/lit/ - Literature

Mein Kampf

>>14339785
Mein Kampf

>>14339785
Mein Kampf

>>14339785
mein diary desu, you might know it as "mein kampf"
(i am hitler btw posting from sunny argentina)

>>14339785
Have you ever heard of Mein Kampf?

>>14339785
Paradise lost
Any story where Hercules kills his family

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>>14339794
When the gulags come, you are all fucking getting it.

>>14339785
The Odyssey
Macbeth
Havent read it but I think The Count of Monte Cristo outlines this

>>14339822
would you really kill a fellow socialist, comrade?

I think I’d be more appropriate to read a book about a vanquished, incompetent villain.

>>14339822
The only people that should get it are the intellectuals, ubranites, and their apologists.

>>14339822
It's the sort of response a thread like this deserves t b h.

>>14339857
>t b h
f a g g ot

>>14339785
The Fallen Idol

>>14339785
the left is fucking useless. hang your hats. go home. it's over. We're back to pessimistically brooding over the "future of the left" for the next 100 years before the AI pocalypse wipes us all out.

crime and punishment. sort of

>>14339870
>judging the state of the left by a result of a retarded electoral system

they got 30-odd percent and thats only because the libcucks split the vote, it's just that the british system is fubar.

>>14339886
It was more the perfect storm of what you say, the Brexit party stealing Brexit voters from Labour and everyone hating Jeremy Corbyn

>>14339863
this desu

>>14339822
Actually a super gay left winger, I just have a sense of humor /shrug/

>>14339886
The world we live in is not just a isolated archipelago of nation states anymore. the performance of the left in one part of the west has a direct impact on the performance of the left in another part of the west, in the world.

The same tactics used by liberals and conservatives alike to ensure the defeat of corbyn will work, without fail, in america too. They'll call him an anti semite, they'll split the vote (the liberals are not above this) and then they'll blame it on bernie and say "see? this is was """""""radical left""""""" politics will bring you. four more years of trump. The only way to win is to vote center!!"

and the fucking response of the labour party afterwards. pitiful. everyone is so fixated on boris johnson. Who gives a fuck? your leader is being thrown under the bus by the blairite "left" someone say something. Boris Johnson means nothing in comparison to the neo libs.

We must congratulate Britain on her sweeping rejection of Corbyn's brand of rank antisemitism.

>>14339919
trump and boris johnson are nothing but distractions to renew faith in the globalist, neo lib, centerist, capitalist, whatever the fuck ist system. give them a taste of the alternative and they'll come running back.

You know what's really /lit/-related? The fact that, over and over again in its literature, Britain just does not fucking like Europe. Brexit was always inevitable. The UK has never wanted to be part of Europe. They want to be related to Europe, and they want to have relations with Europe, but they don't want to be PART of Europe. They want to stand at arm's length from Europe.

This is a famous speech by John of Gaunt from Shakespeare's Richard II:

Methinks I am a prophet new inspired
And thus expiring do foretell of him:
His rash fierce blaze of riot cannot last,
For violent fires soon burn out themselves;
Small showers last long, but sudden storms are short;
He tires betimes that spurs too fast betimes;
With eager feeding food doth choke the feeder:
Light vanity, insatiate cormorant,
Consuming means, soon preys upon itself.
This royal throne of kings, this scepter'd isle,
This earth of majesty, this seat of Mars,
This other Eden, demi-paradise,
This fortress built by Nature for herself
Against infection and the hand of war,
This happy breed of men, this little world,
This precious stone set in the silver sea,
Which serves it in the office of a wall,
Or as a moat defensive to a house,
Against the envy of less happier lands,
This blessed plot, this earth, this realm, this England,
This nurse, this teeming womb of royal kings,
Fear'd by their breed and famous by their birth,
Renowned for their deeds as far from home,
For Christian service and true chivalry,
As is the sepulchre in stubborn Jewry,
Of the world's ransom, blessed Mary's Son,
This land of such dear souls, this dear dear land,
Dear for her reputation through the world,
Is now leased out, I die pronouncing it,
Like to a tenement or pelting farm:
England, bound in with the triumphant sea
Whose rocky shore beats back the envious siege
Of watery Neptune, is now bound in with shame,
With inky blots and rotten parchment bonds:
That England, that was wont to conquer others,
Hath made a shameful conquest of itself.
Ah, would the scandal vanish with my life,
How happy then were my ensuing death!

England has never liked Europe.

>>14339919
What do you want them to do? They lost because of Corbyn. Was he smeared by a corrupt media? Yes, of course. But the fact remains that electorate did not like Corbyn and have no appetite for extensive unabashedly socialist policies. Labour can either stand with him and continue down into electoral oblivion disavow Corbyn and try to build a platform that can get them into government.

>>14339951
Well quit fucking around and leave already, I'm sick of hearing bongs talking about it for 3 years.

>>14339951
It's like Churchill said we are
>In Europe but not of it.
We should never have entered the EEC. It was always doomed to failure. We do not have the temperament to work with it. Our disdain for it seems buried in our national DNA. Even all the remainers, who seem so effusive now with their love of what we so tellingly call "the continent," were once mostly indifferent to the EU and it's processes and machinations, their hatred of Brexit born mostly out of liberal fears of racism and economic hardship. There is no ideological love of Europe here.

>>14339919
>bernie
>jewish antisemite
>splitting the vote

the us cant split the vote because their system is even more retarded. Who are the leftists going to vote for? The libertarians? The left is doing just fine in Europe, just because anglos and diet anglos cant handle democracy doesnt decide anything

Fundamental Scottish /lit/ for the coming independent Scottish republic?

>>14339951
>Brexit was always inevitable.
So... what's his plan?

>>14340338
Crashing this Union

>>14340147
>the us cant split the vote because their system is even more retarded

What is the US presidential election of 2000?

>>14340147
>The US electoral system is even more retarded despite having better presidents throughout the years than there have been in the UK.. WTF!

>>14339824
>thinking odysseus fell
begone pseud

>>14339930
WTF I love Corbyn now

>>14340367
>presidents
>uk
>WTF!

jesus christ

also, how the fuck is an undemocratic system based on coke vs pepsi better than any other?

>>14339903
What where the results?

>quotes the Iliad in your path
Truly the most /lit/ party leader

>>14339919
Maybe people just don't want him to destroy the economy.

>>14339907
>/shrug/

>>14339785
Guy had one job
Leading a toupee'd orangutan out of the Circus ring
Instead he chose to put on a clown's costume, ride a tricycle and blow a horn while showering the audience with promises of popcorn
Just when you thought no nation could ever reach the ridiculous depths of Burgerstan, once again, the English refuse to be outdone
Vile scum

>>14339987
Everything you are crying about about it was of British origin, Churchill and Thatcher both.
Rot dead in your ditch you fucking losers

how are our leftypol friends handling this
I stopped going there due to BO faggotry even before that site got shut down
where are they now, bunkerchan?

A nice prelude to the REEEEEEEELECTION.

>>14339822
When the gas chambers come, you are not getting it. I prefer to take the higher ground and spread a positive mindset, I hope you get past this bitter phase and open your heart up to the love that permeates all humanity.

Namaste.

boris is kind of funny though

>>14340565
This is really all that matters
Politics are aesthetics first and foremost

>>14340327
You'll confederate with Ireland in a Gaelic brotherly accord so we can slip you in to the EU
you're welcome

>>14339785
he just wasn't in the right moment at the right time. People want to put an end to this paranoid pre-Brexit phase they've been going through for years. And the best way was by voting for Conservatives.

He wasn't agile enough, that's it. He had such a promising future when he got elected leader of Labour.

Nazi's BTFO once again by the centre-right. Jeremy "Jew Crusher" Corbyn resigned to the dustbin of history where he belongs.

>>14340598
United Ireland too, after this

>>14340629
>he just wasn't in the right moment at the right time
The guy is a buffoon. It's like the first time voting college students thinking Bernie would ever have a chance of being President

>>14340634
>implying borris isn't a jew puppet himself

>>14339785
The novelizations of the Star Wars Prequels.

>>14340537

>a toupee'd orangutan

I wonder how many verses of the Iliad you can recite in Homeric Greek?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQKRAJTgEuo

>>14340961
wow, you must be so smart to remember syllables in a monotone. He is a pretty intelligent guy, but that aint it chief

>>14340961
Rote learning is exactly the level of ability you except from an orangutang

>>14339785
Non-Bong here. Is there a significant difference between the two major parties? Or is it like Democrats and Republicans, where they're pretty much the same shit?

>>14341085
>monotone.

Clearly isn't though

>>14341090

So you're less smart than an orangutang?

>>14341151
Depends. if it were Thatcher vs Corbyn - very different, someone like Tony Blair vs Cameron? Negligible

>>14341159
Smart enough not to waste my time memorizing something that has no use except to impress morons like you

>>14341166

>I could do that too if I wanted I just don't want to

This is always the excuse of the stupid for their ignorance.

>>14341174
remembering has literally nothing to do with intelligence. Arab kids remember the Quran, do you drool at the thought of them?

>You voted for us to be carbon neutral by 2050, and will deliver on that! You also voted to be Corbyn neutral by Christmas, and we will also deliver on that!

Savage bantz

>>14341179

>I'm too smart to start with the Greeks

stay pleb my friend

>>14341151
You're a moron if you think Republicans and Democrats are the same
Trump single-handedly demolished the international reputation the US had built up over the last century
accountability? Respectability? Integrity? Nah
Because America Fuck Yeah! Right?
Johnson is the same ilk

>>14341193
Republicans are a party, not a person you spastic

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>>14339811
Based and, dare I say it, redpilled

>>14341174
The point isn't what I could or could not do
The point is that memorizing verses in whatever language is not a sign of intelligence, or even of learning. The clown has given more than enough demonstrations of his absolute of lack of either, and the fact that you are defending him with a fucking youtube clip of him doing a parlor trick means you can take it up the ass all the coming the term when he will do his very best to fuck you all, and good riddance to you

Mein Kampf

>>14341208

keep posting salt on 4chan while this supposed clown rules the UK with a supermajority

>>14341199
And Trump is their elected leader, they all gave him the nomination, and they are all following his lead in obedient silence. Are you all so fucking the you need everything spelled out ABC
Of course you are

>>14341214
Awww did you get your baby feelings hurt that his party trick wasn't impressive to anyone with an above 80IQ?
I will keep posting, happy that my income and assets will keep rising as they have, while you can all go die in your ditch with Boris the Buffoon

I mean didnt corbyn literally not go to university? Doesnt seem like the anglos had any smart eggs lool

>>14341223

the salt of people like you is my favorite part of any election. can't wait for Trump 2020

>>14341234
You do realize I was mocking Corbyn when you decided to put Johnson on a pedestal, right?
I couldn't care less about your election, I am mocking you

>>14341193
>Trump single-handedly demolished the international reputation the US had built up over the last century
wrong

>>14341215
>and they are all following his lead in obedient silence
wrong

I don't like Trump and I'm not defending him, but politically he's just a standard Republican, a puppet of the party and the ruling elites.
With the possible exception of China tariffs, there's nothing that separates him from any former president.
Unless you only focus on his vulgar tweets and funny statements, but that's just for show.

People are just mad they aren't getting the free shit Corbyn promised. Lazy parasites.

>>14341238

You were mocking both. I merely pointed out the hilarity of your assumed superiority over both men. Fact is that Boris Johnson is an accomplished politician who outshines you in every way, including the one area you might have had him beat, that is knowing the Greeks.

>>14339785
There's a German book you might like, I think it's called Mein Kampf?

>>14339930
Corbyn is the worst antisemite on the planet?
That's disappointing.

>>14341244
Let's see
He says NATO is a bad deal
He abandons other allies to be butchered while pandering to Erdogan and Putin
He abandons diplomatic and economic agreements with a tweet
This causes all US allies to doubt whether the US will actually honor alliances or even agreements
North Korea actually developed a nuclear arsenal while he was busy posting selfies with Kim
He shows the over corruption and indifference of both US politicians and electorate with the whole Russia/Ukraine claptrap
And NO republican will actually stand up for their professed policies, because he promises them tax cuts
This is not normal. Not at all.

>>14341252
You don't know me at all, but you are right, I do hold myself superior to both men, as should anyone with even the slightest integrity

>>14340327
1982, janine

>>14340598
by the time ireland is united its population will be minority irish


why?

>>14341269
All of what you posted is pretty much irrelevant or business as usual for the US. It's not having any significant impact on the world history in the long run. The US role/image is still effectively the same.
You need to turn off the TV and late night shows with their Trump hysteria. They're trying to distract you and shift the focus away from important issues, like the US war mongering attitudes (from both Dems and Reps) or the unwillingness to address demographic issues and so on. Climate change might be one of the few legit issues the mainstream media talks about, but there are bigger ones that they never bring up.

>>14341269
>He says NATO is a bad deal
What's wrong with pointing out that its unfair that nobody is paying their agreed upon share of military expenses?
>He abandons other allies to be butchered while pandering to Erdogan and Putin
You mean Erdogan the NATO ally?
>This causes all US allies to doubt whether the US will actually honor alliances or even agreements
Like how these other allies don't honor the NATO expense agreement?
>North Korea actually developed a nuclear arsenal while he was busy posting selfies with Kim
So far none of the US presidents have found a way to stop NK from working on nukes.

None of this is strange or out of the ordinary for the US.

>>14341269
>He says NATO is a bad deal
Based. Now gtfo our land and let us have our army.
>He abandons other allies to be butchered while pandering to Erdogan and Putin
He has never 'pandered' to them, just shows lower antagonism than usual. I hope you are not referring to k*rds as allies.
>He abandons diplomatic and economic agreements with a tweet
What kind of boomer is troubled by using the internet for public declaration? You actually like those press conferences with flags flying around and the fake preaching tone? I don't mind them on special occasions but it shouldn't be the day to day operation.
>This causes all US allies to doubt whether the US will actually honor alliances or even agreements
This is by far the best part. US support was taken for granted no matter what 'allies' were doing. I say this as a German but how is it a bad thing from a US perspective. That's one of the things I agree with him. You never ever enter negociations without making it clear you can walk away in a second.
>North Korea actually developed a nuclear arsenal while he was busy posting selfies with Kim
There is nothing he can do about it. Being pretend buddy with Kim isn't harming.
>He shows the over corruption and indifference of both US politicians and electorate with the whole Russia/Ukraine claptrap
Based. How is showing the whole show a bad thing? Should be buried behind seven secret authorizations like usual?
>And NO republican will actually stand up for their professed policies, because he promises them tax cuts
This would be based but is not happening.

>>14341269
>He says NATO is a bad deal
Stopped reading right there.
Who gives a shit if he said that. NATO is still a thing. The US military bases all over Europe are still a thing. They're actually expanding in Poland.
Don't be naive, dude. Trump is just a rambling salesman. He bit more than he can chew with the whole presidency thing, but luckily (or not) other people are running the show behind the scenes.

>>14339785
>nooooo the referendum didn't count, people didn't vote, it doesn't represent anything
>boris wins the election
just admit that you hate elections because people don't vote for what you want

>>14339919
>the performance of the left in one part of the west has a direct impact on the performance of the left in another part of the west, in the world
Internationalism that socialists salivate over isn't all that great when it works against you isn't it? Makes you wonder, why promote it at all.

>>14341345
That's the critical bit and not just for the man.
Most people comically overestimate the powers of the US president, of western chief of government in general, and even of elected officials in general. The state is mostly in the hands of the gigantic permanent bureaucracy where only a few public relation positions change with elections.
Only very strong majorities with charismatic leaders can bend effective practice against the tendencies of the middle management types of the public sector.

>>14340565
I always preferred Nigel, Boris comes off as a cunt

>>14341193
I love how people willfully ignore how much hate Trump was getting during the election from the republican party and the moment he gets elected he somehow is supposed represents them.

>>14341252
Imagine being such a cuck that you need to jerk off some politician on the internet to feel good about yourself

>>14341461

Imagine being triggered by it

>>14339785
Faust.

>>14339870
Cool. Good night mutants of spite.

War and Peace

>>14341524
No one here is being triggered by you being a cuck

>>14341552

ok

>>14341314
I believe this will answer your question. Short answer: Spiteful Mutants. Culture is downstream of biology.
https://www.politicalirish.com/threads/what-happened-to-ireland-ed-dutton-the-jolly-heretic-offers-his-own-analysis.33259/

>>14341592
stop posting this cringe pseud

>>14339785
>Hero
Fuck the EU
Fuck niggers
Fuck kikes
and fuck moth janny most of all.

>>14341902
Ironically, the "conservatives" are the ones who want more niggers.

>>14339886
No labour is the problem precisely because it's filled with libcucks
https://www.thefullbrexit.com/why-labour-lost

>>14341921
>>Ironically, the "conservatives" are the ones who want more niggers.
>Labour stay with EU
>Labour have literal trannys in their seats
Suure.

>>14341933
Forgot they also have a stance on complete open borders.

>>14341933
https://twitter.com/Conservatives/status/1205132803035275264

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3630847/More-black-people-allowed-Britain-leave-EU-immigration-non-issue-says-Nigel-Farage.html

>>14340542
I'm not crying retard, learn to read, I don't give a shit about Europe

>>14341955
´>Dailymail
Might aswell post CNN while ur at it faggot.

>>14341362
Climate change, the threat of global nuclear war, etc. You stupid cunt.

>>14342033
Let it go, man.
The """conservatives""" in the US and UK are not your friends. They're basically liberals who promote non-white immigration and want to broadcast how non-racist they are to one-up the SJWs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W65QxnUDVKI

Find an actual nationalist party or make one.

>>14342051

They're a better alternative to the left though, and surely to keep the immigrants out one would want to first leave the EU. This is victory if for that alone.

>>14341921
>>14341933
>>14341938
>>14341955

they all want the same number of niggers, which is infinite.
british politicians want more niggers on this island than there are stars in the sky, fish in the sea and gallons of spunk in your mum's windsock cunt.

Bruh why is the modern west so obsessed with racism, its like our original sin. This shit barely matters to the natives poor people. WHO CARES

>>14342092
Getting cucked is too scary for the hwhite man

>>14342065
>surely to keep the immigrants out one would want to first leave the EU
In theory, it could help. In practice, you'd need politicians with an anti-immigration stance. The "conservatives" are not such politicians.

Leaving the EU could reduce the number of polaks and such, but you'll just get pakis and nogs instead.
Until you switch from the liberal economic system and/or get actual nationalists in power it's not going to change significantly.

>>14342092
uh dont forget the hellacoast sweetie

>>14341193
>the international reputation the US had built up over the last century

holy fuck l*berals are a gas

>>14340545
full blown meltdown and damage control mode

>>14341193
Where the fuck do you liberals come from. What hole did you emerge from, what have you been seeing and hearing since the late 90's?

>>14339907
>super gay
You still get the gulag then

>>14341208
You wish you could recite the Iliad in it’s original glory like based boris

>>14340560
I feel the vibes.

>>14339822
So.. never?

>>14342900
Boris is lit's lad. https://youtu.be/mQKRAJTgEuo

I can't wait for when Trump isn't impeached. Don't get me wrong, I dislike the guy, but I can see the powers at be love him and will continue to ride him until 2024

>>14339822
This doesn't make any sense. Why would you want to put working class people in a Gulag who like a book about a man struggling. The person who is going in the Gulag, is you, comrade.

>>14343155
>until 2024
2028*

>>14343147
Compared to Corbyn who can't even finish Ulysses but still claims it's his favourite book. Truly the patrish vs the pseud.

>>14343208
Corbyn's favourite book is the Ragged Trousered Philanthropists


lets be honest, no one finishes Ulysses

>>14342109
Immigration isn't a problem. It's unfettered immigration that is if they can actually control the boards reduce low skilled workers then it's fine.

>>14339785
What did Jeffery do wrong?
Why is he getting sued?

>>14339822
I'm going to shoot whoever tries to put me in a gulag, until I myself get shot to death.

>>14343217
>https://www.theguardian.com/books/2019/jun/14/jeremy-corbyn-on-joyces-ulysses-dont-beat-yourself-up-if-you-dont-understand-it

> Jeremy Corbyn revealed in a 2016 Mumsnet Q&A that it has long been his favourite novel
>at first he found the book “incomprehensible”.
>he didn’t tackle it from start to finish
>he has read it [...] regularly just dipping into passages.
>don’t beat yourself up if you don’t understand it.

>>14343250
All significant demographic changes are a potential problem.
High skilled Nigerians are arguably worse than low skilled Poles in the long run.

But ideally, you should address both the demographic and cultural issues at the same time and design a sustainable system.
Nationalism alone isn't enough.

>>14343250
hahahahahhahaha

>>14339785
https://youtu.be/5CbxHKSJ5rM
The Book of Chronicles
Salomon was a wise king but he ended up as coomer

>>14343276
yikes

>>14343270

>campaign against the EU since it's creation 40 years ago
>rightly say it was created for bankers
>brexit referendum happens and he refuses to actively campaign for remain
>leave wins
>won't say whether he supports leave or remain
>meanwhile your entire party push for remain
>says you'll respect the vote in your 2015 election pledge
>get so caught up in the tory bad meme that he goes for a very soft brexit
>brexiteers don't trust him because he constantly stopping them from leaving
>remainers don't trust him because he's campaigned against the EU for decades and is stopping any attempt at a remain alliance
>new election comes up
>suggest that if he wins we'll have second referendum of remain-lite vs remain
>spends his time trying to win remain votes whilst his opposition is pro-brexit
>traditional labour voters who largely voted leave feel ignored
>people who literally lost their family members and got pushed into poverty by torys end up voting tory as he was that bad

Couple this with all his anti-west/Britain, pro-terrorist views and unrealistic plan of borrow huge sums of money and raising taxes to cover things that many people didn't care about.

>>14341151
>Is there a significant difference between the two major parties?
Not really, both are still heavily influenced by Blair and his politics.

>>14341418
Even George Will went entirely"It's her turn!"

>>14339785
Mein Kampf

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>>14343345
Real retarded take there retard

>>14343371
There is not much difference between the Tory and Labour party in policy aside from the EU

>>14343371
He's not too far off. Blair moved us to the presidential system we have now where elections focus less on your local representative (like it should) and more on the leader. Also aside from Brexit which is such a polarising issue, is a fairly central and like when he was mayor, will likely come further into the center following Brexit. He only seems right wing because Corbyn was so left but Labour will need to install a centralist themselves if they have any hope of being elected in the future.

2015 was a peak centralist election with Cameron vs Milliband vs Clegg.

>>14343406
I wouldn't describe Boris as a centralist, he is economically and especially a social liberal like most Tories of his generation

>Most left leaning party leader on decades
>Labour are now a party that loses mining towns and wins the richest areas of London

>>14343489
It wasn't really about Corbyn, the working class had been turning against Labour for years before he was leader

>>14343489
The left is now pandering to spoiled city burgeoisie.

>>14343501
>>14343520
I know. It's just crazy what they've become. Abandoning working people to pander to overeducated, underachieving, woke middle-class dissenters.

How do you even deal with them? Neoliberals immigrant policy is about harvesting cheap labour but if you challenge it the left calls you racist, isn't the policy racist? Has capitalism so completely destroyed the family unit, religion, community, the state, etc that the left has nothing to rally against and is now effectively defunct? The left love to destroy that stuff but they can't defend it because it's conservative.

>>14343461
Not currently but when he was Mayor of London he was a lot more in the center than his is now and I think he'll move back. He knows a lot of his votes are borrowed from Labour heart lands and he wants to create a one nation party so he needs to balance the two sides.

>>14343555
>if you challenge it the left calls you racist
It's kinda funny how this is considered a knock out blow in the current year.
And why is nobody in the UK concerned about freedom of speech? They're literally jailing people for mean tweets. Does no politician get outraged over this?
What a cucked country.

>>14343555
How do you even deal with them?
I don't know, I can't see this country ever having the balls to elect a genuine conservative party that will severely reduce immigration and defend family, tradition and religion.

>>14343632
I don't personally consider it a knock out blow, I lost interest in the racist/fascist slander years ago, just a big "whatever" now.

>>14343637
Same, and I can't see a genuine left appearing either. Just slaves to capital forever I guess.

>>14343669
the modern left essentialy serves as reactionary shock troops in service of the neo liberal system, and so keeps real conservative critique against the sytem in check

>>14339930
This shit was always completely ridiculous and hollow
I'm more anti-semitic than Jeremy Corbyn and I'm jewish

>>14343395
Explain how progressive social democracy is the same thing as one nation conservatism

>>14343406
That was nothing to do with Blair (though he made it worse). Nobody has voted with their local representative in mind since universal suffrage. Blame a stupid electorate and mass media.
Boris is centre right and has always been quite obviously centre right despite the constant shrieking from Guardian writers and the Twitterati that he's the second coming of Oswald. However, the Conservatives and the Labour party in their current form are quite obviously not the same party. You are right in saying that this will probably change come next election. Labour is fucked next election regardless.

>>14339957
cringe, they lost because northern and welsh plebs wanted brexit and because retarded virtue signalling liberals wanted to vote for an anti-brexit party. if it was a hung parliament again, there would have been another load of stalemate and we would have ended up with this result eventually

if you think this result has anything to do with actual domestic policies, just ask yourself why boris only ever talked about brexit or scaremongering about corbyn, why sky kept advertising it as "the brexit election". the tories know very well that labour's manifesto policies were wildly popular (outside of the brexit one which was trying to take the middle ground on a highly polarised issue)

the loss would have been even worse with a centrist or remainer. labour were in the worst position for brexit as they were split 2:1 remain:brexit. all other parties were 9:1 in favour of one side or the other.

once brexit is done, and i've been waiting four years for the fucking tories to get it done, people will vote on domestic policies once again and the leftwards demographic shift will continue

>>14339785
don quixote

>>14343963
>and I'm jewish
suddenly everything about tripkikes makes sense

>>14343723
Based and truthpilled

>>14341193
Stop watching the news

>>14344191
You're delusional. The leftwards demographic shift isn't happening and never will happen. You can bray on about how it was all the fault of "muh brexit" 'til the cows come home and then watch at the next election as your unaltered progressive agenda gets thrashed yet again. The individual policies were popular yes but throwing them all together in one manifesto like a child's christmas list was not convincing anyone who wasn't already high off of the Corbynist fumes.

>>14343555
Its almost as if these were always dishonest tools of linguistic warfare.

>>14343406
Johnson made a smart strategic call. He realized that he could win in a landslide if he simply re-ran the Brexit referendum under the guise of a general election. That's because the way Parliament constituencies are structured, even if 5-10% more people vote the equivalent of "Remain" (Lab, LD, Green, SNP, etc) than in 2016, he will still win and improve his majority. Corbyn was boxed in by the liberal elites in London and forced to fall on his sword instead of embracing the North with working-class populism.

>>14339826
That's what socialists do best

>>14344333
Corbyn was really hurt by handling the anti-semitism smear awkwardly and also having an ambiguous stance on brexit. Had he gone full pro-brexit, he would have destroyed Boris.

>>14344333
If Corbyn had embraced Leave he could have well lost votes to the Lib Dems and lost ground in the metropolitan areas. That is exactly what happened in the European Elections and that was Labour's main fear going into this General. Labour was screwed by the irreconcilable divide between it's constituents - metropolitan liberals on one hand and traditional working class on the other. Labour cannot win a General election without these two sides on board but the problem is they both have completely different cultural worldviews.

>>14344196
I'm just using the trip to annoy the real butterfly, I've always posted anon (probably for longer than you've been on this site)

>>14344363
>Corbyn was really hurt by handling the anti-semitism smear awkwardly
I won't deny this smear really stuck and hurt his credibility to a degree but I wouldn't overestimate it's effect. It may have cost him marginals but I doubt many northern voters gave two shits about the jews.

>>14339822
These are the people behind these posts btw

>>14343273
If they come for my guns they can have the ammunition first.

>>14344380
They don't, but the anti-semitism hurt his urban liberal support, while not talking about brexit and instead tryin to push the tired NHS angle also hurt his working class support. The Tories won because they advertised themselves as "we're the party that will solve the brexit debate, so we can all shut up about it and move on". Talk to the average person in the UK about brexit, and the general opinion seems to be that everyone just wants to move on regardless if we leave or not. The Tories took advantage of that. Had Corbyn took advantage of that too, then people might have started to give his economic policies more attention.

>>14344421
Pushing towards pro-brexit would have hurt his support among urban liberals. He was stuck. BoJo and Dom completely outmaneuvered him.

This election was just the correction of lag; The UK political system catching up with a decision made outside of usual decision making apparatus. Should of happened much earlier but there was A LOT of inertia in the system. Took the force of a character like Johnson to break through what May couldn't. NOW we're at square 1. Everything before this point was huff and bluster.

>>14339794
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>>14339811
>XDDDD HITLER!!
Actually try reading mein kampf faggots, it's absolute garbage. Remember that if you don't read it in German you aren't really reading it.

>>14344440
Not him but do you think i was impossible for Jezza to win?

>>14339930

Absolutely shameless propaganda, and most of the country took the bait.

>>14344363
It's hard for me to believe that so-called "antisemitism" is what did Corbyn in among the northern working classes. Jews are only like 0.3% of the British population, and even less as a proportion of the working class north. I mean, come on.

>>14344369
I agree, it was almost an impossible position to be in. Problem is, remainer Tories still voted for Boris. Then he gets the old UKIP vote, most of the Brexit Party voters, and a massive chunk of Labour Leavers. Still, I think there were more votes to be had among the traditional labour heartlands than among the cosmopolitan neolibs in London. Flipping Putney is not really a great consolation prize. Also, losing due to LibDem perfidy would have been a better narrative to deal with for the left going forward, versus ignoring the concerns of your working class base.

>>14340598

Wish o could day Wales would join a Celtic Republic, bit we are to remian England's tumour unfortunately..

>>14344215
sauce on the artwork?

>>14340598
Whatever Mick just unite your dumb fucking island already.

>>14344072
ignore buzzword descriptions and actually compare their policies and actions in government

>>14344457
In these circumstances no. He was fucked. If Brexit had been dealt with beforehand then possibly but he would have struggled. Labour have a bad reputation for poor economic management and Corbynism does nothing to alleviate those concerns of middle england (votes that he needs to win). On top of this his socially progressive pro immigration anti imperialist platform was always going to alienate a huge bulk of the working class even further than they were already.
Corbyn's chief problem was his inability to sell himself and all his policies effectively - there were plenty of smears against him yes but that was unavoidable. The right wing press is the right wing press. You have to fight them and he failed to do that. His party being mostly hostile towards him from day one was an even bigger issue and probably the thing that doomed him.

>>14344486
Explain how the current Tory government's position is the same as the one outlined in the Labour manifesto

>>14344513
explain how it is different

>>14344508
>>14344457
Corbyn was at the back-end of a party that betrayed it's traditional voters by flooding the country with immigrants and ruining working class communities. Doesn't really matter who was in charge the working class were always going to abandon them

>>14344462
>Also, losing due to LibDem perfidy would have been a better narrative to deal with for the left going forward, versus ignoring the concerns of your working class base.
I'm not sure about that. The working class base are not Corbyn's main constituency. The young metropolitan liberals are. There was a time last year when you could feel his base shifting uncomfortably in response to his general Que Sera Sera Brexit position. If he had gone full out and said "fuck it we're leaving," he could well have lost them and those are people he needs not only to get elected but to remain leader of the party. They're his protective wall. I agree that there is something pathetic about Labour losing it's working class base but I get the sense that was always going to happen to some degree. The working class may share (though be somewhat skeptical of the extent of ) his economic views but they are totally opposed to his cultural stance. A party that is pro immigration, anti-imperialist and soft on crime is never going to wash in the North and that is where Labour had found itself irrespective of Brexit.

>>14344515
You are the one making the claim that they are the same. Prove your assertion.

>>14344557
I'm not spoon feeding you, go read for yourself instead of believing slogans

>>14344561
>I can't back up my own points that I totally didn't pull out of my arse
Ok lad.

>>14344591
>I can't read
ironic for the board you're browsing

>>14344550
Why did he make out so well in 2017, then? I totally agree with you on the general toxicity of liberal cultural stances, but what changed from then to now was his wholesale jettisoning of his lifelong euroskepticism in order to make peace with the London-centric neolib PLP establishment. Never compromise with liberals, is the lesson.

>>14344618
>Still deflecting
Interesting. I'll give you some help. What was the Tory position on nationalization of industry? (I'll give you a clue: they are against it). Now compare that to the Labour position on nationalization (here's another hint: it's the opposite of the Tory position). Comparing these two positions, take a moment to consider in what way they are similar.

>>14344621
How much did Corbyn win in 2017, and how much of it was May losing? May was just a fucking awful, inept politician. Boris is lightyears better than her at the actual craft of politics.

>>14339794
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>>14339811
Wtf I t-thought /lit/ was a marxist board... r-read theory...
Don't have any wojaks so you'll just have to imagine one.

>>14344621
May was awful and people have got progressively tired of Corbyism and Momentum as they came to understand it's impact. Everyone in the country wants a conclusion to Brexit be it leave or remain and since 2017 he has sought to hinder both sides to create more uncertainty. Corbyn should never have been a leader his whole stick is being anti everything which can be a useful voice but it's not a policy position.

>>14344621
Labour lost a lot of working class support to UKIP in 2015 and only gained a small amount of it back in 2017 - the rest went to the Tories. He was also up against a very weak prime minister and most crucially didn't actually win the election.
I totally agree that Brexit was the main thing that did it in for him in the North this time but even if Brexit had been resolved, his liberal social view would have still been an issue - perhaps not enough to lose him as many seats as he did last night but certainly enough to deprecate his vote share in key marginals.

>>14344650
It's still 4chan after all

>>14344646
>Boris is lightyears better than her at the actual craft of politics.
you mean hiding in a fridge and dodging andrew neil? yeah, the real difference this time was 1. both brexiters and remaniacs were radicalised and 2. labour backed second referendum. most people hate boris johnson

i'm getting really sick of this trite political 'analysis' of "party wins, leader good. party loses, leader bad". it's not a fucking election for class president. all we need now is LabourFanTV with a bunch of cretins screaming about how the manager needs to be sacked after anything goes badly

>>14344727
this

>>14344646
>How much did Corbyn win in 2017
Corbyn in 2017 broke the record for most gains since the 1940s.

>and how much of it was May losing?
Given the UK has a multi-party system, I think a lot of it was due to Corbyn specifically.

>May was just a fucking awful, inept politician. Boris is lightyears better than her at the actual craft of politics.
Agree completely. But why would working class northerners vote for Corbyn over a third party that better reflected their Brexit stance in 2017? They thought Corbyn was on their side in 2017 but turned against him in 2019 after he appeared to get cucked by the London neolibs.

>>14344661
>Corbyn should never have been a leader his whole stick is being anti everything which can be a useful voice but it's not a policy position.
one of the most brainlet points i have ever seen. the exact opposite of the truth and not even tories make this argument. there were endless policies and the manifesto was extremely popular at both elections. he spent his entire leadership trying to be inclusive and put forward a positive vision. most people said he didn't attack the tories enough, if anything.

>>14340584
this
call me a pleb but all i want out of politics is a gallery of skeksi's shitting on eachother at this point

>>14344826
Antiskeksisism is the worst form of racism, shitlord.

>>14339930
This shit with Corbyn and antisemitism has redpilled me beyond belief. Anyone with a discerning eye can tell this shit has been cooked up to discredit him.

>>14345227
oh....oh anon...I don't know how to tell you this.

>>14345227
>redpilled me beyond belief
What do you mean by that?

>Anyone with a discerning eye can tell this shit has been cooked up to discredit him.
No question. The billionaire liberal capitalists who own the media set their pseudo-"woke" journalists and politicians on a mission to destroy Corbyn along with any possible manifestation of leftwing working-class-oriented economic populism. They've now definitively succeeded in taking down Corbyn, let's see what happens next.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

THE ABSOLUTE STATE OF A*GLOIDS!

>>14345293
isn't the washington examiner a right wing tabloid? I'll be more worried when this shit starts showing up in the NYT (which may very well happen)

>>14345293
Like fucking clockwork. If it works here, it'll work over there.
>>14345303
>What do you mean by that?
It has opened my eyes to their are vested interests who are manipulating information on a mass scale to discredit a man based on his political positions on Israel and our current economic system. I haven't gone full /pol/tard but it seems quite clear that centrists within the Labour Party, ultra Zionists and mass media moguls (as well as their hack lackeys) have conspired together to produce these allegations. There was nary a peep about antisemitism in the media until "somebody" dug up that Naz Shah post and then all of sudden the whole party was leaden with antisemitic feeling. What a fucking joke. If only Ken Livingstone had shut his fucking trap on that radio show Corbyn might have dodged any personal affiliation to this manufactured crisis.

>>14343324

>>14341418
>somehow is supposed represents them.
I think it's pretty obvious that the Republicans fell in line after Trump was elected. And because Trump isn't interested in policy or in governing, the Republicans can use him as a sheath for their own BAU policies.

>>14345474
>I haven't gone full /pol/tard but it seems quite clear that centrists within the Labour Party
Never go full /pol/tard.

Look, it's clear that certain demographics favour certain shit policies, and a disproportionate share of the ruling class are of certain demographics. But resist the urge to "call them out" in ethnic terms. It leads nowhere for the left. Don't give the media establishment an excuse to marginalize you.

>There was nary a peep about antisemitism in the media until...
I get it. Corbyn is obviously not an antisemite. But don't take the bait. Corbyn didn't lose because he was insufficiently sensitive to feminists, Zionists, or whatever the fuck. He lost because the London elite influence-peddlers/lobbyists divided him from his core working-class mission by piling on fringe IdPol bullshit. (Some of us may personally agree not only with Remain but also with certain fringe IpPol stances, but running on them front-forward in a general election campaign is obviously suicidal if you're a working-class party. Run on economic issues, and let the culture evolve on its own. This is how it has always worked in the past.)

>>14345625
>Whatever you do, don't start speaking out the Truth, it won't play well for the Left!

>>14345639
So, you want to say that the ruling class is disproportionately Jewish? It certainly is. But even if it were 100% Jewish, the structural problem remains. Exterminate all Jews ( = the ruling class, by the given counterfactual supposition), and the most greedy of gentiles will rush to fill their place within hours. The problem is not an ethnic one.

>>14345625
>Look, it's clear that certain demographics favour certain shit policies, and a disproportionate share of the ruling class are of certain demographics. But resist the urge to "call them out" in ethnic terms. It leads nowhere for the left. Don't give the media establishment an excuse to marginalize you.
I don't really know what you're on about here. There is no demographical issue here around the Jews. Most British Jews were hoodwinked into believing the antisemitic conspiracy as anyone else. The issue is the Zionists deflecting any criticism whatsoever of Israel as conflating their political ideology with the Jewish ethnicity. I'd agree that there is no point in going on about it in public because it'll just be Corbyn all over again but I'm not in public so whatever.
>He lost because the London elite influence-peddlers/lobbyists divided him from his core working-class mission by piling on fringe IdPol bullshit.
If you think Corbyn isn't a dyed in the wool social progressive who hasn't totally jugged the IdPol kool-aid, you're blind. He lost because of Brexit, as well as the the lack of engagement the PLP early in his leadership, the extensive media smears and ultimately, if we're being honest, his own general ineptitude in selling himself well and navigating all these obstacles.

>>14345728
>I don't really know what you're on about here.
Your use of the term "redpilled" suggested to me you were headed in a /pol/-oriented race-based direction, and I just wanted to express that there are alternatives. Sounds like that admonition was not necessary, my apologies.

>If you think Corbyn isn't a dyed in the wool social progressive who hasn't totally jugged the IdPol kool-aid, you're blind.
Sure, he is undoubtedly a social progressive, and certain anti-imperialist positions he took during his decades as a backbencher did not particularly help him in terms of electability when reflected through the prism of the rightwing tabloid press (and neolib broadsheet press). Still, his 2017 performance is undeniable.

>>14345684
You yourself may be capable of some honesty on this issue but it's your comrades on the left who will wildly gaslight and smear anyone who speaks up about this reality, even calling for state repression up to and including shit like Soviet style punitive psychiatry ("take your meds schizo"). It's this behavior that constitutes a major part of the wake up call. And it's ordinary leftists on the ground doing this of their own volition. How do you explain this? Am I really to take your claim seriously that they are all just being puppeteered by Capitalist interests marshalling "idpol" to disunify the working class? Your fellow lefties would find this arrogant, insulting, reactionary. It's a kind of dogmatic historical materialist autism that isn't generally taken seriously any more for a reason.

>>14345880
You sound American.

>>14345903
well I'm not FYI, I'm just on a long search for an explanation for this situation that's more deep and satisfying than the internet marxist party line that porkie's just whipped up false consciousness to splinter us. you act all haughty and intellectual but what you offer is just as one sided and dumb as the cultural marxist conspiracy theory.

>>14345953
>well I'm not FYI
I accused you of being American because you seem to conflate the left with our nemesis the liberal. Are you British? Describe your 'demographic profile' in as vague a way as you feel comfortable.

>>14344451
Mein Kampf is really good though.

>>14346020
I'm Anglosphere. I'm not really interested in your semantical game trying to reclaim the word "left" from these people, by labelling them all recuperated liberals when many are at least somewhat illiberal and even open communists. If all you've got to show for that superior erudition is that it's a porky conspiracy programming everyone into segmented false consciousnesses and that's why the average leftie on the street will try destroy you for simply speaking the truth about the ruling class, you're no better than a common /pol/tard.

>>14339907
>/shrug/
yeah ur gay but not in the way you think

>>14346070
You're not one of our convicts are you?

>>14339870
Oh god how I wish that would be true

>>14346098
how could u tell ;^)

>>14346107
Your retarded views was the real clincher

>>14346115
As I'm not seeing any arguments I'm forced to speculate. Perhaps learned helplessness is your ilk's problem, or simple cowardice. In any case you're dishonest about it.

>>14339785
My book

>>14346070
>I'm Anglosphere.
Fair enough, you brazen bogan cunt. :P

>I'm not really interested in your semantical game trying to reclaim the word "left" from these people, by labelling them all recuperated liberals when many are at least somewhat illiberal and even open communists.
Not 100% following that sentence, mate. Quick refresher: the question on hand is working-class economic interests vs elite liberal cultural interests.

>If all you've got to show for that superior erudition is that it's a porky conspiracy programming everyone into segmented false consciousnesses
Well, that's some of it...

>and that's why the average leftie on the street will try destroy you for simply speaking the truth about the ruling class
Woah, lost me here. IdPolers are poison, but ... wha?

>you're no better than a common /pol/tard.
"No".

>>14346215
>Quick refresher: the question on hand is working-class economic interests vs elite liberal cultural interests.
You True Marxist are always bitching about use of the word "leftist" like you are entitled to exclusive ownership over it. I'm saying who cares.
>Well, that's some of it...
What's the rest of it then?
>Woah, lost me here. IdPolers are poison, but ... wha?
Try follow the thread. Pic related. They dunked all over your boy and you won't dare say jack shit about it.

>Working class
>Elite
Is this the new trend for retards in 4chan? Is this how you are going to cope now for not having a girlfriend?

>>14339785
>ask about heroes
>post a pic of a leftist traitor crook responsible for the party failure of the century

I bet you imagine yourself sucking his minuscule cock and licking his wrinkly balls

>>14346246
>like you are entitled to exclusive ownership over it
I don't care what label you put to it, but there are at *least* 2 dimensions involved. One is focused on ensuring that working people receive the economic fruits of their labour ( = THE LEFT), and the other is focused on defending cultural underdog causes like feminism, multiculturalism, transwhateverism etc ( = LIBERALS). If you prefer different terms, let me know what they are and I'll go with it.

>They dunked all over your boy and you won't dare say jack shit about it.
They did, but I've been say a lot more than jack shit throughout this thread.

>>14346299
>traitor crook
What do you mean?

>>14346307
>Marxist and anarcha feminists and Frantz Fanon and so on are nothing but liberals because they're not class reductionist
>all those twitter communists? Liberals. Everyone's a porkiebot LARPer except for me.
It gets ridiculous quickly. Who do you think's buying this shit?
>They did, but I've been say a lot more than jack shit throughout this thread.
Well, elaborate on your theory then. It's the boilerplate argument from you guys so you surely should have the details filled in by now.

>>14346338
>Marxist and anarcha feminists and Frantz Fanon
I don't know what any of that means. Are you wealthy as in living comfortably off interest and dividends since birth?

was he, dare I say it? /ourguy/?

>>14346369
I know about class interest and all that shit. I guess you can't understand what I was on about before because you've never experienced it first hand which is interesting because you yourself are supposedly going against the grain by trivializing PoC, women and queer struggles as mere liberal distractions. There's something not quite right about the modern left though, Real Marxists(tm) like you included, and I'll get to the bottom of that if it's the last thing I do.

>>14346405
>I guess you can't understand what I was on about before because you've never experienced it first hand
Sounds like you have something to say about your lived experienced in Australia as a (____) that I don't understand.

>which is interesting because you yourself are supposedly going against the grain by trivializing PoC, women and queer struggles as mere liberal distractions.
Have I?

>There's something not quite right about the modern left though, Real Marxists(tm) like you included, and I'll get to the bottom of that if it's the last thing I do.
Go on, Copernicus.

>>14339919
ideas are forces stronger than individuals and their petty schemes or disagreements. The left as it is now lost because it is wrong. It's outdated, wrong contextually and wrong conceptually about the state of the world as it stands today wrt technology and demography.

Climate change self rightoussness and milquetoast social welfare policies do very little in reality to assuage the anger and pain of the working classes of the developed world.

>>14339785
The Elric Saga

>>14339785

>>14341193
>Trump single-handedly demolished the international reputation the US had built up over the last century
If that were indeed the case you should've been happy for it
Fucking kek
Americans are so oblivious

>>14341933
niggers don't come from the EU

>>14341193
>Trump single-handedly demolished the international reputation the US had built up over the last century
wew

>>14344745
His manifesto wasn't popular because no one believed it was realistic. He doesn't understand the working class mindset because he and his followers come from the entitled middle classes that expect everything to be given to them and get angry when it isn't. Working class people on the whole value hard work and see that as the way to provide for their families (and look down on wasters of society). Since nothing has ever been given to them, they are suspicious of free things, particularly at the drastic level that he was claiming and didn't believe they would not have to pay for it some way or another. Those of the younger middle classes have lived on easy mode and thus to them free things are common and expected (by free I mean for themselves like kids who's parents buy them cars and don't see it as special). This is the major disconnect from people caught in the his bubble.

To pull in the working classes you need to respect hard work and not try to nationalise many industries that would impact them. You need to show that you highly value small businesses and entrepreneurship (particularly trade skills) and finally you need to set an attack on rich people that don't work hard to get their lives.

>>14345227
His antisemitism is just a continuation of his anti-imperialist bias. He was just caught up in the west bad meme that he was against Israel as it represented the west. I have never seen him criticise anything on the 'other side' even when they commit worse atrocities than Israel, such as China who literally have muslim forced labour camps.

>>14349533
>what are forced refugee quotas
>what are state-accepted smuggling rings
Thanks god for the channel is all I can say.

>>14339785
>leftypol on suicide watch
lmao get fucked

>>14340327
you're delusional if you think Scotland's going independent.

>>14341408
Will he be staying on at LBC?

Any leader of any party that isn't an economic liberal will be totally destroyed by the media, they made Ed Miliband look like Stalin for fucks sake. It's neoliberalism from now until death.

>>14349931
>His antisemitism
His Anti-zionism, that's the point. Apart from that you're right, he suffers heavily from a bad case of Chomsky syndrome.

>>14349902
The only way forward for Labour right now is Blue Labour. The next leader also needs to read some fucking Lasch

>>14350019
We need a leader who cannot be smeared - either one without much fault or one without any shame.

>>14349902
People who vote based on the manifesto/policies are an extreme minority of voters (regardless of class). The election was all about brexit and their position is what lost them the working class.

Star Wars

>>14347809
>The left as it is now lost because it is wrong. It's outdated, wrong contextually and wrong conceptually about the state of the world as it stands today wrt technology and demography.

Care to elaborate?

They lost because of Brexit, which is just a further sign of his disconnect from the working classes - I think at the end he actually believed the remainer meme of leave voters being stupid and regretful. But the reason the loss was so bad was due to him and his politics.

The northern working class are complaining about being left behind, London always being put first and are concerned about immigration and there's him talking about nationalising broadband (who cares for a start but also there are lots of self employed people doing the fitting), energy (again not a pressing issue), royal mail (would be nice as a pride thing but who cares, post still works), rail (with no talk of actually improving the northern lines) and investing in the NHS (good but Boris did too). On top of that he is not patriotic and is seen to support terrorists with a weak stance on crime. Many voted against him rather than for him because he didn't listen, he took them for granted.

>>14339824
Count of monte cristo is a revenge story. The hero falls and then rises to become stronger.

>>14350672
You have no idea what you're talking about

>>14351579
>The hero falls
so it fits

>>14341193
Before Trump? a 16 year shitstain of a war brought on by a few Neocon who totally took control of the Ameican war machine and sent men to die in the desert for a delusional cult.

Add to that the Gulf war, Vietnam and agent orange, Korean war, and to top it all of the Confederate war that totally destoryed Democracy and created the worst shittiest empire to ever exist.

Trump is nothing compared to the average America, city living, cape shit worshiping, trekkie, sugarcoffee drinking, commy worshiping Libtard, the only generation to fight FOR big business and international capital in the biggest gaslighted group in the world Antifag.

>They can't afford nurseries
>They can't afford their monthly shopping budget
>They can't afford their phone bills
>They can't afford feul to their daily commute to work

Yet these people, these EXACT same people who swear their financial short comings are the fault of "DA EVIL TORIES", when the issue is they are probably just thick and can't budget properly. These are the exact same people you see sitting in Weatherspoons, day after day, drowning pint after pint, while talking to their mates who are meant to be knee deep in debt the latest episode of reality trash like I'm a Celebrity or Love Island they watched last night on their massive 60 inch plasma TV screens while virtue signaling on the brand new iphone model they just bought how much they are saving the planet by switching to a Vegan diet while spouting they are helping poor farmers in South America buying avocados as they get ready to order the next round of pints using the brand new Weatherspoons app because they are too lazy to walk a minute to the bar from their table.

>>14339785
Mein Kampf (but unironically)

>>14353513
God bless us Americans...

>>14351583
I grew up on a council estate but please tell me the plight of the working class. It's always good to have the met elites and middle class commies to inform us of our struggle since we're too stupid to understand and vote correctly.

>>14353647
So many Labourites ive spoken to seem to know English history better than me, and all the facts I know have been "debunked" Labourites are now having a discussion about how much England owes the world for colonialism.
And they believe any Native would listen to them and take them seriously

Sharing a story I wrote a few days ago

Meanwhile in the United Cuckdom, a group of radicals with Spoon permits had taken over a number of police stations and had obtained anti-spoon gear they could use to defend the parts of road that weren’t potholes. The U.C.s government sent their one aircraft carrier to subdue the village but it lacked a liscence to kill and so remained anchored at Port Cuck where it was quickly stripped down of all its metal by Doctors, Scientists and Engineers.

Prime Minister Netan Yahoo! Ordered the U.C. Army to subdue the Racist, Facist, Evil Nazis who sought to overthrow the Only Democratic Nation in the Middle East ™. However the shipment of Tactical Spoons they have proquired through the Mexican Onions Backmarket allowed the biligerants to avoid detection and stop Anti-Facists from putting down the rebellion against International Vulture Capital.

As this was going on the True Britons of England had started their morning prayer to the Black Cube in the middle East, and so all the Roads were blocked making tactical reinforcement near impossible. Typically the Army would fill in potholes so their tanks could use their highways, and unfill them when they had passed, but due to the morning prayer this made the tactic almost impossible.

When negotiators were sent in it was found that the biligerants were angry at the exploding Pigeon population that had continued to grow at an unprecidated rate, Pigeons dominated every city centre and were enough to change voting demographics. People wanted the Pigeons to be send back to where they came from, but the Government found this to be a racist request as Pidgeons also paid taxes and were willing to do the Jobs natives weren’t willing to do, they offered food that we couldn’t get from anywhere else. Pidgeons were the new face of Britain, and the biligerants would just have to accept it as the new normal, part and parcel of living in a vibrant, LGBTP, multi-species, international town like Swansea. .

You should be happy that the most /lit/ candidate won

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2k448JqQyj8

>>14353680
Same energy

>>14350649
the modern "radical" political left of today is strangely enough, completley divorced of the radical political left of the 60s or 80s. Debord, Baudrillard, Deleuze, Derrida, etc were all completely right about pretty much everything but the left of today totally ignores their lessons and backtracks to a weird christian-marxist conception of morality and economics (materialism) with only vague rhetoric of the old postmodern left as cover. The left as it is now is basically where the right was around the 40s.

The right, meanwhile was brilliantly co oped the postmodern left's theories and prescriptions to its own cause. In the Spectacle, yes economic conditions are still a factor but increasingly so is identity and Image. The right doesnt pay lip service to "minorities" or "oppressed people", it indirectly but strongly casts itself as the champion of its own newly becoming-minority group (white people) in the context of increasing and intesnifying urbanization, globalized new media. Immigration is the scapegoat but Immigration angst is largely just the cover for the larger shifts at play and gets magnified.

its hegelian and its obvious that it would happen. The Intelligence Agencies probably did or did not stunt the growth of these ideas within the Western Left, but that doesnt mean they wouldnt come up eventually. They had to. They are historical forces. If it didnt come up in the left, it would come from the Right. And they would prevail not because of people but because they are simply correct in their time and place.

many more factors at play here obviously, in general capital's flattening of everything and nationalism melding with Identity to become something else. too much to write

>>14353647
You're a lumpen, your worldview is warped

>>14339785
The Death of King Arthur.
The quest for the holy Grail also deals with the fall of two heroes.

>>14341193
>Trump single-handedly demolished the international reputation the US had built up over the last century
pure american cope

The working class does not want socialist reform, it is the workers who are most addicted to consumption and consumerism. The dream is dead, corporatism has won.

>>14355081

This explains this mindset well >>14353544

>>14344191
As an actual working class person, you're a retard. Only about half of Labour's policies were actually stomachable for the the working class independent of Brexit.

>>14353544
Mate most of the people in weatherspoons are too old to give a shit about half the things you mentioned.

>>14355081
Paternalism really is the only way forward. The working class don't want liberation they want leading.

>>14344391
>posting pictures of butterfly
Careful. Jannies may ban you for that.

>>14355933
Not by pencil necked arseholes like you.

>>14340450
looking up to some rich oxford prig because he can quote classics. very, very cool!

>>14341193
republicans and democrats are the same. no true republican or democrat would ever disavow the corporate interests that line their pockets and get them reelected. the democractic party shifted significantly right in the 90's thanks to clinton, thus pushing the GOP towards the more extreme end of the spectrum it resides in today.

dont think the dems and r's are beholden to the same interests? register to vote as in independent and see how much of a chore casting a vote on voting day becomes

>>14345293
Right on time

>>14356093
No by fat toffs like Boris Johnson

As things get worse due to fascists coming to power more people will be irrational and emotionally charged with fear to keep choosing the same fascists as a promise (but never one kept) of a false safety. Easily duped and propagandised to they will fall prey to the charlatans that will only ever take advantage of them. It's a weird Stockholm Syndrome.

Healthcare, transportation, education, etc. Question how the money will come. Yet, pump money into defence or private hands then it's freely given with not an inquiry raised by the masses who are being stolen from. Sad.

>>14341193
This is a very burger post.

>>14356238

How many books have you written and/or published? I bet you haven't even read Homer. If you want to overthrow the ruling class start by educating your sorry ass. Put some fucking work in and maybe one day people will look up to you too, and you might actually instigate some change.
Or just keep posting salty comments here while people like Boris Johnson steer the course of this world.

>>14356366
>As things get worse due to fascists coming to power

who are these fascists you speak of and where are they coming into power?

>>14339785
Death of a Salesman.

>>14341269
>He abandons other allies to be butchered while pandering to Erdogan and Putin
Ergodan is our ally. The Kurds are allies to nothing but anarchy.

>>14339785
>Imagine one party achieving legislative majority with 36.9% of the popular vote (2015).
>Imagine that same party call a retarded plebicite which they lose and then fail to implement for three years and the blebs are very displeased with this and 3 and a half years later they get legislative majority again
>Imagine The UK

>>14357267
shut up your turk cunt

>>14353665
Fucking lol I hate this country please end it all soon

boris johnson is a blairite you fakin plonkers

>>14359339
this guy gets it


read peter hitchens

>>14343395
Brexit is a policy that fell out of hell and into the Tory lap, neither party actually wanted it.

Lmao why are leftoids so fucking easy to fracture with idpol shit

>>14359445
Boris himself seems to be supporting Brexit simply to keep up a promise he made while he was drunk. Considering the things he actually stands for, I really don't understand how he can be anti-EU

>>14353944
Good post thank you.

> nationalism melding with Identity to become something else.

Do you have anything to expand on this? A link to something?

>>14358400
I’m not particularly fond of the Turks as far as our allies go (they’re still better than the Israelis and Saudis, but that doesn’t say much.), but as a statist entity they are capable of of being an ally to us in some way. The people who care about the Kurds don’t actually care about the US. They merely want to see us use our resources to support communists and anarchists internationally.

bumping for a reply to >>14359602

>>14339855
Why whenever modern China does something, it’s the worst version of it?

>>14340341
With no survivors

>>14350672
The main problem with the nhs isn't lack of money anyway, its the less than efficient leadership and over use causing it to haemorrhage money left and right.
Fucking "advisors" costing millions in years for their salaries.

>>14359943
Yep, China's attempts to handle the problem of intellectuals may have been well-meaning, but their good will caused them to fail. Cambodia had the better plan when it came down to it.