/lit/ - Literature

>>14306790
Atheist buddhists are possibly the biggest brainlets on the entire planet.

>>14306790
>believing in the x ethnicity does y meme
go back to /int/

>>14306811
>Believing in the cosmopolitanism meme
Go back to twitter.

guenon posting is even lamer than frog posters

>>14306811
Anglos are not an ethnicity; at best they are a parasite, but more accurately a plague.

>>14306815
An Anglo born in China and raised Chinese will be culturally Chinese.

>>14307002
And then he's not an Anglo, what's your point?

>>14307034
I'm talking about ethnicity. 4chan seems to believe in the one drop rule that if you have a jewish great grandmother you are jewish no matter what

>>14306800
seething

>>14307087
>4chan seems to believe
>4chan holding any kind of coherent thought
you have to go back

>>14307099
I'm being completely sincere.

I can't fathom how you can accept Buddhist philosophy that all attachment is suffering and to escape suffering you must cease attachment to all things (even the "self") and then not just kill yourself. Like it makes sense with traditional Asian Buddhists since they believe in reincarnation and the supernatural so suicide wouldn't end anything, they'd just come back to an even shittier life.

But western atheist Buddhists though? What is it you're living for?

god that nigger looks ugly. stop posting him

>>14306790
ah, there he is again,

>guenonfag saying buddhists are aggressive

guenonfag is the cattiest most venomous psychopath on this board. a sample guenonfag post while "debating" buddhists:
>It's been 24 hours and none of you ming-mongs have replied to this. All the more embarrassing considering YoU CaN't HaVe Up WiThOuT dOwN mY dUdEz loooooollzzlz lmafaooo :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD!1!111! was intended to be the epic GOTCHA retort. Writhing animals.
>>/lit/thread/S14177852#p14185535

>>14307279
To think that giving up absolutely everything in order to cease suffering implies suicide is top brainletism regardless of reality of reincarnation. Why would you kill yourself if you're free of suffering?

>>14307360
Because becoming free of suffering through Buddhist philosophy requires decades of intense discipline and reflection, even then only rare and chosen few will actually make it.

You can become free of suffering through suicide in under a second if you own a gun. If you want to remove yourself from all attachment why wouldn't you kill yourself? Either you're afraid of death or your love for pleasures in this life. If either are the case you were never cut from the right stuff for enlightenment anyway.

the consistent perfidiousness of /lit/ Advaitins was a mystery to me until it dawned on me that most of them are Shitskins

>>14307426
>I have compassion for all beings and desire their liberation but I also resort to /pol/-tier racism when angry lmao

>>14307426
Don't forget that they love the caste system despite being street shitters

>>14307384
>Because becoming free of suffering through Buddhist philosophy requires decades of intense discipline and reflection, even then only rare and chosen few will actually make it.
Nice meme. Liberating worth of dhamma is discernible here and now and Sotapanna is achievable in a few years.
>You can become free of suffering through suicide in under a second if you own a gun.
No. Freedom from suffering after death is an unknowable.

Sotapanna has no doubt in Liberation even though he isn't required to see reincarnation for himself (read Nanavira for further explanation), not to mention one can never be sure about it until one actually die.

>>14307542
>seething pajeetling

>>14307542
>/pol/-tier racism

>>14307643
>trump-posting in 2020 - 23/365
>not reddit
lol

>>14307805
OUT

>>14306800
this

>>14307600
I do not believe at all that just after a few years you could be free of suffering. I've met many Buddhists some of which have been so for life and none of them seemed anywhere close to being without suffering.

>No. Freedom from suffering after death is an unknowable.
It sounds like you're already on the road to no longer being atheist.

>>14307830
I know /r/the_donald told you this is a Trump-supporting website but it's really not.

Yang supporters only.

>>14308515
The alleged achievements of the 'stream-entrants' and other intermediary stages to enlightenment in Buddhism are the ancient equivalent of loot-boxes in video games, they are just tricks to lure people in deeper by promising them insteasingly bigger dopamine fixes

>>14307002
Chinese are the Anglos of the Asia so this is redundant.

>>14306800
based

>>14308515
>I've met many Buddhists some of which have been so for life and none of them seemed anywhere close to being without suffering.
If they chase refined selves, higher states of existence without recognizing reality here and now has everything you need, they have no hope. Mindlessly larping bronze age understanding of the world and viewing everything as a battle between modern and traditional won't help you either.
>It sounds like you're already on the road to no longer being atheist.
No, I recognize the existence of consciousnes and don't assume self the way atheists do.

>>14307087
Depends, is it directly matrilineal? If so your great great great great grandmother could be Jewish and you’re a full Jew.

>>14308515
You miss the whole point, liberation is not removing suffering from your life, but the knowledge that suffering isn't inherently bad. The bodhisattva is one who returns from nirvana to help the rest of the world be liberated, and it is considered the highest form a Buddhist can take.

The religion is really just a mental trick to make you not depressed and able to cope with life, it's still an opiate of the masses religion and in being so is out dated, but at least try to understand the thing you are attacking

>>14308526
You clearly do not understand symbolism, cry more commie

>>14309838
Freedom from suffering is the goal, it's just not the method. The strategy of Buddhism is removing attachment from your life as attachment is the root of suffering. In this way Buddhists say it is possible for one to be free of suffering, and I would actually agree with them, such a thing is possible through much discipline and reflection.

>but the knowledge that suffering isn't inherently bad.
You're making an equivalence here. You're equating suffering with pain like an Anglo. Suffering is a phenomenon of perception, what is suffering for one is not suffering for another. Pain is pain for everybody, but for the Buddha he can feel pain and not suffer.

>>14309857
The end goal of buddhism for anyone who pursues it as a religious practice is to realize that you can't pursue it. Freeing yourself from detachments is attempting to not desire. But you quickly find that desiring to not desire is still desire, and so on in a loop. The carrot and stick of liberation is literally an impossible goal to keep farmers from revolting because they think they might go to Nirvana in the next life. Liberation is realizing this game that is buddhism, religion, and spirituality itself.

I believe you are looking too much into the religious side of buddhism, anyone who becomes a Buddhist monk thinking it will take them to nirvana never really got the point. This comes from looking at buddha mainly and ignoring much of what comes after, with a little bit of zen sprinkled it.

>You're equating suffering with pain like an Anglo
Nice strawman

>Guénon's initial evaluation of Buddhism was plagued by an astonishing lack of understanding. This evaluation was suppressed in the English edition of Orient et Occident(Paris, 1924); Guénon later modified it in part, by making some concessions to a "Brahmanic" version of Buddhism, which is truly a Buddhism evirated of the specific and valid elements it possessed at its inception. These specific elements concerned an autonomous way of realization. In this realization, the action of a qualified individual who strives to attain the Unconditioned, even by means of violent efforts is the necessary counterpart of the descent of a force from above, which does not need "initiatory bureaucracies." What Guénon had to say in an unfortunate essay concerning "The Need for a Traditional Exotericism," must also be rejected, since it offers dangerous incentives and alibis to a reactionary and petty-bourgeois conformism. The pedantic representatives of Guénonian scholasticism should rather strive to reach a deeper understanding of the true meaning of the Way of the Left Hand, which is not any less traditional than the Way of Right Hand, and which has the advantage of emphasizing the transcendent dimension proper of every truly initiatory realization and aspiration.

>>14309937
>Evola

>>14310378
Coomaraswamy agreed with him about it, that's why Guenon did a U turn on Buddhism.

>>14310430
>Coomaraswamy

>>14307631
triggered eh?

>>14310430
>Coomaraswamy agreed with him about it,
Only insofar as Coomaraswamy thought that Buddhism wasn't garbage as Guenon initially did. Coomaraswamy's views were that Buddhism originally was just the same doctrine as Advaita but couched through a different terminology, which is what Guenon seems to have entertained later in life and which Evola disagreed with, Coomaraswamy's views on Buddhism were much closer to Guenon than Evola

So did guenon come to the conclusion that Buddhism was corrupted and was originally supposed to be a continuation of the Upanishads?

test

>>14310985
>>14311026
>>14311154
okay guénonposter