/lit/ - Literature

Industrial Society and its Future

>>14485659
Being functionally literate, actually reading books. Intellectual inquisitiveness immediately debunks boomer delusions.

>>14485682
>Industrial Society and its Future

based and kaczynski posted

The Strange Death of Europe because immigration is the biggest delusion of all, and it fuels most of the other major problems like housing, healthcare, and wage suppression.

>>14485682
>>14485740
Ted Kaczynski is awesome, but I prefer the agrarian lifestyle over the hunter-gatherer one. His criticism of industrial society are on target, but I don't agree with his solution of going back to a hunter-gatherer lifestyle.

>>14485682
Shut up with that fucking retard

>>14486181
Shut up with that fucking retard

>>14485659
Gotta love that cheap labor, millions of slaves driving those wages down.

>>14485659
so why are people not rioting ?

>>14486225
Sedatives in the water

>>14486225
Incredibly sophisticated propaganda campaigns convincing them from birth that everything is going perfectly and nothing could be changed even if it wasn't

>>14486225
identity politics and me culture

>>14486225
brainwashing, people think their lives are good because they can finance a new phone every year and watch television at all hours

>>14486225
Manufacturing Conesent explains why.

>>14486225
The extreme fragility of wellbeing. If the riot fails you'll be worse off than you were before.

>>14486238
how to nullify them?

>>14485659
Starting fires with electrical timers

I believed this "back then you just walk into any building and you get a job" meme until I read bukowski, he could only get shitty jobs and was always broke

>>14486358
Wonder why an alcoholic druggie hanging in the ports of Los Angeles where prostitutes frequented couldn't get a job

>>14486225
No hungry children, no riots. It all loops back to birth control. No animal population can undergo such a drastic change without expecting drastic results.

>>14486308
Just drink alcohol. Tbph there should be serious studies on the role of alcohol in historical revolutions

>>14485659
>tfw me and every millennial I know is smart/capable enough to have a job and enter the housing market
It literally is just you, fucking lazy pussy lol

>>14486522

You certainly didn't have a starting wage of $19/hour for unskilled labor though

>>14486522
Good job buddy, but i'm fairly sure that across most of the western world the age of which people can afford to settle into homes and build families is on an increasing trend.

>>14485659
Mein kampf unironically.

>>14485659

>>14485659
oh boo hoo hoo
the pic forgets to mention how much cheaper everything is now as a percentage of household income
food is about half as expensive as it was a couple of generations ago
you have a tiny device in your pocket that can replace half a dozen of the things that people used to have to buy separately
clothes are cheaper, cars are cheaper, flights are cheaper. when i was a kid people had to save up for months just to go on holiday for a couple of weeks. now everyone goes abroad multiple times each year
not only that but life expectancy is greater and many diseases that people used to die of are now easily treatable or have disappeared completely
life is objectively better now than it ever has been before. shame you fucknuts have let it all go to waste by forgetting how to have sex

>>14486590
>>14486253
>>14486240
>>14486225
>>14485740
>>14485682
>>14486590
>>>/pol/
Only socialist queers would think life is awful.

>>14486542
No I started working for ten bucks an hour delivering pizza in HS, what’s your point?
>>14486555
But I find it significant that it corresponds with the rise in acceptance of a laxadasical solitary lifestyle

I know everyone here hates Peterson, so I’ll just clarify I am not trying to defend him in general, but his point about wealthy people getting married is poignant: people have been pushing away from marriage/family/church/etc and when you leave those established structures (for good or bad reasons) you leave behind a network of icome generation. I’m not here to tell people what to do with their lives, just noting connections

>>14486606
>life is better because of ryanair polluting more and instagram travel culture
ok boomer

>>14486608
Daily reminder hitler was right
T./pol/ack

>>14486542
I make more than that riding for ocado zoom

>>14486628
>ok boomer
translation: i don't want to face up to uncomfortable truths, so i'll try to suppress debate by making an unimaginative comment

>>14486642
>>>/pol/

>>14486624
>No I started working for ten bucks an hour delivering pizza in HS, what’s your point?

Are you fucking retarded or something? Did you even read what picture and thread you are replying to?

>>14485740
>counting financial capital like stocks as wealth
Worthless.

>>14486225
It doesn’t look cool on tv when blue collars protest

Mainly because they won’t riot, that would be black culture appropriation

>>14486649
ok boomer

>>14486606
life expectancy is trending down in the USA, wages are stagnant, and more people live paycheck to paycheck with no savings than ever you stupid boomer

>>14486225
wont be riots until people dont feel comfortable anymore

if things continue america will implode soon, all it will take is another politician that appeals to people's pain like trump. but an intelligent one that takes that platform, that pain and wields it like a weapon

>>14486649
o-ok BOOMER

>>14486670
pretty weak anon. Now go on, say it again.

>>14486653
Read it but my point is addressing the overarching issue: i don’t doubt that things were better in boomers days, what i am saying is you don’t need to even start as a 14 year old making 19 an hour to still be able to enter the housing market

>>14486606
>life is objectively better now than it ever has been before
No it isn't dumbfuck.

>>14486225
bread and circuses

>>14486624
You're noting some connections and missing others that are painfully obvious. The fact your HS job paid 60% of a boomer's HS job is significant. The decreased means contributed to what you describe as "lackadaisical" solitude more than you are willing to admit. People will put in effort relative to their perceived benefit. If the benefits decrease, then so does the effort.

>NO NO NO! THE AMERICAN STANDARD OF LIVING CAN'T NORMALIZE WITH THE REST OF THE WORLD AFTER A BRIEF PERIOD OF BEING AHEAD DUE TO THE AFTERMATH OF WWII

>>14487073
Not American but you can shut the fuck up. You are justifying the globohomo kikes lowering the standards for everyone, when ideally the standards should be raised across the board. This will entail drastically lowering the global population btw

>>14486939
That’s called an excuse
I don’t care how much effort people put in due to whatever they foresee- in no way was being a pizza delivery boy pet of a grandiose life plan for me, I just always worked. If people don’t want to work because they think they’re being cheated then they sacrifice being pontentially cheated for being assuredly impoverished

>>14487134
>lowering the standards for everyone
Not for pajeets or Africans or chinks. The American and European lead was always an historical anomoly, normalcy is reasserting itself with the inevitable return of India and China to their usual place of global dominance

>>14486850
prove it

>>14487234
Delusional

>>14487234
alright pajeet

>>14486238
Unironically this. Although it's passive and our own doing. Pharmaceutical pollution is pretty fucking serious.

https://phys.org/news/2019-11-antidepressants-polluting-fish-behavior.html

https://www.sciencealert.com/our-antidepressants-are-having-a-strange-effect-on-the-way-fish-hunt-for-food

https://www.health.harvard.edu/newsletter_article/drugs-in-the-water

>>14486180
How can you honestly have a preference for something you've never tried?

>>14486225
no riot = new iphone
riot = no new iphone

who the fuck cares about millenials? They're aging and lost already.
It's zoomers who are fucked, growing up when loneliness and depression is ubiquitous and fashionable. Not even to getting into finances and academia.

>>14486606
>life is better because we consoom better!
you deserve petabytes of basedjacks

>>14485659
>boomer hate threads on /lit/
based beyond belief. we need to immediately cage and slaughter every boomer and gen x walking this earth.

>>14486606
>rent, one of the most major expenses, is 5x-10x more expensive compared to income
>education and healthcare are both dramatically more expensive compared to income
>but it's okay, you don't need medical care or a place to live, anon, a smartphone is soooo cheap now lol!!!
YOU.
NEED.
TO.
BE.
MURDERED.
and there's a good chance that a somali "christian" you voted to import is lurking around somewhere very, very close, prepared to grant you just that remedy to your retardation, boomer. enjoy it. oh, they won't go after z and y. we don't have any money for them to steal, after all.

>>14486608
bugman

>>14486606
the "household income" meme is a fucking sham and the definition of what constitutes a "household" keeps changing and liberal economists keep moving the goalposts every time a new study comes out showing worsening immiseration. suck my dick, pinkerbot.

>>14486225
liberalism has taught centrists that action beyond peaceful protests and posting harry potter quotes on social media is "just as bad as the fascists"

>>14486606
>food is about half as expensive as it was a couple of generations ago
also pumped full of hormones, chemicals, steroids, pesticides and CIA nigger mind control nanobots. fewer people have the disposable income to eat out, now consume nutritionally appalling fast food and packaged high fructose corn syrup enriched garbage. also s o y l e n t.
>you have a tiny device in your pocket that can replace half a dozen of the things that people used to have to buy separately
which also serves as a listening/tracking device for the government, a data farm for virtually every tech corporation in existence and even comes with its own built-in planned obsolescence technology to ensure you'll need to replace it sooner than later.
>clothes are cheaper, cars are cheaper, flights are cheaper. when i was a kid people had to save up for months just to go on holiday for a couple of weeks. now everyone goes abroad multiple times each year
fewer people are even getting their drivers license, travel has become increasingly burdensome thanks to the war on terror and its oppressive machinations making airports a fucking nightmare and the TSA literally molesting people and scanning your nude body without consent.
>now everyone goes abroad multiple times each year
the tourism industry is at an all time low in the developed world. more people are going on vacations to shitholes because it's more affordable.
>not only that but life expectancy is greater and many diseases that people used to die of are now easily treatable or have disappeared completely
our life expectancy has dropped for the third year in a row. healthcare has become increasingly unaffordable, what's "easily treatable" still costs an arm and a leg in america. and to say nothing of the predatory health insurance industry running a literal racket on people's' lives
>life is objectively better now than it ever has been before.
by what metric?

>>14486663
Based wizard

>>14487073
Retard. No one cares if it normalizes. The problem is that boomers still live with the economical expectations that it hasn't normalized. They deliver those expectations to their kids, their stock portfolios, their old age gibs, everything. No reduction in decadence is allowed to enter their sphere of existence.

A GENERATION OF SOCIOPATHS

>>14486606
>the pic forgets to mention how much cheaper everything is now as a percentage of household income
Women entering the workforce drove down wages, it's impossible for a single man to provide an entire family middle-class comforts on a middle-class job
>food is about half as expensive as it was a couple of generations ago
Food has actually improved from the mid-century with technology due to better transportation. However, even accounting for inflation, cost has marginally decreased. A head of cabbage (ordinary green cabbage) at Minimax in Houston cost 7 cents in 1960 (sale price can go down to 3). Today, Walmart sells cabbage for 48 cents a pound, with the old price being only 10 cents cheaper. However, it neglects the other things that come at the cost, like how little food plants pay these days or quality cuts made to lower costs.
>clothes are cheaper, cars are cheaper, flights are cheaper. when i was a kid people had to save up for months just to go on holiday for a couple of weeks. now everyone goes abroad multiple times each year
Cars are objectively not cheaper. Accounting for inflation new cars are literally $10000 more expensive on average than 1960
>not only that but life expectancy is greater and many diseases that people used to die of are now easily treatable or have disappeared completely
Life expectancy has dropped off, and between unvaccinated third worlders coming into the West en masse and antivaxxers diseases are returning
>life is objectively better now than it ever has been before
can't tell if this is genuine self-righteous boomer stupidity or bait

>>14485659
Inflation ran in the double digits for most of the seventies and eighties

>>14487073
That was happening in the 60s you fucking retard, what's happening now is more complex than your smooth brain take.

read marx

>>14486661

@14486606
>life is objectively better now than it ever has been before.
Ooh thanks for reminding me of this liberal rhetorical placation, that one's a goodie.

>>14488373
The worst part is that baby boomers were literally the counter-culture (hippie) generation, and now have been MKULTRA'd by liberals into a permanent state of holding back any fucking progress. Fuck them for their complacency in the socialist revolution.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2019/12/21/election-2020-pete-buttigieg-attracting-older-democratic-voters/2664703001/

>>14486606

>>14486238
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>>14486661
Stocks give dividends and grant power. It's not just wealth, but much more, dum-dum.

>>14486606
>a slave in the 19th century lived better than one in the 17th
>therefore there's nothing wrong with slavery
Shit develops and times change, but shit is still shit and struggles are still struggles.

>>14489256
Based Pinker

AAAAHHHHHHH!!!!! OOOOOOHHHH NOOOOOOO!!!! AAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!! IS THAT? OH MY GOD?! IS THAT SISYPHUS!!!!!! AAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!! IT'S INDESCRIBABLY HORRIFIC! MUST CASH OUT 401K! AAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!

>>14488502
Based and blackpilled

>>14486253
These are tools but not the root cause. Identity politics were likely invented by corporate neoliberals to divide the working class into discrete ethnic groups.
Basically, you send dimwits to college under the tacit agreement they use their education to screech at skilled laborers and prevent them from unionizing or forming cross-ethnic bonds.

I have a hard time organizing my thoughts in the tiny comment window, but the point is that corporate oligarchy is the root cause, and identity politics in higher education and media are tendrils of the beast.

>>14486661
>durrr its not money so it doesnt count

>>14489249
It's not like the hippies actually did anything.

>>14486489
I never really looked into it but i did notice the correlation
got any more info?

>>14489589
Schizo observation about twitter btw, why the character limit? It's like the don't want people to express full, coherent thoughts.

>>14486225
Low test. Seriously test level are down 40% compared to boomer times, who were already a bit limp wrist compared to their forefathers.
You can say it's toxic masculinity, superficial biologism, or whatever, but a low test population will simply not rebel in any consistent and/or efficient manner.

>>14489589
>Identity politics were likely invented by corporate neoliberals to divide the working class into discrete ethnic groups.
People identify much more, ith their ethnicity than with any such 'class' and that had been the case since forever.
You can decry it but saying it's the big bad corporate overlords mind controlling the lumpenproles into it is pure schizo. In fact recent corporate trends have been to level all ethnic distinctions to expand reach. Anyone that has worked into a multinational and has had to bear the mandatory induction where half of it is chanting about diversity knows this, which makes it obvious you never worked in one (not that it's a bad thing).

>>14485659
>>14485659
you could turn so many people Leftwing by blaring this fact everywhere and forgetting about idpol

>>14489631
>People identify much more, ith their ethnicity than with any such 'class'
I suspect this is why you end up with such a wide variety of lbgtq individuals. They're inventing ethnicities and sub-ethnicities to belong to. It's kinda ironic, the people who screech the most about the evils of european tribalism invented an entire toxic culture devoted to inventing tribes to belong to. It's not really ironic, I guess. They seem to be aware of what they're doing.

>>14489664
>animal that spent millions of years living in tribes tends to spontaneously create tribes and feel better living in them
imagine that

>>14489674
They're not spontaneous, though, they're seeded in media and higher education, and they all revolve around sexual dysfunction.

>>14489693
very true. I guess it's more the spontaneous need to create social(political almost?) alliances with people around you, little webs that you belong to to give you identity, and sense of companionship and whatever. This instinct is coopted by various groups/forces. Not saying anything really new here

>>14489700
Yeah, I have a tendency to use social media like a blog, I should maybe write my bullshit privately.

>>14489700
In the past the status of belonging to a minority group tribe was not an advantage. Presently status has been turned into a commodity which explains the thriving industry of churning out new identities to capitalize on a market that disproportionately advantages minority identities.

It's beyond silly, but it will pass like a fad in a few generations.

Boomers aren't evil, they're just stupid. All peoples, boomer and zoomer alike, are constantly complicit in selfish acts and systems anyway (you eat meat don't you?) so you can't hate em too much.

>>14486369
God DAMN that lifestyle sounds comfy

>>14486225
Weed & other drugs
Party culture
Porn
Sex without consequences
Massive propaganda
Food and water poisoned with sugar and hormone disruptors
Atomisation of society
Controlled dissidence

>>14486522
>It literally is just you, fucking lazy pussy
t. boomy boomer

>lol
You're trying too hard to not look like a boomer, kinda funny.

>>14488502
>CIA nigger mind control nanobots
I'm fucking dying anon

>>14489631
>saying it's the big bad corporate overlords mind controlling the lumpenproles into it is pure schizo

>>14486606
Clothes are cheaper because they are made by malaysian child slaves with plastic fabrics

>>14489249
>muh socialism
>muh progress
is this how retarded monarchists sounded in the early 20th century after their ideology had been btfo all over the world?

>>14486606
>the pic forgets to mention how much cheaper everything is now as a percentage of household income
That's not how inflation works, that pic means that $3.25 of stuff in '72 was $19.03 dollars worth of stuff in 2017. It's a real straightforward argument, a 14 year olds manhour was valued more highly than many skilled people's manhours today

>>14486646
>I make more than that riding for ocado zoom
That's not even $15/hr

>>14486163
When will you guys wake up and realize they are completely aware that immigration doesn’t benefit you? It benefits them. It’s cheap labor, tax dollars, and consumers. White men don’t buy products or work for cheap. They don’t care about you. There’s no delusion at work at all.

>>14486225
Capitalist propaganda is such a massive industry that people will never stop loving their oppressors.

>>14489249
Very few boomers were actually hippies and hippies have been scapegoated and vilified all to hell. Most boomers are fascist as fuck. Most people are fascist as fuck under the guise of liberty or some shit. Nuke America.

>>14486628
You're on the wrong website, friend

>>14489741
This

>>14489983
Not really. Don't you need at least a framework of religious tradition in fascism? Every boomer I know is either a fundie or a "spiritualist".

Millenials like to think theyre hotshit but are impotent and just blame boomers sometimes rightfully sometimes wrongly. Gen z is braineded, hopefully gen a? Is good

>>14490057
in what way nigger? /lit/ is anti consumer and everyone can see through these bland people who "live for travel"

>>14490383
>he thinks gen z are going to be having children

>>14490383
>get financially castrated at birth and throughout young adulthood
>impotent
really makes me think. Agree about Gen Z though. Thank God I didn't grow up with cell phones.

>>14485659
>pffff of course I can move papers from one desk to another and deserve to earn hundreds of thousands of dollars for it my work adds so much valuee to this word !!! the scotish guy 200 years ago said this is how it happens!!!!! yes some poor chink in bum-fuck-nowhere has to slave 12 hours a day earning just enough to sustain itself, bbbbut thats just because his country doesn't have the manufacturing technology like ours teehee, noo these 2 don't relate to each other at all do you even economics bruh i even have a college degree (humanities) of course i know how the system works?

YOU GOD DAMN NIGGERS CAN NOT CREATE AN ECONOMIC SYSTEM BASED ON MATERIAL WEALTH WHERE ACUMULATING MANY AND FORTUNE IS THE ENTIRE MEANING OF LIFE, AND EXPECT THAT THERE WILL BE NOT DEEP ECONOMICAL DEVELOPMENT DIFFRENCES BETWEEN NATIONS OR GROUPS OF PEOPLE BECAUSE ONE ALWAYS HAS TO PROFIT OF ONEOTHER AND THIS THINGS RISE EXPONENTIALLY WHEN THE WHOLE ECONOMY BECOMES GLOBAL
do you think it's a coincidence that at a same time 3rd world countries around the world started developing more than ever that economys in larger ones starts declining?

>>14486225
The new slave morality has worked wonders. Atrazine too.
They recently dug up a soldier from Revolutionary times, and his bones were significantly stronger and robust than ours.

Americans have been completely domesticated. Spiritually, morally, and physically compromised.