that keep building what i would call prunkbauten. Take for example stalinist era architecture(not the one used in „normal houses“ as you also wouldn’t use some peasants home made out of wood and straw to explain why renaissance architecture is better than the post modernist stuff).

>>14509078
>There aren't millions of people flocking to triangle buildings.
People on this board are retarded about Art/Achitecture. There are literally commonplace terms referring to exactly what you are saying does not happen. The literally named the flocking of people to see "triangle buildings" as the Bilbao Effect after when Bilbao Spain became a tourist destination when Frank Gehry designed a museum there.
There's a whole critical term called Starchitecture. Theres' a wikipedia page for christsake.

>>14508432
>socialists creating the avant garde, modernism/postmodernism
oh oh, retard alert

>>14508432
A friend of mine is an accomplished painter. Routinely sells works for $10,000 plus. His art circle consists primarily of Russians, because they still learn to paint the way the old masters did. Russia was never tarnished by post modernism, apparently. Which is odd, because most of the post modernists I'm aware were heavily influenced by the Bolsheviks.
Anyways, I'd also be interested in such books. Good thread OP.

>>14510599
You wrote that he ‘foresaw postmodernism’, implying he predicted it. He may have foreseen its end, but he didn’t foresee *it*.

>>14510645
Lol I said nigger I’m so funny hahah!!! Lol funny funny nigger! I no make argument I call u nigger instead haha :)) fuck you you dumb nigger

>>14509002
Contemporary Art museum attendance is skyrocketing. There are hour long waits at private NYC galleries for certain artists. The Metropolitan museum recently added an entire building dedicated to contemporary art in order to keep up. MoMA just opened a massive expansion project.

>>14511293
Nooooo stop posting facts you’re hurting my head!

>>14508468
This summarizes my views on art incredibly well

>>14511293
Ive gone to art museums just to laugh.

>>14508656
“Nothing to lose”

Nice try

>>14511350
You've waited in a queue to pay $25 to get into MoMA to laugh at it?
I think the joke might be on you then friendo.

>>14511411
>he has to pay to get in
I forget that I share this board with plebs

>>14510750
Good post

>>14508737
YOU DON'T HAVE THE ANSWERS SWAY

>>14511542
lol

>>14508584
how will any art "help you"?
if it's even possible for art to help someone, it damn sure ain't gonna be you, with that attitude.

>>14508768
>So instead of making fun of the guy who takes a shit on a canvas we should try to understand his art and his life before we speak and not try to strawman his work. ok buddy

>guy who wrote that shitposts on /lit/
>gets made fun of
pottery

>>14508432
>(((leftists)))
The Controversy of Zion

>>14508432
For me, it's the circle.

>>14512559
Ah wait never mind, a sphere is the most woke form of art.