/lit/ - Literature

So the TJ part is basically sociopathy?

>>14335827
Yes. Meanwhile INFPs are real human beans.

>>14335820
based perceivers

hardworking

gay

>>14335820
Everytime I do this test I get a different result, "I" being the only constant

>>14335820
19th century british colonials desu

tfw infp

>>14335820
Invert the income chart.

>mfw intp making 140k/year with tons of future growth potential

Honestly, I'm not surprised that intp are on average useless, because the only reason I don't get fired is because I am exceptionally skilled in my field.

>>14336630
Then stop giving different answers fucktard

>>14338644
Kek. Imagine not having a stable sense of self and blaming it on the test.

horoscope for bugpeople

>>14337900
whats the field?

here's a tip: just say it next time. otherwise your comment is literally meaningless to everyone

>>14338763
>INTP
>140k
Most probably a code monkey.

>>14338708
>bugpeople
>butterfly
sure

>>14335820
>INTP somehow less than INFP
I'm convinced that the answers which would identify an INTP happen to coincide with those given by lazy retards. Aren't INTPs supposed to be the highest IQ type? Then why are they all over /r9k/ and /pol/?

>>14338830
I would guess that most of those "INTPs" on pol and r9k are just mistypes, probably sensors, but I have a friend who is INTP and a talented artist, but is very lazy/demotivated. He seems to frequently get stuck in long periods where he does nothing but consuming movies, TV, video games, and occasionally books.

>>14335860
Pretty much, infps are like emotional savants, autism and all.

>>14335820
>tfw ISTP and poor
what are ISTP even supposed to be good at? all i like doing is reading scifi and fixing normies' computers but that stuff doesn't pay well.

>>14338983
You're not specialized enough and don't understand marketing.

>>14338983
They are supposed to be warriors like Ajax and Achillies.

>>14338830
>smart people work less
makes ya think

>>14338995
>marketing
gay af, no thanks. i'd rather be poor than homosexual.

>>14335820
ENTP Masterrace of course.

>>14339021
You’re nothing but a mouthpiece for smarter and funnier types. Still, you can be thankful you’re not a sensing type.

>>14338830
>>14338850
>because intp is a personality type found more often in intelligent people means intelligence coincides strictly with type and all Intps mustbe intelligent
Retards.

>>14337900
>another relatively successful INTP here
same desu
if people weren't dependent on me they wouldn't put up with me, it's fun to abuse that privilege.
can't blame em desu

>>14339030
>You’re nothing but a mouthpiece for smarter and funnier types
Sounds like jealousy to me anon, and who would be funnier? the feelers or autist intp? And who would be more intelligent than the most creative type?

You lack the intelligence to see that this does not coincide strictly with intelligence.

>>14339148
You're probably correct, but do you know what INTP stands for? The N stands for Intuition, which, in essence, describes creativity. The T stands for Thinking, which specifically refers to logical thinking. By definition, INTP is a creative person highly adept at using logic. The type doesn't just correlate with intelligence, it describes it.

>>14337900

>>14336630
you shouldn't use the test to type. it's inaccurate. use the cognitive functions instead

>>14339176
>The type doesn't just correlate with intelligence, it describes it.
Anon I say this nicely but you're legit retarded.
>other types have less of what intelligence is rather than a lower form of it
This is what you're saying.

I’m a trash infp kmn may as well never procreate and just kms rn cya chanchan

>>14339207
>Anon I say this nicely but you're legit retarded.
I agreed with you on this in my last post. I bear my retardation with pride!
>other types have less of what intelligence is rather than a lower form of it
According to the theory these are functions to be cultivated. Meaning that, for example, the INTP has Introverted Thinking as his most developed function, and Extroverted Intuition as his second. This is inherent in the theory, which you may accept or reject (frankly I don't care), but you can't say MBTI doesn't imply this and still be correct.

>>14339169
I’m an infp so I don’t think I lack any of those traits, I’m a smarter, more empathetic entp that doesn’t feel the need to waste time impressing ppl.

>>14339169
Sounds like trying too hard due to incontinence rip

>infp
>can't stop daydreaming about what i could have done differently when i was young, about the embrace of a woman, or how i should have taken things seriously,
>just failed all my classes again

>>14339245
Based INFP. I am an INTJ. Become my wife.

>>14339281
it's a me
anonio

>>14338830
intp does not mean intelligence at all, it just means excessive obsession, social spaghetti, autism, and general unproductivity
t. friend of intp who explained to me why he isnt smart

>>14339235
>I agreed with you on this in my last post. I bear my retardation with pride!
>definition of intelligence
>According to the theory these are functions to be cultivated. Meaning that, for example, the INTP has Introverted Thinking as his most developed function, and Extroverted Intuition as his second. This is inherent in the theory, which you may accept or reject (frankly I don't care), but you can't say MBTI doesn't imply this and still be correct.
I wasn't talking about that however you're still wrong, the original mbti stresses the equality of all functions, that is in ultimate value and not individual priority. I honestly prefer Jung's original typology however.

>>14339284
>tfw infp male

>INTP second to last in monies
BUT I AM THE PHILOSOPHER KING YOU MICROENCEPHALITICS

>>14339257
>a basic sentence is trying

Any other Pisces INFPs in here?

>>14339332
>BUT I AM THE PHILOSOPHER KING YOU MICROENCEPHALITICS
No that would be the Entp Socrates.

>>14339342
Entps are great arguers but they’re pretty awful at coming up with something original.

>>14339337
Stay mad bby it’s ok, you don’t have to try here

>>14339345
Unironically Socrates seemed to just wanted to prove people wrong instead of proposing something new. Not that it's a bad thing, and actually I think philosophy needed it at the time.

>>14339356
I feel like entps have all the logical fallacies memorized and get pleasure from tearing rhetorical arguments to micro errors. Entps are good at debating and calling out bullshit, but if I want to read about philosophical ideas I’ll take an INTP’s essay and an INFP’s novel over any Ben Shapiro rhetoric lawyer.

>>14339289
But then there’s Einstein who was socially mindless, but very charismatic. You sure these isn’t behaviour that intps are prone to and maybe not the reason why they can’t be smart?

>>14339345
>>14339356
Entps are literally the most creative type, primary Ne. Socrates has lead Western thought for over two thousand years, he also supplied the philosophical basis for Plato so he did create his own philosophy and not just btfo other people.

Alexander the Great created one of the largest Empires in existence and joined the East and West.

>>14339347
I think you forget that rhetoric is second nature to us, it's only difficult for autists like you.

>>14339372
I think lowering all ENTPs to the level of Shapiro isn't fair. Philosophy needs ENTP's criticism as much as INTP's construction in order to progress. Socrates is a great example of this. If he had merely posited more speculative theories like the rest of Presocratics then Plato wouldn't have thought of epistemic problems and Philosophy would have remained where it was.

But also please don't forget INTJs.They can be great philosophers and artists too.
>t. INTJ

>>14339396
I tend to neglect the Js as I’m a perceived, what famous philosophers/authors were intjs?

>>14339392
intp and infp are auxiliary Ne, I think they’re seen as less creative because typically they’re in a cave away from people when they create something great.

>>14339402
I believe Schopenhauer and Nietzsche were INTJs.

>>14339372
>>14339396
We don't memorise them, we identify and create them on the spot. I don't think you realise how fast our minds are working when in that creative spirit, so many possible ideas and routes etc. And don't compare us to that xNTJ Shapiro, he actually sucks at debating but memorises talking points and only debates retards and not chad ENTPs like Nick Fuentes or myself.

And don't forget, us ENTPs may be the greatest rationalists and deconstructors howevet we have a creative value to rival the INTP, Da Vinci as example.

>>14335827
sociopaths are usually poor

>>14339405
That's what I mean, they're literally less creative because their creativity is auxiliary.

>>14339410
>Schopenhauer
Intp.

>>14339415
You don't need to qualify yourself here, dear ENTP anon. I was arguing in your favor.

It's good being an ENTP.

>>14339421
>>14339392
>>14339396
I think you're taking this meme test a bit too seriously

>>14339415
I wasn’t being literal when I said you memorize them, it’s an intuitive thing I’d assume, intps can do this as well, but they’re awful debater as they get too side tracked. Personally, I don’t think creativity is a marker in these tests, I think each type has their strengths and is therefore inclined to be creative in that niche area.

>>14339421
>>Schopenhauer
>Intp.
Why do you think so? True that he demonstrates Ti, but he also possessed a great Ni that that no INTP has anything like it. Compare him to Kant's autism and you'll see what I mean.

>>14339424
>incapacity for love
>Using it to describe an entire type
>bragging about critical thinking skills

>>14339423
Yeah sorry for writing quality, usually mine is eloquent but I'm typing on a screen keyboard and I'm loosing interest so this is feeling more like a chore. I need to do something I'm interests in to deflate my mind a bit and gather my thoughts so goodbye for now.

>>14339452
This is what I mean when I say I’m glad I don’t feel the need to impress ppl

>>14339433
fuckoff haha jk enjoy yourself.

>>14339452
>usually mine is eloquent
You are qualifying yourself again. It just conveys insecurity! If you're the ENTP Chad that all of the nature's creation must be envious of, why then do you feel the need to qualify yourself in every other sentence you write?

>>14339421
But the auxiliary means it’s their second most used function, making them just as innately creative, but filtered through a subjective experience, there’s a reason why unique thinkers are remembered more than witty conversationalists, there’s more permanence.

>>14339435
true enough with the unique types of creativity however having the creative function itself prominent makes one in a general sense, more creative.

>>14339459
Why do you think I feel that?

In all honesty though, Entps are in a weird place where they care nothing about what another thinks but still want it. It comes out unconsciously sometimes as you just saw, as it is something we like. What's your equivalent?

>>14339472
To explain my possible lack of expression to others while in this state, so I am explaining it. You're projecting your own introverted insecurity's.

>>14339481
No that's just fucking wrong. It is auxiliary because it has less importance and power.

>>14339501
Hahaha. Sure anon, I believe you.

>>14339509
You annoy me greatly.

This is the Entp character while on edge, not an insecurity.

>>14339518
Hahahaha. I said I believed you anon, what's the matter?

>>14339493
I’d have to agree that every type seeks validation from a different avenue. As an infp, I think we tend to posture our interests/morals and can come off as supercilious. Earnestly pretentious is how I’d word it, we’re not trying to impress you with the books we’re reading, but what we think about them.

Enfps are the brand of pretentious that gets a literary tattoo, whereas an infp is the one that’s actively recommending poetry collections to you.

>>14339518
If you’re not insecure, but you get overly defensive while on edge then you’re over compensating.

>>14339536
Do you know by chance that of the INTJs? I might be wrong, but I don't think I've sought validation from the outside, but I have self imposed ideals that if I don't live up to I get very depressed. Perhaps it's related to INTJs' Ni and Fi?

>>14339508
Less important than the primary function, that’s self-evident, yet it’s still represented in the personality make up and is therefore more present than in other types that don’t list it as a function.

You’re wrongerer.

My girlfriend is an INTP and she's the cutest

>>14339557
I think intjs value personal accountability and because of this they tend to seek validation through external recognition and accolades. Correct me if I’m wrong, I’m a perceiving type and all of this is conjecture(this thread).

>>14339597
>value personal accountability
>seek validation through external recognition and accolades
I agree on the first part but I would doubt the second. Schopenhauer emphasizes how titles and external recognition are superfluous and what matters is the internal worth, statements to which I sympathize as well. But again, I might be wrong. I don't pretend to have the objective answer here.

I'm an INTP and make $18 an hour. It has me dead-on in the monetary department. I had no idea my type was so loathed, though. Only took the test once. "The Architect." Popular opinion is that INTPs are just lazy?

>>14339668
Infp here, it seems that the inxps just don’t give a fuck about financial gain and impressing ppl. If you don’t play the game you’re going to be unliked and poorer for it.

>>14339530
stfu you fucking faggot I'm just trying to say something!

>>14339544
>making very particular psychological assumptions from a broad statement
Because you don't have this subjectivity you fill it in with what would cause yourself to act in such a way hence projection. It wasn't even defensiveness, that's just you.

>>14339564
>yet it’s still represented in the personality make up and is therefore more present than in other types that don’t list it as a function.
Of course, but not as present as the types who have it as a primary.

>You’re wrongerer.
Damn you got me.

>>14339695
Fair enough. I used to make 50k in management then later on in sales: had the nice apartment, affluent neighborhood, pats on the shoulder, etc. Bur my soul was malnourished and I was always discontent. My current job isn't glamorous by any means, but the stress isn't there and I enjoy simply being alive. I'd like access to the same money I used to make, but discovered that the material and monetary benefits didn't, for me, outweigh the stress and emptiness that I felt. I'm grateful to have at least had that revelation when I was young, otherwise I might still be chasing salesmanship promotions. Not for me.

>>14339980
I think our types value freedom over any other reward system. I don’t care for security, financial success, fame, social responsibility, I only want control over what I’m doing and my free time.

>>14339980
I imagine sales for an introvert must be like hell.

I remember when I was 13 and thought this stuff was fun. Anyways I used to score INTP but ever since I took the depressionpill I'm INFP. I suppose I ultimately look at even artistic creation as a kind of deduction from premises, though.

>>14335820
What do you think Ignatius Riley's personality type would be

>got INFP
>but also feel like I'm a closeted pussy version of an ENTP

>ISTP
>no more gentleman's wars

>INTP here
how do I stop coasting?

>>14339345
Socrates was literally just a troll making others derail their own arguments
>>14339392
Then Plato made him his sockpuppet

>>14340031
>I suppose I ultimately look at even artistic creation as a kind of deduction from premises, though.
This is a very interesting way of seeing things, very analytical. However you must understand that everything falls under a premise, as that thing and coming from that. That the experience of understanding the experience between us.

This became circular and I do not know how.

>>14340918
>>but also feel like I'm a closeted pussy version of an ENTP
Okay faggot.

>>14341160
>Then Plato made him his sockpuppet
No, Plato celebrated Socrates.

>>14339289
Your friend sounds like a retard. I'm an INTP and can only relate to general unproductivity and autism.

Myerss Briggs is astrology for bugmen.
Modern astrology is myerrs briggs for brain dead thots,
Vedic/Hellenistic astrology is the choice of the patrician

>>14335820
>tfw in the UK these salaries would all literally be halved

>>14338708
^

>>14337900
INTP as well. I make 50k a year at 25. What do you do?

>>14341951
>not memorizing Yeats' Phases of the Moon and then applying the system to any truly noteworthy personalities one may encounter
Yes, Pleb Patrol? I believe I've found your suspect...

>>14341183
I didn't say it was anything profound. I just tend to admire the feeling of inevitability in literature more than any other.

>>14340002
You have *no* idea, anon.

Especially for FP

>>14335820
ENTP, INFJ, INFP

>>14335820
I always got INTP whenever I tested. Haven't tested in about a year and now I got INFP.

>>14335820
whatever :3's type is

>>14344700
Yes I know, was just thinking out loud.