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>>14326725
The Ultimate Truth cannot exist apart from the Conventional Truth. Nirvana is not independent from Samsara, nor is it the same as Samsara. Nirvana is defined by knowing Samsara to be empty. The Ultimate Truth is that Conventions are Conventions, empty, lacking self-essence. Conventional Truth is known as convention NOT because it is false and only valid as utility for social communication - convention is convention BECAUSE conventions are empty.
Nirvana is not an ontologically existent Absolute which replaces Samsara as the object of experience upon realization: it is the knowledge of the emptiness of Samsara.

The Conventional Truth is not invalid and subsumed into a more true or valid Ultimate Truth (Buddhists are not nihilists who deny the world): they are mutually dependent. There is no Ultimate Truth without Convention, and there is no Convention without Ultimate Truth.

Form is empty, emptiness is known known through form.
Form is not apart from emptiness. Emptiness is not apart from form.

The Absolutist may try to coopt the Vajrayana by saying that it teaches Absolutism. This is delusion. The highest teaching of the Diamond Vehicle is Madhyamaka. This goes even for Mahamudra and Dzogchen.
The great sages Padmasambhava and Vimalamitra taught Emptiness free from the Eight Extremes as the highest teaching.
Read Mipham Rinpoche's 'Gateway to Knowledge' to learn the Dzogchenpa view (which is Prasaṅgika Madhyamaka).

Read the Madhyamaka sages. Read the Prajnaparamita Sutras.

The so-called "Third Turning" never taught Absolutism, this is a misunderstanding. Buddha-Nature is the teaching that all dharmas are Ultimately pure, unarisen, unfabricated. Because all dharmas, all phenomena whatsoever are dependently originated: they ultimately never actually originated substantially. The nature of the Buddha is the nature of all phenomena.
The Buddha is beyond designation, without essence. All phenomena are beyond designation, without essence: all phenomena share the same nature as the Buddha in their emptiness. The Tathagatagarbha is no Absolute.

Delusional non-dualism is ontological. Buddhist non-dualism is epistemic.
The former advocates a philosophical position, that all is "one without a second." The later is the absence of extremes. The absence of dualism in Buddhism is the absence of the duality of "existence" and "non-existence."
You can argue that things are by nature empty, but you cannot assert "non-duality" as a nature and still be a Buddhist. Emptiness is non-dual, but it is not a "non-duality."

>>14326725
sunyata is just apophaticism of the same object

>>14326758
t. World-denying nihilist.
Sunyata is not "neti, neti." There is a clear and incredibly obvious difference.

>>14326725

>Madhyamaka teachings are correc-

>you cannot assert "non-duality" as a nature and still be a Buddhist. Emptiness is non-dual, but it is not a "non-duality."

Thoughts on Dolpopa if this is your interpretation?

>>14326921
>Since arising, abiding and perishing are not established,
>the conditioned is not established;
>since the conditioned is never established,
>how can the unconditioned be established?

>"Designating appearances as the >dharmakāya obscures me,
>designating whatever appears as mind obscures me,
>designating wisdom as mind obscures me"
- The Mirror-Mind of Samantabhadra Tantra

Properly understood, it is skillful means to balance nihilistic viewpoints and push the practitioner (on such an occasion of potentially nihilistic tendencies) in the opposite direction, away from aversion to phenomena. In and of itself though, taken as more than mere skillful means, it would be heretical, eternalist, essentialist, subtly dualistic. Basically Advaita Vedanta in Buddhist drag.
This isn't a problem, however, since very very few of the figures who utilize the Shentong view accept it on its own as the final view. Prasangika Madhyamaka is almost universally accepted in Dzogchen and Mahamudra as definitive.
Shentong is not the definitive view of the key figures of Dzogchen.
It denies the world as unreal, reifies Nirvana as an Absolute which it cannot be.

>>14326921
In any case, the assertion that Dolpopa was the very first to get it right and that all the previous Indian Buddhist sages were wrong, is absurd.

Ok, thanks

>>14326725
Kinda funny, I’m not buddhist, or really, religious in any sense, but I had this realization earlier this summer when I went for a bike ride. “The future can only be built on the past” is how I phrased it in my mind.

>>14326729
>The Ultimate Truth cannot exist apart from the Conventional Truth. Nirvana is not independent from Samsara, nor is it the same as Samsara
This is retarded. Nirvana, by definition, is the UNCONDITIONED, INDEPENDENT of everything.

You might want to tone down the religious fanaticism a bit brother.

It is literally impossible for a white to be a buddhist. Any attempt at this will just be an exercise in hopeless larping. It will be impossible for him to understand the true meaning of non-Abrahamic doctrines. This is why the only "buddhists" in the west are annoying hippies and retarded "secular buddhist" nonsense.

Prove me wrong.

>>14327556
it means youre of that lot if thats all you see. no buddhist will tell you he is one out of the blue

>>14327370
>Since arising, abiding and perishing are not established,
>the conditioned is not established;
>since the conditioned is never established,
>how can the unconditioned be established?

>>14327370
Nirvana is never defined positively as an actual thing or object. It literally translates to "Extinguished," specifically the extinguishment of greed, hatred, and delusion. The delusion is not knowing that conventions are only conventions, mistaking them for ultimate ontologically existent/non-existent objects, and not knowing that these conventions are empty.
The emptiness has no self-existence, it is only asserted in relation to conventions. The emptiness OF conventions. Emptiness in and of itself is not something taught in Buddhism, and is inconceivable.

>>14327742
>Nirvana is never defined positively as an actual thing or object.
When did I say it was defined positively as an object? Zero reading comprehension. I even used caps so people like you would not reply with your self-masturbatory rhetoric.

The concept of emptiness was never EVER spoken of by the Buddha. It was formulated more than five centuries later. Stop generalizing Buddhism and equating it to the Madhyamika.
Same goes for the expedient means doctrine and the two truths doctrine. They are thought currents (aka "philosophies") inserted within a religious context. Buddhism as a whole doesn't teach emptiness, that is only the teaching of a particular school in a much larger heritage.

Seriously, tone down the fetishizing of indian phiolosophy. You don't realize how its proselytism is brain-washing you. Go read a book and engage in scholarly discussion instead of trying to get (Yous)s in a Ceylonese nail polishing forum; and if you really are into Buddhism then go become a monk and leave this place.

I read Peter Harvey's Introduction to Buddhism, where should I go from there?

>>14327692
Literally every buddhist organisation I come across is a retreat for yuppies to unwind from their hectic lives. Nobody actually takes it seriously. The state of buddhism in the west seems to me to be somehow worse than even christianity.

>Buddhism is non-dependent interretational unconditioned acceptance of the unique emptiness of ontological distinction vis a vis apundatta and balavcitta within the Abahwamarcharyankinaka school
>NO Buddhism stole from Hinduism's twice-told conceptualization of the eradication of the self/non-self distinctional paradigmatic not this or that truth

HOLY FUCK HOW IS ANYONE SUPPOSED TO UNDERSTAND THIS CRAP

I'll stick with Jesus tyvm

>>14327836
Reread chapters about the things that you are more interested in and read the bibliographic references he uses on said topics.

>>14327863
Kek

>>14327556
>Prove me wrong.
pic related

>>14327863
>I'll stick with Judeo-Christianity tyvm
*tips*

>>14327959
How many western "buddhists" have actually gone to a buddhist country and received training from an actual monk though?

>>14327986
Your argument was that it is literally impossible for a white to be a Buddhist, and you then asked for someone to prove you wrong, which Anon did.

>>14328006
No true white would ever live with slopes.

bump for interest, good thread op

>>14326725
>Thinking Brahman is part of the Samsara
>Thinking the majority of Abrahamic religions are falling for Perennialism
>Thinking Sunyata and Brahman arent the same thing
>Thinking all religions havent emanated from Brahman
>Thinking the I AM realisation that is currently occurring among a select few is Nihilism


Yep its gonna be a cringe and a yikes from me. The majority of Christards/Muslims dont support Perennialism anyway. And ironically, you are posing as a Buddhist Absolutist by making this thread

>>14326725
>Any Absolutist, Essentialist, Realist or Nihilistic interpretation of Buddhism, renders Dependent Origination meaningless.

No shit. But nobody here manages to read anything but fortune cookie excerpts from the suttas so good luck getting through to these psueds.

>>14326729
>Nirvana is not independent from Samsara
It literally is by definition. Samsara is the cycle of death rebirth. If you mean one cannot exist without the other, which his different than independence, then yes you are correct, but they are definitely independent in most senses.

>>14328334
>guenonfag has entered the chat.

Shunyata is a crap doctrine

I'll hit you with a stick on your head and you will absolutely BE in the moment.
Such "realizations" are products of your mind only and they don't stand firmly on the ground.

>>14328360
This. There's some useful shit in Vajrayana but ignore all Mahayana crap. Most of it is sensation based and therefor anti darhma. It's literally just popular because it's marketable in the west since you can supposedly go hogwild with drinking and pussy.

>>14326729
>The Absolutist may try to coopt the Vajrayana by saying that it teaches Absolutism. This is delusion. The highest teaching of the Diamond Vehicle is Madhyamaka. This goes even for Mahamudra and Dzogchen.
It is very duplicitous of you to falsely claim that all of Vajrayana accepts Madhyamaka as the highest view. Granted that the more popular Gelug sect promulgates Madhyamaka views, there is a long history of various teachers in Tibetan Buddhism stating that the teaching of the third turning, of the Buddhist Tantras, of the Tathagatagarbha sutras etc are the higher truth and not Madhyamaka, these teachers typically have been Kagyu and Jonang although there is the occasional exception found outside of these schools as well. Not only is what you are doing pedantic but it's also dishonest and papers over all the contrary examples to your position found in Tibetan Buddhism, to say nothing of the various Mahayana schools. To anyone who has actually studied Tibetan Buddhism and the views of different schools it's immediately apparent that you like so many other Buddhist partisans are claiming without any basis that your favorite flavor of Buddhist teachings is actually the highest truth. That I even have to explain this is tiresome and disappointing.
>The so-called "Third Turning" never taught Absolutism
Completely incorrect, in the works of Asanga that set forth the teachings of the Third Turning (that you would write 'so-called' and put it in scare quotes shows your pettiness) it is taught that Parinispanna is eternal non-dual consciousness, which constitutes absolutism. The later Yogachara of Dharmakirti etc disagreed with this and did away with Asanga's absolutism but that doesn't mean that the third turning wasn't originally absolutist. No amount of later commentaries or later attempted Madhyamaka-Yogachara syntheses can change the content of what appears in the earliest Yogachara texts. You are either deliberately lying about this or are woefully uninformed, in either case your post deserves to be disregarded.

>>14328354
>guenonfag

fuck him, and fuck guenon. guenon completely ignores western esotericism like Neoplatonism and Gnosticism and even denounces it at some points.
Clearly neither you nor OP have any knowledge whatsoever in the esoteric metaphysics, which would make sense since you get all of your knowledge of perennialism from a retard like Guenon.

If you want real Esoteric Perennialism and liberation from the Samsara, then study the Neoplatonist doctrines.

>>14328377
>Neoplatonist doctrines.
Advaita is superior though

>>14328385
I still like Advaita, but its not as good as Neoplatonism, Guenons views on Buddhism being a continuation of the Upanishads are one of the only things he got right, along with his criticisms of modernity.

But I cant take him seriously when he shills for eastern esotericism so hard while completely shitting on the western doctrines like Neoplatonism.

>>14328377
>gnosticism
>western
just go home

>>14328396
Gnosticism is Indo-Aryan, from the original westerners. Its not as good as Neoplatonism, but it still has the same core teachings and is based on Greek Paganism/Philosophy + Zoroastrianism and Christianity
Stop shilling for lines on a map you fucking hylic brainlet

>>14328403
Gnosticism is Semitic but through the middle and late platonic lense.

>>14328385
Imo Neoplatonism is superior in the sense that it is based in reason rather than the Upanishads, advaita in the sense of method to assimilate the truth expressed.

>>14328408
Semites are distant cousins of the Aryans, Noah was the father of all Caucasoids.

>>14328413

>>14328413
The Great Flood recorded in all mythologies, is the flooding of Atlantis...

>>14328418
Kill yourself stormnigger

What is the so-called "I AM" realization? Is it what Yeshua experienced right before achieving gnosis?

>>14328437
Correct. Dont listen to this retarded Buddhist, hes just seething that people can still be liberated from the Samsara through religions that arent his.

The words "Buddha" and "Christ" are interchangeable

>>14328426
>if you don't believe some desert tales - you're a stormnigger
wtf is wrong with you, get out!

>>14328437
Yeshua was a born jñanin.

>>14328454
More like
>If you think Neoplatonism is a desert tale you are a stormnigger.

Western culture dosen't revolve solely around Nordic/Germanic Paganism you fucking Stormnigger, go practice some Wiccan rituals or someshit

>>14328454
Deucalion is Noah by the way, you Fucking brainlet

>>14328462
>If you think Neoplatonism is a desert tale you are a stormnigger.
I don't think that.
I said GNOSTICISM is Semitic

>>14328437
Yes he literally confirms it. He was a gnostic.
>John 8:24: For unless you believe that I am, you will die in your sins

Much love.

>>14328472
It was influenced by Semitism, but that means nothing unless you are a retarded Stormnigger paranoid about Jews being out to get you.

Gnostics literally denounce the Jewish God and support the Monad (A Platonic/Pythagorean idea...)

>>14328472
Gnosticism is a Semitic interpretation of platonism in light of Christ's paradigm shift.

>>14328479
>It was influenced by Semitism
But this can be seen about any unsubverted and legitimate religion.

>>14328481
This

>>14328479
>>14328486
lol no, stop trying

>>14328492
Semiticism proceeds directly from the uncreated Brahman.

>>14328492
Okay Stormnigger, enjoy living life inside your bubble of shitty dead Pagan traditions, your only real influential figures are retards like Aleister Crowley

>>14328495
You have severe mental problems, my friend. Seek help

>>14328499
>being a skyrim pagan

>>14328478
The actual quote is:
>For unless you believe that I am HE, you will die in your sins

So who is he referring to here? just his Unity with Brahman?

>>14328437
My problem with Yeshua is his egocentricity.
He realized some shit when he was alone in the desert, he met God but then he went on and claimed he himself is this God.
Higher teachers relized that this God is present in everyone in a latent state and can be awakened.

>>14328506
That he is a avatara of the monad

>>14328514
Holy shit I this is the most retarded Hylic post I have ever read.
A Good test to tell if you are a Hylic: You think Jesus claimed to be God

>>14328497
>figures are retards like Aleister Crowley
Kabbalah, gematria, invocation of jewish archangels, the lesser key of (((Solomon))) and his myriad of demons, Beast (((666)))

He was the ultimate judeizer and a spiritual Semite, you must be joking.

>>14328516
Correct. But technically everyone is an avatar of the Monad. What was unique about Jesus was his achievement of such a high state of Gnosis

>>14328521
Thanks for proving my point, the only major rep for Pagan traditions in recent history has been a retard

>>14328514
That was the point of Jesus's teachings by the way, he didnt claim to be God himself, he had an inner realization of God and taught it to people as a Doctrine. Thats why he says the Kingdom of God is within you...
Dont listen to what retard Exoteric Christards say about him, they are retards

>>14328523
I never said I'm a "Pagan", my scitzo friend.
I'm just not fond of the desert tales of some wandering semitic tribe.

I prefere Greeks and Aryans (Iranic and Indian tradition)

>>14328499
Dagoth Ur was also a gnostic working within the primordial tradition (which is necessarily Semitic in origin).

>>14328522
I would add avataras are born with perfect gnosis, whereas hylics, psychae must work towards realization

>>14328531
A presentation of a way of life for other people to follow, so they all have the right to become Sons of God like he was...

>>14328533
Youre the only Paranoid Schizo here, who thinks all Semites are out to get him and subvert his precious traditions.
Gnostics clearly werent spiritual semites

>>14328531
>Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live
He always claimed that people should believe in him in order to realize this and that.
The god is within him and not us according to him

>>14328538
That is true. Although he did receive something at his Baptism that he didnt have before, I believe that was his Gnosis/the Christ itself


>>14328544
But he also says
>I am in father, you are in me, and I am in you
In Gnosticism, the Universal "Christ" or the Buddha, is a realisation that anyone can achieve like Jesus did, although Jesus was born with this realisation whereas regular people have to work to achieve it

Newfag here. What YouTube lecture series can I study to get gnosis-pilled?

>>14328542
>who thinks all Semites are out to get him and subvert his precious traditions
You're repeating these claims you pulled out your ass again, my friend.
I don't think anyone is out to get me. I simply dislike the judaic tradition.
I think it's not interesting because it's an amalgamation of all neighboring traditions and when you confront them with this fact they claim it's the other way around.

Genesis and Noah myth: Sumerian
Moses story: Egyptian
Monotheism and savior complex: Iranic
Post Jesus time machinations: Greek

>>14328565
Adam was a True Kabbalist and thus necessarily a gnostic. Same goes for Abraham and most of his direct descendants.

>>14328571
>I simply dislike the judaic tradition.
That's fine. But you have to realize that the most direct path to the I AM realization lies precisely through semitism in one form or another. You can dilute it if you prefer the taste, but be aware of exactly what it is you're doing.
>>14328573
This post reeks of "controlled plant".

>>14328567
This is a really good Channel I found recently,

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCNCTNPBEbC5LMJdciPnG-Q

Although its mostly Neoplaonism, Gnosticism and Neoplatonism are pretty much the same thing although the Gnostics incorporated Christianity + Zoroastrianism into their worldview.

Plotinus did do a criticism specifically against Sethian Gnostics (Not Valentinians, a common mistake), but Sethian books are still worth reading for their Cosmology like this: >>14328565

>>14328571
Man you need to get that the flood story wasnt directly Sumerian
>Who is Deucalion
>Who is Manu

They are both other names for Noah.
Noah was the sole survivor of the flooding of Atlantis, he was the father of all caucasoids

I don't know why anyone hates semitism. Legitimate semitism; not the garbage (((they))) are pushing. I started learning Arabic recently and I already feel much closer to gnosis.

>>14328585
Noahs family*

>>14328588
Yeah theres nothing wrong with Semitic religions in themselves, its just paranoid Stormniggers who have been spooked by Zionism and Wahhabism

>>14328585
Where are non-caucasoids from?

>>14328614
they were spawned directly from the semen of The Demiurge.

>>14328588
Can I ask why Arabic in particular? Are you studying sufism perchance?

>>14328618
That seems horribly anthromorphic.

>>14328578
>But you have to realize that the most direct path to the I AM realization lies precisely through semitism in one form or another
That's a matter of taste then because I was unable to make any progress through christianity while various Dharmic schools offered me the tools to self improvement.
Also, I'm sure Tao goes deeper than any form of judaism when it comes to this realization

>>14328622
Not him, but Arabic has the best literature/Poetry even outside of Islam.
Its better than learning Hebrew/Aramaic imo

>>14328629
Kek, Taoism is just simplified Kabbalah.
The tree of life has the path of Justice on one side and Mercy on the other

>>14328632
>Its better than learning Hebrew/Aramaic imo
I suppose thats true

>>14328622
>Are you studying sufism perchance?
Yes, I plan to. I feel more of a draw towards Arabic after listening to Qur'an recitations. Also what >>14328632 said seems to be true from what I know.

>>14328637
>Kek, Taoism is just simplified Kabbalah.
Had a nice chuckle.
The sun is shining, the weather is clear, I'm gonna head out for a jog. Have a nice day, spiritual semites.

>>14326725
based. Fuck perennialists. They're the bland commieblock of religion.

>>14328637
Each side of the tree represents the Yin and Yang

>>14328645
Keep Seething Stormnigger

>>14328645
>Had a nice chuckle.
Hylic detected!

>>14328647
The only person more retarded than the OP of this thread is someone who would reply "Based" to it

>>14327986
lel, how about thousands upon thousands? There are probably a few thousand white monks living in fucking caves all across south east asia and sri lanka as we speak.

>>14328647
Based on what?

>>14328642
>Yes, I plan to. I feel more of a draw towards Arabic after listening to Qur'an recitations
Yes, I always liked nasheeds whenever I heard them off the cuff on videos and such so in that sense I can sympathize.

>>14328437
>What is the so-called "I AM" realization? Is it what Yeshua experienced right before achieving gnosis?
Friendly reminder that Jesus never achieved gnosis. He preached everything that one ought not to preach if one is enlightened.
>inb4 this one quote
He's probably a bush right now if he's not in hell.

>>14328663
>He's probably a bush right now
a burning one. he achieved unity with the higher one by declaring that "HE IS".

>>14328663
Ok rabbi

>>14328667
>667
This is the truth. This post's digits were protected from the demiurge.

>>14328663
Curious, what should one not preach?

>>14328663

>>14328675
Jews are just seething that he told them that loving money is a bad thing

>>14328667
>>14328669
>>14328675
>>14328681
>t. christcucks
You know... Normal people leave Christianity once they realize the mental midget metaphysics of the religion. They don't start sperging out saying that Yeshua taught non-duality.

Cringe relativism will always be cringe.

>>14328688
>Thinking im a Christard and not a far superior Gnostic/Neoplatonist
>Unironically supporting a retard like the Dalai Lama
>Not realising that the Tibetan Buddhists and the Dalai Lama are just the Pharisees of Buddhism

>>14326725
Warning for anybody: mahayana is wrong view

>>14328700
>Mahayana is wrong view

Modern Buddhatards are reaching maximum cope levels

>>14328694
Gnosticism is just another christcuck cope, so I guess I was right.

Go read the Gospel of (((Thomas))) again loser

>>14328708
cope Stormnigger.

>>14328700
And here I was thinking that Buddhists didn't have succession/schism/Orthodoxy problems like Christards do. Lol

>>14328478
>>14328506
He was just saying that he's God and if you believe it then you will go to heaven. It just typical Semitic dualism. There is nothing to ponder.

>>14328740
Ok Hylic.

>>14328741
Honestly though. As a chad Swede that have never in my entire life known a Christian person, I have to ask... Why do you try to hang on to Christianity when you do not believe in the the dogmas? There is definitely some weird cultural thing that I am missing. Why go through all these mental gymnastics trying to read into all these texts things that have never ever been read as such(without perhaps some 1st century gnostics) instead of just forsaking all of that nonsense and realizing its inferiority? And instead just go to a religion that actually taught what you believe since its beginning and up to the present day, be it pre-Christian neoplatonism, Buddhism or Advaita. But instead you go "2000 years of Christian theology and history??? they got it wrong! when he said this he actually meant that and when he said that he actually meant this".

What's the appeal? The fucking churches? It can't possibly be the Christian narrative, history and myths since they evoke absolutely no gravitas and pathos in Man. If Jesus was a non-dualist/monist or whatever you think he was then he really was a subpar non-dualist/monist philosopher and you can definitely find better out there.

>>14328688
>I do not ask for these only, but also for those who will believe in me through their word, that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent me. The glory that you have given me I have given to them, that they may be one even as we are one, I in them and you in me, that they may become perfectly one, so that the world may know that you sent me and loved them even as you loved me.

Can anyone recommend a good translation of the Upanishads? Preferably one with some degree of commentary and explanation. A version im looking at by Sarvepalli Radhakrishnan seems pretty good

>>14327829
>The concept of emptiness was never EVER spoken of by the Buddha
https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/mn/mn.122.than.html

>>14328795
Mainstream Christianity (atleast Catholicism) admits nonduality in its theology of mysticism and lives of contemplative saints.

>>14328811
Look into Max Mueller

>>14328394
>Guenons views on Buddhism being a continuation of the Upanishads are one of the only things he got right
its actually one of the things he got wrong

>>14328795
it’s a LARP
they’re trying to be trad Europeans
that’s all

>>14328867
No they don't, stop with this nonsense. Catholicism does not accept that the human soul is non-different from God and they do teach creation.They were gonna burn Ekhart on a stake if he hadn't died prematurely.

Anyway you didn't really respond. You just showed another case of this weird attachment to Christianity. I don't think i'll ever understand you Christians. Especially not the Christians that do not believe in the Christian dogmas. As far as I can tell, people believe in the religion DESPITE of what it is because they have genuine belief in all its dogmas and this therefore makes all the nonsense of it irrelevant since it just so happens to be the one true faith and that's that. Why people remain without this belief is beyond me.
>>14328811
Just read the ones with Shankara's commentary from the start. No need to waste time on anything else.
http://estudantedavedanta.net/Eight-Upanisads-Vol-1.pdf
http://estudantedavedanta.net/Eight-Upanisads-vol2.pdf
https://archive.org/details/Brihadaranyaka.Upanishad.Shankara.Bhashya.by.Swami.Madhavananda
https://archive.org/details/Shankara.Bhashya-Chandogya.Upanishad-Ganganath.Jha.1942.English
https://archive.org/details/BrahmaSutraSankaraBhashyaEnglishTranslationVasudeoMahadeoApte1960
http://estudantedavedanta.net/Bhagavad-Gita.with.the.Commentary.of.Sri.ShankaracharyaN.pdf

how do I summon a golem or a calf to cook and eat?

>>14328928
Yeah that is usually my take on it too. They just kinda larp it so that they can fantasize about a based deus vult Christian society while posting pictures of cathedrals and saints.

>>14328573
Gnostics dont deny that Adam and Eve were also Gnostic, they were Seths Parents

>>14328567
There arent many good Youtube channels on it unfortunately, There is a good website though where you can read all the texts for free

http://gnosis.org/welcome.html

Threads like this are so pathetic, everyone is kind of right, but puts it in such a retarded way, just name dropping something something is better than that other. Or, I don't know, if you look closely really closely eskimos and buddhists are just like crypto-alchemist european psychologists, wow such discovery. If you haven't read the billion pages of this author, you know nothing about this obscure shit, then both guys read 1% of that and come here boasting how the other got it wrong. I don't know what serves you people to read all that mind blowing stuff if the logic of the discussion is still this mediocre I got it all right shit. Buddhism is a reboot of the flourishing and immense hindu marketplace of ideas and religions and practices going on at that time and place, how surprising, just like italian is reboot latin. This doesn't serve you shit, if you are into buddhism or hindu stuff or a guenonfag or more of a jesus guy, or all of them, you already know this shit doesn't matter. But fuck it, let's consciously fall to the lowest most common trap of talking this shit instead of talking of the world (like those guys were talking anyway).

>>14328952
Yeah its true, people should atleast be more Humble when debating, I see it on all sides

>>14328879
t. knows nothing about Upanishadic Hinduism or Buddhism

>>14328952
Ego is a killer.

>>14328984
t. shitskin neovedantist

>>14327853
youre just describing western style buddhism in general. if you personally have fleshed this out it wouldnt bother you as much. a small percentage of those will be voidpilled. will completely change their life and restart in a self purging fashion. a lot travel and move to native buddhist countries or the 3rd world in general. others will completely blow their brains and break down at the massive shit bank theyve been logging around. majority will be comfortable 'buying buddhism' and it works to keep them functional in that environment. these are the type you see most. sure its self defeating but consider that meditation and yoga really is that effective as a kind of soul maintenance. perhaps in a way the harsh corporate setting becomes stripped of its influencing power even if just enough to not break. through all that being buddhist isnt about how serious you are in 'being buddhist' if it means you go around trying to analyze peoples lives for not being buddhist enough. mind you some asian buddhist countries still retain their warrior caste roots.

>>14327863
Most philosophy is a war of attrition, it is made to nauseate. The winner is the autist who can stand the longer.

>>14328934
Guenonfag spotted with the Shankara meme sources too. This is almost a parody

>>14327959
>nominally claiming buddhism makes u a buddhist
ok retard

>>14328377
>guenon completely ignores western esotericism like Neoplatonism and Gnosticism and even denounces it at some points.
Wow, Guenon is more based than I thought.

>>14328694
Holy fuck you are an idiot. How do you unironically call yourself Gnostic/NeoPlatonist when the two schools of thought are contradictory. Plotinus wrote against the Gnostics. Clearly you haven't even read Plotinus and are just larping. You should be embarrassed.

>>14328408
>abrahamic is bad because jew
>dharmic good because poo in loo

>>14328795
> since they evoke absolutely no gravitas and pathos in Man
What you have stated is blatantly false and undebatable. You are just baiting at this point and projecting your Swedish soullessness on to others who legitimately want to believe something rather than Guenon memes on 4chan.

>>14328377
Guenon says that Aristotle had better metaphysics and is closest to the truth in the west. You are just coping because your tiny brain can understand Plato better, given you don't have to think as analytically.

>>14329128
lel im not Guenonfag but I did save his recommendations in a Rich Text-document though ;^)
>>14329151
I want to believe too but Christianity is clearly not believable through reason so I don't really see a purpose for continually maintaining it when one does not have authentic Christian faith.

>>14329164
> not believable through reason
All religions are not believable in reason. There is no empirical reason to say Brahma is the foundation of reality. If you like Guenonfag you should realize that is his most basic premise. Religion goes beyond the rational and into the supra-rational where discursive reason no longer applies. To say that Christianity, Buddhism, or any religion is beyond reason and has contact with the supra-rational just further emphasizes the purpose for believing it.

>>14329164
t. Guenonfag

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