/lit/ - Literature

>>14317608
Based anon, I'll join the good cause
Literally everything is better than this shit

>being so far detached from the real world that you think it will "collapse" or erupt into violent fighting

Stop LARPing that its still Roman times

>>14317608
>>14317773
Let me guess, they cast a black guy into a movie and you think "muh western civilization" is collapsing. You /pol/tards are so embarassing

>>14317800
I only add some spice to my description because 100% dry/rational comments don't stand out on 4chan. Joke 's on you for believing in progress in this age of disintegration.

EMP
>Fucked
Banana boat from Asia don't come around no more
>Fucked
Nuclear war
>Fucked
If none of those things happen, the spirit of most people will have died by the end of this century anyway. I want to raise children, have family, have community, but by my own terms.

>>14317808
>Projecting
Try having an original thought.

You fuckers need to read more Taleb.

>>14317800
>>14317808
It has more to do with the destruction of the primordial forests which our culture is based upon but whatever

>>14317888
>>14317808

I haven't even read Spengler yet, but could we continue the discussion without the meme-philosophers? I'm not a big fan of Guénon or Evola either; the concepts of civilisational dcline isn't inextricably wound up with those guys.

>>14317886
I haven't read Taleb. How is he relevant to this thread?

>>14317927
Srry fr teh typos: new keyboard.

>>14317608
Maybe if you read more about collapse you might come to terms to the fact that there really isn't going to be a collapse, as It is already happening. Collapses occur in different ways in history, and this time its gradual, so go full kaczynski or full ruralist depending where you are living

>>14317608
The neo-liberal order is very stable. It's collapse will be due to technological-environmental damage. It will last for hundreds of years, and the planet will be too damaged for anything to take its place. Best case scenario is some miracle of a nuclear apocalypse, but given that the order controls even the "crazy" opposition like North Korea, there really isn't any chance of this.

>>14317963
>, and this time its gradual,
You know Ted begs for some group to co-op some miracle happening and take out the electrical grids right? A gradual death will result in a final death of humanity. It needs to be a total collapse ASAP to salvage what's currently left. Waiting for the inevitable slow death is worst case scenario

>>14317973
Gimme sauce on:
>Hundreds of years
I think this mistake is nearly as grave as saying the system will never collapse. You're putting all your trust in a house of cards. Maybe you are trying to cope so you won't have to take action in this life? Elaborate if you think I'm mistaken.

>The order controls even 'crazy' opposition.
Seems to me like the opposition is extemely fierce and most people seem to have forgotten these leaders are no better than tribal warlords wanting to flay their enemies alive. I'd say the underlying order is all parties knowing full-out war will lead to a collapse: no grid=no power. Source on this is Jacques Ellul 's 'The Technological Society', BUT Stanley Kubrik's 'Dr. Strangelove', though being quite comical, perfectly illustrates how a random powertrip could fuck all.

A civilization rarely collapses in a day. It can be gradual over decades or more.

>>14318106
Please read before replying.

Faggot

>>14317860
>thinking emp and nuclear warrior are seperate and seperatable things
liberal arts education at work

>>14318091
not anon but i think he means that because neoliberal capitalism itself thrives so long as money is moving and structures are being dissolved its ideal is a state of perpetual collapse. how does one collapse a system that functions best and most successfully when collapsing?

>>14317608
>collapse
lol, what collapse you shitstain? this is just the beginning of the new world order.

>>14317860
>>14318125
>They fell for the nuclear weapons are real meme
No one has been able to verify the mathematics. Ever wondered why we stopped “testing” them as video footage continued to progress? Remember, we have no modern footage of a nuclear explosion. Not even Korea has videos of their supposed nuclear detonations, which you think they’d broadcast to the world. It’d simple be the greatest form of propaganda, instilling real fear into the West.

>>14318118
>reading at all, even just other anons' posts, instead of spouting uneducated nonsense the second you see a trigger word as if you're some kind of slogan producing robot

Look at this nerd!

>>14318151
France tested their nukes in 1996

>>14318125
>What is implication
>What is conversation

>>14318170
>A ZOG nation tested their bogeyman weapons
This is why I used NK as an example. They’ve conducted ‘multiple’ successful tests, according to my western knowledge.

>>14318148
That's why my fear is a powertrip causing a clusterfuck, see >>14318091
Interesting though, lit on this?

>>14318151
So you'd say Hiroshima got firebombed?
Gonna need more to convince me nukes don't exist, anon.
It'd be a shame seeing as pic related wouldn't die off as quickly.

>>14317995

>>14317888
And no Iranic there. Utterly fucking revolting. It's like no one even bothers to read the Gathas or Shahnameh and try to infer what Iranic aesthetics of Sassanids, Scythians, or whatever were like. I can list it:

Examples: Sogdia, Bactria, Iranshahr, Scythia
Prime Symbol: Cosmic Dualistic Battle
Origin of Prime Symbol: Fire
Architectural Expression: differs during Achaemenid & Sassanid eras

>>14318435
Dualism is peak cope

>>14318490
Good and evil is absolute, and if you disagree, you are plummeting to the House of Lies, daeva. You will fall from the Chinvat Bridge.
I don't have time to listen to your deception and filth. You must be purified lest you be damned. Redemption is beyond you at this point. Only purification can save your soul.

>>14318490
Good and evil is absolute, and if you disagree, you are plummeting to the House of Lies, daeva. You will fall from the Chinvat Bridge.
I don't have time to listen to your deception and filth. You must be purified lest you be damned.

>>14318594
>Sauce
Just give me a lit reccomendation, I'll read it. Promise <3

>>14318594
are absolute*

>>14318091
The neoliberal capitalist system is not a house of cards. It works really well for the people on top and its not gonna crumble any time soon. I'd say it could run for another 500 years easy

>>14317800
not knowing how close we are to collapse is just naivety at this point. The financial world is already collapsing, western democracy is dead and open ethnic conflict at this point. The next crash wont be stocks but currencies because of Quantitative Easing etc etc etc

If only you knew how bad things really are

>>14318843
How did you come to this startling conclusion?
>lit?????

>>14318935
following financial news but actually reading the entire yearly reports from some MASSIVE global liabilities like Deutsche Bank.

>>14319083
There are A LOT of bubbles now. You are a naive fool.

is Glubb right, and we're in an Age of Decadence?

It hasn't happened in 3000 years. How the fuck could it happen today?
At best another bloody revolution.

you know politics has evolved in the ~2500 years since Plato lived, right?

>"my life is so shit that I fantasise about societal collapse where I would inevitably become a person of significance instead of a deadbeat chantard, which is what I am"

>>14317608
20-30 decades give or take.

>>14317800
>or erupt into violent fighting
Imagine being this unaware of humans' true nature.

>>14318812
>>14319358
>>14318843

It might not collapse into primitivism or violence, maybe just evolve into something so different that the label of a liberal democracy or nation-state no longer applies. All it took for the change from monarchy to nation-state was industrialization and the rise of the private capital (technology+a new powerful elite who hates the aristocratic elite above them). It's possible that traditional societies subjugated the merchant class and built their ethos around traditional immaterial values to prevent this.

All you need for change is: a super-elite that outgrows its usefulness to the elites slightly below it on the hierarchy, and loses it's control over them. For example, if multi-national corporations find the nation-state is hindering more than helping, they can easily outmaneuver them: create their own city-states within a nation by getting contracts to build "smart cities" or whatever, define their laws as "user agreements", and have private security protecting their land/property. They can use their campaign donations to favor decentralization to the city level, and have entire municipal councillors on their payroll.

Over time this leads to a state where the CEO is the de-facto monarch and smart-cities compete over citizen-customers by offering attractive services and exclusive subscription plans.

>>14318843
>>14319808
>It will happen any day now!

>>14319390
deadbeat but not deadbeaten

Millenarianism is escapism anon. You still have to go to work tomorrow.

>>14320188
dubs of truth

won't be a good future, and won't last long, but it is the next step

>>14317608
It won't collapse into something different. It'll just keep collapsing and reforming as capitalism.

>>14317608
(You)

I don't know why certain elements on this board are so opposed to the idea that the current social order is in bad decline. And attempt, as if it is a good argument, to adduce as a motive for those of us who recognize that we are experiencing a decline that we are losers, and pray for collapse because we believe we will somehow be better off in that scenario. I am a bit of a loser, but I know that social collapse won't be good for me or almost anyone. I don't even necessarily think that social collapse writ large is imminent. What I believe is I think based on a rational extrapolation of current trends--particularly trends which alert us to rapid environmental degradation. Can anyone really answer to this?

>Oh man... My life sucks and I wish society would collapse so I can show my epic gamer skills... Surely I would be succesful like in my animu and vidya

>yfw secular millenarians are somehow even more annoying than the Bible thumping millenarians

Learn how to grown mushrooms and filter rainwater if it makes you feel special and just shut the fuck up you weird ecofash Jack London wannabes

I haven’t read the article yet, but the author is usually spot on.
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8xwygg/the-collapse-of-civilization-may-have-already-begun?fbclid=IwAR3k4hN3PF0yMvDk_4pI9emGXBSsc_WQlfhE4VhTR7dDwibNFaengv7Ou70

>>14317608

>clutching at a dog-eared copy of Leviathan as you lie in a growing pool of dysentery shits in some half-rotten farmhouse twenty miles away from a mid-size city
>"Yes, this is how I purify myself. My body is approaching its Platonic Ideal. Pain is weakness leaving the body"

>>14320854

>Vice

You need to be 18 to post on 4chan.

Shut the FUCK up.

>>14318106
>>14318106
It's been declining for decades now

>>14320881
Nafeez Ahmed has very sharp instincts. He is worth taking seriously, even if he is writing for a sometimes questionable outlet.

>>14321033
>civilization's collapse precipitated by climate change
The mechanisms of every facet of modern society are like sugar-glass. Ethnic and economic conflict, if not a collapse of the entire world financial system (planned or unplanned) will cause the wide-spread conflict envisioned by many, not a fucking hurricane on some Caribbean shithole island. A civil war in Mexico would create 1000x more refugees to pour into the USA than some poorly defined "climate catastrophe."

Pretending that society is fraying for any reason other than established natural patterns being intentionally disrupted (social and physiological, not climatological) is preparing for a flood when your house is in the course of a forest fire. It's not a sign of intellectual capacity or superior analytical ability to construct an entire false narrative for inevitable collapse. Nafeez Ahmed is a mouthpiece for a hoped-for "best case scenario" by elites where they're seen as messianic saviors for peddling climate change as the cause for modern societal ails. He's sharp in that he realizes what message is in demand, not because he has accurately defined the problems we currently face hurdling into the 2020's.

>>14318435
fucking lmao

climate change will lead to water wars, india and pakistan and china have nukes.

Its not hard to picture future nuclear war

>>14320800
it would mean admitting climate change is real

>>14317888
>(not let developed)
kek

>>14320878
Sounds pretty aesthetic desu

>>14317608
You're the last person I'd trust to set up a platonic city state

>>14321226
these things commingle--climate change can and does contribute to economic decline, social instability and political dysfunction

>>14321280
Aside from ocean acidification and microplastic contamination I'm not sold on the idea of man-made climate change existing at all. I'm certainly not convinced of it being the main cause of societal collapse. The narrative that it is has been constructed to "sanitize" the reality of the coming erosion of sovereignty of the established powers. It's clearly not the construction of a society of people who by their biological nature hate each other, it's hurricanes and droughts! If only we could join hands and work together we could forge a new, unified path to the future, for EVERYONE!

See where I'm going with this?

>>14321317
>I'm not sold on the idea of man-made climate change existing at all
if the available evidence hasn't convinced you, what would?

>>14317860
like if you see faces in the water

>>14321226
You're retarded if you think that Climate threat is a little more wind once a year and whatnot. Climate Change is extremely dangerous because of its effect on crops, biodiversity, water temperatures, positive feedback loops, and your own fucking body. What you don't understand is that a small shift in the average can result in a huge shift in extremes. And guess what kills people and plants? Extreme temperatures. Do you follow? When you have hugeass areas on the world map housing millions of individuals that cannot be inhabited anymore, it creates massive migrations. When you have countries where it doesn't rain enough anymore, you end up with migrations. When you have rising sea levels, you end up with migrations eventually. Climate change is a danger to us as a species, especially since it can spiral out of control and heat the planet to insane levels we wouldn't be able to withstand.

All of this is just Climate Change. When you add resources scarcity, soil depletion, and all the financial bubbles that may explode at any time, you'd have to be a fool to think we're not on the verge of societal collapse.

Also, collapse is long process of degradation. It's not an event, although violent events can accelerate it.

>>14320188
if you actually read land you would know that the very nomadic character of capitalism is predicated on the liberal democratic nation-sate and their deliniation

>>14321246
No it wouldn't.

>>14317860
>but by my own terms
Infantile, anti-social narcissism is nothing new.
>If i can't rule the world or cope in it, i'll leave it.
Boring as hell and unoriginal, basically basic as fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck

>>14318180
kek, pol9k is now denying the existence of nukes? Its getting better and better, can't wait for the "Round earth is jewish propaganda" threads lmao

>>14319390
>>14320432
>>14320829
i too loved the idea of post-apocalypse scenarios as a teen. Then one day i understood that the reason i liked it was because it was savagely simple compared to the self-control and planning required for modern civilization. I felt embarrassed by my desire for a simple life where things could be solved with hand-held tools or weapons.

Every man-child yelling that the sky is falling is another babby praying for a simplified life, due to an inability to get complex, ie grow

Butterfly is a jannie and got caught removing posts that btfo of her
https://archive.md/e3k8A
https://archive.md/2kHaJ
>>14315854

>>14322018
Eh. You might be onto something but I doubt if it's limited to just the opposites of simple and complicated. A general dissatisfaction about today's world and the inability to stop it from going down the gutter is obviously very much alive even in the most successful people

I find the problem of peak oil to be rather convincing and worthy of attention on multiple fronts. There really isn’t any debate that oil is finite and we will run out nor are there any viable alternatives regardless of what advertising and media claim. The whole of techno-industrial civilization runs on oil. Most of the products in your house are made from oil. Modernity is basically built on oil. We hit peak oil back in the 90s-early 2000s and things have been been strange to say the least ever since. Without touching on the Economics or peak oil, which are grim to say the least, from a philosophical perspective there’s an obvious issue at hand which is the notion of techno-industrial “progress” is essentially built on the notion of boundless energy potentiality, but we know it’s not true. Oil represents infinite growth in the mind of the modern, but in practice it’s simply not infinite and it’s not renewable. What happens when oil runs out or is no longer economically viable? There might be a push to alternative forms of energy, but if you look into those they all run on oil basically so those will fade out too. That means the products go away. The factories close down. Cars stop running. Goods stop being transported. The Arab states, North America, and Western Europe will be hit the hardest. All of these things we’ve grown accustomed to simply aren’t sustainable no matter how you dress it up. So, I don’t think you need to talk of nuclear armageddon or civil wars or global natural disaster, all of which are entirely possible. We’ve created our own disaster and march right into it.

Western society will dissolve, disintegrate, not collapse. At least in our lifetimes. Maybe once climate change displaces millions of people from the equatorial regions things will flare up violently but until then the only form of 'collapse' I anticipate is the rich hunkering down into lush suburbs with private armed security hoarding the resources and pretending things are still normal while social institutions like the welfare state continue to be broken down by asset-stripping scavenger-capitalists in the name of the free market. The data on the number of deaths such sell-offs and cuts cause will be suppressed or simply not collected, as a means of continuing the narrative that all is well. It's been happening already since the 1970s and the rise of neoliberalism; all that will happen is that the circle will continue to shrink. Each of us, we're all in the 'in' group where everything is normal and you get a fair day's pay for a fair day's work and that's enough to support a stable contemporary lifestyle on... right up until we aren't.

I don't predict any revolutions or mass bloodshed in the next 20-30 years. Just a whole lot of people losing their jobs, their homes, their health, their faith and eventually their lives.

>>14322213
We have not passed peak production, we are burning more oil now than ever before. But one of these days we will have peaked and I wonder how life on the other end of the curve will be. Using less energy does not mean that life will be hell, it will be less comfy but it would solve a lot of modernity's problems.

>>14322528
I agree with you for the most part but don't you think that the revolutions are already here? Things like the rise and fall of the Islamic State or brexit.

>>14322528
>>14322581
The protests at Hong Kong, Chile, Lebanon and Bolivia are just a prelude to what's to come. The swines will get what they fucking deserve for not sharing the wealth.

>>14322543
The US effectively hit peak oil back in the 90s. We’ve just stretched it out and multiplied energy production with the use of methods like fracking and alternative energy. Frankly, it’s not even a matter of production as much as a philosophical and economical issue. Economically it’s no longer viable and this trend can only continue. Production companies have levered up balance sheets and aren’t able to turn cash flow positive. With such a capital intensive business model the company end is near considering they’re finding it increasingly difficult to get financing. Hence the philosophical question of peak oil. Economic theory and the mindset of modern man views energy exploration as infinitely exponential in terms of potentiality and it’s just not. The financial reality speaks to this. Eventually the finite input to infinite output model will collapse or simply be rejected altogether whether it’s from a purely economic/scientific view or a philosophical/moral one.

>>14322581
Brexit is not a fucking revolution lmao, whichever side of it you're on, at most it's a 'trade war' move, and a sitting MP being murdered over the side she took is evidence of the mental health system, crime prevention and social infrastructure being dissolved in the UK over the past decade, not some 'clowns rise up' bullshit

My prediction was primarily centred around the global north and in particular the west, I agree the situation in Central + South America appears much more volatile, but I don't have much experience with those areas so I'm trying not to predict what will happen in the global south or how the two hemispheres' actions will interact; which is why I mentioned the longer-term future in my first sentence

>>14322016
Have you ever questioned the nature of your reality?

>>14322668
If brexit is not a revolution how else would you like to call it? It is not a trade war. It is the first thing that is going in a completely different direction than everything we had since 1945. It is comparable to the fall of the Iron Curtain.

>>14322647
The US hit peak convention oil in the 1990's but that only matters for the US. Total world oil production hasn't peaked yet.

>>14323044
The world hit peak oil in those terms around 2005-2007.

There will be no global wars in future, and civilization will not collapse. Fucking poltards are so out of touch with the real life, if they want society to drown in blood, why don't they just kill themselves? We now live longer, better, healthier and happier than any previous generation of men, and every year millions of people are leaving the poverty trap. We will terraform Mars, we will build the Dyson sphere, we will meet the extraterrestrial species in a few centuries. Polcels, fuck off with your antihumanist agenda, we are still evolving into superior species that we are destined to become by nature. God doesn't exist btw. The Universe does, and the Multiverse too. Long live the Humankind! Read Stiven Pinker's Enlightenment Now if you want to learn more on this, that book literally cured my depression and made me believe in people again.

>>14323383
Is this a parody?

>>14323492
It's pasta used on /pol/ to trigger all the naive newcomers

>>14318435
>Examples: Boghdan Bruhamastri's Big Bowl Of Bughapalartisana
Persia is called Iran for a reason, it lost its imperial grandeur a long time ago

>>14318594
Poor soul

>>14323492
It's old pasta

Is dying of old age really that bad?

Become a soundcloud rapper. They all live that exciting life of having the possibility to die at any time do to their life affirming lifestyle

>>14317608
>institute a Plantonic city-state
Tell me more about this plantonic political philosophy. Governing according to dietary restrictions seems a little gimmicky.

>>14323665
It was called Iran-shahr during Sassanian empire.

>>14317608
No one is stopping you from living the lifestyle you want to. Even Linkola spent his whole life fishing and living in the wilderness for most of his time

>>14323665
>Persia is called Iran for a reason
Also, it's called Iran in the Western world due to Hitler's advice to Reza Shah in 1935. The country was always natively known as "Iran" since Sassanian empire though.

>>14323665
It's still called Persia though

>>14317608
i just read 'can life prevail?' linkola is based

>/pol/: "dude you should have 8 children to protect your culture"
>also /pol/: "woah you can't just have children, you are ruining the ecology!"

Modern society is unironically a lot better than the past 10,000 years for protecting Linkola's beloved forests

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2014/12/04/watch-how-europe-is-greener-now-than-100-years-ago/

>>14317888
fun to read but literally /x/-tier reductive mystical bullshit

>>14321386
>>14321798
The "available evidence" is highly speculative and based on observations beginning in the 1850's. I'm willing to accept that deforestation is causing droughts, that massive forest fires are the result of rising temperatures, that ocean acidification is killing coral reefs, that CO2 levels are higher than in the past. I'm not willing to accept that these things are correlated in the way pop-science pseuds claim they are. I think much more study is needed before any conclusions are drawn, let alone alarmist ones that very conveniently benefit the agenda of those currently in power. What's happening to the planet is a travesty but I'm not convinced it's a world ending one, at least not because of ocean garbage and jet-airliners.

>>14319390
Yes.

>>14324027
Why wouldn't reality be mystical? Gods ways are incomprehensible to humans

>>14323904
Actually, I owe tens of thousands in undefaultable high interest student loan debt with no possibility for forbearance or forgiveness so I can’t do this anywhere in the West or non 3rd world.

critiqueofcrisistheory.wordpress.com

Ongoing blog on the political theory of capitalist crises that began after 2008. He's got extended series looking at Anwar Shaikh, Andrew Kliman, Monthly Review school of monopoly capitalism, contemporary events, history of the federal reserve and American dollar hegemony, etc.

Highly recommended if you are interested in political economy and capitalist crises.

>>14324016
Green space =\= natural habitats and ecosystems

>>14324235
based

>>14324235
Yes it does

>>14322018
>the more complex the better
lol what

>>14317888
> The 23 civilizations identified by Dr. Toynbee are :
First Generation: Minoan, Shang, Sumeric, Egyptiac, Indus, Mayan, Andean (Inca), Yucatec, and Mexic
Second Generation: Hellenic, Syriac, Sinic, Indic, Hittite, Babylonic
Third Generation: Western, Russian Orthodox, Byzantine Orthodox, Chinese, Far Eastern (Japanese-Korean), Hindu
In addition, Toynbee identifies four cultures that he names “abortive civilizations”: Far Western Christian, Far Eastern Christian, Scandinavian, Syriac
What are the prime symbols of these civilizations?

>>14324045

I've heard about your kind. I've managed to escape contact for a long time, but here we are.

I think I will trust thousands of climate scientists over you, anon.

Skepticism is useful up to a point, after which it becomes madness. . .

>>14324473
Is there a more bugman take than blindly believing the “experts”?

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>>14317608
Civilization is not on the brink of collapse just because you can't get sex.

>>14323383
i know this is bait but you're dead wrong with your attempt at seeming pseudo enlightened that its excruciatingly ill informed at this point.The world will continuously become more and more a chaotic dyspotian based reality if we're not already experiencing the beginning stage of one. Just you wait for the rise of a totalitarian one world government that will begin a massive depopulation through perpetual small time wars fought over resources,land,etc, slowly the laws being changed over time to take away the rights of citizens, the replacement of said population with demographic change from third world countries where a clash of cultures will occur and bastardization to complete decadence of humanity the list goes on for which you can simply imagine.... Even with technology cannot help the inevitable destruction of mankind. Because at the end of the day humanity is the enemy of itself.

Hey kids, look at this >>14325983 imbecile. Here is what your brain will give birth to if you intoxicate it with evolian-landian bullshit, russian propaganda and doomer memes. Don't let this happen to you! Educate yourselves.

>>14326030
not gonna lie, that was a pretty gay post.

>>14326030
cope more low IQ leftist faggot.

>>14319083
Deutsche Bank got fucked since it failed to deleverage after 08 as American banks did. You might read financial news but I work in investment banking

>>14326045
>low IQ leftist faggot
Says a single digit IQ genius who believes in racial collectivism and falls for conspiracy theories and uses non-scientific "evidence" to prove himself right. If you are so concious about societal problems, why don't you share your part in trying to find any solutions? Make your own life worth living first, then speak for the whole of humanity, ok sweetie?

>>14325629
There are currently several major emerging existential risks to the species that are poorly or not at all being mitigated by any government.

Learn how to grow crops first. Communism must win.

>>14326166
Governments are always ineffective and powerless against any existential threat. But homo sapiens as a species is highly adaptable. All you have to do is to bring 2 children in this world, to leave any progeny on this planet.

>>14326274
Technology is pushing us to hard limits of our adaptability.

>>14326111
>ok sweetie
god you even write like a faggot, did i trigger your delusional snowflake coping mechanism how about you go take another estrogen pill to relax.

>>14326166
>several major emerging existential threat

Can some of you loonies point these out so maybe we can have a discussion here?

>>14326316
>major emerging existential threat
globalization and overpopulation just to name a few. Jesus are these retards even aware of anything at this point or do they all live in a delusional reality?

>>14326316
From Cambride's Centre for the Study of Existential Risk:
>The plausible global catastrophic risks include:
>tipping points in the natural order due to climate change or mass biodiversity loss,
>malicious or accidentally harmful use of artificial intelligence,
>malicious use of, or unintended consequences from, advanced biotechnologies,
>a natural or engineered global pandemic, and
>intentional, mis-calculated, accidental, or terrorist-related use of nuclear weapons

>>14322016

>>14323985
>>14317808
>>14318180
stupid fucking monkey shit brains
is all of /pol/ a single person's views?
is everyone on /lit/ a proponent of dialectical materialism?
no? maybe because 4chan is a forum where people discuss conflicting ideas

kill yourself retards

>>14323985
second quote only comes to mind if you are a nignog, which you seem to be. thats why people are telling you. first quote is for whites only, thank you

>>14326111
>Make your own life worth living first, then speak for the whole of humanity, ok sweetie?
I do not get posts like these, are you satisfied in living by groveling and sucking the dick of the nearest corporate entity to survive?

>>14326316
Nah man, all's good in our safe little bubble, wanna buy the new iphone :) ?

>>14326457
>iphone
No thanks

>>14326394
>implying all jews have a single view

>>14326480
You sure? It'll let you upload pictures of your food and places you have visited onto all social media in very high quality! Don't you want that, you dumb, smelly prole?

>>14324319
They belong in the larger civiliztation.

we can't have a discussion with (((them))) always meddling in and causing diversion posts like "oyvey goy you're such a conspiracy theorist surely you can't have that opinion where is your evidence?"

>>14326487
never said they do

>>14326512
bad bait.

>>14317888
>Aztecs
>Jungle

They came from the arid norths and settled in a swamp in a semi-arid plateau region.

>>14326497
Just get a superior Huawei and donate the price difference to a charity of your choice. It's sharing&caring in Christmas time.

>>14317608
Probably not gonna be a collapse

>>14318435
ok Arab

>>14326487
ingroup favoritism, while larping as their host nations natives to not be disadvantaged as outsiders, they themselves will only help each other to get in preferable positions of power
it is their religion, not saying all of them. but enough to hate them all, as it isnt that hidden what they are doing for their ingroup so even when not partaking in the treason their brothers are doing to the host nations, they atleast silently accept it if not even appreciate it, cuz in the end it favours their group and by that benefits them

>>14317608
The right can't dream, all it can do is summon nightmares.

>>14327958
They aren't as obsessed with idpol as /pol/

>>14328013
that's why they are unproportionate to their percentage of the population in positions of power :^)
i could post endless jewish bullshit of them defacing their own lies, but you would know, as you probably are one. so i'll save my time and just hint you to jewish newspapers, which will disproof your argument of their "non obsession" of identity politics
have a good one retard

>>14327996
seems rather fitting for the lefts utopian dreams, but whatever

>>14322016
>>14322990
Yeah think about it. Everything you believe is just filtered down through many media interfaces. You don't really know or understand how it works.

>>14326316
>>14326338
>globalization
Literally the best social invention of humanity after capitalism
>and overpopulation
The Earth can support at least ~90 billion people. Malthus has been proven wrong a long time ago. The more people live here on our planet, the faster goes the technological and social progress, the closer we are to becoming the II type civilization on a Kardashev scale.
>Jesus are these retards even aware of anything at this point or do they all live in a delusional reality?
Unlike you and others like you who live in an echo chamber, we live in an actual reality. We see different people everyday, and we understand their motives and their goals. I think you have to grow up through this stage, we all had our existential and identity crises in our early 20s. And if you're depressed, please see a psychologist. CBT is the key to happy life.

>>14324295
No it doesn't. It means lumber farms.

>>14328082
>"The Earth can support at least ~90 billion people. Malthus has been proven wrong a long time ago. The more people live here on our planet, the faster goes the technological and social progress, the closer we are to becoming the II type civilization on a Kardashev scale."

In 2017, more than a third of 50 Nobel prize-winning scientists surveyed by the Times Higher Education at the Lindau Nobel Laureate Meetings said that human overpopulation and environmental degradation are the two greatest threats facing humankind."

>>14328112
>more than a third of authority fallacy

>>14317608
why does it have to collapse exactly it can carry on in a broke state for years see Venezuela

>>14328070
I studied physics and did experiments with radioactive substances myself, I know and understand how it fucking works retard

>>14328119
"In November that same year, a statement by 15,364 scientists from 184 countries indicated that rapid human population growth is the "primary driver behind many ecological and even societal threats."

repeat after me
The Industrial Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race
The Industrial Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race
The Industrial Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race

>>14328119
>ignoring world's greatest geniuses cos muh fallacy

>>14328155
i rather listen to an argument rather than authority.
not everyone is a bootlicker as you are

>>14328144
i like uncle ted but i always cringe at muh human """race"""
it's species but whatever

>>14317808
>Let me guess, they cast a black guy into a movie and you think "muh western civilization" is collapsing.

>>14322213
>he doesn't know about biodiesel and ethanol

brainlet

>>14317808
not everyone is a braindead consumerist pig like you lefties and cares about retarded movies to build their world view around
you aint a jedi and i dont care about what harry potter anecdote you seem fitting to current political events, retard

>go full kaczynski or full ruralist
this isn't easy to accomplish. Kaczynski had money and a brother to help him. I can't even get someone to employ me for minimum wage, and jobseeker's allowance is shit in my country (5000 euro a year, barely enough to live on).
>just go live innawoods
>just watch a youtube video on building a log cabin :D
it doesn't work that way. You can't just build a cabin on public land. Specifically I'm Irish, but I'm sure this applies to most countries. There aren't vast areas of land that no one passes through. I'm homeless - I have a lot of experiences living in different environments. Even pitching a tent you get harassed and it's technically illegal on 99.9% of land (the remaining 0.1% there are VERY stringent rules - can't stay more than a day, can't use a stove, etc.). If you were to start on a cabin guaranteed patrols will tell you to fuck off within a week even if you're in a place that's seemingly remote (public forests are looked after in Ireland by coillte and yes, they patrol everywhere on this island).

The >innawoods thing is pure escapism. It's never going to shape into reality. The only people who can realistically do it are upper class inheritance people, and if you think I'm full of shit, consider the planning permission. You can't just put up a log cabin with a log stove, even if you've paid for the land. You need to pass modern planning permission standards - including adequate insulation. It's illegal to build a wooden house if you intend on living in it. It's minimum 60,000 euro to have any kind of home, and property tax every year. There isn't some secret trick no one but you is aware of - it's illegal, simple as.

Unless your goal is to fly to Alaska and be an illegal immigrant somewhere in their vast unpopulated wilderness, you will never achieve a remote lifestyle. Kaczynski and Dick Proenneke were both well off, during a time when laws weren't as stringent regarding where you have to live. There is a reason the only people who do this anymore are millionaire youtubers, who technically live "off grid", but have the fastest internet, computers, and basically live in extreme wealth.

>>14328133
I was talking about media. And no, actually you read textbooks and think your experiments fit your understanding. That doesn't mean there isn't other explanations or things left out. Probably not, for physics, but there are innumerable more important things you take for granted.

>>14328276
Pickets and wire do not make adequate fences for human cattle.

>>14328376
>Probably not, for physics
that was the whole point, duh. Nukies exist and people who don't believe this are dumb dumbs. I've never claimed more.

>>14328276
anything one could do about that?
i mean, what is the closest one could get to such a lifestyle given current limitations?

>>14317608
Calm down bro it's a process, begin planning long term to go innawoods.

>>14331430
Buy a cottage/lodge in the countryside.

>>14318843
Tainter, there's videos of him on YT
John Michael Greer etc

>>14328208
>He actually fell for these memes

>>14317608
>Plantonic city-state

>>14320188
This

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Anon I...

>>14330366
>Nukes exist
You can’t honestly believe this in the year 2019

>>14324045
I mean whether or not global warming is causing this or that forest fire is not really the point. We know that CO2 concentration in the atmosphere is heavily correlated with a rise in mean global temperature. Regardless of mass extinctions, topsoil degradation, pollution, deforestation, which I suppose if you want to play the skeptic you may say may or may not be related to climate change, I think it's pretty clear that conditions an a planet 2-3 degrees Celsius hotter than it is no are not ideal, actually represent a major threat. "World ending" may be hyperbole but I am convinced that the effects will be calamitous, and the evidence seems to back that up, and is not "highly speculative" at all. What are you even referring to, what have you actually read to lead you to this conclusion?

>>14324045
and btw "travesty" isn't a synonym of tragedy

>>14318151
Oppenheimer would be so pissed if he read this lol

>>14334074
https://youtu.be/lb13ynu3Iac

He’s just so full of shit and can’t contain himself at what he’s been able to lie about

>>14328082
>The Earth can support at least ~90 billion people.
The based levels are off the charts

how did i miss this fabulous thread?