/lit/ - Literature

>>14311779
It's not slavery. It's worse.

>>14311779
Leave your country and move to the third world
or an hero

>working

entrepreneurship
cut down your costs so you can work less
be born rich
become a single mother and get on that government tit
become an hero

>>14311779
You can only escape it with a medical diagnosis. That said, managing your welfare payments will still amount to a part-time job and they will still treat you like property.

>>14311779
>the 80 hour work week at the farm is slavery. lets get rid of it
>the 60 hour factory work week is slavery. lets get rid of it
>the 40 hour office job is slavery. lets get rid of it
>this government-mandated 0 hour work week is slavery. lets get back to work, its our right
nothing will make you happy.

>>14311790
if anything move to a second world shithole
>talking to a russian on discord
>says that rent for a two bedroom apartment is roughly 200 us dollars a month
its such a faggot move to leave your homeland though

>>14311811
true. the point is that work is what happens between point A and point B and point B is always shit under secular modern capitalism so the work to get there is going to be shit, too. no one would be complaining about work if it was to feed a big family or to build a basilica.

>>14311779

>How do I escape it

Literally be frugal and save for like, two years tops. Get a bag, fly to a destination where life is super cheap an, there you go you did it gj anon.

>B-b-but I would have to change my entire life and leave everyone I know

If that bothers you you are a slave to your comfort zone, not your boss

>>14311832
Imagine being too cowardly to live your life as you choose

>>14311859
you probably don't have to imagine it.

>>14311811
>>14311847
This, find something meaningful to work towards

>>14311779
Only in mind or after death you can escape. Or you can be homeless and free until you die. You are going to be lonely without any purpose either way. We were born into era of decadence and nihilism. There is no meaningful relationships, no ideals, no glory, no honor, no group or community, no higher reason no nothing. There is just misery and shadows until death. If you are lucky you can find a friend who understands. I dont know where to find such friend irl.

>>14311869
>find something meaningful to work towards

>>14311832
>its such a faggot move to leave your homeland though
on the upside, im american and have no sense of loyalty to my country
on the other hand, i dont think i should go shitting up another countries gene pool
its a quandary

>>14311859
i choose to have honor and not run from my problems by profiting off some other nations people.

>>14311917
>i choose to have honor and not run from my problems
what is this slave mentality
>by profiting off some other nations people.
i would be an asset to any country i moved to, not sure if you could say the same

>>14311932
you're basically a mexican

Life itself is a form of slavery

>>14311944
mexico sucks because of mexicans
america sucks because of mexicans
its not my fault i want to leave my country

>>14311945

Based and sisyphuspilled

Economic production is what created the 40 hour workweek.
We would have a much lower workweek if we got rid of central banking and allowed economic freedom.

>>14311991
that sounds awfully anti-semitic of you

>>14311811
Kinda this. Slavery implies a positive right of a body to enforce you to do a specific thing. At best, you could argue there is a negative right to compel you to do one of a number of things.

You can live the life you want to live, but like most other wageslaves, you're too much of a pussy to do it.
In order to follow your dreams, you need to first rip out the NEET rug from under your feet. You need to get rid of your comfort zone.
The world could literally be yours. Tomorrow, you could be on a plane to an exotic country. You could open up a shitty cabana bar on the beach, you could go backpacking in the jungle, you could get a harem of Thai orphan girls that follow you around like a pack, you could go on an adventure anywhere you want and do anything you want. Money is not stopping you, because if you truly wanted to survive, you would find a way.
But of course you'll never do any of this and you will die a wage slave pussy.

>>14312004
my conservative Jews have been doing their best to organize against Marxism for quite a while. They know what is wrong with Marxist philosophy and what is wrong with Christian conservatism.

>>14311832
Did he also mention that's most of his wage?

>>14312085
Go back to crying and posting pics on fb you wineaunt.

>>14312253
I see what I said struck a chord. Stay mad wageslave.

>>14311811
Medieval peasants worked 40 hours a week and had more and longer holidays than.
http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/users/rauch/worktime/hours_workweek.html

Most people can't do it. You have to be born rich or get lucky. Don't get your hopes up. Just try to have a good master and comfortable life outside of work.

>>14312243
yes but if i just bring all my money over i could live comfortably for like a year probably

>not being a kept man

Sorry buddy, you dont get it. I empathize with you, and I hope good things come to you, and I think they will. But noone could answer your question here on 4chan, and even if they did, telling whether the answer was correct would be about as hard as figuring out the answer on your own.

>>14311779
seriously
>get my job done in like 4 hours
>have to sit there for 8 somehow anyway
>all it does is make me bitter, lazy, and spiteful towards my employer
If only managers were sentient human beings who could be reasoned with. I could simply go in, get my work done, get paid, and go the fuck home to enjoy my life. But no.

All management should be rounded up and shot, from CEO to supervisor.

>>14313091
no one is two words

>>14313229
They should fire you and make the job part time with no benefits. You are essentially stealing 4 hours a day. If employer is aware of this and allow it, you will soon be out of a job anyway

> be slave
> serve in army, or throw yourself in hell for few years
> get out of it
> find job
> appriciate 80 hour week job
> be happy slave

I spend 24 hours/week on the subway comuting

>>14313682
>stealing 4 hours a day
I provide roughly $2,000 in value to my employer and get paid less than $200. One day I saved the employer $6,000 alone. Go find another boot to lick.
>aware of this
dumb nigger. My employer loves me, because when my incompetent coworkers can't get their shit done, they bring it to me and I CAN do it.

I'm efficient, you dumb nigger. And this isn't some warehouse job, it's white collar.

>>14313682
half the workforce would be laid off immediately.

>>14311779
Lol 40 hours is great though. According to my mother morons work 60 hours plus a week in exchange for doubling their income and accepting the complete loos of happiness for it.

>>14311811
Boomer tier post. It should be 30 hours. Research shows that most of the 8 hour work day is only truly productive for about 3 of those hours.

The world will still turn. The CEO will still be overpaid. Things will take just a little longer to get done, which is perfectly fine and to be welcomed given the manic pace of the modern world anyway.

https://www.businessinsider.com/8-hour-workday-may-be-5-hours-too-long-research-suggests-2017-9

Just be glad you work a 40 hr work week, OP.

The best I could get it down to was 42.5 hr. / wk. with unpaid lunches (so effectively 40 hr.) this last job hunt for some reason. Yeah it was either that or a 50 hr./wk job. I mean, fuck, I just quit a 45 hr./wk job.

>>14313682
ok boomer

>>14313682

White collar work isn't about constantly moving in a sense of production. It's about doing the job you were assigned efficiently. Unfortunately too many employers seem to be stuck in between the two mindsets (blue vs white collar) resulting in some work structures that just doesn't make sense. I could do half of my work remotely, but my boss wouldn't like the idea of that.

They could make my job part time and slash the pay, but then they wouldn't find anyone to do the job in the current market. I can go on job sites now and have three interviews set up for next week. Money is good right now if you're in the position.

>>14311832
>rent for a two bedroom apartment is roughly 200 us dollars a month

But the wages there are just as low.

Just become an entrepreneur

>>14311991
>freedom
Like the total dissolution of private property perhaps? Anarchism perhaps?

>tfw best friend became a mega wageslave straight out of University

I work less than 10 hours a week as a landlord. Saved money living with my mom for two years before I bought my first property. From there if you're smart it's a constant upward trajectory. I'm 27 and basically retired. Spend my time making video games and painting. Tommorow I might go kayaking. Thank God I didn't fall for the wagecuck meme

>>14313799
Wages don't fluctuate nearly the same amount that rent does.

If you can't plan ahead and have the willpower to subsequently follow through with a plan where you achieve the life you want, you are either stupid or lazy. Unironically get a degree that puts you on track to get the money you need to live the life you want at the hours you want, it's not completely easy or everyone would be doing it, but it's not terribly hard either.

>>14313229
The level of incompetence in management everywhere you go is insane.

>>14313725
>research shows
I don’t feel bad that you will always be poor and a loser in comparison to me. Cuck!

>>14312085
reddit

>>14313688
So? If you drive while commuting you can't also read or do studies in general.

One of the nicest things at my current job is I can listen to books and podcasts all day.

>>14314148
leave

>>14313949
That's the dream right there. I mean you have to be careful with the tennants destroying the property. But owning other people's shit is where it's at.

>>14311779
>How do I escape it?
Listen to Beethoven.

>>14311832
>its such a faggot move to leave your homeland though
how do you think America became a thing you fucking moron?

>>14314221
colonization is a lot different than immigration you pseud

>>14311784
This. Slaves are at least fed and given housing.

>>14314250
1.) prove it
and 2.) ever heard of ellis island, you brainless shit, lol?

The 40 hour work week was created by British socialists

I work 70+ hour work weeks.

question for the thread:

China's average work week is called the 9-6-9 (meaning for six days a week you work from 9am to 9pm)
why the fuck should I give a shit about any bourgeois self-pity over having to work so little and simultaenously live in a region that actually respects workers rights and such?

>>14314321
>You can't have it better because someone else has it worse
Leave, brainlet

>>14311779
Uh, go join a union. Organize your workplace. If you don't know how to organize your workplace, ask for help from a union in your field. If you don't have unions in your field, go ask for help from the IWW. Go join the IWW. The only requirement is that you're not a boss, that is, you can't hire or fire anyone.
Join the IWW, unionise your workplace. Join the One Big Union.
Organize.
Just organize.
Organize, one big union.
Join the IWW.
W O R L D
D O M I N A T I O N

>>14314321
question for you: why the fuck should i give a shit about bug people? aren't the people that matter those who you have something in common with more than some ill-defined and meaningless "shared humanity"? do you think they give a shit about us?

>>14314301
As an alternative to the 100 hour work week proposed by capitalists.

>>14314352
not at all what I said in any way- I explicitly asked "why the fuck should I give a shit." methinks a piss poor perspective is all the problems you have

>>14314359
it's not a plea for humanity or community, its just literally me telling you youre a fucking baby- if you worked no time at all you'd probably be bitching about ennui and why no one will date a useless unemployed loser.

>>14311779
>While In college, and after graduating this year, I worked ~50 hours between two jobs, 7 days a week, with only about 3 half-days to myself per week.
>Just got a new job, starting tomorrow
>Somehow wagecucked enough to feel like 40 hours 5 days a week in only one job is a legitimate upgrade and not just as soul crushing
Gonna look on the bright side for now, but I wonder how long that'll last.

>>14312085
u need money to do all that

>>14312085
what do you do yourself?

>>14314372
As an alternative to the 130 hour work week proposed by hunters and gatherers.

t.35 hours

>>14314148
show tits

>>14314496
Hunter gatherers had a 14 hour work week

>>14314851
Sounds comfy

>>14314851
Rocks have never worked a day in their life, and know no suffering.

>>14313949
you mean your parents are rich lmao

Stop being a fag and learn a fucking trade. Nothing on the internet can come close to the feeling of building something with your hands. It is something uniquely human, this feeling. To toil, ache, and struggle on a project, but to be the master of it and the architect of its completion.

Quit your desk job. Every year, less and less young, American men venture into trade apprenticeships. The opportunity is here. If you want to do something fulfilling, intellectually demanding, and lucrative, become a carpenter, or a plumber.

>>14314902
>learn a trade

this what idiots who can't it in comp sci or engineering.

>>14314902
Programming, brainlet.

>>14311832
>discord

>>14314913
Chances are that you are neither of those things. Rest assured, if I wanted to study engineering I would have. I’ll stick to what I do now. Deskfags like you could never understand.

>>14314851
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>14311779
Destroy capitalism

>>14311945
Oh shut up, life denier.

>>14314148
Fucking liberal. Don’t use my name.

>>14314941
And for you

>>14314902
This is a bubble waiting to happen. Just like >>14314919

>>14313949
>Bought a property you can rent out and after 2 years of work

Huh? How much did dad give you?

>>14315013
Then what should we get into instead of trades or programming?

>>14314941
>Using data gathered from various foraging societies and quantitative surveys done among the Arhem Landers of Australia and quantitative materials cataloged by Richard Lee on the Dobe Bushmen of the Kalahari, Sahlins argues that hunter-gatherer tribes are able to meet their needs through working roughly 15-20 hours per week or less.

Agriculture was a mistake anon.

>>14315013
So long as you want fresh water and an adequate way to dispose of your shit and piss, people like me will have a job.

We are lifetimes away from a robot being able to troubleshoot a complex mechanical piping system, such as the ones I design, install, and service.

No robot today, or likely 50-100 years from now will he able to walk into a basement and troubleshoot a 50+ year old gravity fed hyrdronic heating system.

Hang drywall? Yes. Do what I do? Never.

>>14315044
How the fuck should I know? Making money is like real estate. Location, location, location. If you are a pajeet you can afford to shit out code for cents on the dollar. If you live anywhere decent, it's a dead end. Unless you have an autistic love and ability for it.

>>14315068
Do you understand what a bubble is, you fucking retard? I was not talking about automation. That's not going to happen anytime soon.

>>14314357
Unions sound like a great idea until they don't
>get your wages garnished by a third party who claims "they're on your side"
>new workers will never get benefits provided to older workers due to rewritten contracts, literally a Ponzi scheme
>shit co-workers will almost never get fired
>"bumping" rights can cause you to lose your job

>>14313844
>Like the total dissolution of private property perhaps?
Why the fuck would we want that?
You can protect private property rights easily on a free market and this was done historically.
COPE

>>14311790
>and move to the third world
To work 40 hours to earn even less? What kind of advice is that?

I just want to lie in bed reading all day long bros. ;_;

How do we achieve this heavenly dream?

>>14311832
>says that rent for a two bedroom apartment is roughly 200 us dollars a month
That's 1/3 of the average salary in my country. That logic is retarded.

>>14311779
Walter Block does a horrible job of justifying that slavery, but that's no surprise given that he's a Jew.

>>14315099
My job was recession proof and will continue as such. Good day to you sir!!!

https://delicioustacos.com/2018/10/10/this-is-what-i-believe/

>>14315120
Have you looked into being a security guard? Not a bed, but they basically get paid to read. When I was a security guard, I went through 4-5 books a week.

>>14315018
He went to the Sheriff's sale and threw some old lady out of the home she'd lived in for fifty years. Thank God for property taxes.

>>14315005
keep going with the recs

>>14312284
yeah but 40 hours of brutal manual labour is not the same thing as 40 hours at a starbucks

fellas, why dont u just turn into entrepreneurs?

>>14315191
It wouldn't be as you describe but it's true it's harder work. Which means you actually get proper exercise and feel satisfied in your work.

>>14314261
If you're working 40 hours a week and are homeless and starving you're doing something wrong with your money.

>>14311799
>t. never had his own business

Business owners are all dogs that work 70+ hours a week night and day and all weekend.

>>14311811
Usually work on a farm means you are providing for yourself and others. You directly benefit form your labour and don't have to earn money to buy things.

Factory work, in it's time, actually provided a good wage and you could buy a house, have children, and do normal things doing the male equivalent of being a waitress.

The 40 hour/week office job sits you down in front of a computer all day long. You don't make enough money to buy a house, to have a family, or go on vacation. You work to pay rent and buy food and maybe a few trinkets to play with in your time off. You work 8 hours, sleep 8 hours, the remainder is spent commuting, doing chores, etc...You're lucky to get 4 hours of time to yourself in a day.

>>14314902
tradies work 60 hours a week though. And it's not all carving wood and thatching roofs...some of the most prolific trades are just installing ductwork or something boring af like that.

>>14315191
Here's another way to criticize the initial point then: nobody asked to go from 40 hours on the farm to 60 hours in the factory: they were forced off of their farms. Look at enclosure in England for example. People were legally forced into being proles.

>>14315190

>>14314893
>>14315018
Pathetic cope. I made 50k a year and saved 35k a year from that living with my mom, eating the food she made or I cooked, never going out, not having expensive hobbies. If you aren't a complete retard(you are) 70k is more than enough to jumpstart a real estate money maker. But go ahead and keep making excuses dumb fucking wagecucks. Keep renting your city center studio, going to private school with loans, eating chick fil a, and buying drinks in the hope that the thot you spotted touches your dick at the end of the night. Bitter resentful losers who's parents hate them

>>14315241
the idea is that if your business doesnt fail within the first couple years, youll eventually be able to not work 70+ hours unless you plan on expanding or something.
then you just hire someone/some people to do the job you used to do and collect checks.
or sell it off to some larger corp and then bang instagram escorts on your yacht

24 hr week here, well above min wage
I don't have a lot of expenses so it's enough for me. Dunno how the full timers do it, I would not survive personally. And even with those 3 days I always feel like I wanna do more with my life. It's a good enough job but not that fulfilling in the long run. I need to come up with a new plan and I am afraid I won't be able to think of anything better

>>14314913
I would rather be a schizo homeless man that reeks of piss than study cs or spend my time programming

>>14311832
I know people living in east german metropol regions that pay about the same amount. While living near the city centre.
You do not need the third world.

Kill jews

Thank god I don't have a job anymore, I'm also a fellow third worlder, it was hell to work here.

>>14317981
how do you pay bills

>>14318082
My father does, I'm a student.

>>14311894
This guy gets it

>>14313949

This. You just need to drastically cut costs. Regardless of your income level, if you save 65% of your take-home pay, you can retire in 10 years if you assume a 7% ROI on investments and 3% inflation rate.

You need to stop seeing money as something you spend, and start seeing it as something that can be used to attain freedom. The vast majority of the population will spend most of their lives as miserable wage slaves because they fail to see view money this way, and instead waste their earnings on frivolous short-term pleasures and status symbols.

>>14315241
>You're lucky to get 4 hours of time to yourself in a day.

To do what? I waste so much of my free time, and it’s not because I’m stressed or whatever. Look at us, we’re on 4chan for Christ’s sake.

>>14318341
Hopefully something worthwhile, but yeah generally people end up to drained to do anything meaningful with that little shred of free time

>>14318315
Top post.

>>14314902
Bruh. I'm in a union. Only a small percentage of guys are even given a chance at apprenticeship, an even smaller amount become journey men. Every one in the trades is miserable and works 60 hours a week, we make decent money, but if there's work it's likely a tech town, and say goodbye to 1.5k to 3k a month for rent.

>>14318315
>Just save 650 dollars for every 1000 you take in!!! It's that easy!! Bruh you'd have to live on the fucking Street for 10 years while holding a job. Only feasible way is too mooch off parents.

>>14318195
>>14311884

anti-tech.boards.net

>>14312085
>Based pedo

>>14313091
I think OP knows the answer though. I know the answer, I just don't follow through with it.

>>14313775
Fuck. Kill me. I can’t even get my foot in the door for an interview. Breaking the “lack of experience” cycle is damn near impossible.

>>14313949
Fuck off and die, scum

I just quit my 40 hour a week call center job. Couldn't manage more than two and a half months. A truly hellish experience.

>>14314902
>hurr durr, feel the sand fall through your fingertips, get yer hands in there!

no. no, no, fucking no. I 100% guarantee this idiot has never worked a full fucking year or more of manual labor. nothing is worse than working 50+ hour weeks of backbreaking labor, causing you soreness all over (which of course you are never compensated for), while knowing millions of people out there work the same amount of hours as you earning triple the income by using their BRAINS

enough of this glorifying manual labor shit, I guarantee you’re the same type of faggot who reads Jordan Peterson books

Neoliberal policy only seeks to make it worse, too. Welcome to hell, fellas.

>>14311779
I work a normie job solely to fund both my expanding library and prepping for the great Minecraft. Work is also a good way to keep in the loop on what normies are doing. Either way, my savings are at a point now that in a decade I will have enough together to live off grid and play Minecraft.

>>14314321

>You can't complain because someone else has it worse

>>14318704
Seething, lazy, resentful poorfag who expects the world to be handed to him. Rent is due this week, get back to work anon

>>14311779
you can spiritually excape it forever
https://youtu.be/kYmLzXHP2Ak

>>14314913
>comp sci
>engineering
>intelligence

Today i will remind them
>happiness coincidentally drops when the average person starts waging and rises when retirement hits