/lit/ - Literature

>>14500949
based

>>14500949
>no Kierkegaard

you wear a hat LMAO

>>14500949
who is the last guy?

>>14501708
Griboyedov

>>14501727
Is that how you spell Samuel Beckett?

>>14500949
>Ok, let me start with the existentialists like anon told me
>*cracks open the Birth of Tragedy*
>Who’s Apollo? Who’s Dionysus? Who’s Sophocles? Who’s Aeschylus? Who’s Euripides? Who’s Socrates?

Start with the Greeks, no exceptions

>>14501868
>reading 20000 pages of translation

>>14500949
Existentialism is a 20th century movement, it basically means Sartre/Jaspers/Marcel. Nietzsche and Schopenhauer aren't existentialists.

>>14501358

This. Everything later existentialists had to say was just a rewording of Kierkegaard. Even Nietzsche is basically the same.

>>14501708
Stirner

>>14501944
Its supposed to be but it is not

>>14501708
It's Samuel Beckett

>>14500949
Start with philosophy. Read what interests you. This reading will hopefully lead to more reading that interests you. With luck, the more you read, the more interesting the conversations will become. You're now on an endless, inexhaustible journey of intellectual investigation while the world burns around you.

>>14500949
None of those writers are existentialists.

>>14500949
WHY does Nietzsche snivel so?

>>14502595
/thread

>>14500949
>The Greek word “philosophy” (philosophia) is a compound word, composed of two parts: ‘Philos’ (love) and ‘Sophia’ (wisdom). It literally means love of wisdom.
PHILOSOPHY IS A LOVE OF KNOWLEDGE, NOT SOME CHEAP WAY FOR PSEUD FAGGOTS TO VALIDATE YOUR PREEXISTING OPINIONS. HERE'S MY IMPRESSION OF EVERY NIGGER IN MY PHILSOPHY CLASSES IN COLLEGE:

"HURR DURR I LOVE (INSERT PHILOSOPHER HERE) SO MUCH BRO BECAUSE I AGREE WITH THEM ABOUT (INSERT DUMB SHIT HERE)

SKIPPING OVER SHIT THAT TRIGGERS YOU JUST TO READ NIGGERS THAT REGURGITATE YOUR OPINIONS BACK TO YOU IS REDDIT TIER NIGGITRY OF THE HIGHEST CALIBER. START WITH THE MOTHERFUCKING GREEKS FOR FUCKS SAKE. PHILOSOPHY IS A 2000+ YEAR OLD DIALOGUE BETWEEN GREAT MINDS, NOT SOME HIP EDGY TREND FOR STUPID FUCKING NIGGERS TO USE AS A FORM OF MENTAL MASTURBATION. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>14503040
hello, based department?

>>14501868
Everyone knows who those people are

>>14503651
i dont

>>14503040
So I should read the feminists?

>>14503674
You’re an idiot who shouldn’t read then

>>14503651
Alright, you know who they are and the extent of your knowledge of their work doesn't go beyond 3-4 sentences.
Do you still think it's viable to read stuff like that, you retard?

>>14504117
Usually when a philosopher references a older philosopher they explain the other philosophers position first

I’ve never read something ever and been like wow I should have read the Greeks I cannot understand this!!! It doesn’t happen

>>14502130
pargasraka

>>14503687
Yes.

>>14500949
Schopenhauer was a pessimist not an existentialist, don't worry, brainlet mistake.
Forgetting Kierkegaard is just unforgivable though.

Daily reminder that Nihilism won.

>>14506710
and that's a good thing!

>>14506683
>im a retard who can only think in labels

>>14506725
>"Start with the existentialists"
>leaves out the literal founder of existentialism
>includes a pessimist

>>14501931
based this poster

>>14501708
it's samuel beckett but he means stirner

>>14503040
exalted frogposter

>>14503598
Yeah, it's for >>14503040

>>14500949
Ah good, the actual /lit/-core philosophers. None of that Muslim French fag.

>>14505294
You would if you understood it

>>14503040
Truly a god amongst men

>>14501708
Leorio Paladiknight

>>14503693
Not everyone is into philosophy. Some people like fiction and non-fiction, even if you view them as 'casuals'.

Start and end with wittgenstein

>>14507376
"no"

>>14500949

Nietzsche belongs on twitter. Not a Philosopher, not even a poet, just a serial brain farter, like the faggot with the Jack Nicholson avatar that everyone retweets. Eat shit.

>>14507376
He is also an existentialist

>>14501708
Plato.

Wittgenstein, who had a background in what would today be called aerospace engineering, came to Cambridge and asked Bertrand Russell:

"Do you think me an idiot?"

"I do not know whether you are not an idiot, or if you are one. But write me an essay on any philosophical topic of your interest, and I shall read it and tell you." Russell replied,

"Because of you think me an idiot, I will become an aeronaut, but if you think me not an idiot, I will become a philosopher."

>>14501708
Skeletor

Beckett was no exisentialist in the usual sense, he had a significantly different view of things than Camus and Sartre (the question of free will, the role of the individual, the absurd).

>>14501931
Nietzsche has a different focus to Churchyard.

>>14508977
Beckett was proto- (and actual) nouveau roman. Think Robbe Grillet.

>>14503040
>love
>real

>>14509145
Woah there Buckaroo.

>>14509264
but really
I've been trying to cure my nihilism/pessimism with philosophies, religion and wholesomeness, to no avail.
I think in the end of the day humans really are just pathetic animals who are only satisfied winning in the social/sexual competition hierarchy.
tl;dr happiness is as fleeting as a 5 second coom inside a pussy. What a gay ass existence.

>>14501708
One of the brothers Karamozof

>>14507376
>start with Wittgenstein
good suggestion
>end with Wittgenstein
impossible

>>14507409
Ironic, since Kierkegaard is one of the few philosophers Wittgenstein admired.

>>14503040
This. Though the oft quoted etymology is love of wisdom, “philo” can also describe attraction in a general sense, not just emotional, but physical, or otherwise. So I think a more proper translation would be attraction to knowledge, even though it is not quite as snappy. It’s basically the opposite of “phobic”. Something like oil that is hydrophobic, doesn’t hate water, it simply repels it.

Attraction and repulsion are more universal concepts than love and hate. Though all love is a form of attraction and all hate a form of repulsion.

>>14509322
yeah seems like caring about ideas is a cope about not being on top of a social/sexual hierarchy.

>>14509322
While pain and sadness does last longer, the persuit of constant happiness is just another inevitable descent into being a endorfine addicted coommer trying to forget about the nature of the world which isn’t sad or happy. Just indifferent

>>14509322
>>14509322
Never got pessimist. They acknoledge that nothing really matters but then go on to make a negative qualitative assessment like “humans are pathetic Animals” which ascribes not just an arbitrary value judgment, but one that is arbitrarily negative. So it’s negativity for the sake of negativity and nothing more. If you are being arbitrary why not be blasé or positive? The only explaination I can think of is that they get some perverse enjoyment out of it.

>>14509398
See, someone took the indifference pill. The indifference or positive pills are the only honest pills of nihilism.

>>14509398
how do you not descend into depression by accepting indifference and quitting pursuing happiness though? That's fatal boredom.
>>14509425
I never said nothing matters, it's more like it matters in a wrong way, or the wrong things matter. All meanings are overshadowed by primitive needs, and nothing outside of them hold meaning except as coping.
So I think what I'm trying to say is the only real meaning is the satisfaction of our animal needs. And not even pursuing them is meaningful because it's a fleeting satisfaction that will lead to an eternal struggle with no lasting effects to show for it.
And that is very sad for me, because I want to, and tried, to believe in other things, but I simply can't. Higher pursuits of intellect and spirit seem vain.

>>14509522
Ah, that makes more sense. But even still, you describe base biological imparitives as the ultimate meaning yet you want more? Are you saying there is a higher meaning, but you cannot figure it out, or that there is some defect in biology that wants more than it can ever achieve? However, I would ask if you believe in a difference between meaning and causation, because if there is I would question if biologicals wants are meaning, you could maybe go to a higher degree of cause and say pleasure or the rule of attraction, or want as a more general idea.

>>14509522
>how do you not descend into depression by accepting indifference and quitting pursuing happiness though? That's fatal boredom.
World really doesn’t give a fuck about me, other humans do but in a broader view after I die there’s going to be a tv playing a pop song in the distance, a couple will wed and no leaves will fall as I leave this earth. The world is going to keep rolling the same way it was before I existed.
So I’m making the best of my time and enjoy everything, sadnes, joy, all. Being makes me feel that I exist and while I do I’m gonna experience it

>>14509357
where do you go after him?

>>14509357
>Ironic, since Kierkegaard is one of the few philosophers Wittgenstein admired.
I know, Wittgenstein himself acknowledged that he couldn't stand on the same level as Kierkegaard

>>14501868
>the first nietzsche book he reads is birth of tragedy
You obviously start with the laye aphoristic works (Gay Science, Beyond Good and Evil), then move onto the genealogy, then read the opus Zarathustra, then read his final books twilight of the idols and the antichrist, finishing off with his last aphoristic collection the will to power, then reading ecce homo to better understand who nietzsche is, and only then going back to his early aphoristic work, since he was still confused himself at that time, human, all too human, and daybreak, and only then finishing off finally with birth of tragedy, which strictly isn't even really philosophy.

>>14506683
>Erkenntnis der Einheit aller Wesen und Askese, Verneinung des Willens zum Leben allein kann uns erlösen, nicht der Selbstmord, der nur die individuelle Erscheinung des Allwillens vernichtet

>>14501875
>being too autistic to read something not in the original language

>>14501708
Harry Potter

>>14501708
Goebbels

>>14509593
>or that there is some defect in biology that wants more than it can ever achieve?
this, basically.
>However, I would ask if you believe in a difference between meaning and causation, because if there is I would question if biologicals wants are meaning, you could maybe go to a higher degree of cause and say pleasure or the rule of attraction, or want as a more general idea.
this I don't understand.