/lit/ - Literature

I've seen this very same thread with this very same picture multiple times over the year. You're just butthurt that you didn't get to score with scene girls when they still existed lmao

>>14408609
>subcultures
>authentic
shiggy diggy

>>14408623
I really miss cute scene chicks. Never got a chance to slam due to being younger, lanky, insufferable and penniless back then. Still good times.

>>14408609
How authentic or inauthentic is 4chan now? I mean there's literally no difference betweens the "memes" on twitter, instagram and 4chan nowadays.

>>14408609
I would have mocked this epic nerd girl geek bait thot a few years ago, but now I just think she looks cute and probs as a snug warm pussy and don't give a shit about the media either way.

>>14408751
most 4chan boards are just reddit mixed with the most extreme idiots on the right or left of the political spectrum, which they cannot let go of nor have a discussion without

>>14408751
It's been played out.

>>14408751
People post less image responses, there's less OC in general. I'm sure if you go to some of the deep subculture boards tho you'll find the impenetrability you're looking for.

>>14408751
It's been inauthentic for a long time.

>>14408931
I can't recognise most of the stuff on the left
kill me

>>14408795
>few years ago
Geek went mainstream since AT LEAST 2012 if not 2008. What are you? A zoomer?

>>14408609
>that anime taste
women, man.

>>14409223
Yes, as in I would have dismissed her a few years ago but now I don't care cause pussy is pussy. Sorry if my opinion on women isn't synchronous with cultural trends I guess?

>>14409239
>Sorry if my opinion on women isn't synchronous with cultural trends I guess?
You should be sorry, you're trying to get on a high horse that hasn't existed for years, possibly a decade.

>>14409314
I honestly think you might be illiterate.

>>14409125
Long cat, W.T Snacks, roll roller da/za warudo/wryyyyyyyy, raptorjesus, le happy negro, pedobear, o reely, emoduck, old anonymous, cockmongler. Yup, those were the days

>>14409223
Oldfag here. Geeks are popular as soon as they are out of high school and in the real world where people are expected to be useful.
Geek went 'mainstream' in the 1990s one could argue. Some would say the 1970s when phone phreaking was hot shit.

>>14409334
I think you are a retard but tell me why only in the last few years you changed your mind when the geek landscape hasn't changed much?

>>14408931
Pepe and wojack have been going on for years now. How?

>>14409417
Outside influence.

>>14408609
If there is anything more vapid and docile than mainstream popular culture, it is subculture. With all these fucking exasperating, superficial attempts to be "counter-culture" they only end up championing the worst aspects of modern culture

The internet killed every subculture I was involved in pre-internet. Mainly punk, hardcore, old video games, Psychedelic drug use.
I can't be sure it's a bad thing. Everything was either exposed as a LARP or a legitimate threat to the participants at the benefit of the few. Only old video games remains relatively unscathed, just the price or everything is absurd.
Punk and hardcore became more exploitable and the mystery was stripped away. Commercialized the underground. Drugs became less mysterious and more like a competition between psychonauts. It became clear drugs have no mystical answers to deliver us
But now we are left with reality, which in my life is miserable. The escapist subcultures were the only things getting me comfortably through the day

>>14409353
fuck me i've been on the internet too fucking long

>>14409423
I never really thought of geek stuff as a counter-culture thing, more like an independent thing.

>>14409432
LOL, how do you get through the day now?

>>14408931
>grug
>soulless
delete this

>>14409423
So all culture is docile and vapid then? If both mainstream and subculture are worthless what’s left? And don’t muh Greeks or Guenon. These are subculture.

>>14409423
4chan, and general digital subcultures, declined once they began to enmesh with mainstream culture. With popularity came corporate influence, normalfags, social media and centralization. Now, the vanity and narcissism of the outside world infects every corner of the web. The digital landscape has also become creatively sterile. 4chan produces nothing interesting anymore.

One more thing on centralization and loss of creativity: Nowadays posts are constant references to content on normalfag media such as instagram, facebook, twatter, reddit. The content of those websites is garbage, so that garbage comes here to be eaten, shat out, and then eaten again.

The internet is shit. 4chan is also shit. moot says it best himself indirectly. https://www.forbes.com/sites/parmyolson/2012/12/18/4chans-moot-laments-the-death-of-internet-culture/

>>14408609

Aka
>I'm getting older and info is harder to separate and I spend all day on the internet making it worse for myself
>d-d-death of individuality! it's the Jews!

In literally two years you will have seen a dozen new subcultures but still not get it

>>14408931
i have been on this web site for roughly twelve years and people have been complaining that 4chan is dead for literally the entire time, i am not exaggerating in the slightest

>>14409917
I wonder if it's even possible to rebel if anything and everything can be commodified? I see people all the time with the extinction rebellion badges while wearing designer sweatshop clothes.

>>14410004
Moots gone. That is the death of 4chan right there.

>>14410007
Oh yeah, that's a common thing. Amazon has a show called The Boys with an anticorporate subtext. The Joker movie too had that wall street rich people or whatever shit and came from Hollywood. There's money to be made from alienation.

I guess one could reject the entire world or a good portion of it with an "ascetic minimalist" lifestyle. That's about it. It used to be that the internet was going to a way of rebelling, but lmao, we now see how that turned out.

>>14410004
To be fair, 4chan has always been experiencing changes in its user base, so it does sort of "die" often.

>>14408623
Who needs scene girls? Goth chick pussy was where it was at. I made goth chicks choke on my dick until they puked. Shit was lit.

>>14409587
>Greeks or Guenon. These are subculture.
No they aren't you idiot. Subculture is a fraction within the dominant culture which expresses itself through consumerism and shallow superficiality like a specific appearance with zero to minimal tangible differences from mainstream culture in ways of thinking.
Subculture is incapable of achieving anything because it simply obsessively compares itself to mainstream culture and revels in juvenile rebellion instead of trying to look beyond the cultural hegemony

>>14408751
if you judge authenticity by "why did this person make this post?" with inauthentic reasons being for karma or likes or clout or internet points of any kind, 4chan excels at avoiding these traps. People post retarded shit on 4chan because they're authentically retarded.

>>14408931
>le pointless anime girl #47328947 you use to spam a single word for no reason
VS
>versatile collection of easy-to-draw faces, each variation is an identifiable archetype and carries a specific emotion and personality, paying an homage to rage faces

>>14410261
Those memes on the left would be photoshopped onto things in numerous and hilarious variations, aimed at poking fun at thing that is not one's self. The right side content is co opting of wojaks and pepes trying to find humor at preying upon generalizations of a person's identity like pop culture horoscope's on buzzfeed.

>>14410095
I was gonna say what about religion but that's obviously stupid to say it's not commodified. (What about Islam?)

>>14409233
B-but i..i thought cowboy bebop was good?!?

>>14409233
What's wrong 90s/80s anime you zoomer cunt?

>>14408751
I started coming here in 2006 and people have been complaining about how shit it is since then.

>>14410389
It's really disingenuous to say 4chan was always shit. And it used to be just /b/ that was "always shit".

>>14408703

>>14408623
>multiple times
Twice.

>>14409917
If Internet culture is dead, then what is the new sub-/counter-culture?

>>14409417
They're low effort, and a lot of retards from reddit copy them, since 4chan saw a massive wave of retards from /r_thedonald. It doesn't help that phone-posting makes it harder to share more than the dozen or so memes-faces you can scroll through before getting bored. There's also just way more people aware of 4chan and on the internet in general, which kills creativity.

>>14411044
That's the sad thing. There really isn't. We're moving away from counter-culture to mono culture, where everyone gets to be 'individual' within small lanes(color change, profile pictures, favorite team, etc.). At best you'll find small mini-chat rooms with hyper-intense circles of meme.

>>14408609
Subculture: The Meaning of Style by Dick Hebdige

subcultures died out, except goth(although hebdige would argue goth isn't a subculture), because they all became a commodity. culture isn't something you purchase, and when it does become that, it dies.

>>14411044
hard to say. as even cities are becoming homogeneous and globalized, it's hard to say where or how any authentic group expressions will manifest themselves

>>14411117
Everything is fake now because there are no consequences to anything. You can believe in anything you like. You can work or you can be black or be a neet. We live in post fact Clown World. Good luck.

>>14411157
retard reactionary take. instead of reacting like a little bitch, do some structural critiques. i heavily advise you read the essay "american civilization" by evola.

>>14408703
This

Basing your identity on consooming is retarded

>>14411231
goth and punk began as a reaction to consumer culture; of course, (((capitalism))) degenerated both.

>>14410235
You’ve just described every person who says “Start with the Greeks” and praises Guenon.

>>14409233
Whats wrong with bebop and trigun you dipshit

Anyone who looks beyond cultural hegemony literally obsessively compares themselves to mainstream culture and revels in juvenile rebellion in a superficial, consumerist way.

>>14408609
Read the white album and slouching towards bethlehem by didion

>>14411100
Yeah that's kinda what I was thinking, pretty much all that's left is small discord groups and the like, my only problem is im not in any and have no idea how to go about finding something like that

>gatekeeping who can and cant like goldeneye

what a faggot. just because youre an old nigger doesnt mean you have the ‘right take’ on it. also not all of us hrew up with modern consoles. im 24 and i spent first 10 years of my life mostly playig n64

>>14408609
>despite the fact that it has aged like milk and is a product of it's time, and they wouldn't actually *know* why it was so fun in it's day
It's still really good, and in some ways is still better than many games today.

Why do I feel this threads bee made in the past with the exact same words and exact same OP picture?

>>14411104
What about gym/fitness culture? That is extremely commoditized, it’s a billion dollar industry no matter what type of fitness you’re into (cardio, lifting, powerlifting, CrossFit, yoga, etc). But would you really argue they’re not cultures? Obviously they’re not as deep or esoteric as other cultures but there are people who live, breathe, eat, and wear that stuff 24/7. Is that not a culture

>>14411462
it could be considered a culture, i reckon, but in the most profane of forms. i haven't read up on hebdige's work in awhile, so i'd have to take a deep dive on it again before commenting too much.

>>14411295
Bebop is okay, trigun is awful

>>14410233
Hardcore, man.
Hard. Core.

Subcultures are for retards who can only have personality vicariously through media

>>14411083
I have literally scrolled through thousands of pictures just to find the right reaction meme

>>14410353
It is good; it's just not niche.

>>14411117
You need to get out into small country towns. Outside of them everything is the same.

>>14411449
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>>14411117
>authentic group expressions
Does not exist, authenticity is never found in aspiring towards social sentiment, including reactions against social sentiment.

>>14408827
What boards do you consider a deep subculture board? Why is /lit/ not one?

>>14412031

>>14412169
/po/

>>14408609
I had a (somewhat autistic) friend who played Goldeneye when he was 13 or so in the year... 2010 or so, and he seemed to like it. I doubt he would be an example of the same kind of faux-reverence for hip old things that you are criticizing. He wasn't the type.

>>14410327
Not wrong.

>>14410261
Fuck off tourist.

>subculture
>dead
It really isn't dead, it just reach a apotheosis were it created a weird subculture of a subculture though.

>>14411157
>post fact
I wouldn't say post-fact more like...facts are malleable now that we have the internet. I've heard two co-workers who seriously believe the Earth is flat.