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14478821 No.14478821 [Reply] [Original]

Has individualism been a cancer to the West? Does the West need to embrace more collectivist values?

>> No.14478827

Yes. People aren't meant to be alone. It is why depression and suicide are so high.

>> No.14478829

God I want to impregnate her
>>14478821
Yes, atomization is a scourge

>> No.14478836

>>14478821
jaein

>> No.14478879

>>14478821
Yes, this is a reason for people thinking they have the right to avoid discussion

>> No.14478892

>>14478821
The west isn't individualistic at all anymore, it's more conformist than China.

>> No.14478898

No. There’s a misconception about the terms of so-called individualism. An individualist need not be a separatist. The sort of person that shuts himself off from the world. A reasonable individualist knows he needs the benefits of a collective but is held back by none of their spooks

>> No.14478919 [DELETED] 

No. Fuck off. Even posting one of your beloved soulless insect “women” is annoying. If you want a little materialist ant hill to bootlick “order” and “the economy” in, move to the east. Don’t bring your sad utilitarian bugfest over here, we have enough issues as is

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>>14478821
As we are speaking of philosophy, we shall mention some of the consequences of individualism in this field, though without entering into every detail: first of all there was the negation of intellectual
intuition and the consequent raising of reason above all else, this purely human and relative faculty being treated as the highest part of the intelligence, or even as coinciding with the whole of the intelligence; this is what constitutes rationalism, whose real founder was Descartes. This limitation of intelligence was however only a first stage; before long, reason itself was increasingly relegated to mainly practical functions, in proportion as applications began to predominate over such sciences as might still have kept a certain speculative character; and Descartes himself was already at heart much more concerned with these practical applications than with pure science.

More than this: individualism inevitably implies naturalism, since all that lies beyond nature is, for that very reason, out of reach of the individual as such; naturalism and the negation of metaphysics are indeed but one and the same thing, and once intellectual intuition is no longer recognized, no metaphysics is any longer possible; but whereas some persist in inventing a 'pseudo-metaphysics' of one kind or another, others-with greater frankness-assert its impossibility; from this has arisen 'relativism' in all its forms, whether it be the 'criticism' of Kant or the 'positivism' of Auguste Comte; and since reason itself is quite relative, and can deal validly only with a domain that is equally relative, it is true to say that 'relativism' is the only logical outcome of rationalism. By this means, however, rationalism was to bring about its own destruction: 'nature' and 'becoming', as we said above, are in reality synonymous; a consistent naturalism can therefore only be one of the 'philosophies of becoming', already mentioned, of which the specifically modern type is evolutionism; it was precisely this that finally turned against rationalism, by accusing reason of being unable to deal adequately, on the one hand, with what is solely change and multiplicity, and, on the other, with the indefinite complexity of sensible phenomena.

>> No.14478986

>>14478919
Stfu, chinky girls are based

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>>14478984
This is in fact the position taken up by one form of evolutionism, namely Bergsonian intuitionism, which in fact is not less individualistic and anti-metaphysical than rationalism itself; indeed, although it is just in its criticism of the latter, it sinks even lower, by appealing to a faculty that is really infra-rational, to a vaguely defined sensory intuition more or less mixed up with imagination, instinct, and sentiment. It is highly significant that there is no longer any question here of 'truth', but only of a 'reality' that is reduced exclusively to the sensible order and conceived as something essentially changing and unstable; with such theories, intelligence is reduced to its lowest part, and reason itself is no longer admitted except insofar as it is applied to fashioning matter for industrial uses. After this there remained but one step: the total denial of intelligence and knowledge altogether and the substitution of 'utility' for 'truth'. This step was pragmatism, to which we have just referred; here we are no longer even in the merely human domain as with rationalism, for the appeal to the 'subconscious', which marks the complete reversal of the normal hierarchy, brings us down in fact to the infra-human. This, in its main outlines, is the course that 'profane' philosophy, left to itself and claiming to limit all knowledge to its own horizon, was bound to tread, and has indeed trodden: as long as there existed a higher knowledge, nothing of this sort could happen, for philosophy was bound at least to respect that of which it was ignorant, but whose existence it could not deny; but when this higher knowledge had disappeared, its negation, already a fact, was soon erected into a theory, and it is from this that all modern philosophy has sprung.

>> No.14480061

>>14478821
I honestly think so. I wouldn’t mind living in a smaller white ethnostate where the government takes a proactive measure to make its citizens embrace virtue. The only downside is that statism attracts degenerates to those positions of power and that the government workers are likely to be all hypocrites. Despite the dystopianism in China how the government covers up violent surpression, no free speech, etc. I can’t help but find the social credit system, and how their government is actually trying to help Chinese incels be productive, as something appealing.

Seems better than the anarchism here in the US where the radical leftists are trying to leverage the corporate estate to oppressive conservatives. I think any statist government, even if it was started by rad leftists, will overtime become inherently conservative due to the very system.

>> No.14480081

Society never advances. It recedes as fast on one side as it gains on the other.

>> No.14480235

>>14478898
Based

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>>14478821
No.